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| | Author: | adpb | Posted: | Apr 25, 2024 04:30 | Subject: | parts in non existent colors deleted | Viewed: | 200 times | Topic: | Colors | Status: | Open | |
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| Hello,
The Bricklink administration removed one of my selling listings. The reason was
that the parts were listed in a non existent color.
The part was actually a genuine lego part, listed in the correct color. Only
was it never released in an official set, so it does not show up in the color
guide in any set. Is it no longer allowed to list such parts? As far as i know
this type of parts could be obtained in a legal way from a pick a brick wall.
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| | | | Author: | yorbrick | Posted: | Apr 25, 2024 04:42 | Subject: | Re: parts in non existent colors deleted | Viewed: | 60 times | Topic: | Colors | |
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| In Colors, adpb writes:
| Hello,
The Bricklink administration removed one of my selling listings. The reason was
that the parts were listed in a non existent color.
The part was actually a genuine lego part, listed in the correct color. Only
was it never released in an official set, so it does not show up in the color
guide in any set. Is it no longer allowed to list such parts? As far as i know
this type of parts could be obtained in a legal way from a pick a brick wall.
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They have removed parts that are not in official (retail set) colours, especially
minifigure parts, where they have been made by "night shift" workers
that then steal and sell them. I imagine that possibly legitimate parts have
been caught up in this.
https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1322014
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| | | | Author: | Stellar | Posted: | Apr 25, 2024 04:46 | Subject: | Re: parts in non existent colors deleted | Viewed: | 54 times | Topic: | Colors | |
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| In Colors, adpb writes:
| Hello,
The Bricklink administration removed one of my selling listings. The reason was
that the parts were listed in a non existent color.
The part was actually a genuine lego part, listed in the correct color. Only
was it never released in an official set, so it does not show up in the color
guide in any set. Is it no longer allowed to list such parts? As far as i know
this type of parts could be obtained in a legal way from a pick a brick wall.
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Where they in a transparent color? If so it might be related to this post:
https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1322014
If you have proof of purchase before listing again I would recommend contacting
the Help Desk.
https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1465103
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| | | | | | Author: | enig | Posted: | Apr 25, 2024 06:57 | Subject: | Re: parts in non existent colors deleted | Viewed: | 54 times | Topic: | Colors | |
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| In Colors, Stellar writes:
| In Colors, adpb writes:
| Hello,
The Bricklink administration removed one of my selling listings. The reason was
that the parts were listed in a non existent color.
The part was actually a genuine lego part, listed in the correct color. Only
was it never released in an official set, so it does not show up in the color
guide in any set. Is it no longer allowed to list such parts? As far as i know
this type of parts could be obtained in a legal way from a pick a brick wall.
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Where they in a transparent color? If so it might be related to this post:
https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1322014
If you have proof of purchase before listing again I would recommend contacting
the Help Desk.
https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1465103
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I wonder what would that proof could look like....
An invoice from PAB with a line 'prototype part'?
Can someone give an actual example of proof of purchase that would be accepted
by BL?
A rhetorical question more than anything but I'd love if someone entertained
me with an answer still. This is the same as discovering that something that
you bought at a grocery store has mold in it, but the store refusing a refund
because you did not save the receipt.
If such an imaginary proof existed even theoretically - fine. But otherwise -
owners of legitimate parts are getting slapped in the face once for having their
listing removed, and then getting laughed in their faces by 'show me a receipt
from 30 years ago, then we will allow you to list the item".
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| | | | | | | | Author: | yorbrick | Posted: | Apr 25, 2024 08:12 | Subject: | Re: parts in non existent colors deleted | Viewed: | 62 times | Topic: | Colors | |
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I wonder what would that proof could look like....
An invoice from PAB with a line 'prototype part'?
Can someone give an actual example of proof of purchase that would be accepted
by BL?
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If bought from online PAB, then the paper invoice they send has all parts listed.
If instore PAB, maybe a photo of the PAB tower, although the majority of parts
I have ever seen on a PAB wall have already been common parts. Whereas online
PAB has had parts that were not (yet) released in the past.
It is more likely that they would be from one of the German warehouse type stores
or LEGOLAND builder stock than from PAB.
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| | | | Author: | runner.caller | Posted: | Apr 25, 2024 10:32 | Subject: | Re: parts in non existent colors deleted | Viewed: | 51 times | Topic: | Colors | |
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| In Colors, adpb writes:
| Hello,
The Bricklink administration removed one of my selling listings. The reason was
that the parts were listed in a non existent color.
The part was actually a genuine lego part, listed in the correct color. Only
was it never released in an official set, so it does not show up in the color
guide in any set. Is it no longer allowed to list such parts? As far as i know
this type of parts could be obtained in a legal way from a pick a brick wall.
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Great question, the baby dinosaur part in tan always confused me as it's
not in any sets, but there are a decent amount of them for sale.
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| | | | | | Author: | randyf | Posted: | Apr 25, 2024 12:51 | Subject: | Re: parts in non existent colors deleted | Viewed: | 53 times | Topic: | Colors | |
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| In Colors, runner.caller writes:
| In Colors, adpb writes:
| Hello,
The Bricklink administration removed one of my selling listings. The reason was
that the parts were listed in a non existent color.
The part was actually a genuine lego part, listed in the correct color. Only
was it never released in an official set, so it does not show up in the color
guide in any set. Is it no longer allowed to list such parts? As far as i know
this type of parts could be obtained in a legal way from a pick a brick wall.
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Great question, the baby dinosaur part in tan always confused me as it's
not in any sets, but there are a decent amount of them for sale.
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It’s the part underneath the metallic gold paint of the metallic gold version.
Leftover stock that got sold away to the public years ago.
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| | | | | | | | Author: | starbeanie | Posted: | Apr 25, 2024 13:08 | Subject: | Re: parts in non existent colors deleted | Viewed: | 58 times | Topic: | Colors | |
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| like this one also
it's what's under the metallic Gold also.
In Colors, randyf writes:
| In Colors, runner.caller writes:
| In Colors, adpb writes:
| Hello,
The Bricklink administration removed one of my selling listings. The reason was
that the parts were listed in a non existent color.
The part was actually a genuine lego part, listed in the correct color. Only
was it never released in an official set, so it does not show up in the color
guide in any set. Is it no longer allowed to list such parts? As far as i know
this type of parts could be obtained in a legal way from a pick a brick wall.
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Great question, the baby dinosaur part in tan always confused me as it's
not in any sets, but there are a decent amount of them for sale.
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It’s the part underneath the metallic gold paint of the metallic gold version.
Leftover stock that got sold away to the public years ago.
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| | | | | | Author: | crazylegoman | Posted: | Apr 25, 2024 11:38 | Subject: | Re: parts in non existent colors deleted | Viewed: | 71 times | Topic: | General | |
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| In Colors, Admin_Russell writes:
| In Colors, adpb writes:
| Hello,
The Bricklink administration removed one of my selling listings. The reason was
that the parts were listed in a non existent color.
The part was actually a genuine lego part, listed in the correct color. Only
was it never released in an official set, so it does not show up in the color
guide in any set. Is it no longer allowed to list such parts? As far as i know
this type of parts could be obtained in a legal way from a pick a brick wall.
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Please tell us which part it was that was removed. It could have been a mistake,
but it could have also been an unwritten rule that we have had to enforce because
of the problem of fake parts. Unfortunately we do not have a log of deletions.
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I have an idea. If you're going to enforce a rule, then write that rule
into the Bricklink Rules and Policies. That way people will actually know
what the rules are. Enforcing unwritten rules will just create chaos and resentment.
David
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| | | | | | | | Author: | yorbrick | Posted: | Apr 25, 2024 12:28 | Subject: | Re: parts in non existent colors deleted | Viewed: | 63 times | Topic: | General | |
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| In General, crazylegoman writes:
| In Colors, Admin_Russell writes:
| In Colors, adpb writes:
| Hello,
The Bricklink administration removed one of my selling listings. The reason was
that the parts were listed in a non existent color.
The part was actually a genuine lego part, listed in the correct color. Only
was it never released in an official set, so it does not show up in the color
guide in any set. Is it no longer allowed to list such parts? As far as i know
this type of parts could be obtained in a legal way from a pick a brick wall.
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Please tell us which part it was that was removed. It could have been a mistake,
but it could have also been an unwritten rule that we have had to enforce because
of the problem of fake parts. Unfortunately we do not have a log of deletions.
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I have an idea. If you're going to enforce a rule, then write that rule
into the Bricklink Rules and Policies. That way people will actually know
what the rules are. Enforcing unwritten rules will just create chaos and resentment.
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There is already a rule that sort of covers it...
Items Pending Official Release: Items may not be listed prior to their official
LEGO release date, either as custom lots or under related catalog entries.
These items have not been officially released, so these items are listed before
the official release date. Of course there might be no release date, especially
for night-shift parts, or there might not be a known official release date but
that doesn't mean that date would never happen so they are still listed prior
to an official release.
It would be interesting to know which part it was as the OP states they were
obtainable from a PAB wall, so this suggests it was already in an official store
and so would not be a night-shift type part.
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| | | | | | | | | | Author: | adpb | Posted: | Apr 25, 2024 16:00 | Subject: | Re: parts in non existent colors deleted | Viewed: | 82 times | Topic: | General | |
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| The part I listed was" Minifigure, Shield Circular Ridged Face with Stud"
Item No: 3876 in Trans neon green.
It is not from PAB. That was just an example to show that there are also legit
ways to get unreleased lego parts.
I bought the part from bricklink my self in 2014.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | jennnifer | Posted: | Apr 25, 2024 16:18 | Subject: | Re: parts in non existent colors deleted | Viewed: | 56 times | Topic: | General | |
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| In General, adpb writes:
| The part I listed was" Minifigure, Shield Circular Ridged Face with Stud"
Item No: 3876 in Trans neon green.
It is not from PAB. That was just an example to show that there are also legit
ways to get unreleased lego parts.
I bought the part from bricklink my self in 2014.
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I think the point is that even if you bought the part here a decade ago, who
is to say that that seller's source was legitimate?
~Jen
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | adpb | Posted: | Apr 25, 2024 16:37 | Subject: | Re: parts in non existent colors deleted | Viewed: | 62 times | Topic: | General | |
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| In General, jennnifer writes:
| In General, adpb writes:
| The part I listed was" Minifigure, Shield Circular Ridged Face with Stud"
Item No: 3876 in Trans neon green.
It is not from PAB. That was just an example to show that there are also legit
ways to get unreleased lego parts.
I bought the part from bricklink my self in 2014.
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I think the point is that even if you bought the part here a decade ago, who
is to say that that seller's source was legitimate?
~Jen
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The part has been retired for 30 years. This is 99.9% sure just a test part that
escaped the factory.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | zorbanj | Posted: | Apr 26, 2024 08:50 | Subject: | Re: parts in non existent colors deleted | Viewed: | 54 times | Topic: | General | |
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| I wouldn't relist that part without permission, and I doubt you'll get
permission to sell a part like that on a site owned by TLG.
You should easily be able to sell it elsewhere though.
In General, adpb writes:
| In General, jennnifer writes:
| In General, adpb writes:
| The part I listed was" Minifigure, Shield Circular Ridged Face with Stud"
Item No: 3876 in Trans neon green.
It is not from PAB. That was just an example to show that there are also legit
ways to get unreleased lego parts.
I bought the part from bricklink my self in 2014.
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I think the point is that even if you bought the part here a decade ago, who
is to say that that seller's source was legitimate?
~Jen
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The part has been retired for 30 years. This is 99.9% sure just a test part that
escaped the factory.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | yorbrick | Posted: | Apr 26, 2024 10:30 | Subject: | Re: parts in non existent colors deleted | Viewed: | 49 times | Topic: | General | |
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| | | | It is not from PAB. That was just an example to show that there are also legit
ways to get unreleased lego parts.
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| The part has been retired for 30 years. This is 99.9% sure just a test part that
escaped the factory.
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"Escaping the factory" is not the same as legitimate routes such as from
a PAB wall.
It is old. It might have happened a long time ago. But if LEGO wants to stop
illegitimate pieces from being produced and stolen now, they have to put a stop
to all pieces like that. Otherwise, in 30 years time, those new illegitimate
Vader helmets all become fair game to list as they are old and it happened a
long time ago.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Swatson217 | Posted: | Apr 26, 2024 11:53 | Subject: | Re: parts in non existent colors deleted | Viewed: | 41 times | Topic: | General | |
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| I listed sand blue 2x2 macaroni tile and it was deleted. It is from one of the
newer space sets.
In General, yorbrick writes:
| | | | It is not from PAB. That was just an example to show that there are also legit
ways to get unreleased lego parts.
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| The part has been retired for 30 years. This is 99.9% sure just a test part that
escaped the factory.
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"Escaping the factory" is not the same as legitimate routes such as from
a PAB wall.
It is old. It might have happened a long time ago. But if LEGO wants to stop
illegitimate pieces from being produced and stolen now, they have to put a stop
to all pieces like that. Otherwise, in 30 years time, those new illegitimate
Vader helmets all become fair game to list as they are old and it happened a
long time ago.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | yorbrick | Posted: | Apr 26, 2024 12:26 | Subject: | Re: parts in non existent colors deleted | Viewed: | 38 times | Topic: | General | |
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| In General, Swatson217 writes:
| I listed sand blue 2x2 macaroni tile and it was deleted. It is from one of the
newer space sets.
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If it is from a new released set that just hasn't been inventoried yet, then
that is really silly. You'd think they would have more things to do than
delete parts like that from sale.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | yorbrick | Posted: | Apr 26, 2024 12:29 | Subject: | Re: parts in non existent colors deleted | Viewed: | 38 times | Topic: | General | |
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| In General, yorbrick writes:
| In General, Swatson217 writes:
| I listed sand blue 2x2 macaroni tile and it was deleted. It is from one of the
newer space sets.
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If it is from a new released set that just hasn't been inventoried yet, then
that is really silly. You'd think they would have more things to do than
delete parts like that from sale.
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I just checked ... no inventory yet.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Swatson217 | Posted: | Apr 26, 2024 16:11 | Subject: | Re: parts in non existent colors deleted | Viewed: | 42 times | Topic: | General | |
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| That’s what I thought…but 🤷🏻
In General, yorbrick writes:
| In General, Swatson217 writes:
| I listed sand blue 2x2 macaroni tile and it was deleted. It is from one of the
newer space sets.
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If it is from a new released set that just hasn't been inventoried yet, then
that is really silly. You'd think they would have more things to do than
delete parts like that from sale.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | adpb | Posted: | Apr 26, 2024 14:29 | Subject: | Re: parts in non existent colors deleted | Viewed: | 35 times | Topic: | General | |
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| In General, yorbrick writes:
| | | | It is not from PAB. That was just an example to show that there are also legit
ways to get unreleased lego parts.
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| The part has been retired for 30 years. This is 99.9% sure just a test part that
escaped the factory.
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"Escaping the factory" is not the same as legitimate routes such as from
a PAB wall.
It is old. It might have happened a long time ago. But if LEGO wants to stop
illegitimate pieces from being produced and stolen now, they have to put a stop
to all pieces like that. Otherwise, in 30 years time, those new illegitimate
Vader helmets all become fair game to list as they are old and it happened a
long time ago.
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Than what about these known stores that list old "Q-parts" from the 90s
in vast amounts. These parts probably originate from model shops. How do we know
these were obtained in a legal way? Should that be allowed.
https://store.bricklink.com/MT_Bricks?itemID=114736387#/shop?o={%22invID%22:%22114736387%22}
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Dhobeck | Posted: | Apr 26, 2024 14:36 | Subject: | Re: parts in non existent colors deleted | Viewed: | 28 times | Topic: | General | |
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| In General, adpb writes:
| In General, yorbrick writes:
| | | | It is not from PAB. That was just an example to show that there are also legit
ways to get unreleased lego parts.
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| The part has been retired for 30 years. This is 99.9% sure just a test part that
escaped the factory.
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"Escaping the factory" is not the same as legitimate routes such as from
a PAB wall.
It is old. It might have happened a long time ago. But if LEGO wants to stop
illegitimate pieces from being produced and stolen now, they have to put a stop
to all pieces like that. Otherwise, in 30 years time, those new illegitimate
Vader helmets all become fair game to list as they are old and it happened a
long time ago.
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Than what about these known stores that list old "Q-parts" from the 90s
in vast amounts. These parts probably originate from model shops. How do we know
these were obtained in a legal way? Should that be allowed.
https://store.bricklink.com/MT_Bricks?itemID=114736387#/shop?o={%22invID%22:%22114736387%22}
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It’s interesting that the parts are all new after 20ish years
Not even 1 person is selling them used?
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | WoutR | Posted: | Apr 26, 2024 15:29 | Subject: | Re: parts in non existent colors deleted | Viewed: | 45 times | Topic: | General | |
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| In General, adpb writes:
| In General, jennnifer writes:
| In General, adpb writes:
| The part I listed was" Minifigure, Shield Circular Ridged Face with Stud"
Item No: 3876 in Trans neon green.
It is not from PAB. That was just an example to show that there are also legit
ways to get unreleased lego parts.
I bought the part from bricklink my self in 2014.
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I think the point is that even if you bought the part here a decade ago, who
is to say that that seller's source was legitimate?
~Jen
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The part has been retired for 30 years. This is 99.9% sure just a test part that
escaped the factory.
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Especially in the 1990s, there were many legal ways such parts found their way
out of the factory. Leftover parts were, for example, sold in model shops and
employee shops. Employee children got to play with prototype sets to evaluate
them, and were allowed to keep them. Those were different times.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | yorbrick | Posted: | Apr 25, 2024 17:09 | Subject: | Re: parts in non existent colors deleted | Viewed: | 55 times | Topic: | General | |
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| | It is not from PAB. That was just an example to show that there are also legit
ways to get unreleased lego parts.
I bought the part from bricklink my self in 2014.
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Which parts have been on a PAB wall that have not been released? The BAM minifig
parts get catalogued and I cannot remember any examples of parts from PAB walls
that have never been released. Even if there were other legitimate routes for
other unreleased parts, it doesn’t mean all unreleased parts should be allowed
here.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Nubs_Select | Posted: | Apr 25, 2024 18:16 | Subject: | Re: parts in non existent colors deleted | Viewed: | 52 times | Topic: | General | |
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| In General, yorbrick writes:
| | It is not from PAB. That was just an example to show that there are also legit
ways to get unreleased lego parts.
I bought the part from bricklink my self in 2014.
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Which parts have been on a PAB wall that have not been released? The BAM minifig
parts get catalogued and I cannot remember any examples of parts from PAB walls
that have never been released. Even if there were other legitimate routes for
other unreleased parts, it doesn’t mean all unreleased parts should be allowed
here.
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either one or both of these
were exclusively on pab walls if i remember correctly
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | randyf | Posted: | Apr 25, 2024 18:49 | Subject: | Re: parts in non existent colors deleted | Viewed: | 71 times | Topic: | General | |
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| In General, yorbrick writes:
| | It is not from PAB. That was just an example to show that there are also legit
ways to get unreleased lego parts.
I bought the part from bricklink my self in 2014.
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Which parts have been on a PAB wall that have not been released? The BAM minifig
parts get catalogued and I cannot remember any examples of parts from PAB walls
that have never been released. Even if there were other legitimate routes for
other unreleased parts, it doesn’t mean all unreleased parts should be allowed
here.
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I believe a lot of Warm Yellowish Orange parts were recently released at the
Florida LEGOLAND PAB? They definitely were never released in anything else, and
they were most likely old product from the model shop that had been sitting around
for almost 20 years. There have been lots of legitimate ways over the course
of LEGO history to obtain many rare and unique items.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/126975831@N07/14999163358
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | yorbrick | Posted: | Apr 26, 2024 03:09 | Subject: | Re: parts in non existent colors deleted | Viewed: | 58 times | Topic: | General | |
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| In General, randyf writes:
| In General, yorbrick writes:
| | It is not from PAB. That was just an example to show that there are also legit
ways to get unreleased lego parts.
I bought the part from bricklink my self in 2014.
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Which parts have been on a PAB wall that have not been released? The BAM minifig
parts get catalogued and I cannot remember any examples of parts from PAB walls
that have never been released. Even if there were other legitimate routes for
other unreleased parts, it doesn’t mean all unreleased parts should be allowed
here.
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I believe a lot of Warm Yellowish Orange parts were recently released at the
Florida LEGOLAND PAB? They definitely were never released in anything else, and
they were most likely old product from the model shop that had been sitting around
for almost 20 years. There have been lots of legitimate ways over the course
of LEGO history to obtain many rare and unique items.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/126975831@N07/14999163358
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Yes from individual LEGOLAND centres (I also mentioned them earlier) but not
from regular PAB walls.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | M_R | Posted: | Apr 26, 2024 00:44 | Subject: | Re: parts in non existent colors deleted | Viewed: | 55 times | Topic: | General | |
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| In General, yorbrick writes:
| | It is not from PAB. That was just an example to show that there are also legit
ways to get unreleased lego parts.
I bought the part from bricklink my self in 2014.
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Which parts have been on a PAB wall that have not been released? The BAM minifig
parts get catalogued and I cannot remember any examples of parts from PAB walls
that have never been released. Even if there were other legitimate routes for
other unreleased parts, it doesn’t mean all unreleased parts should be allowed
here.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | yorbrick | Posted: | Apr 26, 2024 03:07 | Subject: | Re: parts in non existent colors deleted | Viewed: | 43 times | Topic: | General | |
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| In General, M_R writes:
| In General, yorbrick writes:
| | It is not from PAB. That was just an example to show that there are also legit
ways to get unreleased lego parts.
I bought the part from bricklink my self in 2014.
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Which parts have been on a PAB wall that have not been released? The BAM minifig
parts get catalogued and I cannot remember any examples of parts from PAB walls
that have never been released. Even if there were other legitimate routes for
other unreleased parts, it doesn’t mean all unreleased parts should be allowed
here.
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Parts like that are officially released, same with all the BAM exclusive parts.
They are not in retail sets, but they are widely available and catalogued here
as existing. Hence there is no issue with them being listed compared to the illegitimate
parts.
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