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| | | Author: | calsbricks  | | Posted: | Jan 6, 2020 10:04 | | Subject: | It's a funny old world we live in | | Viewed: | 296 times | | Topic: | Catalog | | Status: | Open | |
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| For quite some time now there have been discussions on the forum about catalogue
changes as well as other areas of improvement to the site (Performance etc.).
There have been lots of different people involved and Russell has commented on
a couple of occasions but of course nothing is out in the open for plans at present
whilst the Lego takeover completes.
One thing I find strange and that is with all the talent (Programming wise) that
exists on the site, coupled with the technical Lego knowledge that also exists,
no one other than a couple of people have chimed in about getting some senior
analysts involved with a plan to redevelop. This is a very complex site but it
can be broken into segments |(elements) many of which can be handled by existing
software. For example the core processing behind the site is an order processing
system. We are aware of at least two products which could deal with that side
of it easily and have been built with 'linking in' other elements in
mind.
Inventory control, which in our opinion, is an essential element which has been
needed for some time is also out there and fits nicely into either of the two
above products. Again this needs an analyst to look at it and report to the decision
makers what needs to be done. It doesn't, with all due respect, require a
programmer to sit down and write the code first.
The catalogue is a different animal and needs a huge amount of thought. The data
currently held is priceless - not sure even Lego have it all, so that needs some
TLC and a significant amount of time spent to come up with the best way forward.
But, and it is a little word with a great big meaning here, the costs of doing
this are nowhere near outrageous and if libraries of code can be used e,g, order
processing, inventory control etc, then huge amounts of money and time can be
saved in achieving what is required.
The redevelopment of this site will not cost a fortune and it was well within
the means of the former owners to accomplish. They chose, for whatever reason,
not to do that - Lets hope that Lego will look at it differently.
Lets get behind hiring some senior analysts and get the project off the ground.
There was never a better time to start than now. With the strength of Lego and
its marketing machine behind the site who knows where we can go.
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| | | | | Author: | StormChaser | | Posted: | Jan 6, 2020 10:19 | | Subject: | Re: Analysts Ruin Everything | | Viewed: | 94 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Problem, calsbricks writes:
| | The catalogue is a different animal and needs a huge amount of thought.
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| | Lets get behind hiring some senior analysts
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I refuse to get behind, in front of, beside, over, or under this in any way until
someone can demonstrate that we, as a community, are incapable of catalog construction
and maintenance.
For 20 years the community has managed the catalog without the help of senior
or junior or any other kinds of analysts. We haven't done things perfectly,
but we have the potential to do much better with member involvement and the support
of management.
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| | | | | | | Author: | calsbricks | | Posted: | Jan 6, 2020 10:27 | | Subject: | Re: Analysts Ruin Everything | | Viewed: | 74 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Problem, StormChaser writes:
| | In Problem, calsbricks writes:
| | The catalogue is a different animal and needs a huge amount of thought.
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| | Lets get behind hiring some senior analysts
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I refuse to get behind, in front of, beside, over, or under this in any way until
someone can demonstrate that we, as a community, are incapable of catalog construction
and maintenance.
For 20 years the community has managed the catalog without the help of senior
or junior or any other kinds of analysts. We haven't done things perfectly,
but we have the potential to do much better with member involvement and the support
of management.
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I am somewhat surprised at your comments. You have also misinterpreted them no
one least of all us is suggesting that we need analysts to get into the catalogue
- that is a community thing and always will be. We have suggested analysts are
required to re-de4sign the site, which includes the catalogue. Remember the catalogue
is two components - software and data. The data comes from the community - the
software comes from analysts and then programmers.
When you were a catadmin you had to ask the bl development team for software
changes to the catalogue - that was to9tally different than making suggestions
as to how the catalogue should be designed.
Look at it another way. If you were to sit down with an analyst and explain how
the catalogue worked and where it needed improvements and they then went away
and came back with a design to make it work that way, they would have done their
job and you as one of the 'experts' in the catalogue would have done
your job by providing them with the information they need to put together a proper
design.
I strongly believe I am asking for them to get involved in technical discussions
about the catalogue - I am not and that is not the job of an analyst - they are
here to listen to how things are supposed to work and then come back with suggestions
as to how to achieve that.
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| | | | | | | Author: | bje | | Posted: | Jan 6, 2020 10:42 | | Subject: | Re: Analysts Ruin Everything | | Viewed: | 85 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Problem, StormChaser writes:
| | In Problem, calsbricks writes:
| | The catalogue is a different animal and needs a huge amount of thought.
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| | Lets get behind hiring some senior analysts
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I refuse to get behind, in front of, beside, over, or under this in any way until
someone can demonstrate that we, as a community, are incapable of catalog construction
and maintenance.
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I really hope you are not offended by this, but with the greatest of respect,
you yourself walked away from this very idea that it should be a community thing.
I think every project you had in place to start, has been on hold for all of
the time you've not been here. And those were to a large extent also cosmetic
as it cannot change the true nature of the catalogue or inventory on here as
the one is maintained with a view to manage a library and the other is done with
a view to manage auction lots.
Analysts are paid to do a job, they have measurable outcomes against a set of
pre-defined goals and they can be held to account. Community based jobbing, on
the other hand, comes to a screeching halt everytime something happens which
somebody somewhere has got some or other issue with. I will not get behind a
community based improvement again until such time as as we can be sure that the
involvement of members do not lead to the improvements being derailed because
of issues beyond the control of the very members who are trying to make the changes.
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For 20 years the community has managed the catalog without the help of senior
or junior or any other kinds of analysts. We haven't done things perfectly,
but we have the potential to do much better with member involvement and the support
of management.
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I agree that members should be involved, but the process of how to manage that
involvement is what is important. The idea that the catalogue is the be all and
end all, is one side of the coin only. Sellers sell lots, and no inventory management
can be efficiently done on site for as long as the disconnect between the catalogue
and stores exist. For that to happen, it will require community involvement,
but more importantly, it would require a major rethink of how things are done
from the ground up - which is precisely why measurable and responsible management
of input is required, thus analysts.
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | calsbricks | | Posted: | Jan 6, 2020 10:57 | | Subject: | Re: Analysts Ruin Everything | | Viewed: | 60 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Problem, bje writes:
| | In Problem, StormChaser writes:
| | In Problem, calsbricks writes:
| | The catalogue is a different animal and needs a huge amount of thought.
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| | Lets get behind hiring some senior analysts
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I refuse to get behind, in front of, beside, over, or under this in any way until
someone can demonstrate that we, as a community, are incapable of catalog construction
and maintenance.
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I really hope you are not offended by this, but with the greatest of respect,
you yourself walked away from this very idea that it should be a community thing.
I think every project you had in place to start, has been on hold for all of
the time you've not been here. And those were to a large extent also cosmetic
as it cannot change the true nature of the catalogue or inventory on here as
the one is maintained with a view to manage a library and the other is done with
a view to manage auction lots.
Analysts are paid to do a job, they have measurable outcomes against a set of
pre-defined goals and they can be held to account. Community based jobbing, on
the other hand, comes to a screeching halt everytime something happens which
somebody somewhere has got some or other issue with. I will not get behind a
community based improvement again until such time as as we can be sure that the
involvement of members do not lead to the improvements being derailed because
of issues beyond the control of the very members who are trying to make the changes.
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For 20 years the community has managed the catalog without the help of senior
or junior or any other kinds of analysts. We haven't done things perfectly,
but we have the potential to do much better with member involvement and the support
of management.
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I agree that members should be involved, but the process of how to manage that
involvement is what is important. The idea that the catalogue is the be all and
end all, is one side of the coin only. Sellers sell lots, and no inventory management
can be efficiently done on site for as long as the disconnect between the catalogue
and stores exist. For that to happen, it will require community involvement,
but more importantly, it would require a major rethink of how things are done
from the ground up - which is precisely why measurable and responsible management
of input is required, thus analysts.
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Thanks Jean - couldn't have put it better myself.
BTW did you see the article 62bricks published the other day about the use of
My Pictures in your terms page. It works and I will be improving mine shortly.
https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1173080
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | bje | | Posted: | Jan 6, 2020 11:23 | | Subject: | Re: Analysts Ruin Everything | | Viewed: | 48 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Problem, calsbricks writes:
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Thanks for that link Bill, we had national electricity and data issues again
over the weekend, so I am still playing catch-up. I took a very quick look at
that now and it looks like I will be able to make this work for my terms pages
and get rid of hosted images. I will try it for invoices as well.
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | StormChaser | | Posted: | Jan 6, 2020 11:08 | | Subject: | Re: Analysts Ruin Everything | | Viewed: | 72 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Problem, bje writes:
| | I really hope you are not offended by this, but with the greatest of respect,
you yourself walked away from this very idea that it should be a community thing.
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It's difficult to offend me, so do not trouble yourself in that regard.
My position on this is commonly misunderstood. I believe I came close to explaining
it well two years ago:
https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1066807
I'm not against volunteerism. I'm against working for free for a for-profit
company on something for which they then claim complete ownership.
Again, it's like going to a major chain supermarket and putting in eight
hours a week stocking shelves for free. It's nonsensical unless you just
enjoy the feeling of being used. But there is a vast difference between that
and volunteering for Wikipedia, which is a non-profit.
I did not walk away from the idea that it should be a community thing.
I walked away from the idea that the work should be a community thing
and the profit and ownership should belong to those who weren't doing
the work.
I walked away from being used and my philosophy is very simple: either pay me
for the work I do or give me some ownership in the work I'm doing.
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Yeah. Maybe I should be gentler with them. I just have a fondness for getting
things done within, say, a given decade.
| | I think every project you had in place to start, has been on hold for all of the time you've not been here.
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I noticed that and I confess some disappointment.
| | And those were to a large extent also cosmetic
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Possibly so. I was working on things that could be worked on within the limited
scope of my position. Obviously I couldn't force the site to implement new
functionality.
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | calsbricks | | Posted: | Jan 6, 2020 11:25 | | Subject: | Re: Analysts Ruin Everything | | Viewed: | 43 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Problem, StormChaser writes:
| | In Problem, bje writes:
| | I really hope you are not offended by this, but with the greatest of respect,
you yourself walked away from this very idea that it should be a community thing.
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It's difficult to offend me, so do not trouble yourself in that regard.
My position on this is commonly misunderstood. I believe I came close to explaining
it well two years ago:
https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1066807
I'm not against volunteerism. I'm against working for free for a for-profit
company on something for which they then claim complete ownership.
Again, it's like going to a major chain supermarket and putting in eight
hours a week stocking shelves for free. It's nonsensical unless you just
enjoy the feeling of being used. But there is a vast difference between that
and volunteering for Wikipedia, which is a non-profit.
I did not walk away from the idea that it should be a community thing.
I walked away from the idea that the work should be a community thing
and the profit and ownership should belong to those who weren't doing
the work.
I walked away from being used and my philosophy is very simple: either pay me
for the work I do or give me some ownership in the work I'm doing.
| | Analysts are paid to do a job
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Yeah. Maybe I should be gentler with them. I just have a fondness for getting
things done within, say, a given decade.
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That isn't how it works normally. We have 2 senior analysts on board and
another contractor we can use when and if required. They are given jobs with
timelines and get paid based on that. It is like everything in life really. Just
look back at the former owners initial letter to the community - filled with
promises that, quite honestly did not make it into reality, or at least most
of them. We, like many others would like to see progress here on the site. That
might have something to do with running a successful business or it might have
something to with something else. Volunteers to non-profit organisations often
do lots of unpaid work and that is normally for a cause and, as you say for a
non-profit organisation. When a business is either making money or increasing
the value of its assets for free there is something not quite right about that
and we agreed with you when you posted your 'goodbye thread'. But as
you say things move on - we want the site to improve (and so do lots and lots
of others) but it isn't going to happen by the seat of its trousers. It
needs thought, careful analysis and a plan that everyone can commit to (including
the members). We feel the only real way to achieve that is get the drawing board
out and get started. That needs 'experts' as well as analysts working
together to achieve what is the way forward.
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| | I think every project you had in place to start, has been on hold for all of the time you've not been here.
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I noticed that and I confess some disappointment.
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Possibly so. I was working on things that could be worked on within the limited
scope of my position. Obviously I couldn't force the site to implement new
functionality.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | SylvainLS | | Posted: | Jan 6, 2020 11:36 | | Subject: | Re: Analysts Ruin Everything | | Viewed: | 45 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Problem, calsbricks writes:
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| | Yeah. Maybe I should be gentler with them. I just have a fondness for getting
things done within, say, a given decade.
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That isn't how it works normally. We have 2 senior analysts on board and
another contractor we can use when and if required. They are given jobs with
timelines and get paid based on that.
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That’s because you’re a (relatively) small structure and have a direct, person-to-person
relation with your analysts.
TLC hires the likes of Accidenture and Debacle.
Look at the S@H website (and even, there you’re relatively lucky because you
speak English).
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | calsbricks | | Posted: | Jan 6, 2020 11:47 | | Subject: | Re: Analysts Ruin Everything | | Viewed: | 49 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Problem, SylvainLS writes:
| | In Problem, calsbricks writes:
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| | Yeah. Maybe I should be gentler with them. I just have a fondness for getting
things done within, say, a given decade.
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That isn't how it works normally. We have 2 senior analysts on board and
another contractor we can use when and if required. They are given jobs with
timelines and get paid based on that.
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That’s because you’re a (relatively) small structure and have a direct, person-to-person
relation with your analysts.
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Correct but my colleagues in this business also have the same results (some are
much larger than us and some are about the same size as us). I agree with you
on large corporates usage - that is strangely why some of us smaller dudes get
the business we do. I cannot reveal names here but our largest customer is a
worldwide organisation with an it department that is probably as large as Microsoft
but they came to us to develop their risk management system and have been using
it for 17 years now - quite happily (Yes and it works - not because we are risk
management people but because our analysts did a good job of listening and design)
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TLC hires the likes of Accidenture and Debacle.
Look at the S@H website (and even, there you’re relatively lucky because you
speak English).
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Everyone makes mistakes  I agree with you that TLG and their current software
site are in need of assistance and that is a worry - but then again what is worse
- no development, development by the seat of your trousers or by someone who
does not understand the application? I know where my choice would li and it isn't
with any of those 3.
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | WildBricks | | Posted: | Jan 6, 2020 12:58 | | Subject: | Re: Analysts Ruin Everything | | Viewed: | 55 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| | | I'm not against volunteerism. I'm against working for free for a for-profit
company on something for which they then claim complete ownership.
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I certainly understood your reasoning then and I think it is doubly true now
that the site is owned by a company with pockets as deep as TLG's. Some sort
of compensation for the insane # of hours and planning you were putting into
the site was absolutely a reasonable request.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | calsbricks | | Posted: | Jan 6, 2020 13:07 | | Subject: | Re: Analysts Ruin Everything | | Viewed: | 46 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Problem, WildBricks writes:
| | | | I'm not against volunteerism. I'm against working for free for a for-profit
company on something for which they then claim complete ownership.
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I certainly understood your reasoning then and I think it is doubly true now
that the site is owned by a company with pockets as deep as TLG's. Some sort
of compensation for the insane # of hours and planning you were putting into
the site was absolutely a reasonable request.
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I do not believe anyone disagrees with that. The problem was the former owner
did not agree and as it was his organisation he felt compelled to refuse the
reasonable request. TLG have much deeper pockets than JK and we hope a much better
idea of how to take the site forward. To that end, I think they should develop
a 'compensation method' for those that spend exhaustive hours helping
the community (and of course the site). Whether that is monetary or otherwise
depends on lots of factors. It should also not be something that can be easily
abused.
Good luck to them in working out a scheme for that, if they decide to.
They have a lot to learn about Bricklink, much more than is apparent and it will
take time for them to adjust, but they do have one thing in abundance that the
former owners did not and that is knowledge of the product. The site has always
had more than its fair share of Lego guru's and now with TLG joining the
foray we must be top of the tower and we as stores have to use that to help grow
our businesses.
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | mfav | | Posted: | Jan 6, 2020 14:03 | | Subject: | Re: Analysts Ruin Everything | | Viewed: | 71 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Problem, StormChaser writes:
| | It's difficult to offend me, so do not trouble yourself in that regard.
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Well, first this: http://v4ei.com/mini-fig-ure-outer/comics/index.php
Second:
Oh, good grief. You can't solve this problem alone, Robert. You can't.
You don't have the requisite tool set.
Bill suggests we get some help from people with the proper tool set to augment
the knowledge you have and you see fit to throw him under the bus.
Tell me the site has worked out all the problems you point out over the past
10 years. Has it? Those problems persist, don't they? Those problems do exist,
continue to not be resolved, and clearly you, we, the community, cannot solve
the problems by ourselves. If they could be resolved by us, then certainly they
would have been over a period of 20 years of community involvement.
Hell, in the thread about what's a tile and what's a plate and so on
you can't come to consensus. So let's have some rules. Because rules
fix everything. F--- all that. Redesign the database properly (this probably
does warrant the involvement of somebody other than you or the community) and
that argument of what something is and what something isn't becomes moot.
Really really wish you'd expend all this good energy you have in investigating
information studies instead of beating the dead horse. Again. Maybe you'd
feel better if Bill stopped using the word "analysts" and started using "information
design specialists".
Anyway, you keep beating your drum, and Bill keep beating his drum, and I'll
keep doing whatever the hell it is that I do.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | calsbricks | | Posted: | Jan 6, 2020 14:49 | | Subject: | Re: Analysts Ruin Everything | | Viewed: | 47 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Problem, mfav writes:
| | In Problem, StormChaser writes:
| | It's difficult to offend me, so do not trouble yourself in that regard.
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Well, first this: http://v4ei.com/mini-fig-ure-outer/comics/index.php
Second:
Oh, good grief. You can't solve this problem alone, Robert. You can't.
You don't have the requisite tool set.
Bill suggests we get some help from people with the proper tool set to augment
the knowledge you have and you see fit to throw him under the bus.
Tell me the site has worked out all the problems you point out over the past
10 years. Has it? Those problems persist, don't they? Those problems do exist,
continue to not be resolved, and clearly you, we, the community, cannot solve
the problems by ourselves. If they could be resolved by us, then certainly they
would have been over a period of 20 years of community involvement.
Hell, in the thread about what's a tile and what's a plate and so on
you can't come to consensus. So let's have some rules. Because rules
fix everything. F--- all that. Redesign the database properly (this probably
does warrant the involvement of somebody other than you or the community) and
that argument of what something is and what something isn't becomes moot.
Really really wish you'd expend all this good energy you have in investigating
information studies instead of beating the dead horse. Again. Maybe you'd
feel better if Bill stopped using the word "analysts" and started using "information
design specialists".
Anyway, you keep beating your drum, and Bill keep beating his drum, and I'll
keep doing whatever the hell it is that I do.
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hi mark
fancy titles like that usually cost more money
I'll stick with analyst I cannot, for the life of me,understand why there
is such open hostility towards that. it's as if what everyone wants - improvement
is just going to happen. we have had 6 years of very little, if any real improvements
(blamed on spaghetti code) and tangent developments like mosaick and the afol
design program which certainly helped the cash situation for BL but did little
for the stores.
I believe it is time to take this seriously now - back to the drawing board -
redesign, program, test, reprogram, test, etc. then document properly then launch.
in the interim period keep the existing site running, fix the bugs and grow the
site via Tlg marketing muscle
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | yorbrick | | Posted: | Jan 6, 2020 15:18 | | Subject: | Re: Analysts Ruin Everything | | Viewed: | 51 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| | | I'll stick with analyst I cannot, for the life of me,understand why there
is such open hostility towards that. it's as if what everyone wants - improvement
is just going to happen. we have had 6 years of very little, if any real improvements
(blamed on spaghetti code) and tangent developments like mosaick and the afol
design program which certainly helped the cash situation for BL but did little
for the stores.
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If it was the AFOL design program that got LEGO interested in the purchase of
BL then it might have done a huge amount for the stores here, at least in the
long term if not the short.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | calsbricks | | Posted: | Jan 6, 2020 15:38 | | Subject: | Re: Analysts Ruin Everything | | Viewed: | 46 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Problem, yorbrick writes:
| | | | I'll stick with analyst I cannot, for the life of me,understand why there
is such open hostility towards that. it's as if what everyone wants - improvement
is just going to happen. we have had 6 years of very little, if any real improvements
(blamed on spaghetti code) and tangent developments like mosaick and the afol
design program which certainly helped the cash situation for BL but did little
for the stores.
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If it was the AFOL design program that got LEGO interested in the purchase of
BL then it might have done a huge amount for the stores here, at least in the
long term if not the short.
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somehow I doubt it but the early press we have seen has reflect Ted a keenest
on it and stud.io
how that is going help existing stores is still very much up in the air
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | mfav | | Posted: | Jan 6, 2020 15:36 | | Subject: | Re: Analysts Ruin Everything | | Viewed: | 46 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Problem, calsbricks writes:
| | I'll stick with analyst I cannot, for the life of me, understand why there
is such open hostility towards that.
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Pretty much every pro football/TV/media talking head "analyst" in the US is an
example of why there's open hostility towards that term. Less accurate than
weathermen and infinitely more obnoxious.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | calsbricks | | Posted: | Jan 6, 2020 15:41 | | Subject: | Re: Analysts Ruin Everything | | Viewed: | 53 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Problem, mfav writes:
| | In Problem, calsbricks writes:
| | I'll stick with analyst I cannot, for the life of me, understand why there
is such open hostility towards that.
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Pretty much every pro football/TV/media talking head "analyst" in the US is an
example of why there's open hostility towards that term. Less accurate than
weathermen and infinitely more obnoxious.
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interesting they are pundits over here.
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| In Problem, calsbricks writes:
| | interesting they are pundits over here.
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Yep. Equally despised and, you know, exactly the same people. But new and improved
with a fresh name! To make us think they're not pundits. Or analysts. Or
abjectly stoopid.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | StormChaser | | Posted: | Jan 6, 2020 15:04 | | Subject: | Re: Analysts Are People, Too | | Viewed: | 52 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Problem, mfav writes:
Fair enough. You're most likely right.
In an ideal world the catalog would be rebuilt as necessary and the database
would be relational in the ways you've advocated. The catalog and its inventories
would then be managed by people with education in an appropriate field (such
as information science).
And all of this is moot anyway, because none of us have any idea what TLG's
plans for the site are. I rather doubt we'll be consulted about or informed
of any major decisions that are made regarding the site.
Therefore, all of us would be wise to take your advice and not get involved in
these kinds of discussions until we see what is to come.
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| | | | | Author: | EnchantedBricks | | Posted: | Jan 6, 2020 11:06 | | Subject: | Re: It's a funny old world we live in | | Viewed: | 47 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Problem, calsbricks writes:
| | For quite some time now there have been discussions on the forum about catalogue
changes as well as other areas of improvement to the site (Performance etc.).
There have been lots of different people involved and Russell has commented on
a couple of occasions but of course nothing is out in the open for plans at present
whilst the Lego takeover completes.
One thing I find strange and that is with all the talent (Programming wise) that
exists on the site, coupled with the technical Lego knowledge that also exists,
no one other than a couple of people have chimed in about getting some senior
analysts involved with a plan to redevelop. This is a very complex site but it
can be broken into segments |(elements) many of which can be handled by existing
software. For example the core processing behind the site is an order processing
system. We are aware of at least two products which could deal with that side
of it easily and have been built with 'linking in' other elements in
mind.
Inventory control, which in our opinion, is an essential element which has been
needed for some time is also out there and fits nicely into either of the two
above products. Again this needs an analyst to look at it and report to the decision
makers what needs to be done. It doesn't, with all due respect, require a
programmer to sit down and write the code first.
The catalogue is a different animal and needs a huge amount of thought. The data
currently held is priceless - not sure even Lego have it all, so that needs some
TLC and a significant amount of time spent to come up with the best way forward.
But, and it is a little word with a great big meaning here, the costs of doing
this are nowhere near outrageous and if libraries of code can be used e,g, order
processing, inventory control etc, then huge amounts of money and time can be
saved in achieving what is required.
The redevelopment of this site will not cost a fortune and it was well within
the means of the former owners to accomplish. They chose, for whatever reason,
not to do that - Lets hope that Lego will look at it differently.
Lets get behind hiring some senior analysts and get the project off the ground.
There was never a better time to start than now. With the strength of Lego and
its marketing machine behind the site who knows where we can go.
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| | | | | | | Author: | calsbricks | | Posted: | Jan 6, 2020 11:09 | | Subject: | Re: It's a funny old world we live in | | Viewed: | 47 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Problem, EnchantedBricks writes:
| | In Problem, calsbricks writes:
| | For quite some time now there have been discussions on the forum about catalogue
changes as well as other areas of improvement to the site (Performance etc.).
There have been lots of different people involved and Russell has commented on
a couple of occasions but of course nothing is out in the open for plans at present
whilst the Lego takeover completes.
One thing I find strange and that is with all the talent (Programming wise) that
exists on the site, coupled with the technical Lego knowledge that also exists,
no one other than a couple of people have chimed in about getting some senior
analysts involved with a plan to redevelop. This is a very complex site but it
can be broken into segments |(elements) many of which can be handled by existing
software. For example the core processing behind the site is an order processing
system. We are aware of at least two products which could deal with that side
of it easily and have been built with 'linking in' other elements in
mind.
Inventory control, which in our opinion, is an essential element which has been
needed for some time is also out there and fits nicely into either of the two
above products. Again this needs an analyst to look at it and report to the decision
makers what needs to be done. It doesn't, with all due respect, require a
programmer to sit down and write the code first.
The catalogue is a different animal and needs a huge amount of thought. The data
currently held is priceless - not sure even Lego have it all, so that needs some
TLC and a significant amount of time spent to come up with the best way forward.
But, and it is a little word with a great big meaning here, the costs of doing
this are nowhere near outrageous and if libraries of code can be used e,g, order
processing, inventory control etc, then huge amounts of money and time can be
saved in achieving what is required.
The redevelopment of this site will not cost a fortune and it was well within
the means of the former owners to accomplish. They chose, for whatever reason,
not to do that - Lets hope that Lego will look at it differently.
Lets get behind hiring some senior analysts and get the project off the ground.
There was never a better time to start than now. With the strength of Lego and
its marketing machine behind the site who knows where we can go.
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I support this message !!
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Thank you for your support.
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| | | | | Author: | StarBrick | | Posted: | Jan 6, 2020 11:41 | | Subject: | Re: It's a funny old world we live in | | Viewed: | 54 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| Good thinking, but it feels like 'Kim' all over again.
I think it wiser to organise a round-table conference like was done before (US
and Europe round tables that was?
Where a delegation of the community collectively with Lego-corp would try to
outline a future for the site including all that has been posted/shared/invented/promised
in the last few years but never saw the light emerging at the end of that tunnel.
And based on that make a schedule with priorities and deadlines and thén get
people on it, managed by... Lego! They own this site and I am sure they will
make have a mucg better approach than 'Kim' had.
(Still not sure he saw this as just another investment vehicle instead of a truly
Lego addicted AFOL community with real treasures....)
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| | | | | | | Author: | calsbricks | | Posted: | Jan 6, 2020 11:51 | | Subject: | Re: It's a funny old world we live in | | Viewed: | 59 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Problem, StarBrick writes:
| | Good thinking, but it feels like 'Kim' all over again.
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Gosh I hope not.
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I think it wiser to organise a round-table conference like was done before (US
and Europe round tables that was?
Where a delegation of the community collectively with Lego-corp would try to
outline a future for the site including all that has been posted/shared/invented/promised
in the last few years but never saw the light emerging at the end of that tunnel.
And based on that make a schedule with priorities and deadlines and thén get
people on it, managed by... Lego! They own this site and I am sure they will
make have a mucg better approach than 'Kim' had.
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Don't disagree totally with that and it could work but it still needs analysts
to take the ideas that are agreed and turn them into design. It also needs experienced
people to sort out the elements of the site - we certainly do not need to redevelop
the 'wheel'. Most accounting systems will deal with the order processing
and billing system - but we need one that caters for linking and that should
come from very senior experienced people.
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(Still not sure he saw this as just another investment vehicle instead of a truly
Lego addicted AFOL community with real treasures....)
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The former we believe. He also tried to acquire several other Lego sites (and
did not succeed).
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