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| | | Author: | yorbrick  | | Posted: | Feb 12, 2021 12:10 | | Subject: | Inventory Change Request for Set 8313-1 | | Viewed: | 48 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests (Entry) | | Status: | Open | |
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| Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Delete 2 Part gal22 Dark Gray Galidor Limb Leg Nick, Bottom Section with Black Shoe
* Delete 2 Part x283c01 Dark Gray Galidor Limb Leg with Patch Pocket, Pin Socket and Dark Gray Pin
* Delete 2 Part gal16 Medium Violet Galidor Limb Arm Nick, Top Section
* Delete 1 Part gal21 Medium Violet Galidor Torso Nick with Dark Gray Pants
* Delete 1 Part gal10 Nougat Galidor Head Nick, with 1 Pin
* Delete 2 Part gal17 Nougat Galidor Limb Arm Nick, Bottom Section
* Delete 2 Part x281c02 Violet Galidor Wing with Turbine Cannon and Dark Gray Pin
Comments from Submitter:
Converting to figure
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| | | | | Author: | StormChaser | | Posted: | Feb 12, 2021 12:13 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 8313-1 | | Viewed: | 23 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
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| In Inventories Requests, yorbrick writes:
| | Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Delete 2 Part gal22 Dark Gray Galidor Limb Leg Nick, Bottom Section with Black Shoe
* Delete 2 Part x283c01 Dark Gray Galidor Limb Leg with Patch Pocket, Pin Socket and Dark Gray Pin
* Delete 2 Part gal16 Medium Violet Galidor Limb Arm Nick, Top Section
* Delete 1 Part gal21 Medium Violet Galidor Torso Nick with Dark Gray Pants
* Delete 1 Part gal10 Nougat Galidor Head Nick, with 1 Pin
* Delete 2 Part gal17 Nougat Galidor Limb Arm Nick, Bottom Section
* Delete 2 Part x281c02 Violet Galidor Wing with Turbine Cannon and Dark Gray Pin
Comments from Submitter:
Converting to figure
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You're acting from your emotions and feelings here, not your reason or logic.
You would first need to add the figure to the catalog before these requests
could be approved.
I encourage you to work with us on making the situation better rather than sniping
at us from the sidelines.
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| | | | | | | Author: | yorbrick | | Posted: | Feb 12, 2021 12:19 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 8313-1 | | Viewed: | 23 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
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| In Inventories Requests, StormChaser writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, yorbrick writes:
| | Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Delete 2 Part gal22 Dark Gray Galidor Limb Leg Nick, Bottom Section with Black Shoe
* Delete 2 Part x283c01 Dark Gray Galidor Limb Leg with Patch Pocket, Pin Socket and Dark Gray Pin
* Delete 2 Part gal16 Medium Violet Galidor Limb Arm Nick, Top Section
* Delete 1 Part gal21 Medium Violet Galidor Torso Nick with Dark Gray Pants
* Delete 1 Part gal10 Nougat Galidor Head Nick, with 1 Pin
* Delete 2 Part gal17 Nougat Galidor Limb Arm Nick, Bottom Section
* Delete 2 Part x281c02 Violet Galidor Wing with Turbine Cannon and Dark Gray Pin
Comments from Submitter:
Converting to figure
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You're acting from your emotions and feelings here, not your reason or logic.
You would first need to add the figure to the catalog before these requests
could be approved.
I encourage you to work with us on making the situation better rather than sniping
at us from the sidelines.
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I have requested the figure to be added.
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | yorbrick | | Posted: | Feb 12, 2021 12:22 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 8313-1 | | Viewed: | 24 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
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| | | I have requested the figure to be added.
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Do you prefer to wait until the minifig is approved before filing the removals?
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | StormChaser | | Posted: | Feb 12, 2021 12:24 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 8313-1 | | Viewed: | 29 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
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| In Inventories Requests, yorbrick writes:
| | Do you prefer to wait until the minifig is approved before filing the removals?
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I think it would be best to wait until you've had some time to calm down
so that we can have a more rational discussion on this topic.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | yorbrick | | Posted: | Feb 12, 2021 12:37 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 8313-1 | | Viewed: | 30 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
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| In Inventories Requests, StormChaser writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, yorbrick writes:
| | Do you prefer to wait until the minifig is approved before filing the removals?
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I think it would be best to wait until you've had some time to calm down
so that we can have a more rational discussion on this topic.
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You asked for me to be constructive rather than destructive criticism, so I have
started adding missing figures to the catalogue using these published Figure
guidelines: https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=170
Figure classification can sometimes be difficult. Therefore, this section
further clarifies how BrickLink decides if an item is a figure or not.
Figures: Characters, fantasy creatures, humans, mechanical objects, and statues.
Additional clarifications listed below.
Characters - These typically have a face and a name, but always display sentient
behavior beyond that of a similar animal or object.
Nick Bluetooth and so on all come under character, don't they? Even Shimmel.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Admin_Russell | | Posted: | Feb 12, 2021 14:51 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 8313-1 | | Viewed: | 41 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
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| In Inventories Requests, yorbrick writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, StormChaser writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, yorbrick writes:
| | Do you prefer to wait until the minifig is approved before filing the removals?
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I think it would be best to wait until you've had some time to calm down
so that we can have a more rational discussion on this topic.
|
You asked for me to be constructive rather than destructive criticism, so I have
started adding missing figures to the catalogue using these published Figure
guidelines: https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=170
Figure classification can sometimes be difficult. Therefore, this section
further clarifies how BrickLink decides if an item is a figure or not.
Figures: Characters, fantasy creatures, humans, mechanical objects, and statues.
Additional clarifications listed below.
Characters - These typically have a face and a name, but always display sentient
behavior beyond that of a similar animal or object.
Nick Bluetooth and so on all come under character, don't they? Even Shimmel.
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There is also this rule from the Adding Catalog Items Help Page:
Large part assemblies. - Large assemblies of parts that can be built into
figures, vehicles, or other structures often comprise a substantial portion of
a set and should not be added to the catalog. An exception has been made in the
past for some DUPLO vehicles representing fictional characters and some other
large assemblies with the Item Number prefix "spa" which were added as experiment.
If the entire set (or half the set) is used to build a figure / character, we
would be going against precedent to add it to the catalog. Adding it as a minifigure
is even a further stretch.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | bje | | Posted: | Feb 12, 2021 15:21 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 8313-1 | | Viewed: | 31 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
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| In Inventories Requests, Admin_Russell writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, yorbrick writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, StormChaser writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, yorbrick writes:
| | Do you prefer to wait until the minifig is approved before filing the removals?
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I think it would be best to wait until you've had some time to calm down
so that we can have a more rational discussion on this topic.
|
You asked for me to be constructive rather than destructive criticism, so I have
started adding missing figures to the catalogue using these published Figure
guidelines: https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=170
Figure classification can sometimes be difficult. Therefore, this section
further clarifies how BrickLink decides if an item is a figure or not.
Figures: Characters, fantasy creatures, humans, mechanical objects, and statues.
Additional clarifications listed below.
Characters - These typically have a face and a name, but always display sentient
behavior beyond that of a similar animal or object.
Nick Bluetooth and so on all come under character, don't they? Even Shimmel.
|
There is also this rule from the Adding Catalog Items Help Page:
Large part assemblies. - Large assemblies of parts that can be built into
figures, vehicles, or other structures often comprise a substantial portion of
a set and should not be added to the catalog. An exception has been made in the
past for some DUPLO vehicles representing fictional characters and some other
large assemblies with the Item Number prefix "spa" which were added as experiment.
If the entire set (or half the set) is used to build a figure / character, we
would be going against precedent to add it to the catalog. Adding it as a minifigure
is even a further stretch.
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And exactly here is the problem when you and your catalogue team do not speak
with one voice or even have a comparative understanding of what is happening.
The page you refer to:
https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=71
was updated on 18 November 2020 by you, but you apparently did not check that
that the catalogue item minifig does not exist any longer. The information relating
to large part assemblies of figures and the thing previously known as a minifig
have been replaced by the new definition of a "figure"
The new definition of figures are on this page:
https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=170
which has been in existence and confirmed as being active since 1 June 2020 and
which are the definitions used to add the figure items to the catalogue.
On that definition, there is no such thing as a minifig. There are only figures.
A figure can be any size part assembly, says so right there. There is no specific
limitation as to number of parts. There is no specific limitation as to what
percentage of the set must be made up to the figure. For an item to be a catalogue
item as a figure, the only standard that has to be met is that it must be an
autonomous entity. You and your catalogue team should perhaps get together and
actually fix the cross references and actually speak with one voice as to what
exactly is meant when catalogue items are discussed.
It has been pointed out ad nauseum that we still do not have a definition for
a complete minifigure (whatever that is, see above) either - so perhaps it would
be best to complete the definitions such that users are not confused.
And if these figures (note: figures) are in fact figures by definition, there
should be absolutely no reason not to add them as catalogue items.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | yorbrick | | Posted: | Feb 12, 2021 15:35 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 8313-1 | | Viewed: | 24 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
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| In Inventories Requests, bje writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, Admin_Russell writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, yorbrick writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, StormChaser writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, yorbrick writes:
| | Do you prefer to wait until the minifig is approved before filing the removals?
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I think it would be best to wait until you've had some time to calm down
so that we can have a more rational discussion on this topic.
|
You asked for me to be constructive rather than destructive criticism, so I have
started adding missing figures to the catalogue using these published Figure
guidelines: https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=170
Figure classification can sometimes be difficult. Therefore, this section
further clarifies how BrickLink decides if an item is a figure or not.
Figures: Characters, fantasy creatures, humans, mechanical objects, and statues.
Additional clarifications listed below.
Characters - These typically have a face and a name, but always display sentient
behavior beyond that of a similar animal or object.
Nick Bluetooth and so on all come under character, don't they? Even Shimmel.
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There is also this rule from the Adding Catalog Items Help Page:
Large part assemblies. - Large assemblies of parts that can be built into
figures, vehicles, or other structures often comprise a substantial portion of
a set and should not be added to the catalog. An exception has been made in the
past for some DUPLO vehicles representing fictional characters and some other
large assemblies with the Item Number prefix "spa" which were added as experiment.
If the entire set (or half the set) is used to build a figure / character, we
would be going against precedent to add it to the catalog. Adding it as a minifigure
is even a further stretch.
|
And exactly here is the problem when you and your catalogue team do not speak
with one voice or even have a comparative understanding of what is happening.
The page you refer to:
https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=71
was updated on 18 November 2020 by you, but you apparently did not check that
that the catalogue item minifig does not exist any longer. The information relating
to large part assemblies of figures and the thing previously known as a minifig
have been replaced by the new definition of a "figure"
The new definition of figures are on this page:
https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=170
which has been in existence and confirmed as being active since 1 June 2020 and
which are the definitions used to add the figure items to the catalogue.
On that definition, there is no such thing as a minifig. There are only figures.
A figure can be any size part assembly, says so right there. There is no specific
limitation as to number of parts. There is no specific limitation as to what
percentage of the set must be made up to the figure. For an item to be a catalogue
item as a figure, the only standard that has to be met is that it must be an
autonomous entity. You and your catalogue team should perhaps get together and
actually fix the cross references and actually speak with one voice as to what
exactly is meant when catalogue items are discussed.
It has been pointed out ad nauseum that we still do not have a definition for
a complete minifigure (whatever that is, see above) either - so perhaps it would
be best to complete the definitions such that users are not confused.
And if these figures (note: figures) are in fact figures by definition, there
should be absolutely no reason not to add them as catalogue items.
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This is exactly it. There are humans and humanoids that are not figures, whereas
trains with faces are figures. Lego Bricklink uses the terms minifigs and figures
apparently equivalently but not minifigures which is a term used by LEGO (and
BL staff).
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | yorbrick | | Posted: | Feb 12, 2021 15:26 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 8313-1 | | Viewed: | 29 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
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| In Inventories Requests, Admin_Russell writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, yorbrick writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, StormChaser writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, yorbrick writes:
| | Do you prefer to wait until the minifig is approved before filing the removals?
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I think it would be best to wait until you've had some time to calm down
so that we can have a more rational discussion on this topic.
|
You asked for me to be constructive rather than destructive criticism, so I have
started adding missing figures to the catalogue using these published Figure
guidelines: https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=170
Figure classification can sometimes be difficult. Therefore, this section
further clarifies how BrickLink decides if an item is a figure or not.
Figures: Characters, fantasy creatures, humans, mechanical objects, and statues.
Additional clarifications listed below.
Characters - These typically have a face and a name, but always display sentient
behavior beyond that of a similar animal or object.
Nick Bluetooth and so on all come under character, don't they? Even Shimmel.
|
There is also this rule from the Adding Catalog Items Help Page:
Large part assemblies. - Large assemblies of parts that can be built into
figures, vehicles, or other structures often comprise a substantial portion of
a set and should not be added to the catalog. An exception has been made in the
past for some DUPLO vehicles representing fictional characters and some other
large assemblies with the Item Number prefix "spa" which were added as experiment.
If the entire set (or half the set) is used to build a figure / character, we
would be going against precedent to add it to the catalog. Adding it as a minifigure
is even a further stretch.
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So what is special about a Duplo assembly compared to any other assembly? Of
course there are also system based sets where cars are defined here as minifigs
or figures (but not minifigures). I really cannot understand why Duplo train
consisting of four parts is any different to a miniature figurine consisting
of approx 10 parts, yet one is a minifig.
There are even some sets with 3 or 4 parts only to build a miniature figure,
such as
But they are not minifigs, whereas a car or a train is?
As I said, I just don't understand the reasoning, when defining a large train
as a minifigure is not a precedent or a stretch.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | yorbrick | | Posted: | Feb 12, 2021 15:45 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 8313-1 | | Viewed: | 26 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
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| In Inventories Requests, Admin_Russell writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, yorbrick writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, StormChaser writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, yorbrick writes:
| | Do you prefer to wait until the minifig is approved before filing the removals?
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I think it would be best to wait until you've had some time to calm down
so that we can have a more rational discussion on this topic.
|
You asked for me to be constructive rather than destructive criticism, so I have
started adding missing figures to the catalogue using these published Figure
guidelines: https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=170
Figure classification can sometimes be difficult. Therefore, this section
further clarifies how BrickLink decides if an item is a figure or not.
Figures: Characters, fantasy creatures, humans, mechanical objects, and statues.
Additional clarifications listed below.
Characters - These typically have a face and a name, but always display sentient
behavior beyond that of a similar animal or object.
Nick Bluetooth and so on all come under character, don't they? Even Shimmel.
|
There is also this rule from the Adding Catalog Items Help Page:
Large part assemblies. - Large assemblies of parts that can be built into
figures, vehicles, or other structures often comprise a substantial portion of
a set and should not be added to the catalog. An exception has been made in the
past for some DUPLO vehicles representing fictional characters and some other
large assemblies with the Item Number prefix "spa" which were added as experiment.
If the entire set (or half the set) is used to build a figure / character, we
would be going against precedent to add it to the catalog. Adding it as a minifigure
is even a further stretch.
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So a set such as
which currently has one minifig should have four "figures" that would get put
into the category called minifigs, based on one figure that LEGO would normally
refer to as a minifigure and three other assemblies that BL refers to as figures,
even though LEGO would not call them minifigures due to the lack of minifigure
parts. Or do those also have too many parts to be considered as figures?
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | bje | | Posted: | Feb 12, 2021 16:02 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 8313-1 | | Viewed: | 30 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
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| In Inventories Requests, yorbrick writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, Admin_Russell writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, yorbrick writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, StormChaser writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, yorbrick writes:
| | Do you prefer to wait until the minifig is approved before filing the removals?
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I think it would be best to wait until you've had some time to calm down
so that we can have a more rational discussion on this topic.
|
You asked for me to be constructive rather than destructive criticism, so I have
started adding missing figures to the catalogue using these published Figure
guidelines: https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=170
Figure classification can sometimes be difficult. Therefore, this section
further clarifies how BrickLink decides if an item is a figure or not.
Figures: Characters, fantasy creatures, humans, mechanical objects, and statues.
Additional clarifications listed below.
Characters - These typically have a face and a name, but always display sentient
behavior beyond that of a similar animal or object.
Nick Bluetooth and so on all come under character, don't they? Even Shimmel.
|
There is also this rule from the Adding Catalog Items Help Page:
Large part assemblies. - Large assemblies of parts that can be built into
figures, vehicles, or other structures often comprise a substantial portion of
a set and should not be added to the catalog. An exception has been made in the
past for some DUPLO vehicles representing fictional characters and some other
large assemblies with the Item Number prefix "spa" which were added as experiment.
If the entire set (or half the set) is used to build a figure / character, we
would be going against precedent to add it to the catalog. Adding it as a minifigure
is even a further stretch.
|
So a set such as
which currently has one minifig should have four "figures" that would get put
into the category called minifigs, based on one figure that LEGO would normally
refer to as a minifigure and three other assemblies that BL refers to as figures,
even though LEGO would not call them minifigures due to the lack of minifigure
parts. Or do those also have too many parts to be considered as figures?
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Nope, those are all figures all right. They should be catalogued as such and
the change should occur. https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1246481
Catalogue admins are wholly correct - there is absolutely no reason not to do
this and not continue with the changes you initially started with here.
I do get the feeling that site management actually loves these inconsistencies
in the catalogue - it is almost like it gives them something to do. To me it
just seems every time some concerted effort is made to standardise or even just
get moving to some form of consistency, a spanner is thrown in the works and
everything just remains as messy as before and as confusing as ever. What an
utterly weird way to do things.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Admin_Russell | | Posted: | Feb 12, 2021 16:05 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 8313-1 | | Viewed: | 44 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
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| In Inventories Requests, yorbrick writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, Admin_Russell writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, yorbrick writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, StormChaser writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, yorbrick writes:
| | Do you prefer to wait until the minifig is approved before filing the removals?
|
I think it would be best to wait until you've had some time to calm down
so that we can have a more rational discussion on this topic.
|
You asked for me to be constructive rather than destructive criticism, so I have
started adding missing figures to the catalogue using these published Figure
guidelines: https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=170
Figure classification can sometimes be difficult. Therefore, this section
further clarifies how BrickLink decides if an item is a figure or not.
Figures: Characters, fantasy creatures, humans, mechanical objects, and statues.
Additional clarifications listed below.
Characters - These typically have a face and a name, but always display sentient
behavior beyond that of a similar animal or object.
Nick Bluetooth and so on all come under character, don't they? Even Shimmel.
|
There is also this rule from the Adding Catalog Items Help Page:
Large part assemblies. - Large assemblies of parts that can be built into
figures, vehicles, or other structures often comprise a substantial portion of
a set and should not be added to the catalog. An exception has been made in the
past for some DUPLO vehicles representing fictional characters and some other
large assemblies with the Item Number prefix "spa" which were added as experiment.
If the entire set (or half the set) is used to build a figure / character, we
would be going against precedent to add it to the catalog. Adding it as a minifigure
is even a further stretch.
|
So a set such as
which currently has one minifig should have four "figures" that would get put
into the category called minifigs, based on one figure that LEGO would normally
refer to as a minifigure and three other assemblies that BL refers to as figures,
even though LEGO would not call them minifigures due to the lack of minifigure
parts. Or do those also have too many parts to be considered as figures?
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We have not gotten around to the maxifigures yet. There are a number of complications
surrounding them. The most we have done is add counterparts of the head / torso
combinations.
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