I'm not sure if any of you are following the r/BrickLink thread on Reddit,
but I suggest you might want to start paying attention. This is the reaction
of an under 18 about not being able to browse when being honest about their date
of birth. I get blocking buyers who are under 18 from purchasing, but they shouldn't
be blocked from browsing when being honest about their age. Besides, isn't
that data that TLG would find useful? How many kids are looking for parts to
build with outside of sets, at what age they start branching out from pre-designed
sets, etc.
That's terrible, the pop-up should at least point out that anyone can browse
the site but only adults can create an account and log in.
In General, WildBricks writes:
Hey Admins,
I'm not sure if any of you are following the r/BrickLink thread on Reddit,
but I suggest you might want to start paying attention. This is the reaction
of an under 18 about not being able to browse when being honest about their date
of birth. I get blocking buyers who are under 18 from purchasing, but they shouldn't
be blocked from browsing when being honest about their age. Besides, isn't
that data that TLG would find useful? How many kids are looking for parts to
build with outside of sets, at what age they start branching out from pre-designed
sets, etc.
Not trying to start a flame war or anything; just honest concern about how open
the site feels and not loosing sales.
It won't lose sales as under 18s are not allowed to purchase. Letting them
in to browse won't lead to sales.
You mean, a 16 yrs old browsing can't ask to mom or dad to order something
for them?
It indirectly lead to sales, I'm sorry.
If they are asking their parent then yes, but they need to get the parent to
make the account anyway, so they can browse with that.
That's silly my friend, sorry to say.
As they'd use their parents account, browse the site, and why no pay with
the family CC or PayPal account??? Who cares for asking authorization if they
can directly order and eventually pay?
Not trying to start a flame war or anything; just honest concern about how open
the site feels and not loosing sales.
It won't lose sales as under 18s are not allowed to purchase. Letting them
in to browse won't lead to sales.
I would disagree! Teenagers are a BIG component of the Lego community and they
should certainly be able to browse and use the data here. You don't think
their parents purchase the parts here after they find them? I get so many orders
where the last name and address here and on Paypal match perfectly but the first
name is different. It could be spouses sure, but I would bet it's also for
kids. I think a ton of parents make purchases for their kids here. We want to
grow and support all BrickLink fans. Have you been to a LEGO convention like
Brickworld? It is filled with teenagers.
It tone-deaf to say that BrickLink is for 'grown-ups' and direct anyone
under 18 to a site designed for little kids. Geez how hard could it be to show
one message to 10 and under and a different one the rest that they can browse
but not buy? It just takes some creativity and a willingness to address this
kind of problem.
Of course, any 16 year old is smart enough to enter a different year and use
the site anyway.
Not trying to start a flame war or anything; just honest concern about how open
the site feels and not loosing sales.
It won't lose sales as under 18s are not allowed to purchase. Letting them
in to browse won't lead to sales.
I would disagree! Teenagers are a BIG component of the Lego community and they
should certainly be able to browse and use the data here. You don't think
their parents purchase the parts here after they find them? I get so many orders
where the last name and address here and on Paypal match perfectly but the first
name is different. It could be spouses sure, but I would bet it's also for
kids. I think a ton of parents make purchases for their kids here. We want to
grow and support all BrickLink fans. Have you been to a LEGO convention like
Brickworld? It is filled with teenagers.
Let's not confuse spouse names in payments. That is very common. We are talking
about underage users.
I agree any child should browse, could browse and will browse. I admitted that.
I never said it was for "grown ups". Children should be encouraged.
You have completely misunderstood the response Jen.
How hard could it be? Seems it is very difficult given we all assumed the transition
of merging BL and TLG would be better and beneficial.
For the love of god, no more transitions, mergers, multiple platforms for users
of varying ages.
It tone-deaf to say that BrickLink is for 'grown-ups' and direct anyone
under 18 to a site designed for little kids. Geez how hard could it be to show
one message to 10 and under and a different one the rest that they can browse
but not buy? It just takes some creativity and a willingness to address this
kind of problem.
Of course, any 16 year old is smart enough to enter a different year and use
the site anyway.
Not trying to start a flame war or anything; just honest concern about how open
the site feels and not loosing sales.
It won't lose sales as under 18s are not allowed to purchase. Letting them
in to browse won't lead to sales.
I would disagree! Teenagers are a BIG component of the Lego community and they
should certainly be able to browse and use the data here. You don't think
their parents purchase the parts here after they find them? I get so many orders
where the last name and address here and on Paypal match perfectly but the first
name is different. It could be spouses sure, but I would bet it's also for
kids. I think a ton of parents make purchases for their kids here. We want to
grow and support all BrickLink fans. Have you been to a LEGO convention like
Brickworld? It is filled with teenagers.
Let's not confuse spouse names in payments. That is very common. We are talking
about underage users.
Yes, that's what I said.
I agree any child should browse, could browse and will browse. I admitted that.
Yes, we agree.
I never said it was for "grown ups". Children should be encouraged.
No, you didn't say that. The pop-up that directs users off the site says
that.
You have completely misunderstood the response Jen.
No, I was disagreeing with the statement of the post I replied to: yorbrick
How hard could it be? Seems it is very difficult given we all assumed the transition
of merging BL and TLG would be better and beneficial.
I never once thought that, said that, or assumed that the merge would be good
at all.
For the love of god, no more transitions, mergers, multiple platforms for users
of varying ages.
I am going to stick with my statement that 10 year olds and 16 year olds deserve
different treatment. I don't understand your response to my post here so
sorry for the miscommunication?
Not trying to start a flame war or anything; just honest concern about how open
the site feels and not loosing sales.
It won't lose sales as under 18s are not allowed to purchase. Letting them
in to browse won't lead to sales.
I would disagree! Teenagers are a BIG component of the Lego community and they
should certainly be able to browse and use the data here. You don't think
their parents purchase the parts here after they find them? I get so many orders
where the last name and address here and on Paypal match perfectly but the first
name is different. It could be spouses sure, but I would bet it's also for
kids. I think a ton of parents make purchases for their kids here. We want to
grow and support all BrickLink fans. Have you been to a LEGO convention like
Brickworld? It is filled with teenagers.
I often go to conventions like brickworld and comicon. I have been to EVERY lego
land in the world, some twice. I have been inside TLG facilities in Denmark and
mexico more than once.
It tone-deaf to say that BrickLink is for 'grown-ups' and direct anyone
under 18 to a site designed for little kids. Geez how hard could it be to show
one message to 10 and under and a different one the rest that they can browse
but not buy? It just takes some creativity and a willingness to address this
kind of problem.
Of course, any 16 year old is smart enough to enter a different year and use
the site anyway.
Not trying to start a flame war or anything; just honest concern about how open
the site feels and not loosing sales.
It won't lose sales as under 18s are not allowed to purchase. Letting them
in to browse won't lead to sales.
I would disagree! Teenagers are a BIG component of the Lego community and they
should certainly be able to browse and use the data here. You don't think
their parents purchase the parts here after they find them?
For which they need an adult account, so they can use that same account to browse.
Not trying to start a flame war or anything; just honest concern about how open
the site feels and not loosing sales.
It won't lose sales as under 18s are not allowed to purchase. Letting them
in to browse won't lead to sales.
I would disagree! Teenagers are a BIG component of the Lego community and they
should certainly be able to browse and use the data here. You don't think
their parents purchase the parts here after they find them?
For which they need an adult account, so they can use that same account to browse.
Now I'm wondering if you ever have had a child / or (worse?) a teen...
Not trying to start a flame war or anything; just honest concern about how open
the site feels and not loosing sales.
It won't lose sales as under 18s are not allowed to purchase. Letting them
in to browse won't lead to sales.
I have been a buyer on Bricklink for over 21 years. I have 5 children and 13
grandchildren. You really don't think I have bought Lego that they wanted
during that time? 3 of my kids LOVE some of the builds on Rebrickable and I have
parted those builds out into a wanted list for them and then bought all the parts
or finding suitable substitutes if the color or part are not available.
And don't get me started on Dungeons & Dragons. Every time they start a new
character, they list all the items they want and browse minifigure parts and
equipment and then give me the list to obtain. I probably should not have started
building my D&D adventures out of Lego all those years ago. The memories though
are priceless!
Not trying to start a flame war or anything; just honest concern about how open
the site feels and not loosing sales.
It won't lose sales as under 18s are not allowed to purchase. Letting them
in to browse won't lead to sales.
I have been a buyer on Bricklink for over 21 years. I have 5 children and 13
grandchildren. You really don't think I have bought Lego that they wanted
during that time? 3 of my kids LOVE some of the builds on Rebrickable and I have
parted those builds out into a wanted list for them and then bought all the parts
or finding suitable substitutes if the color or part are not available.
And don't get me started on Dungeons & Dragons. Every time they start a new
character, they list all the items they want and browse minifigure parts and
equipment and then give me the list to obtain. I probably should not have started
building my D&D adventures out of Lego all those years ago. The memories though
are priceless!
You could still do all that now with your account.
Not trying to start a flame war or anything; just honest concern about how open
the site feels and not loosing sales.
It won't lose sales as under 18s are not allowed to purchase. Letting them
in to browse won't lead to sales.
There have been several threads on this on Reddit, I replied on one to have several
replies along the line of 'well I've been buying on BL for years and
now I can't'
Not allowed isn't the same thing as don't with this.
I'm not sure if any of you are following the r/BrickLink thread on Reddit,
but I suggest you might want to start paying attention. This is the reaction
of an under 18 about not being able to browse when being honest about their date
of birth. I get blocking buyers who are under 18 from purchasing, but they shouldn't
be blocked from browsing when being honest about their age. Besides, isn't
that data that TLG would find useful? How many kids are looking for parts to
build with outside of sets, at what age they start branching out from pre-designed
sets, etc.
Not trying to start a flame war or anything; just honest concern about how open
the site feels and not loosing sales.
Not sure how this is an admin issue. Obligations and duties are clear in the
Terms, if you are not 18 then you will parental or guardian consent. That consent
is expressed through someone using an account that is over 18.
Look at it from the reverse perspective. Someone under 18 places an order, that
someone receives that order and then claims they were under 18 and demands a
refund from a partner payment agency like paypal. They will refund and that seller
sustains a loss.
Perhaps that under 18 uses the parents credit card, parents find out a month
later when reading their statement, then begin action to recover funds.
I read the link, whilst I am sympathetic the administration and those decisions
are for the greater good of all buyers/sellers on Bricklink not just "under
18's".
Sales in that context are not lost because in the due diligence they could not
occur in the first instance. It cant be potential or otherwise as the legitimate
expectation does not exist.
I'm not sure if any of you are following the r/BrickLink thread on Reddit,
but I suggest you might want to start paying attention. This is the reaction
of an under 18 about not being able to browse when being honest about their date
of birth. I get blocking buyers who are under 18 from purchasing, but they shouldn't
be blocked from browsing when being honest about their age. Besides, isn't
that data that TLG would find useful? How many kids are looking for parts to
build with outside of sets, at what age they start branching out from pre-designed
sets, etc.
Not trying to start a flame war or anything; just honest concern about how open
the site feels and not loosing sales.
As per the Terms of Service section 1.2:
Users of the Site and/or to access or use the Site as a User account, you
must be of an age of legal majority and be legally capable of entering into a
binding contract in the jurisdiction in which you reside. If you are not of such
an age or not legally capable of entering into contracts, you should not accept
these Terms, you may not register as a User, and you may not use this Site as
a registered User.
He can still browse the website as long as he isn't logged in (Just lie about
the birthyear like everyone esle.)
[…]
He can still browse the website as long as he isn't logged in (Just lie about
the birthyear like everyone esle.)
That’s the part that’s both stupid and dangerous:
1. condonning lying is bad,
2. what’s the hurt in being able to browse when you’re below 18?
This. What is happening is that ANY visitor that is NOT logged in, are asked
for their age, and if they are under 18, they are redirected to LEGO's kids
site. In other words, they are quite literally being told they are not allowed
to simply browse the site. That is the message being sent. Can you circumvent
it? Sure. You shouldn't need to, and you shouldn't be encouraged to.
This is an entirely separate matter from making an account which also requires
you to enter your age, or placing orders. I have never encountered any other
store for all-ages products that outright prohibits visitors from browsing, and
as I see it, this system accomplishes nothing of meaning. All it does is send
the message that 17-year-olds aren't allowed to browse legos.
[…]
He can still browse the website as long as he isn't logged in (Just lie about
the birthyear like everyone esle.)
That’s the part that’s both stupid and dangerous:
1. condonning lying is bad,
2. what’s the hurt in being able to browse when you’re below 18?
This. What is happening is that ANY visitor that is NOT logged in, are asked
for their age, and if they are under 18, they are redirected to LEGO's kids
site. In other words, they are quite literally being told they are not allowed
to simply browse the site. That is the message being sent. Can you circumvent
it? Sure. You shouldn't need to, and you shouldn't be encouraged to.
This is an entirely separate matter from making an account which also requires
you to enter your age, or placing orders. I have never encountered any other
store for all-ages products that outright prohibits visitors from browsing, and
as I see it, this system accomplishes nothing of meaning. All it does is send
the message that 17-year-olds aren't allowed to browse legos.
Exactly this! I could not agree more. This is such a bad user experience. Even
for adults who just want to quickly check out a set. I can understand age verification
when being logged in and able to buy and sell. Bricklink is one of the most "for
all ages" site on the internet. Asking for age and redirecting to another
site is totally inappropriate.
[…]
He can still browse the website as long as he isn't logged in (Just lie about
the birthyear like everyone esle.)
That’s the part that’s both stupid and dangerous:
1. condonning lying is bad,
2. what’s the hurt in being able to browse when you’re below 18?
This. What is happening is that ANY visitor that is NOT logged in, are asked
for their age, and if they are under 18, they are redirected to LEGO's kids
site. In other words, they are quite literally being told they are not allowed
to simply browse the site. That is the message being sent. Can you circumvent
it? Sure. You shouldn't need to, and you shouldn't be encouraged to.
This is an entirely separate matter from making an account which also requires
you to enter your age, or placing orders. I have never encountered any other
store for all-ages products that outright prohibits visitors from browsing, and
as I see it, this system accomplishes nothing of meaning. All it does is send
the message that 17-year-olds aren't allowed to browse legos.
Exactly this! I could not agree more. This is such a bad user experience. Even
for adults who just want to quickly check out a set. I can understand age verification
when being logged in and able to buy and sell. Bricklink is one of the most "for
all ages" site on the internet. Asking for age and redirecting to another
site is totally inappropriate.
Is it still happening to you? I haven't had the login problems for several
days now.
[…]
He can still browse the website as long as he isn't logged in (Just lie about
the birthyear like everyone esle.)
That’s the part that’s both stupid and dangerous:
1. condonning lying is bad,
2. what’s the hurt in being able to browse when you’re below 18?
This. What is happening is that ANY visitor that is NOT logged in, are asked
for their age, and if they are under 18, they are redirected to LEGO's kids
site. In other words, they are quite literally being told they are not allowed
to simply browse the site. That is the message being sent. Can you circumvent
it? Sure. You shouldn't need to, and you shouldn't be encouraged to.
This is an entirely separate matter from making an account which also requires
you to enter your age, or placing orders. I have never encountered any other
store for all-ages products that outright prohibits visitors from browsing, and
as I see it, this system accomplishes nothing of meaning. All it does is send
the message that 17-year-olds aren't allowed to browse legos.
Exactly this! I could not agree more. This is such a bad user experience. Even
for adults who just want to quickly check out a set. I can understand age verification
when being logged in and able to buy and sell. Bricklink is one of the most "for
all ages" site on the internet. Asking for age and redirecting to another
site is totally inappropriate.
Is it still happening to you? I haven't had the login problems for several
days now.
I agree with Axaday. Not a solitary issue, except I didn't get an Order in
the last few days which I found weird.
I'm not sure if any of you are following the r/BrickLink thread on Reddit,
but I suggest you might want to start paying attention. This is the reaction
of an under 18 about not being able to browse when being honest about their date
of birth. I get blocking buyers who are under 18 from purchasing, but they shouldn't
be blocked from browsing when being honest about their age. Besides, isn't
that data that TLG would find useful? How many kids are looking for parts to
build with outside of sets, at what age they start branching out from pre-designed
sets, etc.
Not trying to start a flame war or anything; just honest concern about how open
the site feels and not loosing sales.
As per the Terms of Service section 1.2:
Users of the Site and/or to access or use the Site as a User account, you
must be of an age of legal majority and be legally capable of entering into a
binding contract in the jurisdiction in which you reside. If you are not of such
an age or not legally capable of entering into contracts, you should not accept
these Terms, you may not register as a User, and you may not use this Site as
a registered User.
He can still browse the website as long as he isn't logged in (Just lie about
the birthyear like everyone esle.)
I'm not sure if any of you are following the r/BrickLink thread on Reddit,
but I suggest you might want to start paying attention. This is the reaction
of an under 18 about not being able to browse when being honest about their date
of birth. I get blocking buyers who are under 18 from purchasing, but they shouldn't
be blocked from browsing when being honest about their age. Besides, isn't
that data that TLG would find useful? How many kids are looking for parts to
build with outside of sets, at what age they start branching out from pre-designed
sets, etc.
Not trying to start a flame war or anything; just honest concern about how open
the site feels and not loosing sales.
It's designed this way (not by LEGO, but the lawmakers). It's all just
a step in the processes to online digital identities. First it's laws limiting
data collection. Then it's box checking to try and comply. Then it's
the obvious that people lie to get around it. And then it's laws tying identity
verification to various accounts to enforce it... and eventually to all your
internet access in the end.
[…]
It's designed this way (not by LEGO, but the lawmakers). It's all just
a step in the processes to online digital identities. First it's laws limiting
data collection. Then it's box checking to try and comply. Then it's
the obvious that people lie to get around it. And then it's laws tying identity
verification to various accounts to enforce it... and eventually to all your
internet access in the end.
Welcome to the Brave New World!
This doesn’t explain why minors can browse Ideas or Shop @ Home or any other
LEGO website.
[…]
It's designed this way (not by LEGO, but the lawmakers). It's all just
a step in the processes to online digital identities. First it's laws limiting
data collection. Then it's box checking to try and comply. Then it's
the obvious that people lie to get around it. And then it's laws tying identity
verification to various accounts to enforce it... and eventually to all your
internet access in the end.
Welcome to the Brave New World!
This doesn’t explain why minors can browse Ideas or Shop @ Home or any other
LEGO website.
It's the aspect behind why some sites use the legal requirement of an age
check and then block completely, versus some who use a split system to check,
and then give access based on the age given. BL is likely just easier for them
to use the 18+ approach it always had in the terms, than to retroactively try
and rebuild a new type of access for younger ages into an old and outdated (and
supposedly very hodgepodge coded) site. They cannot legally data collect on
certain ages, so they have to have a split system approach, or just disallow
access entirely to prevent disallowed data collection which the site automatically
does for all users currently. With their other sites they built and designed
them with varying ages access and by effect varying data collection options from
the get go, as it was a site built with intent for children to interact. BL
though never did this from the start as it was always an 18+ audience per the
terms. BL will likely get there on the split access mode built in with time,
but knowing how updates have gone so far... who knows if that will be in our
lifetimes.
[…]
It's designed this way (not by LEGO, but the lawmakers). It's all just
a step in the processes to online digital identities. First it's laws limiting
data collection. Then it's box checking to try and comply. Then it's
the obvious that people lie to get around it. And then it's laws tying identity
verification to various accounts to enforce it... and eventually to all your
internet access in the end.
Welcome to the Brave New World!
This doesn’t explain why minors can browse Ideas or Shop @ Home or any other
LEGO website.
It's the aspect behind why some sites use the legal requirement of an age
check and then block completely, versus some who use a split system to check,
and then give access based on the age given. BL is likely just easier for them
to use the 18+ approach it always had in the terms, than to retroactively try
and rebuild a new type of access for younger ages into an old and outdated (and
supposedly very hodgepodge coded) site. They cannot legally data collect on
certain ages, so they have to have a split system approach, or just disallow
access entirely to prevent disallowed data collection which the site automatically
does for all users currently. With their other sites they built and designed
them with varying ages access and by effect varying data collection options from
the get go, as it was a site built with intent for children to interact. BL
though never did this from the start as it was always an 18+ audience per the
terms. BL will likely get there on the split access mode built in with time,
but knowing how updates have gone so far... who knows if that will be in our
lifetimes.
I could go with the argument that they can’t allow minors to see the catalogue
while preventing them from seeing the user-generated content in the forum / Gallery
/ stores….
(Though there’s obviously minors on the Gallery and they don’t seem difficult
to spot.)
But the data collection thing just seems to be your trying to push some narrative.
[…]
It's designed this way (not by LEGO, but the lawmakers). It's all just
a step in the processes to online digital identities. First it's laws limiting
data collection. Then it's box checking to try and comply. Then it's
the obvious that people lie to get around it. And then it's laws tying identity
verification to various accounts to enforce it... and eventually to all your
internet access in the end.
Welcome to the Brave New World!
This doesn’t explain why minors can browse Ideas or Shop @ Home or any other
LEGO website.
[…]
It's designed this way (not by LEGO, but the lawmakers). It's all just
a step in the processes to online digital identities. First it's laws limiting
data collection. Then it's box checking to try and comply. Then it's
the obvious that people lie to get around it. And then it's laws tying identity
verification to various accounts to enforce it... and eventually to all your
internet access in the end.
Welcome to the Brave New World!
This doesn’t explain why minors can browse Ideas or Shop @ Home or any other
LEGO website.
BL is USA, LEGO's DK?
That wouldn’t explain anything: both are offering services (almost) everywhere
in the world and are subject to the same local laws in every country they serve.
The only difference between BL & S@H would be that BL has user-made content (stores,
forums, Gallery and comments…).
But Ideas also has content made by users (designs and comments (and ID pics)).
One argument could be that they are using the opportunity of the account integration
to start complying with new (or in-the-making) laws. But BL is integrated now.
That means all the sites have the same account system. So why Ideas is still
allowing minors?
[…]
It's designed this way (not by LEGO, but the lawmakers). It's all just
a step in the processes to online digital identities. First it's laws limiting
data collection. Then it's box checking to try and comply. Then it's
the obvious that people lie to get around it. And then it's laws tying identity
verification to various accounts to enforce it... and eventually to all your
internet access in the end.
Welcome to the Brave New World!
This doesn’t explain why minors can browse Ideas or Shop @ Home or any other
LEGO website.
BL is USA, LEGO's DK?
That wouldn’t explain anything: both are offering services (almost) everywhere
in the world and are subject to the same local laws in every country they serve.
The only difference between BL & S@H would be that BL has user-made content (stores,
forums, Gallery and comments…).
But Ideas also has content made by users (designs and comments (and ID pics)).
One argument could be that they are using the opportunity of the account integration
to start complying with new (or in-the-making) laws. But BL is integrated now.
That means all the sites have the same account system. So why Ideas is still
allowing minors?
Could this be because at Ideas there's a moderation before (I guess, I don't
know), but on BrickLink an eventual moderation afterwards (a forum post, a shop
Terms or Inventory etc)?
In short, you can't be 'sure' of a family/children content if it's
moderated afterwards.
[…]
Could this be because at Ideas there's a moderation before (I guess, I don't
know), but on BrickLink an eventual moderation afterwards (a forum post, a shop
Terms or Inventory etc)?
I don’t know, I never commented on Ideas.
(But the ID pic isn’t moderated… but it would appear that BL is ahead on that
part.)
In short, you can't be 'sure' of a family/children content if it's
moderated afterwards.
Mouais.
What I understand even less is why they seem surprised about it and why they
aren’t communicating on this more. Answers are mostly waffle: “we hear you,”
“we are looking into this,” and *crickets*.
I don’t know, I never commented on Ideas.
(But the ID pic isn’t moderated… but it would appear that BL is ahead on that part.)
Restrictions are freedom, double plus ahead I would say.
In short, you can't be 'sure' of a family/children content if it's
moderated afterwards.
Mouais.
What I understand even less is why they seem surprised about it and why they
aren’t communicating on this more. Answers are mostly waffle: “we hear you,”
“we are looking into this,” and *crickets*.
Because people are still going to give them millions upon millions of dollars/Euros/(your
local currency here) through the BDP even if when we hear crickets!
Therefore, where is the need to communicate? There is no incentive for them to
right now and I highly doubt there will ever be. I hope I am wrong.
I'm not sure if any of you are following the r/BrickLink thread on Reddit,
but I suggest you might want to start paying attention. This is the reaction
of an under 18 about not being able to browse when being honest about their date
of birth. I get blocking buyers who are under 18 from purchasing, but they shouldn't
be blocked from browsing when being honest about their age. Besides, isn't
that data that TLG would find useful? How many kids are looking for parts to
build with outside of sets, at what age they start branching out from pre-designed
sets, etc.
I'm not sure if any of you are following the r/BrickLink thread on Reddit,
but I suggest you might want to start paying attention. This is the reaction
of an under 18 about not being able to browse when being honest about their date
of birth. I get blocking buyers who are under 18 from purchasing, but they shouldn't
be blocked from browsing when being honest about their age. Besides, isn't
that data that TLG would find useful? How many kids are looking for parts to
build with outside of sets, at what age they start branching out from pre-designed
sets, etc.
Not trying to start a flame war or anything; just honest concern about how open
the site feels and not loosing sales.
Is this a new thing from the account merge? How does the website know how old
you are if you don't have a login?
Yes. When you are not logged in, you get a pop-up asking you fill out the year
you were born. For me, this pop-up would appear almost every time I revisited
the site while I was unable to perform the account merger. If you fill out the
age wrong, (i.e. something that be under 18, including an obvious typo like 2200
-- You also can't intuitively backspace as each digit is set up as its
own text field), you get told Bricklink is for adults and get directed to LEGO's
kids site.
I'm not sure if any of you are following the r/BrickLink thread on Reddit,
but I suggest you might want to start paying attention. This is the reaction
of an under 18 about not being able to browse when being honest about their date
of birth. I get blocking buyers who are under 18 from purchasing, but they shouldn't
be blocked from browsing when being honest about their age. Besides, isn't
that data that TLG would find useful? How many kids are looking for parts to
build with outside of sets, at what age they start branching out from pre-designed
sets, etc.
Not trying to start a flame war or anything; just honest concern about how open
the site feels and not loosing sales.
Is this a new thing from the account merge? How does the website know how old
you are if you don't have a login?
Yes. When you are not logged in, you get a pop-up asking you fill out the year
you were born. For me, this pop-up would appear almost every time I revisited
the site while I was unable to perform the account merger. If you fill out the
age wrong, (i.e. something that be under 18, including an obvious typo like 2200
-- You also can't intuitively backspace as each digit is set up as its
own text field), you get told Bricklink is for adults and get directed to LEGO's
kids site.
Oh yeah, where is my mind? I have definitely seen the age boxes. Being logged
in to Bricklink is just such a base level thing for me that I forget that it
is doing it to me without me asking to log in.
I'm a little late to this party but want to chime in that the stupid age
thing is annoying because if I'm not logged in I have to do it EVERY time.
Cookie it so you do it once and it's done whether logged in or not. Also,
I always put in 1999 because it's easy. How many others do the same? Finally,
as to loosing sales: THAT's a thing. I gave my wife a list of sets I want
from Bricklink for Christmas but she refuses to put in her birth year. Says
that's intrusive and too personal. Credit card credentials at the time of
purchase should be sufficient. What other site asks your birth year before being
able to use it? Not Target. Not Amazon. Not Lego itself.
Fix this, PLEASE!!!
In General, WildBricks writes:
Hey Admins,
I'm not sure if any of you are following the r/BrickLink thread on Reddit,
but I suggest you might want to start paying attention. This is the reaction
of an under 18 about not being able to browse when being honest about their date
of birth. I get blocking buyers who are under 18 from purchasing, but they shouldn't
be blocked from browsing when being honest about their age. Besides, isn't
that data that TLG would find useful? How many kids are looking for parts to
build with outside of sets, at what age they start branching out from pre-designed
sets, etc.
I'm a little late to this party but want to chime in that the stupid age
thing is annoying because if I'm not logged in I have to do it EVERY time.
Cookie it so you do it once and it's done whether logged in or not. Also,
I always put in 1999 because it's easy. How many others do the same? Finally,
as to loosing sales: THAT's a thing. I gave my wife a list of sets I want
from Bricklink for Christmas but she refuses to put in her birth year. Says
that's intrusive and too personal. Credit card credentials at the time of
purchase should be sufficient. What other site asks your birth year before being
able to use it? Not Target. Not Amazon. Not Lego itself.
Fix this, PLEASE!!!
They need to know you are an adult before they allow you to place an order. This
is slightly different the other sites you mention as there they take payment
at the time of the order and so some age verification is done at that stage.
It could be shifted to later on so that you cannot checkout without providing
either paypal payment or providing your age if not paying for the order at the
time of placing it. Or maybe just allow anyone to browse while not logged in,
but have age restrictions in place to create an account.
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