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| | | Author: | StormChaser  | | Posted: | Dec 4, 2022 17:57 | | Subject: | Wheels Titles Discussion | | Viewed: | 184 times | | Topic: | Catalog | | Status: | Open | |
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| After considering the entirety of the Wheels category, I think three approaches
are reasonable (skip toward the end for the short version):
__________________________________
Approach 1:
__________________________________
Title Section 1: The word "Wheel."
Title Section 2: Theme, use, or both. See below.
Title Section 3: Actual, measured size of the wheel hub in the format
"10mm D. x 10mm."
Title Section 4: Any other information deemed necessary.
Sections are not separated by punctuation. For Title Section 2, the theme generally
takes precedence. Theme can be followed by use, as in "Wheel Town Motorcycle."
Although there are no firm rules for selecting the contents of this title section,
the preferred length is no more than two words. Themes should be loosely interpreted
into only a few basic categories (Fabuland, Space, Town, Technic, etc.) to reduce
the total number of themes and avoid more groupings than necessary.
__________________________________
Approach 2:
__________________________________
Title Section 1: The word "Wheel."
Title Section 2: Actual, measured size of the wheel hub in the format
"10mm D. x 10mm."
Title Section 3: Theme, use, or both. See below.
Title Section 4: Any other information deemed necessary.
Sections are not separated by punctuation. For Title Section 3, the theme generally
takes precedence. Theme can be followed by use, as in "Wheel 30mm D. x 14mm
Town Motorcycle." Although there are no firm rules for selecting the contents
of this title section, the preferred length is no more than two words.
__________________________________
Approach 3:
__________________________________
Title Section 1: The word "Wheel."
Title Section 2: Actual, measured size of the wheel hub in the format
"10mm D. x 10mm."
Title Section 3: Any other information deemed necessary.
Sections are not separated by punctuation. For Title Section 3, this information
is only the information not captured by the tag system.
___________________________________
SKIP TO HERE
Here are the pros and cons of each approach, followed by examples already in
use.
For Approach 1 the pros are standardization and grouping of similar items (like
Technic or wagon wheels). The con is that 82 of the 212 wheels already use the
second approach.
For Approach 2, the pro is a very straightforward system, where every single
wheel is ranked by actual size. The con is that groupings of similar items will
be lost in the places where such groupings currently exist.
For Approach 3, the pro is that all unnecessary information is moved to a tagging
system. The cons are that titles will be visually lacking and the tag system
may not be robust enough to support sucking most of the information out of titles.
My preference is Approach 1. I think it makes the most sense given the current
system, even after tags come along.
I will say, based on extensive experience, that BL is highly unlikely to change
much in the Wheel category, at least not in any kind of timely manner (meaning
within the next five years). But I have the wheels and my wish is that everyone
could benefit from this collection. So I'll make a one-time submission of
the data and change requests.
The only question is this: which approach would members prefer I use to submit
the data? Thoughts or input?
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| | | | | Author: | udenbricks | | Posted: | Dec 4, 2022 18:09 | | Subject: | Re: Wheels Titles Discussion | | Viewed: | 33 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| Approach 1 for me.
In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
| | After considering the entirety of the Wheels category, I think three approaches
are reasonable (skip toward the end for the short version):
__________________________________
Approach 1:
__________________________________
Title Section 1: The word "Wheel."
Title Section 2: Theme, use, or both. See below.
Title Section 3: Actual, measured size of the wheel hub in the format
"10mm D. x 10mm."
Title Section 4: Any other information deemed necessary.
Sections are not separated by punctuation. For Title Section 2, the theme generally
takes precedence. Theme can be followed by use, as in "Wheel Town Motorcycle."
Although there are no firm rules for selecting the contents of this title section,
the preferred length is no more than two words. Themes should be loosely interpreted
into only a few basic categories (Fabuland, Space, Town, Technic, etc.) to reduce
the total number of themes and avoid more groupings than necessary.
__________________________________
Approach 2:
__________________________________
Title Section 1: The word "Wheel."
Title Section 2: Actual, measured size of the wheel hub in the format
"10mm D. x 10mm."
Title Section 3: Theme, use, or both. See below.
Title Section 4: Any other information deemed necessary.
Sections are not separated by punctuation. For Title Section 3, the theme generally
takes precedence. Theme can be followed by use, as in "Wheel 30mm D. x 14mm
Town Motorcycle." Although there are no firm rules for selecting the contents
of this title section, the preferred length is no more than two words.
__________________________________
Approach 3:
__________________________________
Title Section 1: The word "Wheel."
Title Section 2: Actual, measured size of the wheel hub in the format
"10mm D. x 10mm."
Title Section 3: Any other information deemed necessary.
Sections are not separated by punctuation. For Title Section 3, this information
is only the information not captured by the tag system.
___________________________________
SKIP TO HERE
Here are the pros and cons of each approach, followed by examples already in
use.
For Approach 1 the pros are standardization and grouping of similar items (like
Technic or wagon wheels). The con is that 82 of the 212 wheels already use the
second approach.
For Approach 2, the pro is a very straightforward system, where every single
wheel is ranked by actual size. The con is that groupings of similar items will
be lost in the places where such groupings currently exist.
For Approach 3, the pro is that all unnecessary information is moved to a tagging
system. The cons are that titles will be visually lacking and the tag system
may not be robust enough to support sucking most of the information out of titles.
My preference is Approach 1. I think it makes the most sense given the current
system, even after tags come along.
I will say, based on extensive experience, that BL is highly unlikely to change
much in the Wheel category, at least not in any kind of timely manner (meaning
within the next five years). But I have the wheels and my wish is that everyone
could benefit from this collection. So I'll make a one-time submission of
the data and change requests.
The only question is this: which approach would members prefer I use to submit
the data? Thoughts or input?
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| | | | | Author: | Give.Me.A.Brick | | Posted: | Dec 4, 2022 19:27 | | Subject: | Re: Wheels Titles Discussion | | Viewed: | 49 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
| | After considering the entirety of the Wheels category, I think three approaches
are reasonable (skip toward the end for the short version):
__________________________________
Approach 1:
__________________________________
Title Section 1: The word "Wheel."
Title Section 2: Theme, use, or both. See below.
Title Section 3: Actual, measured size of the wheel hub in the format
"10mm D. x 10mm."
Title Section 4: Any other information deemed necessary.
Sections are not separated by punctuation. For Title Section 2, the theme generally
takes precedence. Theme can be followed by use, as in "Wheel Town Motorcycle."
Although there are no firm rules for selecting the contents of this title section,
the preferred length is no more than two words. Themes should be loosely interpreted
into only a few basic categories (Fabuland, Space, Town, Technic, etc.) to reduce
the total number of themes and avoid more groupings than necessary.
__________________________________
Approach 2:
__________________________________
Title Section 1: The word "Wheel."
Title Section 2: Actual, measured size of the wheel hub in the format
"10mm D. x 10mm."
Title Section 3: Theme, use, or both. See below.
Title Section 4: Any other information deemed necessary.
Sections are not separated by punctuation. For Title Section 3, the theme generally
takes precedence. Theme can be followed by use, as in "Wheel 30mm D. x 14mm
Town Motorcycle." Although there are no firm rules for selecting the contents
of this title section, the preferred length is no more than two words.
__________________________________
Approach 3:
__________________________________
Title Section 1: The word "Wheel."
Title Section 2: Actual, measured size of the wheel hub in the format
"10mm D. x 10mm."
Title Section 3: Any other information deemed necessary.
Sections are not separated by punctuation. For Title Section 3, this information
is only the information not captured by the tag system.
___________________________________
SKIP TO HERE
Here are the pros and cons of each approach, followed by examples already in
use.
For Approach 1 the pros are standardization and grouping of similar items (like
Technic or wagon wheels). The con is that 82 of the 212 wheels already use the
second approach.
For Approach 2, the pro is a very straightforward system, where every single
wheel is ranked by actual size. The con is that groupings of similar items will
be lost in the places where such groupings currently exist.
For Approach 3, the pro is that all unnecessary information is moved to a tagging
system. The cons are that titles will be visually lacking and the tag system
may not be robust enough to support sucking most of the information out of titles.
My preference is Approach 1. I think it makes the most sense given the current
system, even after tags come along.
I will say, based on extensive experience, that BL is highly unlikely to change
much in the Wheel category, at least not in any kind of timely manner (meaning
within the next five years). But I have the wheels and my wish is that everyone
could benefit from this collection. So I'll make a one-time submission of
the data and change requests.
The only question is this: which approach would members prefer I use to submit
the data? Thoughts or input?
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I would like the Train Wheels grouped, the Technic wheels grouped, etc, hence
I would prefer Approach 1
And I agree that words like "small" "large" "giant" don't hold valuable info.
I would prefer the actual wheel rim(1) dimensions on every wheel.
(1) Not the corresponding former tire dimension that some wheels carry:
Thank you!
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| | | | | | | Author: | StormChaser | | Posted: | Dec 4, 2022 19:42 | | Subject: | Re: Wheels Titles Discussion | | Viewed: | 51 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, Give.Me.A.Brick writes:
| | I would prefer the actual wheel rim(1) dimensions on every wheel.
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Of course. That's the plan since I can physically measure every one.
| | (1) Not the corresponding former tire dimension that some wheels carry:
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Just to clarify for those who don't know, that 81.6 x 34 dimension matches
the markings on this tire that fits the wheel:
But, of course, five other tires also fit the wheel (such as the one shown below).
So the 81.6 x 34 dimension in the current wheel title doesn't make much
sense.
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | Give.Me.A.Brick | | Posted: | Dec 4, 2022 19:56 | | Subject: | Re: Wheels Titles Discussion | | Viewed: | 46 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
| | In Catalog, Give.Me.A.Brick writes:
| | I would prefer the actual wheel rim(1) dimensions on every wheel.
|
Of course. That's the plan since I can physically measure every one.
| | (1) Not the corresponding former tire dimension that some wheels carry:
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Just to clarify for those who don't know, that 81.6 x 34 dimension matches
the markings on this tire that fits the wheel:
But, of course, five other tires also fit the wheel (such as the one shown below).
So the 81.6 x 34 dimension in the current wheel title doesn't make much
sense.
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Exactly!
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| | | | | | | Author: | Yo_Yo_Flamingo | | Posted: | Dec 5, 2022 00:07 | | Subject: | Re: Wheels Titles Discussion | | Viewed: | 33 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, Give.Me.A.Brick writes:
| | In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
| | After considering the entirety of the Wheels category, I think three approaches
are reasonable (skip toward the end for the short version):
__________________________________
Approach 1:
__________________________________
Title Section 1: The word "Wheel."
Title Section 2: Theme, use, or both. See below.
Title Section 3: Actual, measured size of the wheel hub in the format
"10mm D. x 10mm."
Title Section 4: Any other information deemed necessary.
Sections are not separated by punctuation. For Title Section 2, the theme generally
takes precedence. Theme can be followed by use, as in "Wheel Town Motorcycle."
Although there are no firm rules for selecting the contents of this title section,
the preferred length is no more than two words. Themes should be loosely interpreted
into only a few basic categories (Fabuland, Space, Town, Technic, etc.) to reduce
the total number of themes and avoid more groupings than necessary.
__________________________________
Approach 2:
__________________________________
Title Section 1: The word "Wheel."
Title Section 2: Actual, measured size of the wheel hub in the format
"10mm D. x 10mm."
Title Section 3: Theme, use, or both. See below.
Title Section 4: Any other information deemed necessary.
Sections are not separated by punctuation. For Title Section 3, the theme generally
takes precedence. Theme can be followed by use, as in "Wheel 30mm D. x 14mm
Town Motorcycle." Although there are no firm rules for selecting the contents
of this title section, the preferred length is no more than two words.
__________________________________
Approach 3:
__________________________________
Title Section 1: The word "Wheel."
Title Section 2: Actual, measured size of the wheel hub in the format
"10mm D. x 10mm."
Title Section 3: Any other information deemed necessary.
Sections are not separated by punctuation. For Title Section 3, this information
is only the information not captured by the tag system.
___________________________________
SKIP TO HERE
Here are the pros and cons of each approach, followed by examples already in
use.
For Approach 1 the pros are standardization and grouping of similar items (like
Technic or wagon wheels). The con is that 82 of the 212 wheels already use the
second approach.
For Approach 2, the pro is a very straightforward system, where every single
wheel is ranked by actual size. The con is that groupings of similar items will
be lost in the places where such groupings currently exist.
For Approach 3, the pro is that all unnecessary information is moved to a tagging
system. The cons are that titles will be visually lacking and the tag system
may not be robust enough to support sucking most of the information out of titles.
My preference is Approach 1. I think it makes the most sense given the current
system, even after tags come along.
I will say, based on extensive experience, that BL is highly unlikely to change
much in the Wheel category, at least not in any kind of timely manner (meaning
within the next five years). But I have the wheels and my wish is that everyone
could benefit from this collection. So I'll make a one-time submission of
the data and change requests.
The only question is this: which approach would members prefer I use to submit
the data? Thoughts or input?
|
I would like the Train Wheels grouped, the Technic wheels grouped, etc, hence
I would prefer Approach 1
And I agree that words like "small" "large" "giant" don't hold valuable info.
I would prefer the actual wheel rim(1) dimensions on every wheel.
(1) Not the corresponding former tire dimension that some wheels carry:
Thank you!
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I would prefer that terms like "small" "medium" "Giant" remain for wheels which
are varying sizes of the same piece.
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | StormChaser | | Posted: | Dec 5, 2022 00:53 | | Subject: | Re: Wheels Titles Discussion | | Viewed: | 37 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, Yo_Yo_Flamingo writes:
| | I would prefer that terms like "small" "medium" "Giant" remain for wheels which
are varying sizes of the same piece.
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That's a perfectly reasonable position. Out of curiosity, though, doesn't
the size convey that information? Or do you prefer words to numbers? For example:
Wheel Small
Wheel Medium
Wheel Large
Wheel Giant
Wheel 27mm
Wheel 36mm
Wheel 52mm
Wheel 96mm
I'd like to understand your reasoning better. A similar use of size, BTW,
is in the hoses (where words couldn't describe them all).
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | 1001bricks | | Posted: | Dec 5, 2022 01:08 | | Subject: | Re: Wheels Titles Discussion | | Viewed: | 33 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| Why not - assuming mm - use the same pattern as tubes?
Showing diameter and width.
(random numbers)
Wheel 27D/8W
Wheel 36D/11W
Wheel 52D/14W
Wheel 96D/14W
Or even...
Wheel 27/8
Wheel 36/11
Wheel 52/14
Wheel 96/14
Just an idea. I'm off 
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Nubs_Select | | Posted: | Dec 5, 2022 01:10 | | Subject: | Re: Wheels Titles Discussion | | Viewed: | 27 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, 1001bricks writes:
| | Why not - assuming mm - use the same pattern as tubes?
Showing diameter and width.
(random numbers)
Wheel 27D/8W
Wheel 36D/11W
Wheel 52D/14W
Wheel 96D/14W
Or even...
Wheel 27/8
Wheel 36/11
Wheel 52/14
Wheel 96/14
Just an idea. I'm off
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Those numbers just confuse me whenever I see them  I’m starting to think I
need a math degree to understand sizes on bricklink now
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Nubs_Select | | Posted: | Dec 5, 2022 01:09 | | Subject: | Re: Wheels Titles Discussion | | Viewed: | 29 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
| | In Catalog, Yo_Yo_Flamingo writes:
| | I would prefer that terms like "small" "medium" "Giant" remain for wheels which
are varying sizes of the same piece.
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+1
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That's a perfectly reasonable position. Out of curiosity, though, doesn't
the size convey that information? Or do you prefer words to numbers? For example:
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Not everyone reads size and converts it to item instantly words like the giant
or small can help quickly confirm at a glance when looking at something before
listing it or when pulling it to ship it out
| | Wheel Small
Wheel Medium
Wheel Large
Wheel Giant
Wheel 27mm
Wheel 36mm
Wheel 52mm
Wheel 96mm
I'd like to understand your reasoning better. A similar use of size, BTW,
is in the hoses (where words couldn't describe them all).
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I don’t mean to bud in but those are more so very similar and are easier to mentally
picture size wise (I’m probably making no sense rn)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Yo_Yo_Flamingo | | Posted: | Dec 6, 2022 23:52 | | Subject: | Re: Wheels Titles Discussion | | Viewed: | 46 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, Nubs_Select writes:
| | In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
| | In Catalog, Yo_Yo_Flamingo writes:
| | I would prefer that terms like "small" "medium" "Giant" remain for wheels which
are varying sizes of the same piece.
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+1
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That's a perfectly reasonable position. Out of curiosity, though, doesn't
the size convey that information? Or do you prefer words to numbers? For example:
|
Not everyone reads size and converts it to item instantly words like the giant
or small can help quickly confirm at a glance when looking at something before
listing it or when pulling it to ship it out
| | Wheel Small
Wheel Medium
Wheel Large
Wheel Giant
Wheel 27mm
Wheel 36mm
Wheel 52mm
Wheel 96mm
I'd like to understand your reasoning better. A similar use of size, BTW,
is in the hoses (where words couldn't describe them all).
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I don’t mean to bud in but those are more so very similar and are easier to mentally
picture size wise (I’m probably making no sense rn)
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Exactly what Nubs is saying. That way when quickly looking at one of the parts,
I know I've got the "large" wheel, instead of having to try to remember that
it's 52mm... It's just easier for quick recognition than just having
numbers. That and newer members might not know what to do with that number.
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| | | | | Author: | crazylegoman | | Posted: | Dec 4, 2022 23:56 | | Subject: | Re: Wheels Names Discussion | | Viewed: | 43 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| I vote for Approach 1.
David
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| | | | | Author: | bricks2you | | Posted: | Dec 5, 2022 06:38 | | Subject: | Re: Wheels Titles Discussion | | Viewed: | 44 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| Where would pin hole vs axle hole fall in your approaches?
In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
| | After considering the entirety of the Wheels category, I think three approaches
are reasonable (skip toward the end for the short version):
__________________________________
Approach 1:
__________________________________
Title Section 1: The word "Wheel."
Title Section 2: Theme, use, or both. See below.
Title Section 3: Actual, measured size of the wheel hub in the format
"10mm D. x 10mm."
Title Section 4: Any other information deemed necessary.
Sections are not separated by punctuation. For Title Section 2, the theme generally
takes precedence. Theme can be followed by use, as in "Wheel Town Motorcycle."
Although there are no firm rules for selecting the contents of this title section,
the preferred length is no more than two words. Themes should be loosely interpreted
into only a few basic categories (Fabuland, Space, Town, Technic, etc.) to reduce
the total number of themes and avoid more groupings than necessary.
__________________________________
Approach 2:
__________________________________
Title Section 1: The word "Wheel."
Title Section 2: Actual, measured size of the wheel hub in the format
"10mm D. x 10mm."
Title Section 3: Theme, use, or both. See below.
Title Section 4: Any other information deemed necessary.
Sections are not separated by punctuation. For Title Section 3, the theme generally
takes precedence. Theme can be followed by use, as in "Wheel 30mm D. x 14mm
Town Motorcycle." Although there are no firm rules for selecting the contents
of this title section, the preferred length is no more than two words.
__________________________________
Approach 3:
__________________________________
Title Section 1: The word "Wheel."
Title Section 2: Actual, measured size of the wheel hub in the format
"10mm D. x 10mm."
Title Section 3: Any other information deemed necessary.
Sections are not separated by punctuation. For Title Section 3, this information
is only the information not captured by the tag system.
___________________________________
SKIP TO HERE
Here are the pros and cons of each approach, followed by examples already in
use.
For Approach 1 the pros are standardization and grouping of similar items (like
Technic or wagon wheels). The con is that 82 of the 212 wheels already use the
second approach.
For Approach 2, the pro is a very straightforward system, where every single
wheel is ranked by actual size. The con is that groupings of similar items will
be lost in the places where such groupings currently exist.
For Approach 3, the pro is that all unnecessary information is moved to a tagging
system. The cons are that titles will be visually lacking and the tag system
may not be robust enough to support sucking most of the information out of titles.
My preference is Approach 1. I think it makes the most sense given the current
system, even after tags come along.
I will say, based on extensive experience, that BL is highly unlikely to change
much in the Wheel category, at least not in any kind of timely manner (meaning
within the next five years). But I have the wheels and my wish is that everyone
could benefit from this collection. So I'll make a one-time submission of
the data and change requests.
The only question is this: which approach would members prefer I use to submit
the data? Thoughts or input?
|
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| | | | | | | Author: | StormChaser | | Posted: | Dec 5, 2022 11:46 | | Subject: | Re: Wheels Titles Discussion | | Viewed: | 45 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, bricks2you writes:
| | Where would pin hole vs axle hole fall in your approaches?
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I think this could be additional information. The attachment type isn't
included in the titles of many wheels. I have recently heard an argument that
attachment type is the most important piece of information about a wheel and
should be either the first or second section of the title.
What are your thoughts?
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | Give.Me.A.Brick | | Posted: | Dec 5, 2022 14:06 | | Subject: | Re: Wheels Titles Discussion | | Viewed: | 46 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
| | In Catalog, bricks2you writes:
| | Where would pin hole vs axle hole fall in your approaches?
|
I think this could be additional information. The attachment type isn't
included in the titles of many wheels. I have recently heard an argument that
attachment type is the most important piece of information about a wheel and
should be either the first or second section of the title.
What are your thoughts?
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Jumping in here too 
This approach puts Axle Hole before additional description:
This approach puts Axle Hole after additional description:
Either way 18mm x 14mm or 18mm x 8mm, respectively, should be (in this case,
since there is no apparent Theme) the first piece of information.
Also, is the D. necessary?
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | wildchicken13 | | Posted: | Dec 5, 2022 14:45 | | Subject: | Re: Wheels Titles Discussion | | Viewed: | 40 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, Give.Me.A.Brick writes:
| | Also, is the D. necessary?
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Perhaps. For
it is clear from the picture that the diameter of the wheel is greater than its
width/depth/thickness, so it can be inferred that 18mm is the diameter and 8mm
is the thickness.
However, for
the dimensions are close so it is hard to tell which is width and which is diameter.
Comparing it to the previous wheel, one could infer that is is also 18mm in diameter,
but just looking at the thumbnail alone, I would have guessed the opposite.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | 1001bricks | | Posted: | Dec 5, 2022 14:54 | | Subject: | Re: Wheels Titles Discussion | | Viewed: | 40 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, wildchicken13 writes:
| | In Catalog, Give.Me.A.Brick writes:
| | Also, is the D. necessary?
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Perhaps. For
it is clear from the picture that the diameter of the wheel is greater than its
width/depth/thickness, so it can be inferred that 18mm is the diameter and 8mm
is the thickness.
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And don't forget its other version: we just poured two of those lots in the
same bag 
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | wildchicken13 | | Posted: | Dec 5, 2022 15:51 | | Subject: | Re: Wheels Titles Discussion | | Viewed: | 38 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, 1001bricks writes:
| | And don't forget its other version: we just poured two of those lots in the
same bag
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Oof! Better get a magnifying glass.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Give.Me.A.Brick | | Posted: | Dec 5, 2022 15:07 | | Subject: | Re: Wheels Titles Discussion | | Viewed: | 37 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, wildchicken13 writes:
| | In Catalog, Give.Me.A.Brick writes:
| | Also, is the D. necessary?
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Perhaps. For
it is clear from the picture that the diameter of the wheel is greater than its
width/depth/thickness, so it can be inferred that 18mm is the diameter and 8mm
is the thickness.
However, for
the dimensions are close so it is hard to tell which is width and which is diameter.
Comparing it to the previous wheel, one could infer that is is also 18mm in diameter,
but just looking at the thumbnail alone, I would have guessed the opposite.
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What I mean is that on wheels (and tires) the Diameter is always the 1st measure
by default. So it seems a bit redundant having a D there.
I've just checked and most Tires don't have the D there and I do believe
that there is no confusion whether the 1st measure refers to.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | wildchicken13 | | Posted: | Dec 5, 2022 15:50 | | Subject: | Re: Wheels Titles Discussion | | Viewed: | 43 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, Give.Me.A.Brick writes:
| | What I mean is that on wheels (and tires) the Diameter is always the 1st measure
by default. So it seems a bit redundant having a D there.
I've just checked and most Tires don't have the D there and I do believe
that there is no confusion whether the 1st measure refers to.
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That works as well (although newbies may not know that).
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | StormChaser | | Posted: | Dec 5, 2022 21:03 | | Subject: | Re: Wheels Titles Discussion | | Viewed: | 42 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, wildchicken13 writes:
| | That works as well (although newbies may not know that).
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To be fair, do they know that "D." means "diameter?" I think a more unambiguous
abbreviation would be "dia." And I also wonder how many newbies are going to
go measuring wheels just to find them in the catalog.
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| In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
| | In Catalog, wildchicken13 writes:
| | That works as well (although newbies may not know that).
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To be fair, do they know that "D." means "diameter?" I think a more unambiguous
abbreviation would be "dia." And I also wonder how many newbies are going to
go measuring wheels just to find them in the catalog.
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The official symbol for diameter is Ø or optionally lower case d. In either case
without dot please. No need to make up your own abbreviation when there are common
ones available.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | wildchicken13 | | Posted: | Dec 6, 2022 03:11 | | Subject: | Re: Wheels Titles Discussion | | Viewed: | 49 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
| | To be fair, do they know that "D." means "diameter?" I think a more unambiguous
abbreviation would be "dia." And I also wonder how many newbies are going to
go measuring wheels just to find them in the catalog.
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It depends. It didn't take me long to figure out that "D." means "diameter",
but it also didn't take me long to figure out that the first dimension always
corresponds to diameter and the second dimension always corresponds to thickness.
As long as the dimensions are always given in the same order, I see no reason
why it's necessary to specify which is which. But then again, one could argue
that including the dimensions in the name is itself redundant when one could
simply look at the packing dimensions.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | wildchicken13 | | Posted: | Dec 14, 2022 05:32 | | Subject: | Re: Wheels Titles Discussion | | Viewed: | 33 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
| | And I also wonder how many newbies are going to go measuring wheels just to find them in the catalog.
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I do remember measuring wheels when I was new to BrickLink just to make sure
I had the right ones. It does help to have the dimensions in the name, although
having the packing dimensions in the catalog entry also works.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | StormChaser | | Posted: | Dec 13, 2022 23:08 | | Subject: | Re: Wheels Titles Discussion - Diameter | | Viewed: | 43 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, Give.Me.A.Brick writes:
| | What I mean is that on wheels (and tires) the Diameter is always the 1st measure
by default. So it seems a bit redundant having a D there.
I've just checked and most Tires don't have the D there and I do believe
that there is no confusion whether the 1st measure refers to.
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Well, at least there's consistency in how diameter is described in part titles.
Looks like dia., diameter, and D.
And in whether inches, mm, cm, stud, or unspecified dimensions are used:
[G=baseball1]
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | wildchicken13 | | Posted: | Dec 14, 2022 05:28 | | Subject: | Re: Wheels Titles Discussion - Diameter | | Viewed: | 32 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
| | Well, at least there's consistency in how diameter is described in part titles.
And in whether inches, mm, cm, stud, or unspecified dimensions are used.
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I think we should standardize the catalog to use barleycorns as a unit of measure:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barleycorn_(unit)
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| | | | | Author: | gunga | | Posted: | Dec 5, 2022 10:10 | | Subject: | Re: Wheels Titles Discussion | | Viewed: | 46 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| I would prefer approach 2. You can always determine the dimensions with a ruler
or tape measure but you might not always know what theme a wheel was originally
placed in when added to the catalog.
All wheels (and tires for that matter), should have the "mm" labels for the dimensions
so that they can be listed in ascending order. Also, perhaps the label should
have a space between it and the number, for example - 8 mm x 6 mm.
The 8x6 (4624) and 8x9 (30027) are on page 1 but the next size 11x12 (6014) are
halfway down on page 2. Listed in between are huge wheels, like 24x43 technic
and 70x28 futuristic. Perhaps due to inconsistent or nonexistent "mm" labels.
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| | | | | Author: | WoutR | | Posted: | Dec 6, 2022 12:52 | | Subject: | Re: Wheels Titles Discussion | | Viewed: | 46 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| I don't like the use of a theme in the name.
What is a town wheel, or a space wheel? What if a wheel is used in multiple themes?
I can imagine using a type of wheel, like wagon wheel or wheel with spokes, but
it might be challenging to define a reasonably limited but meaningful set of
type names.
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| | | | | | | Author: | Nubs_Select | | Posted: | Dec 6, 2022 13:14 | | Subject: | Re: Wheels Titles Discussion | | Viewed: | 42 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, WoutR writes:
| | I don't like the use of a theme in the name.
What is a town wheel, or a space wheel? What if a wheel is used in multiple themes?
I can imagine using a type of wheel, like wagon wheel or wheel with spokes, but
it might be challenging to define a reasonably limited but meaningful set of
type names.
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+1 wheel type makes sense but theme dosnt
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| | | | | | | Author: | WoutR | | Posted: | Dec 6, 2022 14:50 | | Subject: | Re: Wheels Titles Discussion | | Viewed: | 38 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, WoutR writes:
| | I don't like the use of a theme in the name.
What is a town wheel, or a space wheel? What if a wheel is used in multiple themes?
I can imagine using a type of wheel, like wagon wheel or wheel with spokes, but
it might be challenging to define a reasonably limited but meaningful set of
type names.
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I would use something similar to system 1
Title Section 1: The word "Wheel."
Title Section 2: Type. This will make sure that similar wheels can be shown near
each other in the catalog when sorting by name. I think that is convenient for
buyers.
Title Section 3: Actual, measured size of the wheel hub in the format
"10mm D. x 10mm."
Title Section 4: Any other information deemed necessary.
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | SylvainLS | | Posted: | Dec 6, 2022 15:03 | | Subject: | Re: Wheels Titles Discussion | | Viewed: | 46 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, WoutR writes:
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Title Section 2: Type. This will make sure that similar wheels can be shown near
each other in the catalog when sorting by name. I think that is convenient for
buyers.
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+1
| | Title Section 3: Actual, measured size of the wheel hub in the format
"10mm D. x 10mm."
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“⌀ 10mm x 10mm” or “d 10mm x 10mm”
or “10mm ⌀ x 10mm” or “10mm d x 10mm”
As hpoort said, there’s an international symbol for diameter, it’s never a good
idea to invent your own wheel ( ).
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| | | | | | | Author: | StormChaser | | Posted: | Dec 6, 2022 17:04 | | Subject: | Re: Wheels Titles Discussion | | Viewed: | 40 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, WoutR writes:
| | I don't like the use of a theme in the name.
What is a town wheel, or a space wheel? What if a wheel is used in multiple themes?
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Thank you for the input! I certainly agree with you.
However, I think it would be hard to get away from organizing by themes. And
use is just as problematic. In the absence of both descriptors, wheels would
simply go in order from smallest to largest. That, or be organized by their
attachment type.
I did suggest themes, but it will be a very limited number of them and very broadly
interpreted. If I remember correctly, there were only these 7:
1. Castle
2. Fabuland
3. Freestyle
4. Technic
5. Town
6. Space
7. Znap
Items 1, 2, 3, and 7 will only have a few or maybe a handful of wheels each.
The bulk of the wheels would be categorized as either Space, Technic, or Town.
No system is perfect, but better systems of organization may become evident in
the future. Refining an existing organization will be easier, I think. And
until then, we'd actually be doing something instead of spinning our
wheels.
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| | | | | Author: | StormChaser | | Posted: | Dec 6, 2022 16:30 | | Subject: | Re: Wheels Titles Discussion | | Viewed: | 41 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| Thank you all for the input! The votes were:
Approach 1: 4
Approach 2: 1
Approach 3: 1
Approach 4: 1
Approach 5: 2
Approach 4 description: One member suggested wheels be described not by external
attributes such as theme, but instead by the intrinsic attributes of the part
itself. A primary part of this description would be the way the wheel attaches
to other parts (pin, axle, etc.).
Approach 5 description: Two members liked the first approach without using any
themes (space, town, etc.). So this is a combination of approaches one and three.
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Other member suggestions:
Keep descriptors like small, medium, and large (two members).
Use 10D/10W instead of 10mm D. x 10mm.
Remove the letter D. from titles.
Keep the letter D., but remove the period.
Add a space like so: 10 mm.
Keep the website coding format in mind when formatting diameter. Format titles
in a way that is most likely to return useable search results.
And some further assorted discussion revolving around representing diameter.
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So . . . here's what I've decided. I'm submitting the changes using
the first approach I outlined which had the highest number of votes. The changes
might sit there for a couple years, but I'm turning them in.
I really enjoyed all the discussion!! I got to hear from people I haven't
talked with in some time. I think good points were made, but I don't contract
with this company anymore. It's up to BrickLink to decide what they do with
your suggestions.
And a message to the BrickLink website: The Wheel category has probably
never been truly organized. My organization isn't perfect. Not everyone
will like it. But at least this section of the catalog will be organized if
you approve my suggestions.
Once it is actually organized, then you can think about looking at considering
on deciding how you want data formatted in titles. I know your goal's probably
to figure out the perfect way to format titles before you organize things.
And I'm sure you'll take years of board meetings, planning committees,
website surveys, technical consultations, etc., etc. to get anything done.
In the meantime, we have to scrabble through your junk drawers. Let me clean
up your 22-year-old mess. Then, in another decade or so, maybe you can spend
a few thousand dollars trying to comprehend how to clean it up "correctly."
p.s. An administrator expressed interest in the data I have to offer that will
make the commercial side of the website run better, like missing weights,
packaging dimensions, and images. Um . . . how about we organize things first?
Because I'm certain BL would gobble up the requested data and then "forget"
about organizing the mess.
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| | | | | | | Author: | WoutR | | Posted: | Dec 6, 2022 17:05 | | Subject: | Re: Wheels Titles Discussion | | Viewed: | 33 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
| | Thank you all for the input! The votes were:
Approach 5: 2
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Maybe a few more people can support the proposal if we allow for more than 100
minutes to respond
That said, I think that you are doing great work here. Thanks!
| | p.s. An administrator expressed interest in the data I have to offer that will
make the commercial side of the website run better, like missing weights,
packaging dimensions, and images. Um . . . how about we organize things first?
Because I'm certain BL would gobble up the requested data and then "forget"
about organizing the mess.
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Maybe you can provide the missing data for all the parts that have a name in
the new format, solving both catalog problems at once.
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| | | | | Author: | infinibrix | | Posted: | Dec 6, 2022 19:29 | | Subject: | Re: Wheels Titles Discussion | | Viewed: | 47 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| I would only add that it would be a good starting point to always include the
number of wheel spokes where appropriate, some already do but so many more don’t
as my quick example below shows.
If you know the type of wheel and can be confident spokes are included in search
terms you can just search “8 spoke wagon” but even if you don’t know the wheel
type ‘8 spoke’ will narrow things down a lot especially given many wheels don’t
even have spokes
15 spoke
12 spoke
10 spoke
9 spoke
8 spoke
7 spoke
6 spoke
5 spoke
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| | | | | | | Author: | infinibrix | | Posted: | Dec 7, 2022 07:18 | | Subject: | Re: Wheels Titles Discussion | | Viewed: | 40 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, infinibrix writes:
| | I would only add that it would be a good starting point to always include the
number of wheel spokes where appropriate, some already do but so many more don’t
as my quick example below shows.
If you know the type of wheel and can be confident spokes are included in search
terms you can just search “8 spoke wagon” but even if you don’t know the wheel
type ‘8 spoke’ will narrow things down a lot especially given many wheels don’t
even have spokes
15 spoke
12 spoke
10 spoke
9 spoke
8 spoke
7 spoke
6 spoke
5 spoke
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I'm also surprised at the lack of the use of the word 'Rim' as all
those inner wheel parts should always include this term also many wheels connected
by an axle don't include that word either therefore something like this should
have a starter description of 'Wheel Rim Axle':-
Also wherever you have a left and right wheel connected (Dual wheels) give people
the option of narrowing down a search for these items therefore a baseline description
for this might look something like:-
'Dual Wheel Rim with Axle'
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| | | | | Author: | wildchicken13 | | Posted: | Dec 6, 2022 23:26 | | Subject: | Re: Wheels Titles Discussion | | Viewed: | 38 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
| | After considering the entirety of the Wheels category, I think three approaches
are reasonable (skip toward the end for the short version): […]
Thoughts or input?
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I think we should remove wheels from the catalog.
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| | | | | | | Author: | Nubs_Select | | Posted: | Dec 7, 2022 00:02 | | Subject: | Re: Wheels Titles Discussion | | Viewed: | 36 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, wildchicken13 writes:
| | In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
| | After considering the entirety of the Wheels category, I think three approaches
are reasonable (skip toward the end for the short version): […]
Thoughts or input?
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I think we should remove wheels from the catalog.
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+1 they seem complicated are aren’t fun to list are are a pain to take apart
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