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| | | Author: | Shiny_Stuff  | | Posted: | Nov 11, 2023 18:01 | | Subject: | Torn or Ripped or Torn & Ripped or Rip Torn ? | | Viewed: | 125 times | | Topic: | Catalog Identification | |
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| Nice -- this torso name uses both Torn and Ripped as descriptors. Makes
it easy to find:
After that, tho, I guess one has to know the BL definition of Torn versus Ripped.
This torso took a bit of time to ID. I got no results searching for Ripped.
And I have no idea what "Layered" means in regards to this torso. "Cracked
Skin" might be a good descriptor:
I guess someday I gotta get with the "modern" world and buy a fancy phone
so I can just scan or photograph stuff and get instant results. All my money
goes for buying LEGO, not for phones -- I hate phones.
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| | | | | Author: | Cob | | Posted: | Nov 12, 2023 09:23 | | Subject: | Re: Torn or Ripped or Torn & Ripped or Rip Torn ? | | Viewed: | 34 times | | Topic: | Catalog Identification | |
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| | You can buy a used phone or tablet for cheap and use it for this purpose. |
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| | | | | | | Author: | Shiny_Stuff | | Posted: | Nov 12, 2023 09:32 | | Subject: | Re: Torn or Ripped or Torn & Ripped or Rip Torn ? | | Viewed: | 39 times | | Topic: | Catalog Identification | |
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| In Catalog Identification, Cob writes:
| | You can buy a used phone or tablet for cheap and use it for this purpose.
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I might have to go that route.
Because they will have to pry my cold, dead hand open to get me to give up my
flip-phone (yes, the flip-phone I have now is 5G capable, running 4G now). I
need actual buttons to push -- no taps, no slide, no touch screen.
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| | | | | Author: | jennnifer | | Posted: | Nov 12, 2023 10:04 | | Subject: | Re: Torn or Ripped or Torn & Ripped or Rip Torn ? | | Viewed: | 41 times | | Topic: | Catalog Identification | |
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| In Catalog Identification, Shiny_Stuff writes:
| | Nice -- this torso name uses both Torn and Ripped as descriptors. Makes
it easy to find:
After that, tho, I guess one has to know the BL definition of Torn versus Ripped.
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There is no definition. Items are described by different submitters as best they
can. Knowing this, if you change your search process, you will get better results.
Color Guide: Bright Pink.
Category: Minifigure, Torso Assembly, Decor.
Search "Bright Pink Arms" "Dark Bluish Gray Hands"
This returns 1 result.
~Jen
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| | | | | | | Author: | Shiny_Stuff | | Posted: | Nov 12, 2023 10:46 | | Subject: | Re: Torn or Ripped or Torn & Ripped or Rip Torn ? | | Viewed: | 30 times | | Topic: | Catalog Identification | |
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| In Catalog Identification, jennnifer writes:
| | In Catalog Identification, Shiny_Stuff writes:
| | Nice -- this torso name uses both Torn and Ripped as descriptors. Makes
it easy to find:
After that, tho, I guess one has to know the BL definition of Torn versus Ripped.
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There is no definition. Items are described by different submitters as best they
can. Knowing this, if you change your search process, you will get better results.
Color Guide: Bright Pink.
Category: Minifigure, Torso Assembly, Decor.
Search "Bright Pink Arms" "Dark Bluish Gray Hands"
This returns 1 result.
~Jen
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I actually was NOT even searching for that Bright Pink Torso.
I was searching for the second one. But, got zero results when searching for
"Ripped"
It was only on the discovery of the Bright Pink one that used both the terms
Ripped and Torn did I then search for "Torn" to find the torso I was
looking for.
Like I originally stated, the use of the terms Ripped versus Torn is where my
search failed.
I really DO appreciate all of the work that all catalog contributors have done
over the years. Without all of these contributions, the BL catalog would suck.
Things have come a long way from when the only images for items were LDraw renderings
and if an LDraw rendering did not exist, there were no pictures at all.
Today, for the most part, looking stuff up is not too challenging if you know
what keywords to search for. But there is always room for improvement.
For example, this torso is tricky to find. Many years ago I asked that the keyword
tube top be added to the torso name. It WAS added to the fig name (why I am
not sure), but was not added to the torso name, making the current name for the
torso still less than helpful:
https://www.bricklink.com/catalogItemInv.asp?M=sw0192
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | jennnifer | | Posted: | Nov 12, 2023 12:08 | | Subject: | Re: Torn or Ripped or Torn & Ripped or Rip Torn ? | | Viewed: | 40 times | | Topic: | Catalog Identification | |
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| In Catalog Identification, Shiny_Stuff writes:
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I actually was NOT even searching for that Bright Pink Torso.
I was searching for the second one. But, got zero results when searching for
"Ripped"
It was only on the discovery of the Bright Pink one that used both the terms
Ripped and Torn did I then search for "Torn" to find the torso I was
looking for.
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The second one is just as easy to find with the Color Guide method. My point
is that searching for random key words should always be the last part of any
search, not the first. Once you narrowed your search as far as the Color Guide
can get you, it's relatively easy to scan through the remainder of results.
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Like I originally stated, the use of the terms Ripped versus Torn is where my
search failed.
I really DO appreciate all of the work that all catalog contributors have done
over the years. Without all of these contributions, the BL catalog would suck.
Things have come a long way from when the only images for items were LDraw renderings
and if an LDraw rendering did not exist, there were no pictures at all.
Today, for the most part, looking stuff up is not too challenging if you know
what keywords to search for. But there is always room for improvement.
For example, this torso is tricky to find. Many years ago I asked that the keyword
tube top be added to the torso name. It WAS added to the fig name (why I am
not sure), but was not added to the torso name, making the current name for the
torso still less than helpful:
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Did you ask here in the Forum or submit a proper name change request? To update
it, submit a change request for the Torso and the Assembly and see how it goes!
I would bet the 'Tube Top' was added to distinguish this Ahsoka from
the other similar minifig. You can see in the Change Log that someone put through
a change request and it was accepted.
~Jen
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Shiny_Stuff | | Posted: | Nov 12, 2023 13:23 | | Subject: | Re: Torn or Ripped or Torn & Ripped or Rip Torn ? | | Viewed: | 31 times | | Topic: | Catalog Identification | |
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| In Catalog Identification, jennnifer writes:
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The second one is just as easy to find with the Color Guide method. My point
is that searching for random key words should always be the last part of any
search, not the first.
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Black Torso Assemblies = 936
Keyword Ripped = 13 results
Keyword Torn = 33 results.
Okay, you do it your way. You're the expert. I am just an old crank.
But for a Black torso assembly -- by color would be my LAST LAST way to search.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | StormChaser | | Posted: | Nov 12, 2023 14:06 | | Subject: | Re: Torn or Ripped or Torn & Ripped or Rip Torn ? | | Viewed: | 39 times | | Topic: | Catalog Identification | |
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| In Catalog Identification, Shiny_Stuff writes:
| | Keyword Ripped = 13 results
Keyword Torn = 33 results.
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This is a known and longstanding issue in the catalog. When I brought it up
recently, I was told the following by an administrator:
Sure, we'll spend all that extra time we have for administering the catalog
developing a documented lexicon that all current and future administrators will
need to memorize and recall verbatim when asked.
Full message here: https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1426322
Back when I worked for the site I created this page in an effort to standardize
terms:
https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=2493
It may not have been the best way to go about this, but at least it was an attempt.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | peregrinator | | Posted: | Nov 12, 2023 18:39 | | Subject: | Re: Torn or Ripped or Torn & Ripped or Rip Torn ? | | Viewed: | 36 times | | Topic: | Catalog Identification | |
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| In Catalog Identification, StormChaser writes:
| | In Catalog Identification, Shiny_Stuff writes:
| | Keyword Ripped = 13 results
Keyword Torn = 33 results.
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This is a known and longstanding issue in the catalog. When I brought it up
recently, I was told the following by an administrator:
Sure, we'll spend all that extra time we have for administering the catalog
developing a documented lexicon that all current and future administrators will
need to memorize and recall verbatim when asked.
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It could be left as-is if both the search index and the search terms used synonyms
-- that is, the item name would be indexed under both "ripped" and
"torn", and putting "ripped" into the search box would search
for "torn" as well, and vice versa.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | jennnifer | | Posted: | Nov 12, 2023 20:26 | | Subject: | Re: Torn or Ripped or Torn & Ripped or Rip Torn ? | | Viewed: | 37 times | | Topic: | Catalog Identification | |
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| In Catalog Identification, Shiny_Stuff writes:
| | In Catalog Identification, jennnifer writes:
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The second one is just as easy to find with the Color Guide method. My point
is that searching for random key words should always be the last part of any
search, not the first.
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Black Torso Assemblies = 936
Keyword Ripped = 13 results
Keyword Torn = 33 results.
Okay, you do it your way. You're the expert. I am just an old crank.
But for a Black torso assembly -- by color would be my LAST LAST way to search.
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Search: "Nougat Arm Left" "Nougat Hand Left" "Black Arm Right"
"Black Arm Left"
You are missing a very important step in my instructions. I am sorry if I am
having so much trouble with my explanation. A color guide search for that torso
returns 1 result. As long as your arms and hands haven't been swapped out,
it is by far the easiest way to search.
I will leave the conversation alone now.
~Jen
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | StormChaser | | Posted: | Nov 12, 2023 12:20 | | Subject: | Re: Torn or Ripped or Torn & Ripped or Rip Torn ? | | Viewed: | 29 times | | Topic: | Catalog Identification | |
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| In Catalog Identification, Shiny_Stuff writes:
| | But there is always room for improvement.
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Yes, in Studio and Designer Program and MOC Pop-Up Store. There are plenty of
resources to improve those programs.
But improvements to the catalog? Nothing but empty pockets and empty promises.
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | SylvainLS | | Posted: | Nov 12, 2023 12:32 | | Subject: | Re: Torn or Ripped or Torn & Ripped or Rip Torn ? | | Viewed: | 29 times | | Topic: | Catalog Identification | |
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| In Catalog Identification, StormChaser writes:
| | In Catalog Identification, Shiny_Stuff writes:
| | But there is always room for improvement.
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Yes, in Studio and Designer Program and MOC Pop-Up Store. There are plenty of
resources to improve those programs.
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Hahaha, good one.
| | But improvements to the catalog? Nothing but empty pockets and empty promises.
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