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| | | Author: | RebelliousBrick  | | Posted: | Mar 19, 2024 12:54 | | Subject: | New minifigure assembled/unassembled | | Viewed: | 188 times | | Topic: | Help | |
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| Hi all,
This question comes up often on the facebook group "BrickLink Worldwide Buyers
and Sellers"
Can minifigures be sold as new when they are assembled?
On the help page for "item for sale condition" (https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=102)
it states the fololowing:
New Minifigures - Minifigures are brand new, taken directly from new sets
or purchased as new in another form such as accessory packs or Pick A Brick and
have been handled only for sorting. Minifigures may be listed as new either assembled
or unassembled.
There are 2 ways that people read this:
1. Minifigures can be assembled and still be sold as new as long as the part
comes straight from the package.
2. Minifigures must be unassembled unless they come assembled from the factory.
What is the correct way to interpret this 1 or 2?
In case 1 is correct what is stopping people from selling minifigures that have
been displayed for a few years as new?
If number 2 is correct than the help page should be rewritten so there would
be no more confusion.
PS. @Admin, I am not sure if I put it in the correct topic so feel free to move
it if necessary.
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| | | | | Author: | randyf | | Posted: | Mar 19, 2024 12:57 | | Subject: | Re: New minifigure assembled/unassembled | | Viewed: | 55 times | | Topic: | Help | |
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| In Help, RebelliousBrick writes:
| | Hi all,
This question comes up often on the facebook group "BrickLink Worldwide Buyers
and Sellers"
Can minifigures be sold as new when they are assembled?
On the help page for "item for sale condition" (https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=102)
it states the fololowing:
New Minifigures - Minifigures are brand new, taken directly from new sets
or purchased as new in another form such as accessory packs or Pick A Brick and
have been handled only for sorting. Minifigures may be listed as new either assembled
or unassembled.
There are 2 ways that people read this:
1. Minifigures can be assembled and still be sold as new as long as the part
comes straight from the package.
2. Minifigures must be unassembled unless they come assembled from the factory.
What is the correct way to interpret this 1 or 2?
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| | In case 1 is correct what is stopping people from selling minifigures that have
been displayed for a few years as new?
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Being displayed for years is _not_ "have been handled only for sorting".
| | If number 2 is correct than the help page should be rewritten so there would
be no more confusion.
PS. @Admin, I am not sure if I put it in the correct topic so feel free to move
it if necessary.
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| | | | | | | Author: | RebelliousBrick | | Posted: | Mar 19, 2024 13:09 | | Subject: | Re: New minifigure assembled/unassembled | | Viewed: | 56 times | | Topic: | Help | |
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| In Help, randyf writes:
| | In Help, RebelliousBrick writes:
| | Hi all,
This question comes up often on the facebook group "BrickLink Worldwide Buyers
and Sellers"
Can minifigures be sold as new when they are assembled?
On the help page for "item for sale condition" (https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=102)
it states the fololowing:
New Minifigures - Minifigures are brand new, taken directly from new sets
or purchased as new in another form such as accessory packs or Pick A Brick and
have been handled only for sorting. Minifigures may be listed as new either assembled
or unassembled.
There are 2 ways that people read this:
1. Minifigures can be assembled and still be sold as new as long as the part
comes straight from the package.
2. Minifigures must be unassembled unless they come assembled from the factory.
What is the correct way to interpret this 1 or 2?
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| | In case 1 is correct what is stopping people from selling minifigures that have
been displayed for a few years as new?
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Being displayed for years is _not_ "have been handled only for sorting".
| | If number 2 is correct than the help page should be rewritten so there would
be no more confusion.
PS. @Admin, I am not sure if I put it in the correct topic so feel free to move
it if necessary.
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And how is assembling "only handled for sorting"?
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | randyf | | Posted: | Mar 19, 2024 13:23 | | Subject: | Re: New minifigure assembled/unassembled | | Viewed: | 51 times | | Topic: | Help | |
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| In Help, RebelliousBrick writes:
| | In Help, randyf writes:
| | In Help, RebelliousBrick writes:
| | Hi all,
This question comes up often on the facebook group "BrickLink Worldwide Buyers
and Sellers"
Can minifigures be sold as new when they are assembled?
On the help page for "item for sale condition" (https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=102)
it states the fololowing:
New Minifigures - Minifigures are brand new, taken directly from new sets
or purchased as new in another form such as accessory packs or Pick A Brick and
have been handled only for sorting. Minifigures may be listed as new either assembled
or unassembled.
There are 2 ways that people read this:
1. Minifigures can be assembled and still be sold as new as long as the part
comes straight from the package.
2. Minifigures must be unassembled unless they come assembled from the factory.
What is the correct way to interpret this 1 or 2?
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| | In case 1 is correct what is stopping people from selling minifigures that have
been displayed for a few years as new?
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Being displayed for years is _not_ "have been handled only for sorting".
| | If number 2 is correct than the help page should be rewritten so there would
be no more confusion.
PS. @Admin, I am not sure if I put it in the correct topic so feel free to move
it if necessary.
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And how is assembling "only handled for sorting"?
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It isn't, which is why the guideline is contradictory in its own right. It
is a relic from the past that should probably be better defined at this point.
However, that is the current definition and the way it is currently interpreted
by BrickLink.
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | calebfishn | | Posted: | Mar 19, 2024 16:31 | | Subject: | Re: New minifigure assembled/unassembled | | Viewed: | 41 times | | Topic: | Help | |
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| Because of this:
"New Minifigures - Minifigures are brand new, taken directly from new sets
or purchased as new in another form such as accessory packs or Pick A Brick and
have been handled only for sorting. Minifigures may be listed as new either assembled
or unassembled."
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | popsicle | | Posted: | Mar 19, 2024 16:50 | | Subject: | Re: New minifigure assembled/unassembled | | Viewed: | 72 times | | Topic: | Help | |
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| In Help, calebfishn writes:
| | Because of this:
"New Minifigures - Minifigures are brand new, taken directly from new sets
or purchased as new in another form such as accessory packs or Pick A Brick and
have been handled only for sorting. Minifigures may be listed as new either assembled
or unassembled."
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Let's add a bit more depth to your 'deep thinking'
Many for a fact, buy "new" minifigures for their constituent parts for
resale and other applications. If sold assembled, those parts then are not acquired
as new, as they then must be disassembled to list or use otherwise. Just one
practical example.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | axaday | | Posted: | Mar 20, 2024 06:18 | | Subject: | Re: New minifigure assembled/unassembled | | Viewed: | 41 times | | Topic: | Help | |
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| In Help, popsicle writes:
| | Many for a fact, buy "new" minifigures for their constituent parts for
resale and other applications. If sold assembled, those parts then are not acquired
as new, as they then must be disassembled to list or use otherwise. Just one
practical example.
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Yes, this. I generally don't check in advance, but I am often disappointed
when one comes assembled. I have asked sellers sometimes just to get an idea
what they are thinking. One told me once that he agreed with me, but his supplier
always assembled them. Having a supplier is foreign to me.
I had an order last year that I went to see things to add to and I picked up
a for a small part or two for my parts collection. It came entirely
assembled. I asked the seller how that was new and he said that set was mainly
a minifig so he assembles them. Leaving aside that this is beyond the scope
of the minifig rule, I really just don't get it. Unless you built it for
yourself and then decided to sell it later. It comes in a blind pack. You open
and identify and I don't see why you would then assemble it. Is it just
a little chance to play with some LEGO?
I often add comments for specificity, but probably usually don't. If I don't
say anything in my store it is from a new set never assembled, but since the
rule says what it says I have sometimes build a minifig and taken its picture
and sold it as new. I don't think standing them in a tent and taking a picture
is play. But even so, I would like the rule to say that only minifigs that come
from the factory assembled can be sold as new.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | yorbrick | | Posted: | Mar 20, 2024 08:02 | | Subject: | Re: New minifigure assembled/unassembled | | Viewed: | 33 times | | Topic: | Help | |
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| | | But even so, I would like the rule to say that only minifigs that come
from the factory assembled can be sold as new.
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Same here. But I guess the problem is all the sellers that have assembled their
figures would take a hit on their perceived value as their new stock becomes
used, and would also need to do some work to update their listings.
My approach to the issue over the last 8-10 years or so has been to least favourite
every store that says that they assemble minifigures, whether it is in their
terms or they say it here. In the long term that helps avoid stores that do it.
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| | | | | Author: | popsicle | | Posted: | Mar 19, 2024 13:22 | | Subject: | Re: New minifigure assembled/unassembled | | Viewed: | 56 times | | Topic: | Help | |
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| In Help, RebelliousBrick writes:
| | Hi all,
This question comes up often on the facebook group "BrickLink Worldwide Buyers
and Sellers"
Can minifigures be sold as new when they are assembled?
On the help page for "item for sale condition" (https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=102)
it states the fololowing:
New Minifigures - Minifigures are brand new, taken directly from new sets
or purchased as new in another form such as accessory packs or Pick A Brick and
have been handled only for sorting. Minifigures may be listed as new either assembled
or unassembled.
There are 2 ways that people read this:
1. Minifigures can be assembled and still be sold as new as long as the part
comes straight from the package.
2. Minifigures must be unassembled unless they come assembled from the factory.
What is the correct way to interpret this 1 or 2?
In case 1 is correct what is stopping people from selling minifigures that have
been displayed for a few years as new?
If number 2 is correct than the help page should be rewritten so there would
be no more confusion.
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A rewrite of the guidelines on this, is called for.
But as it stands within the TOS, assembled minifigures can be listed as New.
Why for years, we've added the listing note "New, never assembled"
to our minifig listings. Which it seems, many others are now emulating. Simply
put: as building toys, once built they imho, are no longer new.
But this is a long disputed selling point, which has two distinct mindsets. I've
long ago withdrawn from trying to make the distinction for others, and have as
I said; moved to adding notes to our minifigure listings here on BL.
The whole matter remains convoluted, iow.
-popsicle
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| | | | | | | Author: | popsicle | | Posted: | Mar 19, 2024 13:25 | | Subject: | Re: New minifigure assembled/unassembled | | Viewed: | 76 times | | Topic: | Help | |
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| In Help, popsicle writes:
| | In Help, RebelliousBrick writes:
| | Hi all,
This question comes up often on the facebook group "BrickLink Worldwide Buyers
and Sellers"
Can minifigures be sold as new when they are assembled?
On the help page for "item for sale condition" (https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=102)
it states the fololowing:
New Minifigures - Minifigures are brand new, taken directly from new sets
or purchased as new in another form such as accessory packs or Pick A Brick and
have been handled only for sorting. Minifigures may be listed as new either assembled
or unassembled.
There are 2 ways that people read this:
1. Minifigures can be assembled and still be sold as new as long as the part
comes straight from the package.
2. Minifigures must be unassembled unless they come assembled from the factory.
What is the correct way to interpret this 1 or 2?
In case 1 is correct what is stopping people from selling minifigures that have
been displayed for a few years as new?
If number 2 is correct than the help page should be rewritten so there would
be no more confusion.
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A rewrite of the guidelines on this, is called for.
But as it stands within the TOS, assembled minifigures can be listed as New.
Why for years, we've added the listing note "New, never assembled"
to our minifig listings. Which it seems, many others are now emulating. Simply
put: as building toys, once built they imho, are no longer new.
But this is a long disputed selling point, which has two distinct mindsets. I've
long ago withdrawn from trying to make the distinction for others, and have as
I said; moved to adding notes to our minifigure listings here on BL.
The whole matter remains convoluted, iow.
-popsicle
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I'll concede that what adds to the confusion, is the that TLG releases "assembled"
minifigures via various formats.
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| | | | | | | Author: | peregrinator | | Posted: | Mar 19, 2024 13:27 | | Subject: | Re: New minifigure assembled/unassembled | | Viewed: | 39 times | | Topic: | Help | |
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| In Help, popsicle writes:
| | A rewrite of the guidelines on this, is called for.
But as it stands within the TOS, assembled minifigures can be listed as New.
Why for years, we've added the listing note "New, never assembled"
to our minifig listings. Which it seems, many others are now emulating. Simply
put: as building toys, once built they imho, are no longer new.
But this is a long disputed selling point, which has two distinct mindsets. I've
long ago withdrawn from trying to make the distinction for others, and have as
I said; moved to adding notes to our minifigure listings here on BL.
The whole matter remains convoluted, iow.
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I think the issue is that some minifigures come fully or partially assembled
out of the box (or e.g. book), and BL probably doesn't have/doesn't want
to take the time to add a flag to each minifigure indicating whether it was assembled
or not from the factory. So all minifigures are allowed to be sold assembled
(even if they come unassembled) or unassembled (even if they come assembled!).
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | popsicle | | Posted: | Mar 19, 2024 13:29 | | Subject: | Re: New minifigure assembled/unassembled | | Viewed: | 66 times | | Topic: | Help | |
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| In Help, peregrinator writes:
| | In Help, popsicle writes:
| | A rewrite of the guidelines on this, is called for.
But as it stands within the TOS, assembled minifigures can be listed as New.
Why for years, we've added the listing note "New, never assembled"
to our minifig listings. Which it seems, many others are now emulating. Simply
put: as building toys, once built they imho, are no longer new.
But this is a long disputed selling point, which has two distinct mindsets. I've
long ago withdrawn from trying to make the distinction for others, and have as
I said; moved to adding notes to our minifigure listings here on BL.
The whole matter remains convoluted, iow.
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I think the issue is that some minifigures come fully or partially assembled
out of the box (or e.g. book), and BL probably doesn't have/doesn't want
to take the time to add a flag to each minifigure indicating whether it was assembled
or not from the factory. So all minifigures are allowed to be sold assembled
(even if they come unassembled) or unassembled (even if they come assembled!).
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https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1460098
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| | | | | Author: | calebfishn | | Posted: | Mar 19, 2024 16:29 | | Subject: | Re: New minifigure assembled/unassembled | | Viewed: | 39 times | | Topic: | Help | |
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| There is really not much room for interpretation or confusion here. Two separate
sentences:
1. Taken directly from new sets means "new".
2. Minifigs may be listed as new either assembled or unassembled.
Those are the Bricklink rules for listing. Period. No lawyers are needed.
The questions that come up regularly are really not about the rules, but about
preferences. Some buyers' preference is that new minifigures have not been
assembled. That is fine. There are thousands of minifigure listings described
in the comments as not having been assembled, and people who prefer that should
buy from those sellers.
The second interpretation offered is incorrect, because it adds an negative imperative,
i.e. "Thou Shalt Not".
What is to stop a seller from listing a minifigure that has been displayed for
years as "new"? Nothing; except honesty, integrity, personal self respect,
and the risk of receiving a negative feedback and a bad reputation. But that
is true for all manner of incorrect or dishonest listings.
The word "displayed" in a minifigure sales listing translates: "Played
with", except it was played with by an adult.
I sell new mini-figures unassembled only. I do that because I believe many buyers
prefer that, and the ones that don't, really don't care either way.
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