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 Author: Dimi_DBB View Messages Posted By Dimi_DBB
 Posted: Oct 19, 2020 16:27
 Subject: Inventory for 164-1
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Hi,

I bought this one incomplete:
 
Set No: 164  Name: Passenger Wagon
* 
164-1 (Inv) Passenger Wagon
152 Parts, 2 Minifigures, 1978
Sets: Train: 4.5V

I found 4 black pcs of each of these in that set:
 
Part No: 3358  Name: Fence Gate 1 x 3 x 2 Lattice
* 
3358 Fence Gate 1 x 3 x 2 Lattice
Parts: Fence {Black}
 
Part No: 3359  Name: Fence Gate 1 x 3 x 2 Base
* 
3359 Fence Gate 1 x 3 x 2 Base
Parts: Fence {Black}
These aren't in the BL inventory and they're also not in the inventory
on Rebrickable, Peeron, ..
BUT! If you look at the box, they are used in one of the alternate models.
That model isn't on the instructions though.
http://www.peeron.com/inv/sets/164-1?showpic=6308

Inventory on BL and Peeron both show "instructions" as source of the inventory
list.
Could it be that they originally were included with the set, even though they
weren't actually used in the instructions?

If yes, can these be added as extras in the inventory, or should that only be
done if someone opens a sealed set?
 Author: Admin_Russell View Messages Posted By Admin_Russell
 Posted: Oct 19, 2020 16:36
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In Inventories, Dimi_DBB writes:
  Hi,

I bought this one incomplete:
 
Set No: 164  Name: Passenger Wagon
* 
164-1 (Inv) Passenger Wagon
152 Parts, 2 Minifigures, 1978
Sets: Train: 4.5V

I found 4 black pcs of each of these in that set:
 
Part No: 3358  Name: Fence Gate 1 x 3 x 2 Lattice
* 
3358 Fence Gate 1 x 3 x 2 Lattice
Parts: Fence {Black}
 
Part No: 3359  Name: Fence Gate 1 x 3 x 2 Base
* 
3359 Fence Gate 1 x 3 x 2 Base
Parts: Fence {Black}
These aren't in the BL inventory and they're also not in the inventory
on Rebrickable, Peeron, ..
BUT! If you look at the box, they are used in one of the alternate models.
That model isn't on the instructions though.
http://www.peeron.com/inv/sets/164-1?showpic=6308

Inventory on BL and Peeron both show "instructions" as source of the inventory
list.
Could it be that they originally were included with the set, even though they
weren't actually used in the instructions?

If yes, can these be added as extras in the inventory, or should that only be
done if someone opens a sealed set?

For sets in this time period, if you see parts used on a box model, they were
most likely included in each set. Look at the underside of the parts to make
sure they are period correct, and if so, I would add them.
 Author: Dimi_DBB View Messages Posted By Dimi_DBB
 Posted: Oct 19, 2020 16:49
 Subject: Re: Inventory for 164-1
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In Inventories, Admin_Russell writes:
  In Inventories, Dimi_DBB writes:
  Hi,

I bought this one incomplete:
 
Set No: 164  Name: Passenger Wagon
* 
164-1 (Inv) Passenger Wagon
152 Parts, 2 Minifigures, 1978
Sets: Train: 4.5V

I found 4 black pcs of each of these in that set:
 
Part No: 3358  Name: Fence Gate 1 x 3 x 2 Lattice
* 
3358 Fence Gate 1 x 3 x 2 Lattice
Parts: Fence {Black}
 
Part No: 3359  Name: Fence Gate 1 x 3 x 2 Base
* 
3359 Fence Gate 1 x 3 x 2 Base
Parts: Fence {Black}
These aren't in the BL inventory and they're also not in the inventory
on Rebrickable, Peeron, ..
BUT! If you look at the box, they are used in one of the alternate models.
That model isn't on the instructions though.
http://www.peeron.com/inv/sets/164-1?showpic=6308

Inventory on BL and Peeron both show "instructions" as source of the inventory
list.
Could it be that they originally were included with the set, even though they
weren't actually used in the instructions?

If yes, can these be added as extras in the inventory, or should that only be
done if someone opens a sealed set?

For sets in this time period, if you see parts used on a box model, they were
most likely included in each set. Look at the underside of the parts to make
sure they are period correct, and if so, I would add them.

They look correct to me.
 
 Author: randyf View Messages Posted By randyf
 Posted: Oct 19, 2020 20:34
 Subject: Re: Inventory for 164-1
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In Inventories, Dimi_DBB writes:
  In Inventories, Admin_Russell writes:
  In Inventories, Dimi_DBB writes:
  Hi,

I bought this one incomplete:
 
Set No: 164  Name: Passenger Wagon
* 
164-1 (Inv) Passenger Wagon
152 Parts, 2 Minifigures, 1978
Sets: Train: 4.5V

I found 4 black pcs of each of these in that set:
 
Part No: 3358  Name: Fence Gate 1 x 3 x 2 Lattice
* 
3358 Fence Gate 1 x 3 x 2 Lattice
Parts: Fence {Black}
 
Part No: 3359  Name: Fence Gate 1 x 3 x 2 Base
* 
3359 Fence Gate 1 x 3 x 2 Base
Parts: Fence {Black}
These aren't in the BL inventory and they're also not in the inventory
on Rebrickable, Peeron, ..
BUT! If you look at the box, they are used in one of the alternate models.
That model isn't on the instructions though.
http://www.peeron.com/inv/sets/164-1?showpic=6308

Inventory on BL and Peeron both show "instructions" as source of the inventory
list.
Could it be that they originally were included with the set, even though they
weren't actually used in the instructions?

If yes, can these be added as extras in the inventory, or should that only be
done if someone opens a sealed set?

For sets in this time period, if you see parts used on a box model, they were
most likely included in each set. Look at the underside of the parts to make
sure they are period correct, and if so, I would add them.

They look correct to me.

I am surprised that none of our resident train experts that have weighed in on
almost everything else train related have never weighed in on this.
 Author: SezaR View Messages Posted By SezaR
 Posted: Oct 19, 2020 22:56
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In Inventories, randyf writes:
  In Inventories, Dimi_DBB writes:
  In Inventories, Admin_Russell writes:
  In Inventories, Dimi_DBB writes:
  Hi,

I bought this one incomplete:
 
Set No: 164  Name: Passenger Wagon
* 
164-1 (Inv) Passenger Wagon
152 Parts, 2 Minifigures, 1978
Sets: Train: 4.5V

I found 4 black pcs of each of these in that set:
 
Part No: 3358  Name: Fence Gate 1 x 3 x 2 Lattice
* 
3358 Fence Gate 1 x 3 x 2 Lattice
Parts: Fence {Black}
 
Part No: 3359  Name: Fence Gate 1 x 3 x 2 Base
* 
3359 Fence Gate 1 x 3 x 2 Base
Parts: Fence {Black}
These aren't in the BL inventory and they're also not in the inventory
on Rebrickable, Peeron, ..
BUT! If you look at the box, they are used in one of the alternate models.
That model isn't on the instructions though.
http://www.peeron.com/inv/sets/164-1?showpic=6308

Inventory on BL and Peeron both show "instructions" as source of the inventory
list.
Could it be that they originally were included with the set, even though they
weren't actually used in the instructions?

If yes, can these be added as extras in the inventory, or should that only be
done if someone opens a sealed set?

For sets in this time period, if you see parts used on a box model, they were
most likely included in each set. Look at the underside of the parts to make
sure they are period correct, and if so, I would add them.

They look correct to me.

I am surprised that none of our resident train experts that have weighed in on
almost everything else train related have never weighed in on this.

Hi Randyf,

I believe you mean in particular me.
Consider the following facts:
- I know certain things but I am not an expert on trains before 1979.
- The inventory of these sets are complicated. As of today, I don't know
for sure all the variations of 4.5v motors.

- there are not many evidence. If you are going to accept my words with some
semi-evidence, I can submit many inventory change requests. Indeed I have few
pending change requests since few months ago

https://www.bricklink.com/catalogInvChangeItem.asp?viewType=E&viewYear=&viewMonth=&viewGeDate=&itemNo=&q=&chgUsername=SezaR&viewStatus=0&itemType=

In particular, the one for 165 is so surprising. I hope I get some time soon
to finish my story I started to post.

122 inventory change requests in pending status is a record on its own


I have some more changes to submit.

- I have not bought this set or many other trains from 70s. I don't have
room to keep them. Without the sets in hand, it is harder and more time-consuming
to study them.
 Author: StormChaser View Messages Posted By StormChaser
 Posted: Oct 19, 2020 23:20
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In Inventories, SezaR writes:
  122 inventory change requests in pending status

Many of your requests concern part variants, which are a contentious issue that
BrickLink does not handle well at all. We hope to have a programming change
that will allow us to more effectively handle variants in set inventories, but
until then (if there ever is a then) I don't think any of us are too eager
to shuffle variants endlessly in and out of inventories.
 Author: randyf View Messages Posted By randyf
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In Inventories, SezaR writes:

  
  I am surprised that none of our resident train experts that have weighed in on
almost everything else train related have never weighed in on this.

Hi Randyf,

I believe you mean in particular me.

Actually, I didn't have anyone particular in mind, Reza.

There are many train experts that have lingered here over the years and still
do, and I had never heard this set mentioned by anyone. I was generally surprised
that I had not.