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 Author: UweM View Messages Posted By UweM
 Posted: Jul 21, 2024 17:08
 Subject: Add fixum to payment prcoessing fee
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UweM (217)

Location:  Germany, Nordrhein-Westfalen
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I propose to have either a new type of handling fee or to adapt the existing
"Payment processing fee" in order to have a fixed value (new) and a %
of order total (as today). Alternatively the existing rule "Fixed + % of
order total" could get a condition depending on payment type.

Reason: IMHO PayPal costs must be calculated correctly: It's a fixed value
+ % of order total. I only want to charge buyers in case they chose PayPal but
not if they choose IBAN (I have no single limit nor any penalty and cannot hide
those costs). Currently there is no way (confirmed by admins) to have one shipping
method which can handle both payment methods correctly in the sense described
above. I do have to use a textual description that the buyer has to calculate
the final price by subtracting the Addictional Charges 1 in case he choses IBAN.
That's not user friendly at all and mistakes can be done.
 Author: edk View Messages Posted By edk
 Posted: Jul 21, 2024 17:22
 Subject: Re: Add fixum to payment prcoessing fee
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edk (9512)

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In Suggestions, UweM writes:
  I propose to have either a new type of handling fee or to adapt the existing
"Payment processing fee" in order to have a fixed value (new) and a %
of order total (as today). Alternatively the existing rule "Fixed + % of
order total" could get a condition depending on payment type.

Reason: IMHO PayPal costs must be calculated correctly: It's a fixed value
+ % of order total. I only want to charge buyers in case they chose PayPal but
not if they choose IBAN (I have no single limit nor any penalty and cannot hide
those costs). Currently there is no way (confirmed by admins) to have one shipping
method which can handle both payment methods correctly in the sense described
above. I do have to use a textual description that the buyer has to calculate
the final price by subtracting the Addictional Charges 1 in case he choses IBAN.
That's not user friendly at all and mistakes can be done.

That was a quick and easy NO vote. I will vote NO on any sort of % based fee
as they are used by sellers to show prices at an artificially lower price.
If you want to charge non paypal paying customers less, then give a discount
to those.
 Author: 1001bricks View Messages Posted By 1001bricks
 Posted: Jul 21, 2024 17:44
 Subject: Re: Add fixum to payment prcoessing fee
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1001bricks (55573)

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In Suggestions, edk writes:
  In Suggestions, UweM writes:
  I propose to have either a new type of handling fee or to adapt the existing
"Payment processing fee" in order to have a fixed value (new) and a %
of order total (as today). Alternatively the existing rule "Fixed + % of
order total" could get a condition depending on payment type.

Reason: IMHO PayPal costs must be calculated correctly: It's a fixed value
+ % of order total. I only want to charge buyers in case they chose PayPal but
not if they choose IBAN (I have no single limit nor any penalty and cannot hide
those costs). Currently there is no way (confirmed by admins) to have one shipping
method which can handle both payment methods correctly in the sense described
above. I do have to use a textual description that the buyer has to calculate
the final price by subtracting the Addictional Charges 1 in case he choses IBAN.
That's not user friendly at all and mistakes can be done.

That was a quick and easy NO vote. I will vote NO on any sort of % based fee
as they are used by sellers to show prices at an artificially lower price.
If you want to charge non paypal paying customers less, then give a discount
to those.

Exactly. It's even a law in France; you can't charge fees on payment
modes but you can give discount for some.
 Author: UweM View Messages Posted By UweM
 Posted: Jul 30, 2024 16:21
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Location:  Germany, Nordrhein-Westfalen
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In Suggestions, edk writes:
  In Suggestions, UweM writes:
  I propose to have either a new type of handling fee or to adapt the existing
"Payment processing fee" in order to have a fixed value (new) and a %
of order total (as today). Alternatively the existing rule "Fixed + % of
order total" could get a condition depending on payment type.

Reason: IMHO PayPal costs must be calculated correctly: It's a fixed value
+ % of order total. I only want to charge buyers in case they chose PayPal but
not if they choose IBAN (I have no single limit nor any penalty and cannot hide
those costs). Currently there is no way (confirmed by admins) to have one shipping
method which can handle both payment methods correctly in the sense described
above. I do have to use a textual description that the buyer has to calculate
the final price by subtracting the Addictional Charges 1 in case he choses IBAN.
That's not user friendly at all and mistakes can be done.

That was a quick and easy NO vote. I will vote NO on any sort of % based fee
as they are used by sellers to show prices at an artificially lower price.
If you want to charge non paypal paying customers less, then give a discount
to those.

1) IMHO there are LEGO costs, shipment costs, payment costs. Thinking ahead in
your way the shipment costs should be included as well?
2) Discount was also my first thought but this does support fix + % neither;
thus an extension of existing payment costs formula seems to be easier to me.
 Author: yorbrick View Messages Posted By yorbrick
 Posted: Jul 30, 2024 16:34
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  1) IMHO there are LEGO costs, shipment costs, payment costs. Thinking ahead in
your way the shipment costs should be included as well?
2) Discount was also my first thought but this does support fix + % neither;
thus an extension of existing payment costs formula seems to be easier to me.

I'd be fine with percentage fees, as long as you disclose the fees up front
so potential customers can least favourite your store.
 Author: RebelliousBrick View Messages Posted By RebelliousBrick
 Posted: Jul 21, 2024 17:59
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RebelliousBrick (28)

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In Suggestions, UweM writes:
  I propose to have either a new type of handling fee or to adapt the existing
"Payment processing fee" in order to have a fixed value (new) and a %
of order total (as today). Alternatively the existing rule "Fixed + % of
order total" could get a condition depending on payment type.

Reason: IMHO PayPal costs must be calculated correctly: It's a fixed value
+ % of order total. I only want to charge buyers in case they chose PayPal but
not if they choose IBAN (I have no single limit nor any penalty and cannot hide
those costs). Currently there is no way (confirmed by admins) to have one shipping
method which can handle both payment methods correctly in the sense described
above. I do have to use a textual description that the buyer has to calculate
the final price by subtracting the Addictional Charges 1 in case he choses IBAN.
That's not user friendly at all and mistakes can be done.


Please double check the laws in your country but in a lot of European countries
you are not allowed to charge more for different payment types
 Author: UweM View Messages Posted By UweM
 Posted: Jul 30, 2024 16:26
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Location:  Germany, Nordrhein-Westfalen
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Store Closed Store: 00-Mey-Bricks
In Suggestions, RebelliousBrick writes:
  In Suggestions, UweM writes:
  I propose to have either a new type of handling fee or to adapt the existing
"Payment processing fee" in order to have a fixed value (new) and a %
of order total (as today). Alternatively the existing rule "Fixed + % of
order total" could get a condition depending on payment type.

Reason: IMHO PayPal costs must be calculated correctly: It's a fixed value
+ % of order total. I only want to charge buyers in case they chose PayPal but
not if they choose IBAN (I have no single limit nor any penalty and cannot hide
those costs). Currently there is no way (confirmed by admins) to have one shipping
method which can handle both payment methods correctly in the sense described
above. I do have to use a textual description that the buyer has to calculate
the final price by subtracting the Addictional Charges 1 in case he choses IBAN.
That's not user friendly at all and mistakes can be done.


Please double check the laws in your country but in a lot of European countries
you are not allowed to charge more for different payment types

Thanks for the hint. It's allowed in Germany as long as you offer a cost
free payment method like IBAN - and the court is saying that it can be seen as
a fee for additional service like checking ability of the buyer to pay the money.
 Author: Nubs_Select View Messages Posted By Nubs_Select
 Posted: Jul 22, 2024 00:28
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In Suggestions, UweM writes:
  I propose to have either a new type of handling fee or to adapt the existing
"Payment processing fee" in order to have a fixed value (new) and a %
of order total (as today). Alternatively the existing rule "Fixed + % of
order total" could get a condition depending on payment type.

Reason: IMHO PayPal costs must be calculated correctly: It's a fixed value
+ % of order total. I only want to charge buyers in case they chose PayPal but
not if they choose IBAN (I have no single limit nor any penalty and cannot hide
those costs). Currently there is no way (confirmed by admins) to have one shipping
method which can handle both payment methods correctly in the sense described
above. I do have to use a textual description that the buyer has to calculate
the final price by subtracting the Addictional Charges 1 in case he choses IBAN.
That's not user friendly at all and mistakes can be done.

Simple fix. Raise your prices by the % and don’t change any fees. It’s a win
win. Less work for you and buyer gets no hidden fees.
 Author: cosmicray View Messages Posted By cosmicray
 Posted: Jul 22, 2024 10:12
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cosmicray (3573)

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In Suggestions, Nubs_Select writes:
  In Suggestions, UweM writes:
  I propose to have either a new type of handling fee or to adapt the existing
"Payment processing fee" in order to have a fixed value (new) and a %
of order total (as today). Alternatively the existing rule "Fixed + % of
order total" could get a condition depending on payment type.

Reason: IMHO PayPal costs must be calculated correctly: It's a fixed value
+ % of order total. I only want to charge buyers in case they chose PayPal but
not if they choose IBAN (I have no single limit nor any penalty and cannot hide
those costs). Currently there is no way (confirmed by admins) to have one shipping
method which can handle both payment methods correctly in the sense described
above. I do have to use a textual description that the buyer has to calculate
the final price by subtracting the Addictional Charges 1 in case he choses IBAN.
That's not user friendly at all and mistakes can be done.

Simple fix. Raise your prices by the % and don’t change any fees. It’s a win
win. Less work for you and buyer gets no hidden fees.

But, that would make OPs prices look higher, no ?

Nita Rae
 Author: Nubs_Select View Messages Posted By Nubs_Select
 Posted: Jul 22, 2024 11:37
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Location:  Canada, Ontario
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Store: Nub's Select
In Suggestions, cosmicray writes:
  In Suggestions, Nubs_Select writes:
  In Suggestions, UweM writes:
  I propose to have either a new type of handling fee or to adapt the existing
"Payment processing fee" in order to have a fixed value (new) and a %
of order total (as today). Alternatively the existing rule "Fixed + % of
order total" could get a condition depending on payment type.

Reason: IMHO PayPal costs must be calculated correctly: It's a fixed value
+ % of order total. I only want to charge buyers in case they chose PayPal but
not if they choose IBAN (I have no single limit nor any penalty and cannot hide
those costs). Currently there is no way (confirmed by admins) to have one shipping
method which can handle both payment methods correctly in the sense described
above. I do have to use a textual description that the buyer has to calculate
the final price by subtracting the Addictional Charges 1 in case he choses IBAN.
That's not user friendly at all and mistakes can be done.

Simple fix. Raise your prices by the % and don’t change any fees. It’s a win
win. Less work for you and buyer gets no hidden fees.

But, that would make OPs prices look higher, no ?

Nita Rae

 Author: UweM View Messages Posted By UweM
 Posted: Jul 30, 2024 16:32
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UweM (217)

Location:  Germany, Nordrhein-Westfalen
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Store Closed Store: 00-Mey-Bricks
In Suggestions, Nubs_Select writes:
  In Suggestions, UweM writes:
  I propose to have either a new type of handling fee or to adapt the existing
"Payment processing fee" in order to have a fixed value (new) and a %
of order total (as today). Alternatively the existing rule "Fixed + % of
order total" could get a condition depending on payment type.

Reason: IMHO PayPal costs must be calculated correctly: It's a fixed value
+ % of order total. I only want to charge buyers in case they chose PayPal but
not if they choose IBAN (I have no single limit nor any penalty and cannot hide
those costs). Currently there is no way (confirmed by admins) to have one shipping
method which can handle both payment methods correctly in the sense described
above. I do have to use a textual description that the buyer has to calculate
the final price by subtracting the Addictional Charges 1 in case he choses IBAN.
That's not user friendly at all and mistakes can be done.

Simple fix. Raise your prices by the % and don’t change any fees. It’s a win
win. Less work for you and buyer gets no hidden fees.

Firstly it's not hidden but VERY clearly described.
Secondly I have no single limit which bothers buyers. They can buy a part for
5 ct and I will ship it. But how can I compensate PayPal costs of 36 ct in that
situation? At the end I have to introduce a min buy to do what? Exactly - to
HIDE the PayPal costs behind a % value. THAT are hidden fees IMHO but not the
fees mentioned in the terms.
 Author: yorbrick View Messages Posted By yorbrick
 Posted: Jul 30, 2024 16:37
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  Firstly it's not hidden but VERY clearly described.
Secondly I have no single limit which bothers buyers. They can buy a part for
5 ct and I will ship it. But how can I compensate PayPal costs of 36 ct in that
situation? At the end I have to introduce a min buy to do what? Exactly - to
HIDE the PayPal costs behind a % value. THAT are hidden fees IMHO but not the
fees mentioned in the terms.

Quite easily. Charge the fixed part of the PayPal fee in your shipping costs,
and the percentage charge in your item prices.
 Author: Nubs_Select View Messages Posted By Nubs_Select
 Posted: Jul 30, 2024 16:49
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Location:  Canada, Ontario
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In Suggestions, UweM writes:
  In Suggestions, Nubs_Select writes:
  In Suggestions, UweM writes:
  I propose to have either a new type of handling fee or to adapt the existing
"Payment processing fee" in order to have a fixed value (new) and a %
of order total (as today). Alternatively the existing rule "Fixed + % of
order total" could get a condition depending on payment type.

Reason: IMHO PayPal costs must be calculated correctly: It's a fixed value
+ % of order total. I only want to charge buyers in case they chose PayPal but
not if they choose IBAN (I have no single limit nor any penalty and cannot hide
those costs). Currently there is no way (confirmed by admins) to have one shipping
method which can handle both payment methods correctly in the sense described
above. I do have to use a textual description that the buyer has to calculate
the final price by subtracting the Addictional Charges 1 in case he choses IBAN.
That's not user friendly at all and mistakes can be done.

Simple fix. Raise your prices by the % and don’t change any fees. It’s a win
win. Less work for you and buyer gets no hidden fees.

Firstly it's not hidden but VERY clearly described.

in your terms or such. which few read. its hidden since the buyer is browsing
and sees your item for sale for say $1 and thinks. oh, this costs $1 plus shipping.
but then they go to buy it and its $1 + shipping, plus another fee which was
unexpected aka a hidden fee

  Secondly I have no single limit which bothers buyers. They can buy a part for
5 ct and I will ship it. But how can I compensate PayPal costs of 36 ct in that
situation?

you should work set costs into your shipping costs but % fees should be in your
item prices. for example, in Canada someone places a $5 order in my store. they
pay $2.49 on shipping. stamps cost me about $2, then the base fees that apply
to every order (such as packing materials, etc) are covered aswell.

  At the end I have to introduce a min buy to do what? Exactly - to
HIDE the PayPal costs behind a % value. THAT are hidden fees IMHO but not the
fees mentioned in the terms.

if you work it into your shipping cost then you dont need to worry about that.
this is quite common as very few sellers charge down to the exact penny that
they pay for the shipping cost. also in some places such as California (which
you ship to) it is law that if you sell there you can only charge for the item
price + shipping + sales tax and nothing else and all your costs must be worked
into your shipping cost which is standard practice
https://oag.ca.gov/hiddenfees#:~:text=Beginning%20July%201%2C%202024%2C%20the,government%20taxes%20and%20shipping%20costs.