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| | | Author: | Autour  | | Posted: | Apr 11, 2020 06:53 | | Subject: | 3830c01 Hinge Brick 1 x 4 marked for deletion | | Viewed: | 505 times | | Topic: | Catalog | | Status: | Open | |
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| Hi,
The reason why 3830c01 Hinge Brick 1 x 4 Swivel is marked for deletion is not
justified IMHO ("it sets a precedent for adding dozens of unnecessary combinations
of hinges").
I don't think anyone has the intention to create colour-combinations for
these two parts combined.
Most sellers just want to sell the two parts together to avoid unequal (worthless)
quantities of the underlying parts.
So can this decision be undone please so that new items can be listed?
Best regards,
Kris - Autour des Briques
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| | | | | Author: | hpoort | | Posted: | Apr 11, 2020 07:14 | | Subject: | Re: 3830c01 Hinge Brick 1 x 4 marked for deletion | | Viewed: | 57 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, Autour writes:
| | Hi,
The reason why 3830c01 Hinge Brick 1 x 4 Swivel is marked for deletion is not
justified IMHO ("it sets a precedent for adding dozens of unnecessary combinations
of hinges").
I don't think anyone has the intention to create colour-combinations for
these two parts combined.
Most sellers just want to sell the two parts together to avoid unequal (worthless)
quantities of the underlying parts.
So can this decision be undone please so that new items can be listed?
Best regards,
Kris - Autour des Briques
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There is a slight flaw in your logic:
- if the part sells only symmetrically, you won't end up with unequal amounts;
- if the part sells asymmetrically, which you seem to fear is the case, you may
have unequal amounts at some time, but since your presumption was that parts
sell asymmetrically, this would not be any problem whatsoever, since both parts
will keep on selling in unequal amounts.
Only if one of both sides were used in a popular MOC and the other not, would
demand and prices grow away, like seen at some collectable minifigures.
There are other reasons beyond the one cited:
- whether or not the parts came assembled by LEGO in the first place
- whether inventories of MOC's will state both halves separately (like Studio
does) or together.
Theoretically, you could use the superlot system to bind the left/right or top/bottom
part together (although practically this seems to not work so well with Autobuy).
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| | | | | | | Author: | axaday | | Posted: | Apr 11, 2020 07:21 | | Subject: | Re: 3830c01 Hinge Brick 1 x 4 marked for deletion | | Viewed: | 55 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, hpoort writes:
| | In Catalog, Autour writes:
| | Hi,
The reason why 3830c01 Hinge Brick 1 x 4 Swivel is marked for deletion is not
justified IMHO ("it sets a precedent for adding dozens of unnecessary combinations
of hinges").
I don't think anyone has the intention to create colour-combinations for
these two parts combined.
Most sellers just want to sell the two parts together to avoid unequal (worthless)
quantities of the underlying parts.
So can this decision be undone please so that new items can be listed?
Best regards,
Kris - Autour des Briques
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There is a slight flaw in your logic:
- if the part sells only symmetrically, you won't end up with unequal amounts;
- if the part sells asymmetrically, which you seem to fear is the case, you may
have unequal amounts at some time, but since your presumption was that parts
sell asymmetrically, this would not be any problem whatsoever, since both parts
will keep on selling in unequal amounts.
Only if one of both sides were used in a popular MOC and the other not, would
demand and prices grow away, like seen at some collectable minifigures.
There are other reasons beyond the one cited:
- whether or not the parts came assembled by LEGO in the first place
- whether inventories of MOC's will state both halves separately (like Studio
does) or together.
Theoretically, you could use the superlot system to bind the left/right or top/bottom
part together (although practically this seems to not work so well with Autobuy).
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When they set everyone's default to ignore superlots, they killed the superlot.
Perhaps another function could be made just for paired parts.
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | SylvainLS | | Posted: | Apr 11, 2020 07:30 | | Subject: | Re: 3830c01 Hinge Brick 1 x 4 marked for deletion | | Viewed: | 56 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, axaday writes:
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When they set everyone's default to ignore superlots, they killed the superlot.
Perhaps another function could be made just for paired parts.
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Yes, some kind of superlot but limited to some approved parts.
Whitelisted superlots.
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| | | | | | | Author: | SylvainLS | | Posted: | Apr 11, 2020 07:25 | | Subject: | Re: 3830c01 Hinge Brick 1 x 4 marked for deletion | | Viewed: | 42 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, hpoort writes:
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- whether inventories of MOC's will state both halves separately (like Studio
does) or together.
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Let’s be careful with Studio’s inventories: (if the model doesn’t use them in
a fixed position) they also separate hands and arms and torsos, legs and hips,
2430 and 2429, and so on.
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| | | | | Author: | bje | | Posted: | Apr 11, 2020 07:27 | | Subject: | Re: 3830c01 Hinge Brick 1 x 4 marked for deletion | | Viewed: | 52 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, Autour writes:
| | Hi,
The reason why 3830c01 Hinge Brick 1 x 4 Swivel is marked for deletion is not
justified IMHO ("it sets a precedent for adding dozens of unnecessary combinations
of hinges").
I don't think anyone has the intention to create colour-combinations for
these two parts combined.
Most sellers just want to sell the two parts together to avoid unequal (worthless)
quantities of the underlying parts.
So can this decision be undone please so that new items can be listed?
Best regards,
Kris - Autour des Briques
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As someone who now sit with unequal quantities of the underlying parts in inventory,
I have to agree. I would still sell these as unassembled 3830c01, but at least
it would clean up my listings if we could sell them as a combination without
having to resort to superlots. Those who want to sell them separately, such as
for 3930c*, should of course be welcome to do so.
Alternatively, consider making these a special assembly and update inventories
for counterparts. We do after all have 3930c* as counterparts with all sorts
of colour combinations. We also have listings for these parts as new, despite
such inventory probably being assembled. I do not think I've ever had an
complete assembled 3930c* in any new set. Actually, and I just checked, every
single catalogue entry for 3930c01 is a counterpart.
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| | | | | Author: | Cob | | Posted: | Apr 11, 2020 10:31 | | Subject: | Re: 3830c01 Hinge Brick 1 x 4 marked for deletion | | Viewed: | 44 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, Autour writes:
| | Hi,
The reason why 3830c01 Hinge Brick 1 x 4 Swivel is marked for deletion is not
justified IMHO ("it sets a precedent for adding dozens of unnecessary combinations
of hinges").
I don't think anyone has the intention to create colour-combinations for
these two parts combined.
Most sellers just want to sell the two parts together to avoid unequal (worthless)
quantities of the underlying parts.
So can this decision be undone please so that new items can be listed?
Best regards,
Kris - Autour des Briques
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https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1141635
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| | | | | Author: | Teup | | Posted: | Apr 11, 2020 13:06 | | Subject: | Re: 3830c01 Hinge Brick 1 x 4 marked for deletion | | Viewed: | 48 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, Autour writes:
| | I don't think anyone has the intention to create colour-combinations for
these two parts combined.
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Why not?  Now I wonder if they appear that way in sets... not sure how to check
that efficiently though. Does anybody know?
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Most sellers just want to sell the two parts together to avoid unequal (worthless)
quantities of the underlying parts.
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Isn't that also true for wedges? I don't have this problem.. But I agree
with axaday it would be cool if there was a pairing feature in general, though
I'm not sure in what form or shape that would be exactly.
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| | | | | | | Author: | paulvdb | | Posted: | Apr 11, 2020 13:44 | | Subject: | Re: 3830c01 Hinge Brick 1 x 4 marked for deletion | | Viewed: | 37 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, Teup writes:
| | In Catalog, Autour writes:
| | I don't think anyone has the intention to create colour-combinations for
these two parts combined.
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Why not? Now I wonder if they appear that way in sets... not sure how to check
that efficiently though. Does anybody know?
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There may be others, but I'm not sure how to easily find them.
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| | | | | | | Author: | Hygrotus | | Posted: | Apr 11, 2020 14:09 | | Subject: | Re: 3830c01 Hinge Brick 1 x 4 marked for deletion | | Viewed: | 49 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, Teup writes:
| | In Catalog, Autour writes:
| | I don't think anyone has the intention to create colour-combinations for
these two parts combined.
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Why not? Now I wonder if they appear that way in sets... not sure how to check
that efficiently though. Does anybody know?
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I've checked , here you have results
1978
1x
1x
2002
1x
1x
2004
2x
2x
2006
1x
1x
2008
5x
5x
2010
2x
2x
2012
4x
1x
- here are 4 of first one but only 1 of second one, so here quantities can't
be paired
2013
1x
3x
1x
1x
2x
so here is combination of 1x 3830 White and 1x 3831 Dark Red beside the same
color pair
2014
3x
2x
1x
so here is combination of 1x 3830 LBG and 1x 3831 Medium Nougat beside the
same color pair
2015
2x
2x
2x
1x
2x
1x
so here is combination of 1x 3830 White and 1x 3831 Medium Nougat beside the
same color pair
4x
3x
1x
so here is combination of 1x 3830 LBG and 1x 3831 Medium Nougat beside the
same color pair
2016
2x
2x
4x
3x
1x
so here is combination of 1x 3830 DBG and 1x 3831 Medium Nougat beside the
same color pair
4x
3x
4x
3x
so here is combination of 3x 3830 DBG and 3x 3831 Medium Nougat beside the
same color pair
2017
1x
1x
2018
2x
2x
and here are some different cases
2004
2x
1x
1x
1x
so only one the same color pair but we are left three: 1x LBG 3830, 1x red 3830
and 1x blue 3831 so you can make here one more pair but milticolor and one will
be left without a pair.
1978
only 1x part
wihout part 3830 to pair
1978
only 1x part
wihout part 3830 to pair
only 4x part
wihout part 3830 to pair
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | Hygrotus | | Posted: | Apr 11, 2020 14:19 | | Subject: | Re: 3830c01 Hinge Brick 1 x 4 marked for deletion | | Viewed: | 42 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| Summurizing
There are 18 sets were parts 3830 and 3831 are in different color parts and there
are 13 combination.
(First one is 3830, second 3831)
1) red x white - 1x
2) blue x dark Gray - 1x
3) black x tan - 1x
4) blue x reddish brown - 1x
5) DBG x reddish brown - 1x
6) LBG x DBG - 1x
7) LBG x White - 1x
8) white x dark red - 1x
9) LBG x medium nougat - 4x
10) white x LBG - 1x
11) white x medium nougat - 1x
12) DBG x medium nougat - 2x
13) DBG x LBG - 1x
There are 2 sets in which only part 3830 occur without 3831
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | paulvdb | | Posted: | Apr 11, 2020 14:58 | | Subject: | Re: 3830c01 Hinge Brick 1 x 4 marked for deletion | | Viewed: | 38 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, Hygrotus writes:
| | 2012
4x
1x
- here are 4 of first one but only 1 of second one, so here quantities can't
be paired
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There are actually
5x
4x
1x
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | Teup | | Posted: | Apr 11, 2020 15:11 | | Subject: | Re: 3830c01 Hinge Brick 1 x 4 marked for deletion | | Viewed: | 36 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| Cool, thanks for checking  Didn't know the bottom one ever appeared without
the top one. Breaks the rules in my mind Guess that means the top ones should
be sliiiightly more expensive on Bricklink 
In Catalog, Hygrotus writes:
| | In Catalog, Teup writes:
| | In Catalog, Autour writes:
| | I don't think anyone has the intention to create colour-combinations for
these two parts combined.
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Why not? Now I wonder if they appear that way in sets... not sure how to check
that efficiently though. Does anybody know?
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I've checked , here you have results
1978
1x
1x
2002
1x
1x
2004
2x
2x
2006
1x
1x
2008
5x
5x
2010
2x
2x
2012
4x
1x
- here are 4 of first one but only 1 of second one, so here quantities can't
be paired
2013
1x
3x
1x
1x
2x
so here is combination of 1x 3830 White and 1x 3831 Dark Red beside the same
color pair
2014
3x
2x
1x
so here is combination of 1x 3830 LBG and 1x 3831 Medium Nougat beside the
same color pair
2015
2x
2x
2x
1x
2x
1x
so here is combination of 1x 3830 White and 1x 3831 Medium Nougat beside the
same color pair
4x
3x
1x
so here is combination of 1x 3830 LBG and 1x 3831 Medium Nougat beside the
same color pair
2016
2x
2x
4x
3x
1x
so here is combination of 1x 3830 DBG and 1x 3831 Medium Nougat beside the
same color pair
4x
3x
4x
3x
so here is combination of 3x 3830 DBG and 3x 3831 Medium Nougat beside the
same color pair
2017
1x
1x
2018
2x
2x
and here are some different cases
2004
2x
1x
1x
1x
so only one the same color pair but we are left three: 1x LBG 3830, 1x red 3830
and 1x blue 3831 so you can make here one more pair but milticolor and one will
be left without a pair.
1978
only 1x part
wihout part 3830 to pair
1978
only 1x part
wihout part 3830 to pair
only 4x part
wihout part 3830 to pair
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| | | | | | | Author: | axaday | | Posted: | Apr 11, 2020 15:04 | | Subject: | Re: 3830c01 Hinge Brick 1 x 4 marked for deletion | | Viewed: | 38 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, Teup writes:
| | Isn't that also true for wedges? I don't have this problem.. But I agree
with axaday it would be cool if there was a pairing feature in general, though
I'm not sure in what form or shape that would be exactly.
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It could be restricted to items that already have their pairing recognize as
an official relationship.
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| | | | | | | Author: | Give.Me.A.Brick | | Posted: | Apr 11, 2020 19:08 | | Subject: | Re: 3830c01 Hinge Brick 1 x 4 marked for deletion | | Viewed: | 57 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, Teup writes:
| | In Catalog, Autour writes:
| | I don't think anyone has the intention to create colour-combinations for
these two parts combined.
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Why not? Now I wonder if they appear that way in sets... not sure how to check
that efficiently though. Does anybody know?
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Most sellers just want to sell the two parts together to avoid unequal (worthless)
quantities of the underlying parts.
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Isn't that also true for wedges? I don't have this problem.. But I agree
with axaday it would be cool if there was a pairing feature in general, though
I'm not sure in what form or shape that would be exactly.
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What about the same logic as with the pair of arms?
So a pair of
and would become the new part 2429924307
I would vote yes.
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| | | | | Author: | jennnifer | | Posted: | Apr 11, 2020 15:11 | | Subject: | Re: 3830c01 Hinge Brick 1 x 4 marked for deletion | | Viewed: | 65 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, Autour writes:
| | Hi,
The reason why 3830c01 Hinge Brick 1 x 4 Swivel is marked for deletion is not
justified IMHO ("it sets a precedent for adding dozens of unnecessary combinations
of hinges").
I don't think anyone has the intention to create colour-combinations for
these two parts combined.
Most sellers just want to sell the two parts together to avoid unequal (worthless)
quantities of the underlying parts.
So can this decision be undone please so that new items can be listed?
Best regards,
Kris - Autour des Briques
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The no precedent excuse does not hold water. There is a whole gamut of 3937 assemblies
listed in the catalog. Like Stormchaser stated and is trying to overcome: things
happen here on the whim of a single Admin. This particular case is an example
of an illogical decision.
Jen
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| | | | | Author: | relhak | | Posted: | Apr 12, 2020 14:43 | | Subject: | Re: 3830c01 Hinge Brick 1 x 4 marked for deletion | | Viewed: | 38 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| This should be the seller's choice. Thanks to some obnoxious decision, I
have to manually list treasure chests in sets as a single item. But at least
I still have the choice. Buyers seem willing to pay a little extra to have the
parts grouped together. It saves them the hassle of wading through sellers missing
the counterpart piece. Or worse yet, having to pay shipping on two packages.
Stuart
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