Just an idea I’m putting out there for future consideration because with colour
abbreviations it can give you useful options for catalog use/navigation!
For starters I glanced at all the different colours and it didn’t appear to be
too difficult to give each colour a suitable 3 Letter abbreviation though it
goes without saying that a few colours may be forced to have a 4 letter abbreviation
but they will likely be just a very few obscure colours such as Very Light Bluish
Grey (VLBG) or Trans Light Bright Green (TLBG) but even if it became problematic
some colours may not even benefit as much from the need to have an abbreviation
compared to the more widely and commonly used colours
Either way here are just a few quick abbreviation examples:-
Black – BLK
White – WHT
Reddish Brown – RBR
Dark Brown – DBR
Light Bluish Grey – LBG
Dark Bluish Grey – DBG
Dark Grey – DGR
Red – RED
Blue – BLU
Dark Blue – DBL
Green – GRN
Olive Green – OGN
Tan – TAN
Dark Tan – DTN
Orange – ORG
Dark Orange – DOR
Yellow – YEL
It’s also worth mentioning that the idea would be to have these abbreviations
on display wherever we see colour descriptions which is pretty much anywhere
in the catalog and so if we had abbreviations like this I don’t think it would
take long for people to memorize them and put them to good use so that instead
of searching for ‘Dark Tan hair’ they can just search ‘DTN hair’ or instead of
‘Light Bluish Gray Helmets’ they can just search ‘LBG Helmets’. The other benefit
is that where space is limited in descriptions a Torso could contain ‘RBR Belt
Buckle’ instead of ‘Reddish Brown Belt Buckle’
However once you have colour abbreviations in places their uses can be extended
in other ways too for instance if they are combined with a minifigure part to
create a unique combined colour/part reference such as Legs-DBR (Dark Brown Legs)
or Torso-GRN (Green Torso) these combos can be exclusively used to narrow down
search results for minifigures in ways where you barely need to worry about trying
to guess or work out what keywords have been used and in some cases you won’t
even need to know the name of the character!
For Example if I start with this Henry Minifigure description in its most basic
form it would look something like this:-
Granted it’s not the most visually pleasing of minifig descriptions and right
now you’re probably thinking it looks a confusing mess but translated it basically
reads ‘Reddish Brown Torso, Dark Tan Hair, Light Nougat Head and Olive Green
Legs
Now even before I add keywords to that description or even if it already had
keywords and I wasn’t sure what keywords to try? If I had that minifig in my
hand and I didn’t know the name of the character I will at least still be reassured
that with a simple search for some or all of those main minifig part colours
it will either bring up what I’m looking for or narrow it down considerably.
For example if I search for say both ‘Hair-DTN Legs-OGN’ that Henry minifig will
be the only minifigure match that comes up because it’s the only minifigure in
the catalog that currently includes both Dark Tan hair and Olive Green Legs.
Now even if I search for both ‘Hair-DTN Head-LNO’ I’m sure I will still only
get a very small page of matches and that’s before I’ve even attempted to narrow
down with character names Like Luke or Han or the colour/description of the torsos/legs
etc etc...
Essentially if minifigure descriptions were laid out in a format something like
this:-
where the (*) represents where keywords can be added for each core minifigure
component (as/when necessary) it would then mean a revised and more detailed
example of the Henry Minifigure might look something like this even though the
description may not need to be quite as detailed for helping to find this particular
minifig:-
Henry - Torso-RBR, Arms-WHT (Brown Waistcoat, White Tunic), Hair-DTN (Swept Back
Ponytail), Head-LNO (DS, Open Mouth Smile/Worried), Legs-OGN
Its worth mentioning that the ‘DS’ after head represents Double Sided Head (SS
= Single Sided) which would allow you to narrow down even further with just a
couple of extra letters added within search criteria
However one thing to also notice is that you can still search for specific colours
such as the ‘White’ print details found on legs or torsos such as the white tunic
without needing to worry about it bringing up core components in white as they
will only come up if you search ‘Arms-WHT’, Legs-WHT, Torso-WHT, Head-WHT, Hair-WHT
whereas searching for white alone would mean the colour can be set aside for
prints allowing you to be more specific with your overall minifig search results...
Here are a few more examples of how similar minifigs might look:-
I appreciate in might not be to everyone’s liking but it does for the most part
seem to work and I’m pretty sure I could even use it to tackle all those samey
spider-man minifigs without having to worry too much about relying on vague (Web
Pattern) keywords and focusing more on the definitive colours of Torsos, legs,
hips, arms and definitive styles such as printed/legs arms etc…
But again just some ideas for another day perhaps?
Just an idea I’m putting out there for future consideration because with colour
abbreviations it can give you useful options for catalog use/navigation!
[…]
Using tags would bring the same searchability advantages without cluttering the
descriptions with incomprehensible jargon terms.
Just an idea I’m putting out there for future consideration because with colour
abbreviations it can give you useful options for catalog use/navigation!
[…]
Using tags would bring the same searchability advantages without cluttering the
descriptions with incomprehensible jargon terms.
Granted but I don't expect that will be coming anytime soon....
Just an idea I’m putting out there for future consideration because with colour
abbreviations it can give you useful options for catalog use/navigation!
[…]
Using tags would bring the same searchability advantages without cluttering the
descriptions with incomprehensible jargon terms.
Granted but I don't expect that will be coming anytime soon....
And neither will abbreviating all of the color names in the catalog.
Just an idea I’m putting out there for future consideration because with colour
abbreviations it can give you useful options for catalog use/navigation!
[…]
Using tags would bring the same searchability advantages without cluttering the
descriptions with incomprehensible jargon terms.
So what is incomprehensible about ... ?
Bear Costume Guy - Minifigure only Entry - Torso-WHT (Heart and Rainbow), Headgear-CRL
(Mask Bear/Panda), Head-YEL, Left Arm-BLO, Right Arm-CRL, Left Hand-DAZ, Right
Hand-BLO, Hips-CRL, Left Leg-MAZ, Right Leg-BLO.
Just an idea I’m putting out there for future consideration because with colour
abbreviations it can give you useful options for catalog use/navigation!
[…]
Using tags would bring the same searchability advantages without cluttering the
descriptions with incomprehensible jargon terms.
So what is incomprehensible about ... ?
Bear Costume Guy - Minifigure only Entry - Torso-WHT (Heart and Rainbow), Headgear-CRL
(Mask Bear/Panda), Head-YEL, Left Arm-BLO, Right Arm-CRL, Left Hand-DAZ, Right
Hand-BLO, Hips-CRL, Left Leg-MAZ, Right Leg-BLO.
Just an idea I’m putting out there for future consideration because with colour
abbreviations it can give you useful options for catalog use/navigation!
[…]
Using tags would bring the same searchability advantages without cluttering the
descriptions with incomprehensible jargon terms.
So what is incomprehensible about ... ?
Bear Costume Guy - Minifigure only Entry - Torso-WHT (Heart and Rainbow), Headgear-CRL
(Mask Bear/Panda), Head-YEL, Left Arm-BLO, Right Arm-CRL, Left Hand-DAZ, Right
Hand-BLO, Hips-CRL, Left Leg-MAZ, Right Leg-BLO.
You'd probably only bother to reference a complex minifig like this:-
Bear Custume Guy - Torso-WHT (Heart and Rainbow), Headgear-CRL (Mask Bear Panda),
Head-YEL (DS)
Besides most people will already find quite easily with key searches for Bear,
Coral, Rainbow
However with other minifigs where you have lots of Han Solos for instance you
could simply search 'Han Hair-LBG' and that alone will only bring up
these two minifigs:-
Just an idea I’m putting out there for future consideration because with colour
abbreviations it can give you useful options for catalog use/navigation!
[…]
Using tags would bring the same searchability advantages without cluttering the
descriptions with incomprehensible jargon terms.
So what is incomprehensible about ... ?
Bear Costume Guy - Minifigure only Entry - Torso-WHT (Heart and Rainbow), Headgear-CRL
(Mask Bear/Panda), Head-YEL, Left Arm-BLO, Right Arm-CRL, Left Hand-DAZ, Right
Hand-BLO, Hips-CRL, Left Leg-MAZ, Right Leg-BLO.
You'd probably only bother to reference a complex minifig like this:-
Bear Custume Guy - Torso-WHT (Heart and Rainbow), Headgear-CRL (Mask Bear Panda),
Head-YEL (DS)
Besides most people will already find quite easily with key searches for Bear,
Coral, Rainbow
However with other minifigs where you have lots of Han Solos for instance you
could simply search 'Han Hair-LBG' and that alone will only bring up
these two minifigs:-
In truth you'd only need to start including colour references to arms and
things like that if your dealing with complex variations of minifigs such as
spider-man otherwise colour references for the 4 core minifig components would
be sufficients i.e Headgear or Hair, Head, Torso, Legs
Just an idea I’m putting out there for future consideration because with colour
abbreviations it can give you useful options for catalog use/navigation!
For starters I glanced at all the different colours and it didn’t appear to be
too difficult to give each colour a suitable 3 Letter abbreviation though it
goes without saying that a few colours may be forced to have a 4 letter abbreviation
but they will likely be just a very few obscure colours such as Very Light Bluish
Grey (VLBG) or Trans Light Bright Green (TLBG) but even if it became problematic
some colours may not even benefit as much from the need to have an abbreviation
compared to the more widely and commonly used colours
Either way here are just a few quick abbreviation examples:-
Black – BLK
White – WHT
Reddish Brown – RBR
Dark Brown – DBR
Light Bluish Grey – LBG
Dark Bluish Grey – DBG
Dark Grey – DGR
Red – RED
Blue – BLU
Dark Blue – DBL
Green – GRN
Olive Green – OGN
Tan – TAN
Dark Tan – DTN
Orange – ORG
Dark Orange – DOR
Yellow – YEL
It’s also worth mentioning that the idea would be to have these abbreviations
on display wherever we see colour descriptions which is pretty much anywhere
in the catalog and so if we had abbreviations like this I don’t think it would
take long for people to memorize them and put them to good use so that instead
of searching for ‘Dark Tan hair’ they can just search ‘DTN hair’ or instead of
‘Light Bluish Gray Helmets’ they can just search ‘LBG Helmets’. The other benefit
is that where space is limited in descriptions a Torso could contain ‘RBR Belt
Buckle’ instead of ‘Reddish Brown Belt Buckle’
However once you have colour abbreviations in places their uses can be extended
in other ways too for instance if they are combined with a minifigure part to
create a unique combined colour/part reference such as Legs-DBR (Dark Brown Legs)
or Torso-GRN (Green Torso) these combos can be exclusively used to narrow down
search results for minifigures in ways where you barely need to worry about trying
to guess or work out what keywords have been used and in some cases you won’t
even need to know the name of the character!
For Example if I start with this Henry Minifigure description in its most basic
form it would look something like this:-
Granted it’s not the most visually pleasing of minifig descriptions and right
now you’re probably thinking it looks a confusing mess but translated it basically
reads ‘Reddish Brown Torso, Dark Tan Hair, Light Nougat Head and Olive Green
Legs
Now even before I add keywords to that description or even if it already had
keywords and I wasn’t sure what keywords to try? If I had that minifig in my
hand and I didn’t know the name of the character I will at least still be reassured
that with a simple search for some or all of those main minifig part colours
it will either bring up what I’m looking for or narrow it down considerably.
For example if I search for say both ‘Hair-DTN Legs-OGN’ that Henry minifig will
be the only minifigure match that comes up because it’s the only minifigure in
the catalog that currently includes both Dark Tan hair and Olive Green Legs.
Now even if I search for both ‘Hair-DTN Head-LNO’ I’m sure I will still only
get a very small page of matches and that’s before I’ve even attempted to narrow
down with character names Like Luke or Han or the colour/description of the torsos/legs
etc etc...
Essentially if minifigure descriptions were laid out in a format something like
this:-
where the (*) represents where keywords can be added for each core minifigure
component (as/when necessary) it would then mean a revised and more detailed
example of the Henry Minifigure might look something like this even though the
description may not need to be quite as detailed for helping to find this particular
minifig:-
Henry - Torso-RBR, Arms-WHT (Brown Waistcoat, White Tunic), Hair-DTN (Swept Back
Ponytail), Head-LNO (DS, Open Mouth Smile/Worried), Legs-OGN
Its worth mentioning that the ‘DS’ after head represents Double Sided Head (SS
= Single Sided) which would allow you to narrow down even further with just a
couple of extra letters added within search criteria
However one thing to also notice is that you can still search for specific colours
such as the ‘White’ print details found on legs or torsos such as the white tunic
without needing to worry about it bringing up core components in white as they
will only come up if you search ‘Arms-WHT’, Legs-WHT, Torso-WHT, Head-WHT, Hair-WHT
whereas searching for white alone would mean the colour can be set aside for
prints allowing you to be more specific with your overall minifig search results...
Here are a few more examples of how similar minifigs might look:-
I appreciate in might not be to everyone’s liking but it does for the most part
seem to work and I’m pretty sure I could even use it to tackle all those samey
spider-man minifigs without having to worry too much about relying on vague (Web
Pattern) keywords and focusing more on the definitive colours of Torsos, legs,
hips, arms and definitive styles such as printed/legs arms etc…
But again just some ideas for another day perhaps?
If you don't want to type all of the long name, you can use the asterix (*)
to allow partial matches in the part names. This does not catch all situations,
but some at least.
Just an idea I’m putting out there for future consideration because with colour
abbreviations it can give you useful options for catalog use/navigation!
It's a strong idea that's getting some push back. How about...
For color descriptors within the title, just using the color itself
as a small box next to the part within the description, as in the Color Guide?
I've seen this type of catalog item description elsewhere, can't remember
where though
Maybe not doable, I don't know. But it would be clear and succinct.
Just an idea I’m putting out there for future consideration because with colour
abbreviations it can give you useful options for catalog use/navigation!
It's a strong idea that's getting some push back. How about...
For color descriptors within the title, just using the color itself
as a small box next to the part within the description, as in the Color Guide?
And then people will have to hover over the patch to know the name of the colour
because the colours are undistinguishable unless they are side to side and named?
Not very practical, I fear.
I've seen this type of catalog item description elsewhere, can't remember
where though
Maybe not doable, I don't know. But it would be clear and succinct.
Just an idea I’m putting out there for future consideration because with colour
abbreviations it can give you useful options for catalog use/navigation!
It's a strong idea that's getting some push back. How about...
For color descriptors within the title, just using the color itself
as a small box next to the part within the description, as in the Color Guide?
And then people will have to hover over the patch to know the name of the colour
because the colours are undistinguishable unless they are side to side and named?
Not very practical, I fear.
Yeah Popssicle its a terrible idea and almost as bad as the OPs suggestion
Just an idea I’m putting out there for future consideration because with colour
abbreviations it can give you useful options for catalog use/navigation!
It's a strong idea that's getting some push back. How about...
For color descriptors within the title, just using the color itself
as a small box next to the part within the description, as in the Color Guide?
And then people will have to hover over the patch to know the name of the colour
because the colours are undistinguishable unless they are side to side and named?
Not very practical, I fear.
Yeah Popsicle its a terrible idea and almost as bad as the OPs suggestion
Just an idea I’m putting out there for future consideration because with colour
abbreviations it can give you useful options for catalog use/navigation!
For starters I glanced at all the different colours and it didn’t appear to be
too difficult to give each colour a suitable 3 Letter abbreviation though it
goes without saying that a few colours may be forced to have a 4 letter abbreviation
but they will likely be just a very few obscure colours such as Very Light Bluish
Grey (VLBG) or Trans Light Bright Green (TLBG) but even if it became problematic
some colours may not even benefit as much from the need to have an abbreviation
compared to the more widely and commonly used colours
Either way here are just a few quick abbreviation examples:-
Black – BLK
White – WHT
Reddish Brown – RBR
Dark Brown – DBR
Light Bluish Grey – LBG
Dark Bluish Grey – DBG
Dark Grey – DGR
Red – RED
Blue – BLU
Dark Blue – DBL
Green – GRN
Olive Green – OGN
Tan – TAN
Dark Tan – DTN
Orange – ORG
Dark Orange – DOR
Yellow – YEL
It’s also worth mentioning that the idea would be to have these abbreviations
on display wherever we see colour descriptions which is pretty much anywhere
in the catalog and so if we had abbreviations like this I don’t think it would
take long for people to memorize them and put them to good use so that instead
of searching for ‘Dark Tan hair’ they can just search ‘DTN hair’ or instead of
‘Light Bluish Gray Helmets’ they can just search ‘LBG Helmets’. The other benefit
is that where space is limited in descriptions a Torso could contain ‘RBR Belt
Buckle’ instead of ‘Reddish Brown Belt Buckle’
However once you have colour abbreviations in places their uses can be extended
in other ways too for instance if they are combined with a minifigure part to
create a unique combined colour/part reference such as Legs-DBR (Dark Brown Legs)
or Torso-GRN (Green Torso) these combos can be exclusively used to narrow down
search results for minifigures in ways where you barely need to worry about trying
to guess or work out what keywords have been used and in some cases you won’t
even need to know the name of the character!
For Example if I start with this Henry Minifigure description in its most basic
form it would look something like this:-
Granted it’s not the most visually pleasing of minifig descriptions and right
now you’re probably thinking it looks a confusing mess but translated it basically
reads ‘Reddish Brown Torso, Dark Tan Hair, Light Nougat Head and Olive Green
Legs
Now even before I add keywords to that description or even if it already had
keywords and I wasn’t sure what keywords to try? If I had that minifig in my
hand and I didn’t know the name of the character I will at least still be reassured
that with a simple search for some or all of those main minifig part colours
it will either bring up what I’m looking for or narrow it down considerably.
For example if I search for say both ‘Hair-DTN Legs-OGN’ that Henry minifig will
be the only minifigure match that comes up because it’s the only minifigure in
the catalog that currently includes both Dark Tan hair and Olive Green Legs.
Now even if I search for both ‘Hair-DTN Head-LNO’ I’m sure I will still only
get a very small page of matches and that’s before I’ve even attempted to narrow
down with character names Like Luke or Han or the colour/description of the torsos/legs
etc etc...
Essentially if minifigure descriptions were laid out in a format something like
this:-
where the (*) represents where keywords can be added for each core minifigure
component (as/when necessary) it would then mean a revised and more detailed
example of the Henry Minifigure might look something like this even though the
description may not need to be quite as detailed for helping to find this particular
minifig:-
Henry - Torso-RBR, Arms-WHT (Brown Waistcoat, White Tunic), Hair-DTN (Swept Back
Ponytail), Head-LNO (DS, Open Mouth Smile/Worried), Legs-OGN
Its worth mentioning that the ‘DS’ after head represents Double Sided Head (SS
= Single Sided) which would allow you to narrow down even further with just a
couple of extra letters added within search criteria
However one thing to also notice is that you can still search for specific colours
such as the ‘White’ print details found on legs or torsos such as the white tunic
without needing to worry about it bringing up core components in white as they
will only come up if you search ‘Arms-WHT’, Legs-WHT, Torso-WHT, Head-WHT, Hair-WHT
whereas searching for white alone would mean the colour can be set aside for
prints allowing you to be more specific with your overall minifig search results...
Here are a few more examples of how similar minifigs might look:-
I appreciate in might not be to everyone’s liking but it does for the most part
seem to work and I’m pretty sure I could even use it to tackle all those samey
spider-man minifigs without having to worry too much about relying on vague (Web
Pattern) keywords and focusing more on the definitive colours of Torsos, legs,
hips, arms and definitive styles such as printed/legs arms etc…
But again just some ideas for another day perhaps?
The only abbreviations I have ever tried to use for colors are LBG and DBG and
then only when pressed for character space. Abbreviations are often difficult
to read and add to visual clutter. I am not sure why the entire minifig's
inventory would need to be listed in its name when that information is already
searchable? Sorry, I am very not onboard with this suggestion. I did a search
for 'spider-man' limited to minifigs and got 24 results. I can clearly
see all of them on one page of thumbnails and can quickly scan for the differences.
That's good enough for me!
The only abbreviations I have ever tried to use for colors are LBG and DBG and
then only when pressed for character space. Abbreviations are often difficult
to read and add to visual clutter. I am not sure why the entire minifig's
inventory would need to be listed in its name when that information is already
searchable? Sorry, I am very not onboard with this suggestion. I did a search
for 'spider-man' limited to minifigs and got 24 results. I can clearly
see all of them on one page of thumbnails and can quickly scan for the differences.
That's good enough for me!
Jen
Well part of the reason for giving this idea some thought is because minifgs
will apparently need to have their own unique description and cannot rely on
using vague terms like Spider-man 1
The only abbreviations I have ever tried to use for colors are LBG and DBG and
then only when pressed for character space. Abbreviations are often difficult
to read and add to visual clutter. I am not sure why the entire minifig's
inventory would need to be listed in its name when that information is already
searchable? Sorry, I am very not onboard with this suggestion. I did a search
for 'spider-man' limited to minifigs and got 24 results. I can clearly
see all of them on one page of thumbnails and can quickly scan for the differences.
That's good enough for me!
Jen
Well part of the reason for giving this idea some thought is because minifgs
will apparently need to have their own unique description and cannot rely on
using vague terms like Spider-man 1
I do agree that this is a bad title, but this is an example of the more general
issues with many current figure titles, and of the need for improved standards
(which are currently being developed) - Something like “Spider-Man - Silver Web
and Eyes Pattern, Blue Arms and Legs” would be sufficient, and would not
lengthen and clog up names with unnecessary colour-abbreviations.
The only abbreviations I have ever tried to use for colors are LBG and DBG and
then only when pressed for character space. Abbreviations are often difficult
to read and add to visual clutter. I am not sure why the entire minifig's
inventory would need to be listed in its name when that information is already
searchable? Sorry, I am very not onboard with this suggestion. I did a search
for 'spider-man' limited to minifigs and got 24 results. I can clearly
see all of them on one page of thumbnails and can quickly scan for the differences.
That's good enough for me!
Jen
Well part of the reason for giving this idea some thought is because minifgs
will apparently need to have their own unique description and cannot rely on
using vague terms like Spider-man 1
I do agree that this is a bad title, but this is an example of the more general
issues with many current figure titles, and of the need for improved standards
(which are currently being developed) - Something like “Spider-Man - Silver Web
and Eyes Pattern, Blue Arms and Legs” would be sufficient, and would not
lengthen and clog up names with unnecessary colour-abbreviations.
unless those colour abreviations could be used to search but hidden from view
in descriptions because I agree they do look messy
The only abbreviations I have ever tried to use for colors are LBG and DBG and
then only when pressed for character space. Abbreviations are often difficult
to read and add to visual clutter. I am not sure why the entire minifig's
inventory would need to be listed in its name when that information is already
searchable? Sorry, I am very not onboard with this suggestion. I did a search
for 'spider-man' limited to minifigs and got 24 results. I can clearly
see all of them on one page of thumbnails and can quickly scan for the differences.
That's good enough for me!
Jen
Well part of the reason for giving this idea some thought is because minifgs
will apparently need to have their own unique description and cannot rely on
using vague terms like Spider-man 1
I do agree that this is a bad title, but this is an example of the more general
issues with many current figure titles, and of the need for improved standards
(which are currently being developed) - Something like “Spider-Man - Silver Web
and Eyes Pattern, Blue Arms and Legs” would be sufficient, and would not
lengthen and clog up names with unnecessary colour-abbreviations.
unless those colour abreviations could be used to search but hidden from view
in descriptions because I agree they do look messy
That would be something like a tag-system, which we do not have. We all
want a tag-system, but (IIRC) the site cannot currently accommodate one. 😕
The only abbreviations I have ever tried to use for colors are LBG and DBG and
then only when pressed for character space. Abbreviations are often difficult
to read and add to visual clutter. I am not sure why the entire minifig's
inventory would need to be listed in its name when that information is already
searchable? Sorry, I am very not onboard with this suggestion. I did a search
for 'spider-man' limited to minifigs and got 24 results. I can clearly
see all of them on one page of thumbnails and can quickly scan for the differences.
That's good enough for me!
Jen
Well part of the reason for giving this idea some thought is because minifgs
will apparently need to have their own unique description and cannot rely on
using vague terms like Spider-man 1
Just to add how are you getting just 24 Spider-mans on one page as when I search
Spider-man I get 139 results which includes everything from Aunt May to all Spider-mans
nemisis
Just to add how are you getting just 24 Spider-mans on one page as when I search
Spider-man I get 139 results which includes everything from Aunt May to all Spider-mans
nemisis
Just to add how are you getting just 24 Spider-mans on one page as when I search
Spider-man I get 139 results which includes everything from Aunt May to all Spider-mans
nemisis
Okay thanks but back to Jennifers point it might work well if you already know
what minifigure you have in your hand but if you don't know the name of the
character your looking at it may have been a reliable means of searching for
minifgs using these kinds of search options but I get it people(as well as myself)
ar'nt keen with the awkward looking description titles so I won't push
it any further
United Kingdom, England
France, Nouvelle-Aquitaine
USA, Ohio
Netherlands, Groningen
