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 Author: TobAlt View Messages Posted By TobAlt
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TobAlt (18)

Location:  Germany, Hessen
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Hi I posted this today on the bricklink reddit and I also wanted to share it
here:


"""
Hi, I am very new to the whole Bricklink bubble but I wanted to share my first
impressions with you.

I started my journey on Rebrickable and found a MOC I really liked and wanted
to get the parts. Rebrickable offers a service where you can find shops on rebrickable
that have your desired parts and also shows you the price per shop. I noticed
that the THE.BRICK.TIME seller was almost every time by far the cheapest shop,
so I ordered most of the parts for my first MOC there. I was not happy to see
that the shop would apply nearly 100% as service and shipping fees on my order
when I checked the cart. Rebrickable only showed the part prices without the
fees. I was expecting some shipping fees but not that. I was not willing to check
another shop for that parts because I was layzy so I paid the fees.

Sometime later I found another MOC I wanted to build and the same thing happened.
Rebrickable showed the THE.BRICK.TIME seller again as the cheapest by far but
this time I wanted to take a closer look. So I did no instant checkout, instead
I added all desired parts to a bricklink wishlist and let bricklink search for
the desired parts. Again also bricklink showed me that it would be the cheapest
to buy almost every part at THE.BRICK.TIME shop. Only some missing parts were
put into a shopping cart at another shop.

So I decided to take a closer look at the THE.BRICK.TIME cart. The fees were
again nearly 100% of the part price. I noticed that the bricklink feature to
automatically search for parts from a list also includes used parts if they are
cheaper. I personally have no problem with this if I can save some money and
think this is a good decission. BUT because used parts were also in the cart
I had more cart items so 1x used for 0.03$, 3x used for 0.04$ and 20x new for
0.07$ (all the same brick). I then guessed that the fees are somewhat applied
per cart item and not per brick. I removed the two used items from the cart and
added 4 more new bricks. Technically the brick price should go up by 0.13$ and
it did BUT the overall cart price dropped by over 0.50$ because of the fees.
So I got new unused parts for a cheaper price. I then did this with the whole
cart and also moved avery item that was possible to the other shop. The prices
per brick where higher at the other shop but because the fees were so high an
the other shop had no fees besides from shipping I ended up reducing my initial
order from 150$ to 125$ just by taking only new parts instead of used and new
parts mixed and moving all possible parts to another shop which lists a higher
price. It took over an hour to do that and I was very frustrated after that.

It just seems like shops abuse the automatic functions that are there to help
customers finding the best options to buy it. I am not a legal expert but it
even sounds as it could be illegal (at least in germany) to deceive the customer
in such ways. It says on bricklink and on rebrickable that that shop is the best
and cheapest option but it is by far not. I am also a bit upset that brcklink
does seem to tolerate this. I would expect that either the fees are also taken
into account when calculating the best option for me as a customer or that fees
besides from shipping are not allowed at all and the shop has to include the
fees into the item price itself. I am really considering to inform the german
consumer protection about this.

What are your experiences with those fees? Is there a reason why this is tolerated
by bricklink?
"""


In my opinion this is clearly scamming the whole price comparison features of
rebrickable and bricklink and also is total intransparent for customers.

Also a commenter on the reddit post dug a bit deeper said this:

"""
He absolutely knows what he is doing and is misleading buyers, i would say he
is scamming the system.

In his Terms of Service he states he charges a fee per lot if the average lot
value is below €4,00 per item.

Notice how some of the items on his shop have two different lots, one cheaper
and one expensive. The cheaper lot has a fixed quantity that makes it never exceed
the €4,00 per lot.

Take for example item 3004 in Black, the lot at EUR 0.0743 has only 17 pieces
while the EUR 0.1443 has 33 pieces. This means if you buy the 'cheap'
lot, you'll get hit with this lot fee because it'll never go above €4,00.

If you can take the expensive lot, you get above €4,00 per lot but the item is
TWICE as expensive! In any case he makes you pay the expensive price for this
item as it has only a Bricklink Average price of EUR 0.06.

Any other item that only has one lot in his store are also always to scale so
the qty*price is never above €4,00.
"""
 Author: peregrinator View Messages Posted By peregrinator
 Posted: Nov 4, 2024 05:52
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peregrinator (1088)

Location:  USA, New Jersey
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In Buying, TobAlt writes:
  Hi I posted this today on the bricklink reddit and I also wanted to share it
here

Yes, there are sellers on here who exploit loopholes in the system like this.
I recommend least favoriting them and buying from others who have transparent
prices.
 Author: Dino View Messages Posted By Dino
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Dino (499)

Location:  Luxembourg
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Store: dino's world
Hallo,

jeder Verkäufer ist für seinen Shop selbst verantwortlich. Bricklink stellt lediglich
die Online-Plattform zur Verfügung.
Der Verkäufer nennt alle Nebenkosten in seinen Geschäftsbedingungen. Die Gesamtkosten
sind vor der verbindlichen Bestellung ersichtlich. Eine Beschwerde beim Verbraucherschutz
hat daher wenig Aussicht auf Erfolg.
Daß ich das hier schreibe, bedeutet nicht, daß ich seine Geschäftsgebaren gutheiße.

Gruß
Werner

Ein kleiner Tip: Markiere diesen Shop als "least Favorite". Dann sollte
er bei Deinen Suchen nicht mehr auftauchen. Aber schau Dir vor jedem Kauf die
Geschäftsbedingungen an!
 Author: TobAlt View Messages Posted By TobAlt
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TobAlt (18)

Location:  Germany, Hessen
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In Buying, Dino writes:
  Hallo,

jeder Verkäufer ist für seinen Shop selbst verantwortlich. Bricklink stellt lediglich
die Online-Plattform zur Verfügung.
Der Verkäufer nennt alle Nebenkosten in seinen Geschäftsbedingungen. Die Gesamtkosten
sind vor der verbindlichen Bestellung ersichtlich. Eine Beschwerde beim Verbraucherschutz
hat daher wenig Aussicht auf Erfolg.
Daß ich das hier schreibe, bedeutet nicht, daß ich seine Geschäftsgebaren gutheiße.

Gruß
Werner

Ein kleiner Tip: Markiere diesen Shop als "least Favorite". Dann sollte
er bei Deinen Suchen nicht mehr auftauchen. Aber schau Dir vor jedem Kauf die
Geschäftsbedingungen an!


Naja, der Shop taucht in direkten Preisvergleichen als günstigster Shop auf,
ist in Warheit aber deutlich teurer, eben durch diese versteckten Gebühren. Ich
sehe hier auch eher bricklink in der Verantwortung die Gebühren einzuschließen
oder auf Versand zu beschränken. Dem Käufer wird klar suggeriert, dass es sich
um den günstigsten Shop handel was einfach falsch ist. Hinzu kommt Teile in kleinen
Mengen günstig anzubieten, dann aber durch die Gebühren für LOTs unter 4€ wieder
nachträglich teurer zu machen was den kompletten Preisvergleich sogar für Einzelteile
aushebelt.
 Author: Nubs_Select View Messages Posted By Nubs_Select
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Nubs_Select (4741)

Location:  Canada, Ontario
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Store: Nub's Select
I might have missed some info but In short are you saying that the stores prices
are far below the 6-month average and then the price is mostly charged in fees?
If so then report that remember here
https://www.bricklink.com/problemMember.asp
For fee avoidance since bricklink only charges fees on the items price and not
on additional fees.
 Author: SylvainLS View Messages Posted By SylvainLS
 Posted: Nov 4, 2024 12:04
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Location:  France, Nouvelle-Aquitaine
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In Buying, Nubs_Select writes:
  […]
If so then report that remember here

What does one need to do to be a “remember”?  Quit and come back?
 Author: Nubs_Select View Messages Posted By Nubs_Select
 Posted: Nov 4, 2024 12:08
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Location:  Canada, Ontario
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In Buying, SylvainLS writes:
  In Buying, Nubs_Select writes:
  […]
If so then report that remember here

What does one need to do to be a “remember”?  Quit and come back?

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Location:  Germany, Hessen
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In Buying, Nubs_Select writes:
  I might have missed some info but In short are you saying that the stores prices
are far below the 6-month average and then the price is mostly charged in fees?
If so then report that remember here
https://www.bricklink.com/problemMember.asp
For fee avoidance since bricklink only charges fees on the items price and not
on additional fees.


Thanks, I reported it.
 Author: SezaR View Messages Posted By SezaR
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SezaR (1730)

Location:  Canada, British Columbia
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Store: Sezar's trains
In Buying, Nubs_Select writes:
  I might have missed some info but In short are you saying that the stores prices
are far below the 6-month average and then the price is mostly charged in fees?
If so then report that remember here
https://www.bricklink.com/problemMember.asp
For fee avoidance since bricklink only charges fees on the items price and not
on additional fees.

I tried to check this store do a test with I am stoplisted (9 in total but I
think I know the others ). I had no previous order or contact with them but
it seems they read the forum and found out my true color.

Nubs, now that I have limited options in choosing professional sellers, what
do you suggest me?

P.S. Bricklink does not show you who has stoplisted you, but well, I can still
find them if I want to
 Author: Nubs_Select View Messages Posted By Nubs_Select
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Location:  Canada, Ontario
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Store: Nub's Select
In Buying, SezaR writes:
  In Buying, Nubs_Select writes:
  I might have missed some info but In short are you saying that the stores prices
are far below the 6-month average and then the price is mostly charged in fees?
If so then report that remember here
https://www.bricklink.com/problemMember.asp
For fee avoidance since bricklink only charges fees on the items price and not
on additional fees.

I tried to check this store do a test with I am stoplisted (9 in total but I
think I know the others ). I had no previous order or contact with them but
it seems they read the forum and found out my true color.

they found our your a red and yellow train that masquerades as a human! its a
spooky world!

  
Nubs, now that I have limited options in choosing professional sellers, what
do you suggest me?

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm...
perhaps try local binocular shops!

  
P.S. Bricklink does not show you who has stoplisted you, but well, I can still
find them if I want to

indeed!
 Author: SezaR View Messages Posted By SezaR
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SezaR (1730)

Location:  Canada, British Columbia
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Store: Sezar's trains
In Buying, Nubs_Select writes:
  I might have missed some info but In short are you saying that the stores prices
are far below the 6-month average and then the price is mostly charged in fees?
If so then report that remember here
https://www.bricklink.com/problemMember.asp
For fee avoidance since bricklink only charges fees on the items price and not
on additional fees.

I don't think this store do anything wrong, despite the fact that I am stoplisted
by them for no apparent reason and any previous contact/purchase,... . They
chare fees if the average-lot value is below 4 Euro:

We charge a picking fee for each lot, for orders if the average lot-value
is lower then EUR 4.00. The picking fee is displayed at checkout before the order
is placed (Shipping & Handling).


https://store.bricklink.com/THE.BRICK.TIME?p=THE.BRICK.TIME#/terms

So if buyer has in his cart:

1 x item1, each 1 Euro
1 x teim2, each 6 Euro
(so average lot value will be 7/2=3.5)

There will be additional fees but he can avoid any additional fees if he orders
2 x item1, each 1 Euro
1 x teim2, each 6 Euro
(so average lot value will be 8/2=4)

or if he adds a minifig:
1 x item1, each 1 Euro
1 x teim2, each 6 Euro
1 x minifig, each 10 Euro
(so average lot value will be 17/3=5.66 4)

They are discouraging buyers to order many lots, each low-value. This would require
too much time spent to pick up items from different lots (locations) for little
profit.
 Author: Ziegelmeister View Messages Posted By Ziegelmeister
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Location:  USA, Ohio
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Store: Ziegelmarkt
In Buying, SezaR writes:
  In Buying, Nubs_Select writes:
  I might have missed some info but In short are you saying that the stores prices
are far below the 6-month average and then the price is mostly charged in fees?
If so then report that remember here
https://www.bricklink.com/problemMember.asp
For fee avoidance since bricklink only charges fees on the items price and not
on additional fees.

I don't think this store do anything wrong, despite the fact that I am stoplisted
by them for no apparent reason and any previous contact/purchase,... . They
chare fees if the average-lot value is below 4 Euro:

We charge a picking fee for each lot, for orders if the average lot-value
is lower then EUR 4.00. The picking fee is displayed at checkout before the order
is placed (Shipping & Handling).


https://store.bricklink.com/THE.BRICK.TIME?p=THE.BRICK.TIME#/terms

So if buyer has in his cart:

1 x item1, each 1 Euro
1 x teim2, each 6 Euro
(so average lot value will be 7/2=3.5)

There will be additional fees but he can avoid any additional fees if he orders
2 x item1, each 1 Euro
1 x teim2, each 6 Euro
(so average lot value will be 8/2=4)

or if he adds a minifig:
1 x item1, each 1 Euro
1 x teim2, each 6 Euro
1 x minifig, each 10 Euro
(so average lot value will be 17/3=5.66 4)

They are discouraging buyers to order many lots, each low-value. This would require
too much time spent to pick up items from different lots (locations) for little
profit.

True to a point; I think it's this part at the bottom that is highly suspect:


"Notice how some of the items on his shop have two different lots, one
cheaper
and one expensive. The cheaper lot has a fixed quantity that makes it never exceed
the €4,00 per lot.

Take for example item 3004 in Black, the lot at EUR 0.0743 has only 17 pieces
while the EUR 0.1443 has 33 pieces. This means if you buy the 'cheap'
lot, you'll get hit with this lot fee because it'll never go above €4,00.


If you can take the expensive lot, you get above €4,00 per lot but the item is
TWICE as expensive! In any case he makes you pay the expensive price for this
item as it has only a Bricklink Average price of EUR 0.06.

Any other item that only has one lot in his store are also always to scale so
the qty*price is never above €4,00."


Solid forensic work by the OP to dig in to that. I'm stop listed too so
I can't put them in my cart to check, but on the items page there are multiple
duplicates of the same piece and at different prices that are all kept at quantities
to force the €4,00.
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Location:  Canada, British Columbia
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Store: Sezar's trains
In Buying, Ziegelmeister writes:
  In Buying, SezaR writes:
  In Buying, Nubs_Select writes:
  I might have missed some info but In short are you saying that the stores prices
are far below the 6-month average and then the price is mostly charged in fees?
If so then report that remember here
https://www.bricklink.com/problemMember.asp
For fee avoidance since bricklink only charges fees on the items price and not
on additional fees.

I don't think this store do anything wrong, despite the fact that I am stoplisted
by them for no apparent reason and any previous contact/purchase,... . They
chare fees if the average-lot value is below 4 Euro:

We charge a picking fee for each lot, for orders if the average lot-value
is lower then EUR 4.00. The picking fee is displayed at checkout before the order
is placed (Shipping & Handling).


https://store.bricklink.com/THE.BRICK.TIME?p=THE.BRICK.TIME#/terms

So if buyer has in his cart:

1 x item1, each 1 Euro
1 x teim2, each 6 Euro
(so average lot value will be 7/2=3.5)

There will be additional fees but he can avoid any additional fees if he orders
2 x item1, each 1 Euro
1 x teim2, each 6 Euro
(so average lot value will be 8/2=4)

or if he adds a minifig:
1 x item1, each 1 Euro
1 x teim2, each 6 Euro
1 x minifig, each 10 Euro
(so average lot value will be 17/3=5.66 4)

They are discouraging buyers to order many lots, each low-value. This would require
too much time spent to pick up items from different lots (locations) for little
profit.

True to a point; I think it's this part at the bottom that is highly suspect:


"Notice how some of the items on his shop have two different lots, one
cheaper
and one expensive. The cheaper lot has a fixed quantity that makes it never exceed
the €4,00 per lot.

Take for example item 3004 in Black, the lot at EUR 0.0743 has only 17 pieces
while the EUR 0.1443 has 33 pieces. This means if you buy the 'cheap'
lot, you'll get hit with this lot fee because it'll never go above €4,00.


If you can take the expensive lot, you get above €4,00 per lot but the item is
TWICE as expensive! In any case he makes you pay the expensive price for this
item as it has only a Bricklink Average price of EUR 0.06.

Any other item that only has one lot in his store are also always to scale so
the qty*price is never above €4,00."


Solid forensic work by the OP to dig in to that. I'm stop listed too so
I can't put them in my cart to check, but on the items page there are multiple
duplicates of the same piece and at different prices that are all kept at quantities
to force the €4,00.

I see some parts are listed twice, but not all items. For example white:
 
Part No: 24855  Name: Plant Flower Stem with Bar Holder, Bar, and 3 Stems
* 
24855 Plant Flower Stem with Bar Holder, Bar, and 3 Stems
Parts: Plant {White}

is listed twice:
Quantity: 7 Price: EUR 0.0646
Quantity: 26 Price: EUR 0.2046

The average 6-month sold price is 0.18 Euro

So a buyer can buy 7 quantity at 0.0646 of this item plus one minifig,... and
pay no extra fee? This doesn't seem to help seller. They should accept to
sell a quantity of 7 of that piece for about one third of average sold price.
I cannot say this is a smart way to get sales but perhaps it is a way to make
the store appear on top of the list when buyers search through their wanted-list.
 Author: 1001bricks View Messages Posted By 1001bricks
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Location:  France, Provence-Alpes-Côte d'Azur
Member Since Contact Type Status
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Store: 1001bricks
In Buying, Ziegelmeister writes:
  In Buying, SezaR writes:
  In Buying, Nubs_Select writes:
  I might have missed some info but In short are you saying that the stores prices
are far below the 6-month average and then the price is mostly charged in fees?
If so then report that remember here
https://www.bricklink.com/problemMember.asp
For fee avoidance since bricklink only charges fees on the items price and not
on additional fees.

I don't think this store do anything wrong, despite the fact that I am stoplisted
by them for no apparent reason and any previous contact/purchase,...


Yes, I'm also stop listed there.

Last Cart I tried at every every lot I was adding, the shipping price changed.

Sooo, I just redo it again as of right now (while not connected, not to be stop
listed):

Shopping Cart - 29 items / 13 lots
Shipping & Handling
EUR 11.67

Shopping Cart - 30 items / 14 lots
Shipping & Handling
EUR 11.82

Shopping Cart - 130 items / 15 lots
Shipping & Handling
EUR 15.46

Shopping Cart - 150 items / 16 lots
Shipping & Handling
EUR 15.58

Shopping Cart - 245 items / 19 lots
Shipping & Handling
EUR 17.35

Shopping Cart - 304 items / 22 lots
Shipping & Handling
EUR 17.74

I then added 2 super tiny parts high value (EUR 95.37)
Shopping Cart - 306 items / 23 lots
Shipping & Handling
EUR 17.83

Shopping Cart - 733 items / 26 lots
Shipping & Handling
EUR 22.59

...

In shipping there's a picking fee, or a tax, or pure profit, for every lot
added, small or big.

This is a scam
 Author: 1001bricks View Messages Posted By 1001bricks
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Location:  France, Provence-Alpes-Côte d'Azur
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Store: 1001bricks
And they're lying on their Terms:

We charge a picking fee for each lot, for orders if the average lot-value
is lower then EUR 4.00.


I tried with light expensive parts, for more than 5€/lot average, and the shipping
is still always increasing:

Shopping Cart - 15 items / 5 lots
Item Total
EUR 80.35
Shipping & Handling
EUR 9.82

Shopping Cart - 19 items / 9 lots
Item Total
EUR 114.79
Shipping & Handling
EUR 12.78


Shopping Cart - 21 items / 11 lots
Item Total
EUR 135.13
Shipping & Handling
EUR 15.45


Note 21 items 135€ that's 6.43€ average.

A scam.




In Buying, 1001bricks writes:
  Yes, I'm also stop listed there.

Last Cart I tried at every every lot I was adding, the shipping price changed.

Sooo, I just redo it again as of right now (while not connected, not to be stop
listed):

Shopping Cart - 29 items / 13 lots
Shipping & Handling
EUR 11.67

Shopping Cart - 30 items / 14 lots
Shipping & Handling
EUR 11.82

Shopping Cart - 130 items / 15 lots
Shipping & Handling
EUR 15.46

Shopping Cart - 150 items / 16 lots
Shipping & Handling
EUR 15.58

Shopping Cart - 245 items / 19 lots
Shipping & Handling
EUR 17.35

Shopping Cart - 304 items / 22 lots
Shipping & Handling
EUR 17.74

I then added 2 super tiny parts high value (EUR 95.37)
Shopping Cart - 306 items / 23 lots
Shipping & Handling
EUR 17.83

Shopping Cart - 733 items / 26 lots
Shipping & Handling
EUR 22.59

...

In shipping there's a picking fee, or a tax, or pure profit, for every lot
added, small or big.

This is a scam
 Author: SezaR View Messages Posted By SezaR
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SezaR (1730)

Location:  Canada, British Columbia
Member Since Contact Type Status
Jan 15, 2015 Contact Member Seller
Buying Privileges - OKSelling Privileges - OK
Store: Sezar's trains
I checked further:

Seems there is really 4 Euro per lot average so if your order average price per
lot is above 4uro, no additional costs is applied even if there is a lot 1.2
Euro.

This is legit, isn't it?


In Buying, 1001bricks writes:
  And they're lying on their Terms:

We charge a picking fee for each lot, for orders if the average lot-value
is lower then EUR 4.00.


I tried with light expensive parts, for more than 5€/lot average, and the shipping
is still always increasing:

Shopping Cart - 15 items / 5 lots
Item Total
EUR 80.35
Shipping & Handling
EUR 9.82

Shopping Cart - 19 items / 9 lots
Item Total
EUR 114.79
Shipping & Handling
EUR 12.78


Shopping Cart - 21 items / 11 lots
Item Total
EUR 135.13
Shipping & Handling
EUR 15.45


Note 21 items 135€ that's 6.43€ average.

A scam.




In Buying, 1001bricks writes:
  Yes, I'm also stop listed there.

Last Cart I tried at every every lot I was adding, the shipping price changed.

Sooo, I just redo it again as of right now (while not connected, not to be stop
listed):

Shopping Cart - 29 items / 13 lots
Shipping & Handling
EUR 11.67

Shopping Cart - 30 items / 14 lots
Shipping & Handling
EUR 11.82

Shopping Cart - 130 items / 15 lots
Shipping & Handling
EUR 15.46

Shopping Cart - 150 items / 16 lots
Shipping & Handling
EUR 15.58

Shopping Cart - 245 items / 19 lots
Shipping & Handling
EUR 17.35

Shopping Cart - 304 items / 22 lots
Shipping & Handling
EUR 17.74

I then added 2 super tiny parts high value (EUR 95.37)
Shopping Cart - 306 items / 23 lots
Shipping & Handling
EUR 17.83

Shopping Cart - 733 items / 26 lots
Shipping & Handling
EUR 22.59

...

In shipping there's a picking fee, or a tax, or pure profit, for every lot
added, small or big.

This is a scam
 Author: Nubs_Select View Messages Posted By Nubs_Select
 Posted: Nov 5, 2024 21:28
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Location:  Canada, Ontario
Member Since Contact Type Status
Mar 15, 2016 Contact Member Seller
Buying Privileges - OKSelling Privileges - OK
Store: Nub's Select
In Buying, 1001bricks writes:
  In Buying, Ziegelmeister writes:
  In Buying, SezaR writes:
  In Buying, Nubs_Select writes:
  I might have missed some info but In short are you saying that the stores prices
are far below the 6-month average and then the price is mostly charged in fees?
If so then report that remember here
https://www.bricklink.com/problemMember.asp
For fee avoidance since bricklink only charges fees on the items price and not
on additional fees.

I don't think this store do anything wrong, despite the fact that I am stoplisted
by them for no apparent reason and any previous contact/purchase,...


Yes, I'm also stop listed there.


once again I'm left out 😭😭😭
 Author: Ziegelmeister View Messages Posted By Ziegelmeister
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Location:  USA, Ohio
Member Since Contact Type Status
Aug 27, 2021 Contact Member Seller
Buying Privileges - OKSelling Privileges - OK
Store: Ziegelmarkt
In Buying, Nubs_Select writes:
  In Buying, 1001bricks writes:
  In Buying, Ziegelmeister writes:
  In Buying, SezaR writes:
  In Buying, Nubs_Select writes:
  I might have missed some info but In short are you saying that the stores prices
are far below the 6-month average and then the price is mostly charged in fees?
If so then report that remember here
https://www.bricklink.com/problemMember.asp
For fee avoidance since bricklink only charges fees on the items price and not
on additional fees.

I don't think this store do anything wrong, despite the fact that I am stoplisted
by them for no apparent reason and any previous contact/purchase,...


Yes, I'm also stop listed there.


once again I'm left out 😭😭😭

AND I'M FINALLY ONE OF THE COOL KIDS!!! WOO HOO!!!!
 Author: Nubs_Select View Messages Posted By Nubs_Select
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Nubs_Select (4741)

Location:  Canada, Ontario
Member Since Contact Type Status
Mar 15, 2016 Contact Member Seller
Buying Privileges - OKSelling Privileges - OK
Store: Nub's Select
In Buying, Ziegelmeister writes:
  In Buying, Nubs_Select writes:
  In Buying, 1001bricks writes:
  In Buying, Ziegelmeister writes:
  In Buying, SezaR writes:
  In Buying, Nubs_Select writes:
  I might have missed some info but In short are you saying that the stores prices
are far below the 6-month average and then the price is mostly charged in fees?
If so then report that remember here
https://www.bricklink.com/problemMember.asp
For fee avoidance since bricklink only charges fees on the items price and not
on additional fees.

I don't think this store do anything wrong, despite the fact that I am stoplisted
by them for no apparent reason and any previous contact/purchase,...


Yes, I'm also stop listed there.


once again I'm left out 😭😭😭

AND I'M FINALLY ONE OF THE COOL KIDS!!! WOO HOO!!!!

 Author: SezaR View Messages Posted By SezaR
 Posted: Nov 5, 2024 21:33
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SezaR (1730)

Location:  Canada, British Columbia
Member Since Contact Type Status
Jan 15, 2015 Contact Member Seller
Buying Privileges - OKSelling Privileges - OK
Store: Sezar's trains
In Buying, 1001bricks writes:
  In Buying, Ziegelmeister writes:
  In Buying, SezaR writes:
  In Buying, Nubs_Select writes:
  I might have missed some info but In short are you saying that the stores prices
are far below the 6-month average and then the price is mostly charged in fees?
If so then report that remember here
https://www.bricklink.com/problemMember.asp
For fee avoidance since bricklink only charges fees on the items price and not
on additional fees.

I don't think this store do anything wrong, despite the fact that I am stoplisted
by them for no apparent reason and any previous contact/purchase,...


Yes, I'm also stop listed there.

Last Cart I tried at every every lot I was adding, the shipping price changed.

Sooo, I just redo it again as of right now (while not connected, not to be stop
listed):

Shopping Cart - 29 items / 13 lots
Shipping & Handling
EUR 11.67

Shopping Cart - 30 items / 14 lots
Shipping & Handling
EUR 11.82

Shopping Cart - 130 items / 15 lots
Shipping & Handling
EUR 15.46

Shopping Cart - 150 items / 16 lots
Shipping & Handling
EUR 15.58

Shopping Cart - 245 items / 19 lots
Shipping & Handling
EUR 17.35

Shopping Cart - 304 items / 22 lots
Shipping & Handling
EUR 17.74

I then added 2 super tiny parts high value (EUR 95.37)
Shopping Cart - 306 items / 23 lots
Shipping & Handling
EUR 17.83

Shopping Cart - 733 items / 26 lots
Shipping & Handling
EUR 22.59

...

In shipping there's a picking fee, or a tax, or pure profit, for every lot
added, small or big.

This is a scam

Seems they stoplisted anybody they could!
Now I have strong reasons to find out if they are doing any scam and prove it
to admin. I will see if they can stop me or us doing that or not :d

@Nubs: no worries, I think you will be joined the club pretty soon.
 Author: Nubs_Select View Messages Posted By Nubs_Select
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Nubs_Select (4741)

Location:  Canada, Ontario
Member Since Contact Type Status
Mar 15, 2016 Contact Member Seller
Buying Privileges - OKSelling Privileges - OK
Store: Nub's Select
In Buying, SezaR writes:
  In Buying, 1001bricks writes:
  In Buying, Ziegelmeister writes:
  In Buying, SezaR writes:
  In Buying, Nubs_Select writes:
  I might have missed some info but In short are you saying that the stores prices
are far below the 6-month average and then the price is mostly charged in fees?
If so then report that remember here
https://www.bricklink.com/problemMember.asp
For fee avoidance since bricklink only charges fees on the items price and not
on additional fees.

I don't think this store do anything wrong, despite the fact that I am stoplisted
by them for no apparent reason and any previous contact/purchase,...


Yes, I'm also stop listed there.

Last Cart I tried at every every lot I was adding, the shipping price changed.

Sooo, I just redo it again as of right now (while not connected, not to be stop
listed):

Shopping Cart - 29 items / 13 lots
Shipping & Handling
EUR 11.67

Shopping Cart - 30 items / 14 lots
Shipping & Handling
EUR 11.82

Shopping Cart - 130 items / 15 lots
Shipping & Handling
EUR 15.46

Shopping Cart - 150 items / 16 lots
Shipping & Handling
EUR 15.58

Shopping Cart - 245 items / 19 lots
Shipping & Handling
EUR 17.35

Shopping Cart - 304 items / 22 lots
Shipping & Handling
EUR 17.74

I then added 2 super tiny parts high value (EUR 95.37)
Shopping Cart - 306 items / 23 lots
Shipping & Handling
EUR 17.83

Shopping Cart - 733 items / 26 lots
Shipping & Handling
EUR 22.59

...

In shipping there's a picking fee, or a tax, or pure profit, for every lot
added, small or big.

This is a scam

Seems they stoplisted anybody they could!
Now I have strong reasons to find out if they are doing any scam and prove it
to admin. I will see if they can stop me or us doing that or not :d


interesting to see the results!

  @Nubs: no worries, I think you will be joined the club pretty soon.

looks like I've joined the party!
"Seller refuses service and has placed you on their stop list."
tho now I'm wondering if i mislooked earlier and i was already
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Location:  USA, Illinois
Member Since Contact Type Status
Sep 8, 2009 Contact Member Seller
Buying Privileges - OKSelling Privileges - OK
Store: Old Grey Bricks
In Buying, Nubs_Select writes:

  
  
  In shipping there's a picking fee, or a tax, or pure profit, for every lot
added, small or big.

This is a scam

Seems they stoplisted anybody they could!
Now I have strong reasons to find out if they are doing any scam and prove it
to admin. I will see if they can stop me or us doing that or not :d


interesting to see the results!

  @Nubs: no worries, I think you will be joined the club pretty soon.

looks like I've joined the party!
"Seller refuses service and has placed you on their stop list."
tho now I'm wondering if i mislooked earlier and i was already

All the cool people are on this stop list. This entire thread is TL;DR but can
I join too?

~Jen
 Author: Nubs_Select View Messages Posted By Nubs_Select
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Location:  Canada, Ontario
Member Since Contact Type Status
Mar 15, 2016 Contact Member Seller
Buying Privileges - OKSelling Privileges - OK
Store: Nub's Select
In Buying, jennnifer writes:
  In Buying, Nubs_Select writes:

  
  
  In shipping there's a picking fee, or a tax, or pure profit, for every lot
added, small or big.

This is a scam

Seems they stoplisted anybody they could!
Now I have strong reasons to find out if they are doing any scam and prove it
to admin. I will see if they can stop me or us doing that or not :d


interesting to see the results!

  @Nubs: no worries, I think you will be joined the club pretty soon.

looks like I've joined the party!
"Seller refuses service and has placed you on their stop list."
tho now I'm wondering if i mislooked earlier and i was already

All the cool people are on this stop list. This entire thread is TL;DR but can
I join too?

~Jen

i think the trick is to do the stop list dance and it works! now how did it go...
i think it involves a handstand and possibly a batch of recently washed lego...
 Author: TobAlt View Messages Posted By TobAlt
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Location:  Germany, Hessen
Member Since Contact Type Status
Oct 28, 2024 Contact Member Buyer
Buying Privileges - OK
In Buying, SezaR writes:
  In Buying, Nubs_Select writes:
  I might have missed some info but In short are you saying that the stores prices
are far below the 6-month average and then the price is mostly charged in fees?
If so then report that remember here
https://www.bricklink.com/problemMember.asp
For fee avoidance since bricklink only charges fees on the items price and not
on additional fees.

I don't think this store do anything wrong, despite the fact that I am stoplisted
by them for no apparent reason and any previous contact/purchase,... . They
chare fees if the average-lot value is below 4 Euro:

We charge a picking fee for each lot, for orders if the average lot-value
is lower then EUR 4.00. The picking fee is displayed at checkout before the order
is placed (Shipping & Handling).


https://store.bricklink.com/THE.BRICK.TIME?p=THE.BRICK.TIME#/terms

So if buyer has in his cart:

1 x item1, each 1 Euro
1 x teim2, each 6 Euro
(so average lot value will be 7/2=3.5)

There will be additional fees but he can avoid any additional fees if he orders
2 x item1, each 1 Euro
1 x teim2, each 6 Euro
(so average lot value will be 8/2=4)

or if he adds a minifig:
1 x item1, each 1 Euro
1 x teim2, each 6 Euro
1 x minifig, each 10 Euro
(so average lot value will be 17/3=5.66 4)

They are discouraging buyers to order many lots, each low-value. This would require
too much time spent to pick up items from different lots (locations) for little
profit.


Why is it then that lot's that are available over 4€ in total cost more than
double the price? Also I don't have anything against designing your fees
as you like in general but the shop shows up in every comparison as the cheapest
and this is deceiving customers, especially new ones. Bricklink should just show
the fees included in comparison and this post would be obsolete.
 Author: SezaR View Messages Posted By SezaR
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SezaR (1730)

Location:  Canada, British Columbia
Member Since Contact Type Status
Jan 15, 2015 Contact Member Seller
Buying Privileges - OKSelling Privileges - OK
Store: Sezar's trains
In Buying, TobAlt writes:
  In Buying, SezaR writes:
  In Buying, Nubs_Select writes:
  I might have missed some info but In short are you saying that the stores prices
are far below the 6-month average and then the price is mostly charged in fees?
If so then report that remember here
https://www.bricklink.com/problemMember.asp
For fee avoidance since bricklink only charges fees on the items price and not
on additional fees.

I don't think this store do anything wrong, despite the fact that I am stoplisted
by them for no apparent reason and any previous contact/purchase,... . They
chare fees if the average-lot value is below 4 Euro:

We charge a picking fee for each lot, for orders if the average lot-value
is lower then EUR 4.00. The picking fee is displayed at checkout before the order
is placed (Shipping & Handling).


https://store.bricklink.com/THE.BRICK.TIME?p=THE.BRICK.TIME#/terms

So if buyer has in his cart:

1 x item1, each 1 Euro
1 x teim2, each 6 Euro
(so average lot value will be 7/2=3.5)

There will be additional fees but he can avoid any additional fees if he orders
2 x item1, each 1 Euro
1 x teim2, each 6 Euro
(so average lot value will be 8/2=4)

or if he adds a minifig:
1 x item1, each 1 Euro
1 x teim2, each 6 Euro
1 x minifig, each 10 Euro
(so average lot value will be 17/3=5.66 4)

They are discouraging buyers to order many lots, each low-value. This would require
too much time spent to pick up items from different lots (locations) for little
profit.


Why is it then that lot's that are available over 4€ in total cost more than
double the price? Also I don't have anything against designing your fees
as you like in general

"You"? Seems you are confused. The seller you mentioned is THE.BRICK.TIME
and it is a store in Germany. My user Id is SezaR and I am in Canada. I never
bought from this Germany store and don't know them. If you read the whole
thread, you find out this seller has stoplisted me and a few other cool people
that frequently write on the forum

   but the shop shows up in every comparison as the cheapest
and this is deceiving customers, especially new ones. Bricklink should just show
the fees included in comparison and this post would be obsolete.

So you expect a system that shows you the total cost of items before you choose
and add the parts you want from that store and give you all costs (I guess including
shipping costs, PayPal fees if any,....) at once so that you get to choose the
cheapest option with one click? Do you realize how complicated this is to write
its code in a way that works quick and seamlessly? Otherwise customers will be
deceived? Then, in order for this to work, all sellers should create a perfect
"instant checkout", that works perfectly for any choice of parts (weight
and size) and seller should have about 100 shipping methods for all international
countries to where he sells. This requires for seller to have access to shipping
costs but many shipping companies don't give even this.
To make it short, what you expect is so difficult and unrealistic to implement
and cannot be done by bricklink or by any marketplace.

Bricklink has the highest number of buyers and it is the largest marketplace
to trade used and new Lego parts and sets,... I am not sure if they should be
worried.
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Location:  United Kingdom, England
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Store Closed Store: Yorbricks
  So you expect a system that shows you the total cost of items before you choose
and add the parts you want from that store and give you all costs (I guess including
shipping costs, PayPal fees if any,....) at once so that you get to choose the
cheapest option with one click? Do you realize how complicated this is to write
its code in a way that works quick and seamlessly? Otherwise customers will be
deceived? Then, in order for this to work, all sellers should create a perfect
"instant checkout", that works perfectly for any choice of parts (weight
and size) and seller should have about 100 shipping methods for all international
countries to where he sells. This requires for seller to have access to shipping
costs but many shipping companies don't give even this.
To make it short, what you expect is so difficult and unrealistic to implement
and cannot be done by bricklink or by any marketplace.

It would also be very complicated to even display a price when browsing. Do they
show the price for one item, the discounted price if there are volume discounts,
the price with S&H, the price with lot fees based on what is in your cart, the
price with lot fees based on what AI thinks you are likely to order, etc.

I find reading terms when entering a store before building a cart (and definitely
before placing any wants list orders), and least favouriting stores that you
are not comfortable with, is the way to go.
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Location:  USA, New Jersey
Member Since Contact Type Status
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Store: Faber Family Bricks
In Buying, SezaR writes:
  In Buying, TobAlt writes:
  Why is it then that lot's that are available over 4€ in total cost more than
double the price? Also I don't have anything against designing your fees
as you like in general

"You"? Seems you are confused. The seller you mentioned is THE.BRICK.TIME
and it is a store in Germany. My user Id is SezaR and I am in Canada. I never
bought from this Germany store and don't know them. If you read the whole
thread, you find out this seller has stoplisted me and a few other cool people
that frequently write on the forum

I think the OP means the indefinite "you" (in French one would use "on"
for this, I think).
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Location:  Germany, Hessen
Member Since Contact Type Status
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In Buying, SezaR writes:
  In Buying, TobAlt writes:
  In Buying, SezaR writes:
  In Buying, Nubs_Select writes:
  I might have missed some info but In short are you saying that the stores prices
are far below the 6-month average and then the price is mostly charged in fees?
If so then report that remember here
https://www.bricklink.com/problemMember.asp
For fee avoidance since bricklink only charges fees on the items price and not
on additional fees.

I don't think this store do anything wrong, despite the fact that I am stoplisted
by them for no apparent reason and any previous contact/purchase,... . They
chare fees if the average-lot value is below 4 Euro:

We charge a picking fee for each lot, for orders if the average lot-value
is lower then EUR 4.00. The picking fee is displayed at checkout before the order
is placed (Shipping & Handling).


https://store.bricklink.com/THE.BRICK.TIME?p=THE.BRICK.TIME#/terms

So if buyer has in his cart:

1 x item1, each 1 Euro
1 x teim2, each 6 Euro
(so average lot value will be 7/2=3.5)

There will be additional fees but he can avoid any additional fees if he orders
2 x item1, each 1 Euro
1 x teim2, each 6 Euro
(so average lot value will be 8/2=4)

or if he adds a minifig:
1 x item1, each 1 Euro
1 x teim2, each 6 Euro
1 x minifig, each 10 Euro
(so average lot value will be 17/3=5.66 4)

They are discouraging buyers to order many lots, each low-value. This would require
too much time spent to pick up items from different lots (locations) for little
profit.


Why is it then that lot's that are available over 4€ in total cost more than
double the price? Also I don't have anything against designing your fees
as you like in general

"You"? Seems you are confused. The seller you mentioned is THE.BRICK.TIME
and it is a store in Germany. My user Id is SezaR and I am in Canada. I never
bought from this Germany store and don't know them. If you read the whole
thread, you find out this seller has stoplisted me and a few other cool people
that frequently write on the forum

   but the shop shows up in every comparison as the cheapest
and this is deceiving customers, especially new ones. Bricklink should just show
the fees included in comparison and this post would be obsolete.

So you expect a system that shows you the total cost of items before you choose
and add the parts you want from that store and give you all costs (I guess including
shipping costs, PayPal fees if any,....) at once so that you get to choose the
cheapest option with one click? Do you realize how complicated this is to write
its code in a way that works quick and seamlessly? Otherwise customers will be
deceived? Then, in order for this to work, all sellers should create a perfect
"instant checkout", that works perfectly for any choice of parts (weight
and size) and seller should have about 100 shipping methods for all international
countries to where he sells. This requires for seller to have access to shipping
costs but many shipping companies don't give even this.
To make it short, what you expect is so difficult and unrealistic to implement
and cannot be done by bricklink or by any marketplace.

Bricklink has the highest number of buyers and it is the largest marketplace
to trade used and new Lego parts and sets,... I am not sure if they should be
worried.

I am of course not talking about shipping fees. But if you have a function like
an official compare then it should include fees besides from payment or shipping
fees. You cannot simply compare the price per brick if there are fees per lots.
This discriminates against other shops that include their handling fees in the
price per brick. Imagine going to a big comparison tool licke check24 or idealo
(don't know about canadian tools for that) and compare a product and every
store would add a random fee to it which is not displayed.

So I could open a shop on Bricklik, set every brick price to 0,0001 cent and
then take 3€ per lot and have only 10 items per lot max. Would you find that
intuitive, would you find it fair that most traffic from the comparison tool
would come to my shop?
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Location:  Canada, British Columbia
Member Since Contact Type Status
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Store: Sezar's trains
In Buying, TobAlt writes:
  In Buying, SezaR writes:
  In Buying, TobAlt writes:
  In Buying, SezaR writes:
  In Buying, Nubs_Select writes:
  I might have missed some info but In short are you saying that the stores prices
are far below the 6-month average and then the price is mostly charged in fees?
If so then report that remember here
https://www.bricklink.com/problemMember.asp
For fee avoidance since bricklink only charges fees on the items price and not
on additional fees.

I don't think this store do anything wrong, despite the fact that I am stoplisted
by them for no apparent reason and any previous contact/purchase,... . They
chare fees if the average-lot value is below 4 Euro:

We charge a picking fee for each lot, for orders if the average lot-value
is lower then EUR 4.00. The picking fee is displayed at checkout before the order
is placed (Shipping & Handling).


https://store.bricklink.com/THE.BRICK.TIME?p=THE.BRICK.TIME#/terms

So if buyer has in his cart:

1 x item1, each 1 Euro
1 x teim2, each 6 Euro
(so average lot value will be 7/2=3.5)

There will be additional fees but he can avoid any additional fees if he orders
2 x item1, each 1 Euro
1 x teim2, each 6 Euro
(so average lot value will be 8/2=4)

or if he adds a minifig:
1 x item1, each 1 Euro
1 x teim2, each 6 Euro
1 x minifig, each 10 Euro
(so average lot value will be 17/3=5.66 4)

They are discouraging buyers to order many lots, each low-value. This would require
too much time spent to pick up items from different lots (locations) for little
profit.


Why is it then that lot's that are available over 4€ in total cost more than
double the price? Also I don't have anything against designing your fees
as you like in general

"You"? Seems you are confused. The seller you mentioned is THE.BRICK.TIME
and it is a store in Germany. My user Id is SezaR and I am in Canada. I never
bought from this Germany store and don't know them. If you read the whole
thread, you find out this seller has stoplisted me and a few other cool people
that frequently write on the forum

   but the shop shows up in every comparison as the cheapest
and this is deceiving customers, especially new ones. Bricklink should just show
the fees included in comparison and this post would be obsolete.

So you expect a system that shows you the total cost of items before you choose
and add the parts you want from that store and give you all costs (I guess including
shipping costs, PayPal fees if any,....) at once so that you get to choose the
cheapest option with one click? Do you realize how complicated this is to write
its code in a way that works quick and seamlessly? Otherwise customers will be
deceived? Then, in order for this to work, all sellers should create a perfect
"instant checkout", that works perfectly for any choice of parts (weight
and size) and seller should have about 100 shipping methods for all international
countries to where he sells. This requires for seller to have access to shipping
costs but many shipping companies don't give even this.
To make it short, what you expect is so difficult and unrealistic to implement
and cannot be done by bricklink or by any marketplace.

Bricklink has the highest number of buyers and it is the largest marketplace
to trade used and new Lego parts and sets,... I am not sure if they should be
worried.

I am of course not talking about shipping fees. But if you have a function like
an official compare then it should include fees besides from payment or shipping
fees. You cannot simply compare the price per brick if there are fees per lots.
This discriminates against other shops that include their handling fees in the
price per brick. Imagine going to a big comparison tool licke check24 or idealo
(don't know about canadian tools for that) and compare a product and every
store would add a random fee to it which is not displayed.

As I explained, this is a difficult thing to implement and make it work properly.
If you think you can do it, I tell you it is a great business idea and you will
be multi-millionaire.
And yes, you need to make sure shipping costs are implemented too. A seller can
include fees as part of shipping costs, or charge extra for a higher profit in
terms of shipping costs. Two German seller: one charges 5 Euro for shipping 50gr
Lego, the other charges 15 Euro. Are they going to be the same?

  
So I could open a shop on Bricklik, set every brick price to 0,0001 cent and
then take 3€ per lot and have only 10 items per lot max.

If a store does this, it is called "fee-avoidance" and these stores don't
tend to last long. In general, only stores that can satisfy customers can continue
selling and being successful.
Many stores has average-lot fee or average-lot limit. Sellers NEED to have this
to protect themselves:
- A buyer orders 1000 items, each a single lot so 1000 lots, each 0.01 Euro.
Total would be 10 Euro but it takes 2 hours to pick-up the order. So that unfortunate
seller works 2 hours for a small order and perhaps for a profit of like 2 Euro.
IF this seller continues getting many of these orders, he would lose money and
soon cannot pay rent and has to close his shop. Period.
- A second buyer orders one lot of quantity 1000 each 0.01 Euro. In this case,
the average-lot is 10 Euro. It takes like 1-2 minute for the seller to pick-up
the order and he would be happy with that.

average-lot limit: I have this on my store. If the average-lot value of your
cart is lower that the limit I set, you cannot submit an order.

average-lot fee: That store you mentioned has this. If the average-lot is low,
you can submit your order but you have to pay extra fees.

I checked this German store with various items, and didn't see any problem.

If you consider continue buying on Bricklink, there is a learning curve involved.
You should learn how to find good stores, or stores that you are ok with (check
feedbacks received and left, read their terms,...), and if you don't like
a store, you can "dislike" its shop and it won't appear in your search
results any more. For example, if you don't want to order from a store that
charges fees for lot-average, dislike him and you won't order from him anymore.
I personally don't order (in general) from a store who charges a percentage
over total (like 5%), as handling fees or PayPal fees.


  Would you find that
intuitive, would you find it fair that most traffic from the comparison tool
would come to my shop?
 Author: 1001bricks View Messages Posted By 1001bricks
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Location:  France, Provence-Alpes-Côte d'Azur
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Store: 1001bricks
In Buying, SezaR writes:

  average-lot fee: That store you mentioned has this. If the average-lot is low,
you can submit your order but you have to pay extra fees.

I checked this German store with various items, and didn't see any problem.

Who?
THE.BRICK.TIME? Not any problem?

See my posts, there are fees for every lot added to the Cart, whatever the average
or lot value is:
https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1492919
https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1492917

And it doesn't correspond to their Terms.
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Location:  Canada, British Columbia
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Store: Sezar's trains
In Buying, 1001bricks writes:
  In Buying, SezaR writes:

  average-lot fee: That store you mentioned has this. If the average-lot is low,
you can submit your order but you have to pay extra fees.

I checked this German store with various items, and didn't see any problem.

Who?
THE.BRICK.TIME? Not any problem?

See my posts, there are fees for every lot added to the Cart, whatever the average
or lot value is:
https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1492919
https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1492917

And it doesn't correspond to their Terms.

See also my response to your post:
https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1492925

and screen shots attached.
 


 Author: 1001bricks View Messages Posted By 1001bricks
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Location:  France, Provence-Alpes-Côte d'Azur
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Store: 1001bricks
In Buying, SezaR writes:
  In Buying, 1001bricks writes:
  In Buying, SezaR writes:

  average-lot fee: That store you mentioned has this. If the average-lot is low,
you can submit your order but you have to pay extra fees.

I checked this German store with various items, and didn't see any problem.

Who?
THE.BRICK.TIME? Not any problem?

See my posts, there are fees for every lot added to the Cart, whatever the average
or lot value is:
https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1492919
https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1492917

And it doesn't correspond to their Terms.

See also my response to your post:
https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1492925

and screen shots attached.

Maybe it was luck? I tried with many lots (up to 50).
Maybe because Canada?

Here is with almost 10€ per lot avg, shipping 9.82€:
https://snipboard.io/UBLJc6.jpg

Now simply add 1 in quantity the last lot (so, same number of lot), shipping
12.48€:
https://snipboard.io/xzZr2p.jpg

It makes no sense.
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Here is with almost 10€ per lot avg, shipping 9.82€:
https://snipboard.io/UBLJc6.jpg

Now simply add 1 in quantity the last lot (so, same number of lot), shipping
12.48€:
https://snipboard.io/xzZr2p.jpg

It makes no sense.

Maybe it goes into another shipping band. Does it go up the same amount when
a similar weight of parts is added to other lots?
 Author: 1001bricks View Messages Posted By 1001bricks
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Location:  France, Provence-Alpes-Côte d'Azur
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Store: 1001bricks
In Buying, yorbrick writes:
  
  
Here is with almost 10€ per lot avg, shipping 9.82€:
https://snipboard.io/UBLJc6.jpg

Now simply add 1 in quantity the last lot (so, same number of lot), shipping
12.48€:
https://snipboard.io/xzZr2p.jpg

It makes no sense.

Maybe it goes into another shipping band. Does it go up the same amount when
a similar weight of parts is added to other lots?

Just try it?

Shipping increases every (or almost) lot you're adding to the cart.

I added only Minifigures, at something like 4g weight: you can't have a shipping
band every 4g!

Same cart as pics above, 12 items / 11 lots, EUR 128.21 (more than 10€ / lot),
shipping is
EUR 17.83...

It's just pure a systematic work or profit fee.
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Location:  USA, New Jersey
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Store: Faber Family Bricks
In Buying, 1001bricks writes:
  Shipping increases every (or almost) lot you're adding to the cart.

I added only Minifigures, at something like 4g weight: you can't have a shipping
band every 4g!

Same cart as pics above, 12 items / 11 lots, EUR 128.21 (more than 10€ / lot),
shipping is
EUR 17.83...

It's just pure a systematic work or profit fee.

I just tried it an S&H went up by 1 EUR for every 2-3 minifigs added (but I was
trying to keep things simple by increasing quantities from the same lot - makes
it a lot easier to edit the cart and see results immediately).
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Location:  Germany, Mecklenburg-Vorpommern
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Store Closed Store: My Brick Stuff
In Buying, 1001bricks writes:
  In shipping there's a picking fee, or a tax, or pure profit, for every lot
added, small or big.

This is a scam

In Buying, 1001bricks writes:
  And they're lying on their Terms:

We charge a picking fee for each lot, for orders if the average lot-value
is lower then EUR 4.00.

I tried with light expensive parts, for more than 5€/lot average, and the shipping
is still always increasing:

Note 21 items 135€ that's 6.43€ average.

A scam.

In Buying, 1001bricks writes:
  It makes no sense.

In Buying, 1001bricks writes:
  It's just pure a systematic work or profit fee.


Just a question.
Are you commissioned by Bricklink to check other stores?
What exactly is your job here in the forum?
To badmouth other stores and present your own store as the best?
Not only in this message, but also in many others, this can be seen.
When I look at these statistics, I have a very bad feeling:
https://www.bricklink.com/messageStats.asp?utm_content=subnav
There seems to be a very one-sided communication here by a few users, some of
whom are sellers themselves. It's all very curious here. And Bricklink seems
to tolerate this.
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Location:  Canada, Alberta
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In Buying, minifig.only writes:
  In Buying, 1001bricks writes:
  In shipping there's a picking fee, or a tax, or pure profit, for every lot
added, small or big.

This is a scam

In Buying, 1001bricks writes:
  And they're lying on their Terms:

We charge a picking fee for each lot, for orders if the average lot-value
is lower then EUR 4.00.

I tried with light expensive parts, for more than 5€/lot average, and the shipping
is still always increasing:

Note 21 items 135€ that's 6.43€ average.

A scam.

In Buying, 1001bricks writes:
  It makes no sense.

In Buying, 1001bricks writes:
  It's just pure a systematic work or profit fee.


Just a question.
Are you commissioned by Bricklink to check other stores?
What exactly is your job here in the forum?
To badmouth other stores and present your own store as the best?
Not only in this message, but also in many others, this can be seen.
When I look at these statistics, I have a very bad feeling:
https://www.bricklink.com/messageStats.asp?utm_content=subnav
There seems to be a very one-sided communication here by a few users, some of
whom are sellers themselves. It's all very curious here. And Bricklink seems
to tolerate this.

Some users are very active on the forum there is nothing wrong with that.

But if you actually read the thread is about a store having very low part prices
but then adding a bunch of fees (nowhere in the terms does the seller state how
much the fee is either).

So people are now checking out the store to see if that store is actually breaking
the ToS and if that seller should be reported for Fee avoidance. Since sellers
only pay a fee to bricklink for the part value not any shipping/lot fees the
seller charges.
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Location:  Canada, Ontario
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Store: Nub's Select
In Buying, RebelliousBrick writes:
  In Buying, minifig.only writes:
  In Buying, 1001bricks writes:
  In shipping there's a picking fee, or a tax, or pure profit, for every lot
added, small or big.

This is a scam

In Buying, 1001bricks writes:
  And they're lying on their Terms:

We charge a picking fee for each lot, for orders if the average lot-value
is lower then EUR 4.00.

I tried with light expensive parts, for more than 5€/lot average, and the shipping
is still always increasing:

Note 21 items 135€ that's 6.43€ average.

A scam.

In Buying, 1001bricks writes:
  It makes no sense.

In Buying, 1001bricks writes:
  It's just pure a systematic work or profit fee.


Just a question.
Are you commissioned by Bricklink to check other stores?
What exactly is your job here in the forum?
To badmouth other stores and present your own store as the best?
Not only in this message, but also in many others, this can be seen.
When I look at these statistics, I have a very bad feeling:
https://www.bricklink.com/messageStats.asp?utm_content=subnav
There seems to be a very one-sided communication here by a few users, some of
whom are sellers themselves. It's all very curious here. And Bricklink seems
to tolerate this.

Some users are very active on the forum there is nothing wrong with that.

But if you actually read the thread is about a store having very low part prices
but then adding a bunch of fees (nowhere in the terms does the seller state how
much the fee is either).

So people are now checking out the store to see if that store is actually breaking
the ToS and if that seller should be reported for Fee avoidance. Since sellers
only pay a fee to bricklink for the part value not any shipping/lot fees the
seller charges.

+1. And since the forum is used by so few people, even if our results end up
inconclusive, no stores reputations are harmed in any realistic way as the only
people who could end up with different opinions is the 0.001% (Aproxx) of users
who use the forum
 Author: Saitobricks.ca View Messages Posted By Saitobricks.ca
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Location:  Canada, Ontario
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Store Closed Store: Unlicensed Brick
In Buying, Nubs_Select writes:
  In Buying, RebelliousBrick writes:
  In Buying, minifig.only writes:
  In Buying, 1001bricks writes:
  In shipping there's a picking fee, or a tax, or pure profit, for every lot
added, small or big.

This is a scam

In Buying, 1001bricks writes:
  And they're lying on their Terms:

We charge a picking fee for each lot, for orders if the average lot-value
is lower then EUR 4.00.

I tried with light expensive parts, for more than 5€/lot average, and the shipping
is still always increasing:

Note 21 items 135€ that's 6.43€ average.

A scam.

In Buying, 1001bricks writes:
  It makes no sense.

In Buying, 1001bricks writes:
  It's just pure a systematic work or profit fee.


Just a question.
Are you commissioned by Bricklink to check other stores?
What exactly is your job here in the forum?
To badmouth other stores and present your own store as the best?
Not only in this message, but also in many others, this can be seen.
When I look at these statistics, I have a very bad feeling:
https://www.bricklink.com/messageStats.asp?utm_content=subnav
There seems to be a very one-sided communication here by a few users, some of
whom are sellers themselves. It's all very curious here. And Bricklink seems
to tolerate this.

Some users are very active on the forum there is nothing wrong with that.

But if you actually read the thread is about a store having very low part prices
but then adding a bunch of fees (nowhere in the terms does the seller state how
much the fee is either).

So people are now checking out the store to see if that store is actually breaking
the ToS and if that seller should be reported for Fee avoidance. Since sellers
only pay a fee to bricklink for the part value not any shipping/lot fees the
seller charges.

+1. And since the forum is used by so few people, even if our results end up
inconclusive, no stores reputations are harmed in any realistic way as the only
people who could end up with different opinions is the 0.001% (Aproxx) of users
who use the forum

Even if that many users are turned negatively towards a store, the likelihood
of that user ever even ordering from them before is very low, not to mention
everyone should be able to make up their own mind on whether or not what is said
is true
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Location:  France, Provence-Alpes-Côte d'Azur
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Store: 1001bricks
In Buying, minifig.only writes:
  In Buying, 1001bricks writes:
  In shipping there's a picking fee, or a tax, or pure profit, for every lot
added, small or big.

This is a scam

In Buying, 1001bricks writes:
  And they're lying on their Terms:

We charge a picking fee for each lot, for orders if the average lot-value
is lower then EUR 4.00.

I tried with light expensive parts, for more than 5€/lot average, and the shipping
is still always increasing:

Note 21 items 135€ that's 6.43€ average.

A scam.

In Buying, 1001bricks writes:
  It makes no sense.

In Buying, 1001bricks writes:
  It's just pure a systematic work or profit fee.


Just a question.
Are you commissioned by Bricklink to check other stores?
What exactly is your job here in the forum?



A (especially) professional shop can be discussed by the public in BrickLink
and the whole internet (in social medias for example).

There's no Law that forbids this, and there's thousands of sites where
people talk freely about companies.

We people here discuss various subjects including scammers but other subjects,
and we're maybe 0.001% of BrickLink members, so it doesn't have a direct
impact on anything.

But be sure nobody in forum have any interest to bash another shop.

However, as a Community, we're all impacted by members quiting BrickLink
with anger and making bad publicty of it, after being scammed in a shop.

That's it I guess.
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In Buying, minifig.only writes:
  In Buying, 1001bricks writes:
  In shipping there's a picking fee, or a tax, or pure profit, for every lot
added, small or big.

This is a scam

In Buying, 1001bricks writes:
  And they're lying on their Terms:

We charge a picking fee for each lot, for orders if the average lot-value
is lower then EUR 4.00.

I tried with light expensive parts, for more than 5€/lot average, and the shipping
is still always increasing:

Note 21 items 135€ that's 6.43€ average.

A scam.

In Buying, 1001bricks writes:
  It makes no sense.

In Buying, 1001bricks writes:
  It's just pure a systematic work or profit fee.


Just a question.
Are you commissioned by Bricklink to check other stores?
What exactly is your job here in the forum?
To badmouth other stores and present your own store as the best?
Not only in this message, but also in many others, this can be seen.
When I look at these statistics, I have a very bad feeling:
https://www.bricklink.com/messageStats.asp?utm_content=subnav
There seems to be a very one-sided communication here by a few users, some of
whom are sellers themselves. It's all very curious here. And Bricklink seems
to tolerate this.

Someone (not one of the mentioned posters) brought up a valid point about an
EXTREMLEY odd occurrence in a store...what makes it wrong to discuss it?
After all, the BrickLink forum is the forum for BrickLink (lol), so why not discuss
some internal workings?
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Location:  USA, Texas
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Store: Brayden's Bricks
In Buying, minifig.only writes:
  In Buying, 1001bricks writes:
  In shipping there's a picking fee, or a tax, or pure profit, for every lot
added, small or big.

This is a scam

In Buying, 1001bricks writes:
  And they're lying on their Terms:

We charge a picking fee for each lot, for orders if the average lot-value
is lower then EUR 4.00.

I tried with light expensive parts, for more than 5€/lot average, and the shipping
is still always increasing:

Note 21 items 135€ that's 6.43€ average.

A scam.

In Buying, 1001bricks writes:
  It makes no sense.

In Buying, 1001bricks writes:
  It's just pure a systematic work or profit fee.


Just a question.
Are you commissioned by Bricklink to check other stores?
What exactly is your job here in the forum?
To badmouth other stores and present your own store as the best?
Not only in this message, but also in many others, this can be seen.
When I look at these statistics, I have a very bad feeling:
https://www.bricklink.com/messageStats.asp?utm_content=subnav
There seems to be a very one-sided communication here by a few users, some of
whom are sellers themselves. It's all very curious here. And Bricklink seems
to tolerate this.

Having a discussion that impacts Bricklink buyers is part of what this discussion
forum is for. Bad actors should not be tolerated because it affects other sellers
when buyers leave the platform in frusteration.
 Author: SezaR View Messages Posted By SezaR
 Posted: Nov 7, 2024 17:49
 Subject: You seriously stoplisted me for this reason?!
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Location:  Canada, British Columbia
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Jan 15, 2015 Contact Member Seller
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Store: Sezar's trains
In Buying, minifig.only writes:
  In Buying, 1001bricks writes:
  In shipping there's a picking fee, or a tax, or pure profit, for every lot
added, small or big.

This is a scam

In Buying, 1001bricks writes:
  And they're lying on their Terms:

We charge a picking fee for each lot, for orders if the average lot-value
is lower then EUR 4.00.

I tried with light expensive parts, for more than 5€/lot average, and the shipping
is still always increasing:

Note 21 items 135€ that's 6.43€ average.

A scam.

In Buying, 1001bricks writes:
  It makes no sense.

In Buying, 1001bricks writes:
  It's just pure a systematic work or profit fee.


Just a question.
Are you commissioned by Bricklink to check other stores?
What exactly is your job here in the forum?
To badmouth other stores and present your own store as the best?
Not only in this message, but also in many others, this can be seen.
When I look at these statistics, I have a very bad feeling:
https://www.bricklink.com/messageStats.asp?utm_content=subnav

Not that I consider to buy from you or you stoplisting me has any impact on me,
but if you really read the whole thread (and some of my other posts) and decided
I am (and a few others?) are problem-maker people for Bricklink, it's ridiculous
and childish. Did you really think enough to make a decision that we are bad
guys here?

If I find a bad seller, who does something that he should not, I certainly make
it public, report it to bricklink,... because that is what makes the quality
of this marketplace higher and makes the shopping experience of buyers good so
they return to bricklink.

I don't know what to tell you to say how wrong you are but here are a few
more things:

- I have parts worth about $50k that I can list which generates many sells and
money but instead I took some time to write on the forum.

- One of the reason I am high on this forum statistics is because I spend lots
of time correcting inventory of sets, taking photos, adding parts, improving
catalog,... . See the statistics of inventory requests (the main reason I am
top in the list)
https://www.bricklink.com/messageStats.asp?topicID=28&statPeriod=

- We’re all regulars in the BrickLink catalog, you and me both! And yet, as a
thank you for my loyalty and contribuation, you went ahead and stoplisted me!
What a lovely gesture! 😂
And yes, I have been paid to do all these contributions and the amount of money
I received from Bricklink is ZERO DOLLAR. To be more precise, I spend some money
in certain cases to not only I am not being paid, I spent out of my own pocket,
to get the part or set and add it to bricklink.

- I am also a buyer and have bought so far about 140 times on bricklink.

- Despite what you might assume, many BrickLink sellers support each other in
various ways—purchasing from one another, helping each other out, and even testing
each other’s stores. Viewing other sellers as only competitors who are out to
hinder your sales can be limiting. Not everyone shares this viewpoint. 😊

- In fact, if you read the thread carefully, you'll see that I was actually
supporting that seller, clarifying that their extra fees were charged correctly.
This was despite the fact that they’ve stoplisted me and some other supportive
members of the forum for reasons that aren’t entirely clear. It’s disappointing
when well-intentioned actions are met with such strange reactions.

If there was any doubt, I can assure you—I won’t be purchasing from someone who
approaches things this way.

  There seems to be a very one-sided communication here by a few users, some of
whom are sellers themselves. It's all very curious here. And Bricklink seems
to tolerate this.

BrickLink forums are open for all to participate. Everyone is free to join the
conversation, making it as multi-sided (even 247-sided!) as we choose to make
it. 😊

** Other people in the list: Nubs_Select, 1001bricks, SylvainLS, yorbrick,....
you might want to check if you are stoplisted too
His store is closed so click on 'contact' icon in his forum post:
https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1493142

you might want to check if he stoplisted you too.

** This post and his reason for stoplisting was crazy. To make it right, I am
going to submit a crazy inventory change request: adding a minifig for a set
from 1978 (the very fist year minifig was produced and sold)

https://www.bricklink.com/messageThread.asp?ID=364001&nID=1493196
 Author: Nubs_Select View Messages Posted By Nubs_Select
 Posted: Nov 7, 2024 17:55
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Location:  Canada, Ontario
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Mar 15, 2016 Contact Member Seller
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Store: Nub's Select
  ** Other people in the list: Nubs_Select, 1001bricks, SylvainLS, yorbrick,....
you might want to check if you are stoplisted too
His store is closed so click on 'contact' icon in his forum post:
https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1493142

you might want to check if he stoplisted you too.

yay! Im not left out this time!

  
** This post and his reason for stoplisting was crazy. To make it right, I am
going to submit a crazy inventory change request: adding a minifig for a set
from 1978 (the very fist year minifig was produced and sold)

https://www.bricklink.com/messageThread.asp?ID=364001&nID=1493196

an exciting request!
 Author: SezaR View Messages Posted By SezaR
 Posted: Nov 7, 2024 18:20
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Location:  Canada, British Columbia
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Store: Sezar's trains
In Buying, Nubs_Select writes:
  
  ** Other people in the list: Nubs_Select, 1001bricks, SylvainLS, yorbrick,....
you might want to check if you are stoplisted too
His store is closed so click on 'contact' icon in his forum post:
https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1493142

you might want to check if he stoplisted you too.

yay! Im not left out this time!

"You’re such a bad person—people in Germany figured it out too! 😆
As a fellow seller and your fierce competitor, I’ll admit it: we’re constantly
badmouthing each other via public forum, or private communication, throwing snowballs
at each other and also at each other’s shops, hoping to close them down, even
if just for a moment, so we can steal each other’s customers! Oh I hate you Nubs_select
but let's admit: After all these years, people have finally uncovered our
true colors! 😂"

  
  
** This post and his reason for stoplisting was crazy. To make it right, I am
going to submit a crazy inventory change request: adding a minifig for a set
from 1978 (the very fist year minifig was produced and sold)

https://www.bricklink.com/messageThread.asp?ID=364001&nID=1493196

an exciting request!
 Author: Saitobricks.ca View Messages Posted By Saitobricks.ca
 Posted: Nov 7, 2024 18:25
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(was Saitobricksca)

Location:  Canada, Ontario
Member Since Contact Type Status
Aug 28, 2021 Contact Member Seller
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Store Closed Store: Unlicensed Brick
In Buying, SezaR writes:
  In Buying, Nubs_Select writes:
  
  ** Other people in the list: Nubs_Select, 1001bricks, SylvainLS, yorbrick,....
you might want to check if you are stoplisted too
His store is closed so click on 'contact' icon in his forum post:
https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1493142

you might want to check if he stoplisted you too.

yay! Im not left out this time!

"You’re such a bad person—people in Germany figured it out too! 😆
As a fellow seller and your fierce competitor, I’ll admit it: we’re constantly
badmouthing each other via public forum, or private communication, throwing snowballs
at each other and also at each other’s shops

Nubs can throw snowballs but it's unlikely 1001bricks can throw back

  
  
  
** This post and his reason for stoplisting was crazy. To make it right, I am
going to submit a crazy inventory change request: adding a minifig for a set
from 1978 (the very fist year minifig was produced and sold)

https://www.bricklink.com/messageThread.asp?ID=364001&nID=1493196

an exciting request!
 Author: Nubs_Select View Messages Posted By Nubs_Select
 Posted: Nov 7, 2024 18:42
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Location:  Canada, Ontario
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Store: Nub's Select
 Author: yorbrick View Messages Posted By yorbrick
 Posted: Nov 7, 2024 14:10
 Subject: Re: Scamming the system with custom fees
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Location:  United Kingdom, England
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In Buying, 1001bricks writes:
  In Buying, yorbrick writes:
  
  
Here is with almost 10€ per lot avg, shipping 9.82€:
https://snipboard.io/UBLJc6.jpg

Now simply add 1 in quantity the last lot (so, same number of lot), shipping
12.48€:
https://snipboard.io/xzZr2p.jpg

It makes no sense.

Maybe it goes into another shipping band. Does it go up the same amount when
a similar weight of parts is added to other lots?

Just try it?

Shipping increases every (or almost) lot you're adding to the cart.

I added only Minifigures, at something like 4g weight: you can't have a shipping
band every 4g!

Same cart as pics above, 12 items / 11 lots, EUR 128.21 (more than 10€ / lot),
shipping is
EUR 17.83...

It's just pure a systematic work or profit fee.

I tried taking some out (without changing numbers of lots) and the price doesn't
always go down by the same amount, or the other way when adding doesn't always
go up by the same amount. I assume there must be multiple fee calculations or
thresholds so it is not a simple linear relationship. Still, on the positive
side, at least it is shown in the cart so a buyer can avoid it before placing
an order.
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 Posted: Nov 7, 2024 14:17
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  I added only Minifigures, at something like 4g weight: you can't have a shipping
band every 4g!

I just had a look at the shipping set-up section. I don't think there is
a limit to the number of shipping weight bands you can have. I clicked the "add
band" about 50 times before I got bored. Maybe they do have bands every 5g
or 10g just to add more incremental small fees depending on the size/weight of
the order as well as lot fees and fees in every other way that they can be added
all combined, so it is difficult for the buyer to work out what they are being
added for.
 Author: 1001bricks View Messages Posted By 1001bricks
 Posted: Nov 7, 2024 14:39
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Location:  France, Provence-Alpes-Côte d'Azur
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Store: 1001bricks
In Buying, yorbrick writes:
  
  I added only Minifigures, at something like 4g weight: you can't have a shipping
band every 4g!

I just had a look at the shipping set-up section. I don't think there is
a limit to the number of shipping weight bands you can have. I clicked the "add
band" about 50 times before I got bored. Maybe they do have bands every 5g
or 10g just to add more incremental small fees depending on the size/weight of
the order as well as lot fees and fees in every other way that they can be added
all combined, so it is difficult for the buyer to work out what they are being
added for.

Of course technically you can.

But if you add a fee every lot or couple of parts, it's not anymore a shipping
price.

It's a cost or a fee.

Which should be included into your price, for comparaison reasons (priceguide,
autobuy...) with other shops and (of course) BrickLink fees.

But you know this
 Author: yorbrick View Messages Posted By yorbrick
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Location:  United Kingdom, England
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In Buying, 1001bricks writes:
  In Buying, yorbrick writes:
  
  I added only Minifigures, at something like 4g weight: you can't have a shipping
band every 4g!

I just had a look at the shipping set-up section. I don't think there is
a limit to the number of shipping weight bands you can have. I clicked the "add
band" about 50 times before I got bored. Maybe they do have bands every 5g
or 10g just to add more incremental small fees depending on the size/weight of
the order as well as lot fees and fees in every other way that they can be added
all combined, so it is difficult for the buyer to work out what they are being
added for.

Of course technically you can.

But if you add a fee every lot or couple of parts, it's not anymore a shipping
price.

It's a cost or a fee.

Which should be included into your price, for comparaison reasons (priceguide,
autobuy...) with other shops and (of course) BrickLink fees.

But you know this

Yes. It looks like it can be abused as a way of adding an otherwise hidden cost
per weight. It might be how some stores are adding on extra costs per item even
if the number of lots is not changing.
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