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| | | Author: | cosmicray  | | Posted: | May 15, 2024 08:18 | | Subject: | Where is the scale for box condition ? | | Viewed: | 117 times | | Topic: | Selling | |
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| I'm seeing a large variety of sellers, grading box conditions with numerical
numbers.
Is there a place where the list of what those numbers mean is defined ?
When I see 9.3/10, or 7/10, without a defined grade list, they are (essentially)
meaningless (or something the seller made up out of thin air).
Nita Rae
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| | | | | Author: | yorbrick | | Posted: | May 15, 2024 08:47 | | Subject: | Re: Where is the scale for box condition ? | | Viewed: | 40 times | | Topic: | Selling | |
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| In Selling, cosmicray writes:
| | I'm seeing a large variety of sellers, grading box conditions with numerical
numbers.
Is there a place where the list of what those numbers mean is defined ?
When I see 9.3/10, or 7/10, without a defined grade list, they are (essentially)
meaningless (or something the seller made up out of thin air).
Nita Rae
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They are meaningless.
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| | | | | | | Author: | SylvainLS | | Posted: | May 15, 2024 09:05 | | Subject: | Re: Where is the scale for box condition ? | | Viewed: | 36 times | | Topic: | Selling | |
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| In Selling, yorbrick writes:
| | In Selling, cosmicray writes:
| | I'm seeing a large variety of sellers, grading box conditions with numerical
numbers.
Is there a place where the list of what those numbers mean is defined ?
When I see 9.3/10, or 7/10, without a defined grade list, they are (essentially)
meaningless (or something the seller made up out of thin air).
Nita Rae
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They are meaningless.
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But how meaningless are they? 9.3/10 meaningless? 7/10 meaningless?
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | 1001bricks | | Posted: | May 15, 2024 09:19 | | Subject: | Re: Where is the scale for box condition ? | | Viewed: | 41 times | | Topic: | Selling | |
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| In Selling, SylvainLS writes:
| | In Selling, yorbrick writes:
| | In Selling, cosmicray writes:
| | I'm seeing a large variety of sellers, grading box conditions with numerical
numbers.
Is there a place where the list of what those numbers mean is defined ?
When I see 9.3/10, or 7/10, without a defined grade list, they are (essentially)
meaningless (or something the seller made up out of thin air).
Nita Rae
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They are meaningless.
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But how meaningless are they? 9.3/10 meaningless? 7/10 meaningless?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjvQFtlNQ-M
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | yorbrick | | Posted: | May 15, 2024 11:19 | | Subject: | Re: Where is the scale for box condition ? | | Viewed: | 32 times | | Topic: | Selling | |
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| In Selling, SylvainLS writes:
| | In Selling, yorbrick writes:
| | In Selling, cosmicray writes:
| | I'm seeing a large variety of sellers, grading box conditions with numerical
numbers.
Is there a place where the list of what those numbers mean is defined ?
When I see 9.3/10, or 7/10, without a defined grade list, they are (essentially)
meaningless (or something the seller made up out of thin air).
Nita Rae
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They are meaningless.
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But how meaningless are they? 9.3/10 meaningless? 7/10 meaningless?
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About 9.7 / 5 stars and a thumbs up.
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Nubs_Select | | Posted: | May 15, 2024 11:49 | | Subject: | Re: Where is the scale for box condition ? | | Viewed: | 29 times | | Topic: | Selling | |
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| In Selling, yorbrick writes:
| | In Selling, SylvainLS writes:
| | In Selling, yorbrick writes:
| | In Selling, cosmicray writes:
| | I'm seeing a large variety of sellers, grading box conditions with numerical
numbers.
Is there a place where the list of what those numbers mean is defined ?
When I see 9.3/10, or 7/10, without a defined grade list, they are (essentially)
meaningless (or something the seller made up out of thin air).
Nita Rae
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They are meaningless.
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But how meaningless are they? 9.3/10 meaningless? 7/10 meaningless?
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About 9.7 / 5 stars and a thumbs up.
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| | | | | Author: | jennnifer | | Posted: | May 15, 2024 10:12 | | Subject: | Re: Where is the scale for box condition ? | | Viewed: | 48 times | | Topic: | Selling | |
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| In Selling, cosmicray writes:
| | I'm seeing a large variety of sellers, grading box conditions with numerical
numbers.
Is there a place where the list of what those numbers mean is defined ?
When I see 9.3/10, or 7/10, without a defined grade list, they are (essentially)
meaningless (or something the seller made up out of thin air).
Nita Rae
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As far as I know, it's a commonly used tool for grading collectables and
playing cards. It's rather arbitrary but at least the seller made an effort
to indicate condition.
~Jen
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| | | | | Author: | infinibrix | | Posted: | May 15, 2024 10:54 | | Subject: | Re: Where is the scale for box condition ? | | Viewed: | 40 times | | Topic: | Selling | |
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| In Selling, cosmicray writes:
| | I'm seeing a large variety of sellers, grading box conditions with numerical
numbers.
Is there a place where the list of what those numbers mean is defined ?
When I see 9.3/10, or 7/10, without a defined grade list, they are (essentially)
meaningless (or something the seller made up out of thin air).
Nita Rae
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To be honest I’m not even sure we should entertain/encourage pristine box condition
expectations from buyers since even if a box looks perfect, almost every box
will still always have some kind of minor corner wear/edge wear or be subject
to that wear during transit and so for a buyer to expect their boxes to be absolute
immaculately pristine is unrealistic and an unfair burden on sellers!
Therefore with that in mind Bricklink could help sellers with perhaps a clearer
more simple grading system that actually lowers buyers expectations so that they
cannot ever really expect an absolute pristine box and you do that by having
a grading system where there is no such option for listing an Immaculate Pristine
box. The Seller could still add this wording to their notes (At their own risk!)
but the official grading would read more like this with buyers only able to count
themselves lucky if they get something better than these descriptions....
Perfect/Near Perfect – Box in overall perfect condition but upon closer examination
minor imperfections, minor creases and light edge wear are always a possibility
Okay – Box good acceptable condition but may show more obvious signs of wear
such as small indented scrapes and creases, Minor corner dents, slight warping,
General shelf wear or blemishes
Poor – Box condition significantly damaged and may have dents, crushing, large
scrapes, Torn artwork and overall significant wear!
Obviously people will always still interpretate condition slightly differently
but I feel overall this would be a lots less subjective than a 1-10 grading system
and sellers will have a much better understanding of the most appropriate option
to choose for their sets condition
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| | | | | | | Author: | cosmicray | | Posted: | May 15, 2024 13:44 | | Subject: | Re: Where is the scale for box condition ? | | Viewed: | 30 times | | Topic: | Selling | |
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| In Selling, infinibrix writes:
| | Obviously people will always still interpretate condition slightly differently
but I feel overall this would be a lots less subjective than a 1-10 grading system
and sellers will have a much better understanding of the most appropriate option
to choose for their sets condition
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I have never specified a box as MISB, not ever. Recently a buyer tried to tell
me that "Factory sealed in original box" meant I was claiming it was
MISB. 🤦♀️
When buyers begin to assign meanings that were never stated/intended, that's
when it is time to look out for the falling sandbag from above.
Nita Rae
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | Dhobeck | | Posted: | May 15, 2024 13:52 | | Subject: | Re: Where is the scale for box condition ? | | Viewed: | 20 times | | Topic: | Selling | |
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| In Selling, cosmicray writes:
| | In Selling, infinibrix writes:
| | Obviously people will always still interpretate condition slightly differently
but I feel overall this would be a lots less subjective than a 1-10 grading system
and sellers will have a much better understanding of the most appropriate option
to choose for their sets condition
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I have never specified a box as MISB, not ever. Recently a buyer tried to tell
me that "Factory sealed in original box" meant I was claiming it was
MISB. 🤦♀️
When buyers begin to assign meanings that were never stated/intended, that's
when it is time to look out for the falling sandbag from above.
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Yes a sand bag would be very bad especially if it was open. It would get everywhere
and you would have to wash all of your stock. Very bad indeed
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | SylvainLS | | Posted: | May 15, 2024 14:20 | | Subject: | Re: Where is the scale for box condition ? | | Viewed: | 28 times | | Topic: | Selling | |
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| In Selling, cosmicray writes:
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I have never specified a box as MISB, not ever. Recently a buyer tried to tell
me that "Factory sealed in original box" meant I was claiming it was
MISB. 🤦♀️
When buyers begin to assign meanings that were never stated/intended, that's
when it is time to look out for the falling sandbag from above.
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Well, etymologically, it’s what mint means: the coin is as it came out of the
mint, and the mint is the factor” for coins, so “factory sealed” = as it came
out of the factory = mint.
See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coin_grading (scroll down a bit to see the
table; can also serve as an example of how stupid grading terms are, and, well,
as is grading itself)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | 1001bricks | | Posted: | May 15, 2024 14:52 | | Subject: | Re: Where is the scale for box condition ? | | Viewed: | 23 times | | Topic: | Selling | |
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| In Selling, SylvainLS writes:
| | In Selling, cosmicray writes:
| | […]
I have never specified a box as MISB, not ever. Recently a buyer tried to tell
me that "Factory sealed in original box" meant I was claiming it was
MISB. 🤦♀️
When buyers begin to assign meanings that were never stated/intended, that's
when it is time to look out for the falling sandbag from above.
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Well, etymologically, it’s what mint means: the coin is as it came out of the
mint, and the mint is the factor” for coins, so “factory sealed” = as it came
out of the factory = mint.
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Gee - I thought it came from the Hollywood gums!
I must admin all this time I had a doubt about chewing coins...
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | SylvainLS | | Posted: | May 15, 2024 15:00 | | Subject: | Re: Where is the scale for box condition ? | | Viewed: | 22 times | | Topic: | Selling | |
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| In Selling, 1001bricks writes:
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| | Well, etymologically, it’s what mint means: the coin is as it came out of the
mint, and the mint is the factor” for coins, so “factory sealed” = as it came
out of the factory = mint.
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Gee - I thought it came from the Hollywood gums!
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You know Hollywood Chewing Gum is a French brand that only French know
about, right?
| | I must admin all this time I had a doubt about chewing coins...
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Hmm, chocolate coins….
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | 1001bricks | | Posted: | May 15, 2024 15:28 | | Subject: | Re: Where is the scale for box condition ? | | Viewed: | 24 times | | Topic: | Selling | |
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| In Selling, SylvainLS writes:
| | In Selling, 1001bricks writes:
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| | Well, etymologically, it’s what mint means: the coin is as it came out of the
mint, and the mint is the factor” for coins, so “factory sealed” = as it came
out of the factory = mint.
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Gee - I thought it came from the Hollywood gums!
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You know Hollywood Chewing Gum is a French brand that only French know
about, right?
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No! Word's so less complicated with Keto and CBD gummies!!!
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Saitobricks.ca | | Posted: | May 15, 2024 21:30 | | Subject: | Re: Where is the scale for box condition ? | | Viewed: | 28 times | | Topic: | Selling | |
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| In Selling, Nubs_Select writes:
Yum, loonies are the best😋
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | yorbrick | | Posted: | May 15, 2024 14:32 | | Subject: | Re: Where is the scale for box condition ? | | Viewed: | 27 times | | Topic: | Selling | |
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| In Selling, cosmicray writes:
| | In Selling, infinibrix writes:
| | Obviously people will always still interpretate condition slightly differently
but I feel overall this would be a lots less subjective than a 1-10 grading system
and sellers will have a much better understanding of the most appropriate option
to choose for their sets condition
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I have never specified a box as MISB, not ever. Recently a buyer tried to tell
me that "Factory sealed in original box" meant I was claiming it was
MISB. 🤦♀️
When buyers begin to assign meanings that were never stated/intended, that's
when it is time to look out for the falling sandbag from above.
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I tend not to describe the box at all. That is what the (new, sealed) condition
is for. Unless there is any damage, then I'd note it.
I never really know what people mean by MISB. Do they mean the parts are mint
inside the box, or that the box is mint, or that the box is in a sealed shipping
box?
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Dhobeck | | Posted: | May 15, 2024 14:39 | | Subject: | Re: Where is the scale for box condition ? | | Viewed: | 27 times | | Topic: | Selling | |
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| In Selling, yorbrick writes:
| | In Selling, cosmicray writes:
| | In Selling, infinibrix writes:
| | Obviously people will always still interpretate condition slightly differently
but I feel overall this would be a lots less subjective than a 1-10 grading system
and sellers will have a much better understanding of the most appropriate option
to choose for their sets condition
|
I have never specified a box as MISB, not ever. Recently a buyer tried to tell
me that "Factory sealed in original box" meant I was claiming it was
MISB. 🤦♀️
When buyers begin to assign meanings that were never stated/intended, that's
when it is time to look out for the falling sandbag from above.
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I tend not to describe the box at all. That is what the (new, sealed) condition
is for. Unless there is any damage, then I'd note it.
I never really know what people mean by MISB. Do they mean the parts are mint
inside the box, or that the box is mint, or that the box is in a sealed shipping
box?
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It means mint in sealed box. I think
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | SylvainLS | | Posted: | May 15, 2024 14:49 | | Subject: | Re: Where is the scale for box condition ? | | Viewed: | 29 times | | Topic: | Selling | |
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| In Selling, Dhobeck writes:
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It means mint in sealed box. I think
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Yes, but Yorbrick is asking whether it’s:
— the parts that are mint in their set box that’s sealed,
— or the set (= the box and its contents) that’s is mint in a sealed factory
box.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | cosmicray | | Posted: | May 15, 2024 15:41 | | Subject: | Re: Where is the scale for box condition ? | | Viewed: | 24 times | | Topic: | Selling | |
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| In Selling, Dhobeck writes:
| | In Selling, yorbrick writes:
| | In Selling, cosmicray writes:
| | In Selling, infinibrix writes:
| | Obviously people will always still interpretate condition slightly differently
but I feel overall this would be a lots less subjective than a 1-10 grading system
and sellers will have a much better understanding of the most appropriate option
to choose for their sets condition
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I have never specified a box as MISB, not ever. Recently a buyer tried to tell
me that "Factory sealed in original box" meant I was claiming it was
MISB. 🤦♀️
When buyers begin to assign meanings that were never stated/intended, that's
when it is time to look out for the falling sandbag from above.
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I tend not to describe the box at all. That is what the (new, sealed) condition
is for. Unless there is any damage, then I'd note it.
I never really know what people mean by MISB. Do they mean the parts are mint
inside the box, or that the box is mint, or that the box is in a sealed shipping
box?
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It means mint in sealed box. I think
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Mint is a plant that grows in my garden, it's nothing to do with box conditions.
Nita Rae
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | infinibrix | | Posted: | May 16, 2024 07:01 | | Subject: | Re: Where is the scale for box condition ? | | Viewed: | 31 times | | Topic: | Selling | |
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| In Selling, cosmicray writes:
| | In Selling, Dhobeck writes:
| | In Selling, yorbrick writes:
| | In Selling, cosmicray writes:
| | In Selling, infinibrix writes:
| | Obviously people will always still interpretate condition slightly differently
but I feel overall this would be a lots less subjective than a 1-10 grading system
and sellers will have a much better understanding of the most appropriate option
to choose for their sets condition
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I have never specified a box as MISB, not ever. Recently a buyer tried to tell
me that "Factory sealed in original box" meant I was claiming it was
MISB. 🤦♀️
When buyers begin to assign meanings that were never stated/intended, that's
when it is time to look out for the falling sandbag from above.
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I tend not to describe the box at all. That is what the (new, sealed) condition
is for. Unless there is any damage, then I'd note it.
I never really know what people mean by MISB. Do they mean the parts are mint
inside the box, or that the box is mint, or that the box is in a sealed shipping
box?
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It means mint in sealed box. I think
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Mint is a plant that grows in my garden, it's nothing to do with box conditions.
Nita Rae
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Yes but it actually refers to Mint of the Sweet/Candy variety but why so many
sellers go to the trouble of opening their sealed sets just to put a complimentary
mint in the box only to re-seal it again I have no idea?
But then I guess if Mint in Sealed Box helps it sell then its worth a try
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Dhobeck | | Posted: | May 20, 2024 15:26 | | Subject: | Re: Where is the scale for box condition ? | | Viewed: | 24 times | | Topic: | Selling | |
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| In Selling, cosmicray writes:
| | In Selling, Dhobeck writes:
| | In Selling, yorbrick writes:
| | In Selling, cosmicray writes:
| | In Selling, infinibrix writes:
| | Obviously people will always still interpretate condition slightly differently
but I feel overall this would be a lots less subjective than a 1-10 grading system
and sellers will have a much better understanding of the most appropriate option
to choose for their sets condition
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I have never specified a box as MISB, not ever. Recently a buyer tried to tell
me that "Factory sealed in original box" meant I was claiming it was
MISB. 🤦♀️
When buyers begin to assign meanings that were never stated/intended, that's
when it is time to look out for the falling sandbag from above.
|
I tend not to describe the box at all. That is what the (new, sealed) condition
is for. Unless there is any damage, then I'd note it.
I never really know what people mean by MISB. Do they mean the parts are mint
inside the box, or that the box is mint, or that the box is in a sealed shipping
box?
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It means mint in sealed box. I think
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Mint is a plant that grows in my garden, it's nothing to do with box conditions.
Nita Rae
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I see
I feel like New Unopened Box would work as a replacement.
Wait is Nubs_Select a person who SELECTS NEW UNOPENED BOXES?
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Nubs_Select | | Posted: | May 20, 2024 15:31 | | Subject: | Re: Where is the scale for box condition ? | | Viewed: | 21 times | | Topic: | Selling | |
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| | | I see
I feel like New Unopened Box would work as a replacement.
Wait is Nubs_Select a person who SELECTS NEW UNOPENED BOXES?
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mwhahahahahahhahahahhahahahahhahahahhahhhahaahaha
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | SylvainLS | | Posted: | May 20, 2024 15:48 | | Subject: | Re: Where is the scale for box condition ? | | Viewed: | 16 times | | Topic: | Selling | |
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| In Selling, Nubs_Select writes:
| | | | I see
I feel like New Unopened Box would work as a replacement.
Wait is Nubs_Select a person who SELECTS NEW UNOPENED BOXES?
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mwhahahahahahhahahahhahahahahhahahahhahhhahaahaha
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I think the U in Nubs is for Unhinged….
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | 1001bricks | | Posted: | May 20, 2024 16:03 | | Subject: | Re: Where is the scale for box condition ? | | Viewed: | 22 times | | Topic: | Selling | |
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| In Selling, Dhobeck writes:
| | In Selling, cosmicray writes:
| | In Selling, Dhobeck writes:
| | In Selling, yorbrick writes:
| | In Selling, cosmicray writes:
| | In Selling, infinibrix writes:
| | Obviously people will always still interpretate condition slightly differently
but I feel overall this would be a lots less subjective than a 1-10 grading system
and sellers will have a much better understanding of the most appropriate option
to choose for their sets condition
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I have never specified a box as MISB, not ever. Recently a buyer tried to tell
me that "Factory sealed in original box" meant I was claiming it was
MISB. 🤦♀️
When buyers begin to assign meanings that were never stated/intended, that's
when it is time to look out for the falling sandbag from above.
|
I tend not to describe the box at all. That is what the (new, sealed) condition
is for. Unless there is any damage, then I'd note it.
I never really know what people mean by MISB. Do they mean the parts are mint
inside the box, or that the box is mint, or that the box is in a sealed shipping
box?
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It means mint in sealed box. I think
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Mint is a plant that grows in my garden, it's nothing to do with box conditions.
Nita Rae
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I see
I feel like New Unopened Box would work as a replacement.
Wait is Nubs_Select a person who SELECTS NEW UNOPENED BOXES?
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But he read the disclaimer "WARNING: may contain LEGO(tm) Parts"
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| | | | | Author: | calebfishn | | Posted: | May 15, 2024 16:01 | | Subject: | Re: Where is the scale for box condition ? | | Viewed: | 24 times | | Topic: | Selling | |
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| In Selling, cosmicray writes:
| | I'm seeing a large variety of sellers, grading box conditions with numerical
numbers.
Is there a place where the list of what those numbers mean is defined ?
When I see 9.3/10, or 7/10, without a defined grade list, they are (essentially)
meaningless (or something the seller made up out of thin air).
Nita Rae
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These grading systems are pretty meaningless on Bricklink. They are arbitrary
and mean only what the seller wants it to mean. They are not related to Bricklink's
definitions of condition, and seriously, I don't see how they could be.
Whether sets, boxes, minifigures or parts, a written description is always
preferable to a a grading system of assigned numbers or letters, because it is
less subjective and open to interpretation. What to the seller looks like a 8/10
may appear to the buyer as a 6/10, but there is less argument around a statement
that a box doesn't have any tears or dents.
Often, sellers attempt to use grading systems from the world of collecting such
as from stamps, or trading cards or coins. That is where they get terms like
"Mint". A problem is that first of all, Bricklink is not specifically
targeted at collectors and second that many of the Lego products for sale on
Bricklink are not analogous to collectables like trading cards or coins.
I don't think anything demonstrates this better than the word "mint",
and its permutations, i.e. "MISB". In coin and stamp collecting, a "mint"
item is one that has never been circulated, i.e. appears exactly as it came from
the mint. It is hard to imagine describing a set that sat in a retail store
for months, then was purchased at liquidation discount, and put up for sale on
Bricklink as "never circulated". Even worse, is when sellers apply "Mint"
to used sets, parts and minifigures. I am sure that they believe their item is
in particularly nice condition, but they can't reasonably be interpreted
as "mint".
A coin, or a stamp or a trading card does not have an inventory. It's just
one piece. So, the condition for grading these things will focus almost entirely
on the surface appearance. But that doesn't work well on Bricklink where
many things, (sets, and minifigures) do have an inventory of several parts, (or
hundreds)that are relevant to condition.
In minifigs, an attempt to grade on surface appearance only, leads to some real
howlers, such as "Mint condition - missing the head and legs." or even
better, "Severely scratched torso. Missing head. Otherwise Mint." For
some sellers it seems, if there is even one part of their used (or abused) minifigure
that is absent scratches, they'll emphasize that and call it mint, or VGC
or 9/10.
I'm not saying sellers are dishonest. It is understandable. I mean, I think
all my parts are really awesome too. But the problem is that this application
of irrelevant standards from the world of collectables will lead to misunderstanding
by buyers, and then conflict and unhappiness. Then someone who got a less than
perfect item will come on the forum and propose that Bricklink implement a standard
grading system for the Lego sold here. No, Bricklink should not do that. There
already is a standard, which is "describe any damage".
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| | | | | Author: | Bond | | Posted: | May 15, 2024 20:10 | | Subject: | Re: Where is the scale for box condition ? | | Viewed: | 26 times | | Topic: | Selling | |
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| In Selling, cosmicray writes:
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| | When I see 9.3/10, or 7/10, without a defined grade list, they are (essentially)
meaningless (or something the seller made up out of thin air).
Nita Rae
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I don't buy many boxes, but those that I do (mostly for 1980's sets)
I ask to see a photo of. Some sellers save their buyers a lot of headache and
just include a photo with the listing from the beginning.
- B
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| | | | | Author: | GQruel | | Posted: | May 16, 2024 04:03 | | Subject: | Re: Where is the scale for box condition ? | | Viewed: | 40 times | | Topic: | Selling | |
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| In Selling, cosmicray writes:
| | I'm seeing a large variety of sellers, grading box conditions with numerical
numbers.
Is there a place where the list of what those numbers mean is defined ?
When I see 9.3/10, or 7/10, without a defined grade list, they are (essentially)
meaningless (or something the seller made up out of thin air).
Nita Rae
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Well it depends, IMO a box graded 9 or 10 out of 10 is in very good shape, no
need to ask for pictures if you're not a serious collector. But 6-8/10 might
be a hint to ask for photos before buying and anything less, just expect it to
be very worn/bad condition.
Sure the grading is only the sellers opinion but at least it's a hint on
what to expect. I don't see a better solution for this and it's better
than no gradring at all.
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