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| | | Author: | SezaR  | | Posted: | Dec 3, 2017 19:26 | | Subject: | Inventory Change Request for Set 7730-1 | | Viewed: | 149 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests (Entry) | | Status: | Open | |
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| Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Change 3 Part Yellow {3943a Cone 4 x 4 x 2 without Axle Hole to 3943b Cone 4 x 4 x 2 with Axle Hole} {match ID 0 to 1}
Comments from Submitter:
I have seen in many sells for this set on various auction sites, that the 3 yellow cones have axle hole. Lego produced both versions since 1979, so this suggests that the second type 3943b was also used by Lego for this set.
I don't think private sellers lost all the original yellow cones 3943a and bought and replaced them with 3943b, as this version is also rare, only used for two sets. One yellow 3943b was used for the set 4982-1 and two were used for 6954-1.
Upon request, I can give the link for some of the sells of this train which come with 3943b.
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| | | | | Author: | SezaR | | Posted: | Dec 4, 2017 16:56 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 7730-1 | | Viewed: | 40 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
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| I checked the current sale for 7730 in Germany, UK and Netherland. About half
of them have 3943b. I upload few images of different sales. Hopfully, the quality
of images are good enough.
In Inventories Requests, sezar543 writes:
| | Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Change 3 Part Yellow {3943a Cone 4 x 4 x 2 without Axle Hole to 3943b Cone 4 x 4 x 2 with Axle Hole} {match ID 0 to 1}
Comments from Submitter:
I have seen in many sells for this set on various auction sites, that the 3 yellow cones have axle hole. Lego produced both versions since 1979, so this suggests that the second type 3943b was also used by Lego for this set.
I don't think private sellers lost all the original yellow cones 3943a and bought and replaced them with 3943b, as this version is also rare, only used for two sets. One yellow 3943b was used for the set 4982-1 and two were used for 6954-1.
Upon request, I can give the link for some of the sells of this train which come with 3943b.
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| | | | | | | Author: | SezaR | | Posted: | Dec 4, 2017 16:56 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 7730-1 | | Viewed: | 34 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
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| In Inventories Requests, sezar543 writes:
| | I checked the current sale for 7730 in Germany, UK and Netherland. About half
of them have 3943b. I upload few images of different sales. Hopfully, the quality
of images are good enough.
In Inventories Requests, sezar543 writes:
| | Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Change 3 Part Yellow {3943a Cone 4 x 4 x 2 without Axle Hole to 3943b Cone 4 x 4 x 2 with Axle Hole} {match ID 0 to 1}
Comments from Submitter:
I have seen in many sells for this set on various auction sites, that the 3 yellow cones have axle hole. Lego produced both versions since 1979, so this suggests that the second type 3943b was also used by Lego for this set.
I don't think private sellers lost all the original yellow cones 3943a and bought and replaced them with 3943b, as this version is also rare, only used for two sets. One yellow 3943b was used for the set 4982-1 and two were used for 6954-1.
Upon request, I can give the link for some of the sells of this train which come with 3943b.
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | SezaR | | Posted: | Dec 4, 2017 16:57 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 7730-1 | | Viewed: | 32 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
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| In Inventories Requests, sezar543 writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, sezar543 writes:
| | I checked the current sale for 7730 in Germany, UK and Netherland. About half
of them have 3943b. I upload few images of different sales. Hopfully, the quality
of images are good enough.
In Inventories Requests, sezar543 writes:
| | Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Change 3 Part Yellow {3943a Cone 4 x 4 x 2 without Axle Hole to 3943b Cone 4 x 4 x 2 with Axle Hole} {match ID 0 to 1}
Comments from Submitter:
I have seen in many sells for this set on various auction sites, that the 3 yellow cones have axle hole. Lego produced both versions since 1979, so this suggests that the second type 3943b was also used by Lego for this set.
I don't think private sellers lost all the original yellow cones 3943a and bought and replaced them with 3943b, as this version is also rare, only used for two sets. One yellow 3943b was used for the set 4982-1 and two were used for 6954-1.
Upon request, I can give the link for some of the sells of this train which come with 3943b.
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | SezaR | | Posted: | Dec 4, 2017 16:58 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 7730-1 | | Viewed: | 31 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
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| In Inventories Requests, sezar543 writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, sezar543 writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, sezar543 writes:
| | I checked the current sale for 7730 in Germany, UK and Netherland. About half
of them have 3943b. I upload few images of different sales. Hopfully, the quality
of images are good enough.
In Inventories Requests, sezar543 writes:
| | Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Change 3 Part Yellow {3943a Cone 4 x 4 x 2 without Axle Hole to 3943b Cone 4 x 4 x 2 with Axle Hole} {match ID 0 to 1}
Comments from Submitter:
I have seen in many sells for this set on various auction sites, that the 3 yellow cones have axle hole. Lego produced both versions since 1979, so this suggests that the second type 3943b was also used by Lego for this set.
I don't think private sellers lost all the original yellow cones 3943a and bought and replaced them with 3943b, as this version is also rare, only used for two sets. One yellow 3943b was used for the set 4982-1 and two were used for 6954-1.
Upon request, I can give the link for some of the sells of this train which come with 3943b.
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| | | | | | | Author: | StormChaser | | Posted: | Dec 4, 2017 17:01 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 7730-1 | | Viewed: | 39 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
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| In Inventories Requests, sezar543 writes:
| | I checked the current sale for 7730 in Germany, UK and Netherland. About half
of them have 3943b. I upload few images of different sales. Hopfully, the quality
of images are good enough.
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Thank you! I'm still working on this request.
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| | | | | Author: | StormChaser | | Posted: | Dec 4, 2017 22:51 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 7730-1 | | Viewed: | 46 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
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| In Inventories Requests, sezar543 writes:
| | Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Change 3 Part Yellow {3943a Cone 4 x 4 x 2 without Axle Hole to 3943b Cone 4 x 4 x 2 with Axle Hole} {match ID 0 to 1}
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I appreciate the amount of time you spent researching this request. After careful
consideration, however, I do not feel there is currently enough evidence to support
the request and it has not been approved.
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| | | | | | | Author: | SezaR | | Posted: | Dec 4, 2017 23:09 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 7730-1 | | Viewed: | 43 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
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| You are welcome.
Otherwise I am sure my request is valid and am willing to find other evidences
supporting it. But, I don't think there is any sealed 7730. What are other
other type of evidence I can find?
In Inventories Requests, StormChaser writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, sezar543 writes:
| | Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Change 3 Part Yellow {3943a Cone 4 x 4 x 2 without Axle Hole to 3943b Cone 4 x 4 x 2 with Axle Hole} {match ID 0 to 1}
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I appreciate the amount of time you spent researching this request. After careful
consideration, however, I do not feel there is currently enough evidence to support
the request and it has not been approved.
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | StormChaser | | Posted: | Dec 5, 2017 01:47 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 7730-1 | | Viewed: | 40 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
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| In Inventories Requests, sezar543 writes:
| | I am sure my request is valid and am willing to find other evidences
supporting it. But, I don't think there is any sealed 7730. What are other
other type of evidence I can find?
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Well, a sealed set would be pretty convincing. Short of that, we'd need
a reliable source who had purchased the set new and never mixed the parts with
other sets. Online auctions, while informative, are problematic when dealing
with a set this old. I would also consider a catalog photo which clearly showed
the part in question.
You could, indeed, be right, and if you find more substantive evidence in the
future, then feel free to resubmit the request.
Two additional observations:
| | I am sure my request is valid
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I trust you're willing to consider the possibility that it may not be? I'm
willing to consider the possibility that it is. 
| | But, I don't think there is any sealed 7730
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There is one for sale here on BrickLink.
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | SezaR | | Posted: | Dec 5, 2017 03:31 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 7730-1 | | Viewed: | 42 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
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| I hadn't seen the sealed one for sale. Maybe it is a new entry.
Did you check with the seller? Hopefully he can help and hopefully if he help,
his 7730 has the version 3943b!
Well, i have been carefully watching all trains on sale since summer. At the
beginning, each time I saw the version 3943b, I thought that the seller had lost
the right version and replaced them with the other type. But this happened for
many many other 7730 on sale. On the other hand, the version 3943b is as rare
as 3943a is.
I am willing to consider that I am wrong but I would be so surprised if I am.
However, I understand that you should be very causuous on accepting any inventory
change. Otherwise, inventories may change weekly!
In Inventories Requests, StormChaser writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, sezar543 writes:
| | I am sure my request is valid and am willing to find other evidences
supporting it. But, I don't think there is any sealed 7730. What are other
other type of evidence I can find?
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Well, a sealed set would be pretty convincing. Short of that, we'd need
a reliable source who had purchased the set new and never mixed the parts with
other sets. Online auctions, while informative, are problematic when dealing
with a set this old. I would also consider a catalog photo which clearly showed
the part in question.
You could, indeed, be right, and if you find more substantive evidence in the
future, then feel free to resubmit the request.
Two additional observations:
| | I am sure my request is valid
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I trust you're willing to consider the possibility that it may not be? I'm
willing to consider the possibility that it is.
| | But, I don't think there is any sealed 7730
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There is one for sale here on BrickLink.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | StormChaser | | Posted: | Dec 5, 2017 03:36 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 7730-1 | | Viewed: | 41 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
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| In Inventories Requests, sezar543 writes:
| | I hadn't seen the sealed one for sale. Maybe it is a new entry.
Did you check with the seller?
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I fear there would be a language barrier, but you might try contacting the seller
and letting me know how it goes. This is what I'm seeing for sale:
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | SezaR | | Posted: | Dec 5, 2017 04:16 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 7730-1 | | Viewed: | 42 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
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| I can speak 4 languages some how, but not korean
I already wrote you.
I can also ask sellers of 7730 here and there, to check if the train they sell
is the one they had in 80s. I guess this would not be an evidence for you.
In Inventories Requests, StormChaser writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, sezar543 writes:
| | I hadn't seen the sealed one for sale. Maybe it is a new entry.
Did you check with the seller?
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I fear there would be a language barrier, but you might try contacting the seller
and letting me know how it goes. This is what I'm seeing for sale:
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Speciale | | Posted: | Dec 5, 2017 12:14 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 7730-1 | | Viewed: | 48 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
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| In Inventories Requests, StormChaser writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, sezar543 writes:
| | I hadn't seen the sealed one for sale. Maybe it is a new entry.
Did you check with the seller?
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I fear there would be a language barrier, but you might try contacting the seller
and letting me know how it goes. This is what I'm seeing for sale:
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I sold and buy 8 sets in the last 12 yaers , never find any set with exel hole
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in the early bricklink years the yelow cone with exel hole cost a few cents and
the ones without exel hole 10$ and more .
the sets/pictures what are used in thes request are probably not correct , who
will own a used set with new gray train rims / tires ?
regards Rohnny
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | StormChaser | | Posted: | Dec 5, 2017 13:16 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 7730-1 | | Viewed: | 35 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
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| In Inventories Requests, brasletty writes:
| | I sold and buy 8 sets in the last 12 yaers , never find any set with exel hole
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in the early bricklink years the yelow cone with exel hole cost a few cents and
the ones without exel hole 10$ and more .
the sets/pictures what are used in thes request are probably not correct , who
will own a used set with new gray train rims / tires ?
regards Rohnny
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Thank you for sharing your expertise, Rohnny. I do appreciate it.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Speciale | | Posted: | Dec 5, 2017 13:33 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 7730-1 | | Viewed: | 35 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
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| In Inventories Requests, StormChaser writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, brasletty writes:
| | I sold and buy 8 sets in the last 12 yaers , never find any set with exel hole
.
in the early bricklink years the yelow cone with exel hole cost a few cents and
the ones without exel hole 10$ and more .
the sets/pictures what are used in thes request are probably not correct , who
will own a used set with new gray train rims / tires ?
regards Rohnny
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Thank you for sharing your expertise, Rohnny. I do appreciate it.
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you are welkom to ask me any help if needed .
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | SezaR | | Posted: | Dec 5, 2017 16:11 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 7730-1 | | Viewed: | 44 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
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| There are three versions of the box, so I think there have been different versions
for the parts too.
I think you had the D/F/NL version, being in Belgium. Maybe this version were
all released with cone 3943a.
But for example, I have seen some UK/I/F versions in UK and France with yellow
cones with axle 3943b.
In Inventories Requests, brasletty writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, StormChaser writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, sezar543 writes:
| | I hadn't seen the sealed one for sale. Maybe it is a new entry.
Did you check with the seller?
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I fear there would be a language barrier, but you might try contacting the seller
and letting me know how it goes. This is what I'm seeing for sale:
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I sold and buy 8 sets in the last 12 yaers , never find any set with exel hole
.
in the early bricklink years the yelow cone with exel hole cost a few cents and
the ones without exel hole 10$ and more .
the sets/pictures what are used in thes request are probably not correct , who
will own a used set with new gray train rims / tires ?
regards Rohnny
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Speciale | | Posted: | Dec 5, 2017 16:41 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 7730-1 | | Viewed: | 47 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
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| In Inventories Requests, sezar543 writes:
| | There are three versions of the box, so I think there have been different versions
for the parts too.
I think you had the D/F/NL version, being in Belgium. Maybe this version were
all released with cone 3943a.
But for example, I have seen some UK/I/F versions in UK and France with yellow
cones with axle 3943b.
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the set is 37 yaers old , all the sets you have seen from UK / I / F where sealed
? there is no different between the Belgium , German , Italy ore France that
are all european sets , what you think is not any proof of the inventory .
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In Inventories Requests, brasletty writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, StormChaser writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, sezar543 writes:
| | I hadn't seen the sealed one for sale. Maybe it is a new entry.
Did you check with the seller?
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I fear there would be a language barrier, but you might try contacting the seller
and letting me know how it goes. This is what I'm seeing for sale:
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I sold and buy 8 sets in the last 12 yaers , never find any set with exel hole
.
in the early bricklink years the yelow cone with exel hole cost a few cents and
the ones without exel hole 10$ and more .
the sets/pictures what are used in thes request are probably not correct , who
will own a used set with new gray train rims / tires ?
regards Rohnny
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | SezaR | | Posted: | Dec 5, 2017 18:07 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 7730-1 | | Viewed: | 45 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
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| The box of 7730 have 3 different versions. See this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_C5tYpmBUQ&t=508s
We know that the other 12v trains such as 7725, 7740, 7745 had different versions;
some parts have alternatives. So why not for 7730?
Since there is not many sealed 7730, I cannot find that neither. If there is
one sealed 7730 out in the market, it would be very expensive.
So I cannot find a 100% proof by just showing a sealed 7730.
However, we can ask people in UK, France and Germany owning this train since
their childhood and that their train have 3943b. This is a good proof.
In Inventories Requests, brasletty writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, sezar543 writes:
| | There are three versions of the box, so I think there have been different versions
for the parts too.
I think you had the D/F/NL version, being in Belgium. Maybe this version were
all released with cone 3943a.
But for example, I have seen some UK/I/F versions in UK and France with yellow
cones with axle 3943b.
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the set is 37 yaers old , all the sets you have seen from UK / I / F where sealed
? there is no different between the Belgium , German , Italy ore France that
are all european sets , what you think is not any proof of the inventory .
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In Inventories Requests, brasletty writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, StormChaser writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, sezar543 writes:
| | I hadn't seen the sealed one for sale. Maybe it is a new entry.
Did you check with the seller?
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I fear there would be a language barrier, but you might try contacting the seller
and letting me know how it goes. This is what I'm seeing for sale:
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I sold and buy 8 sets in the last 12 yaers , never find any set with exel hole
.
in the early bricklink years the yelow cone with exel hole cost a few cents and
the ones without exel hole 10$ and more .
the sets/pictures what are used in thes request are probably not correct , who
will own a used set with new gray train rims / tires ?
regards Rohnny
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | SezaR | | Posted: | Dec 6, 2017 03:43 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 7730-1 | | Viewed: | 42 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
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| Two more semi-evidence:
1) I asked the seller of the following 7730 if he bought this train in his childhood
and if he has replaced the yellow cone:
https://www.ebay.it/itm/152813017599?ul_noapp=true
His answer:
"This Train ist of my childhood. The yellow bricks where Not replaced by me.
Kind regards
Bernd
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The version of its box is D/F/NL.
2) One 7730 was sold recently in France. It had an excellent condition, like
it was never played with. The box very neat, even the plastic bags were kept.
http://www.ebay.ca/itm/Rare-boite-Lego-TRAIN-7730-briques-neuves-jamais-jou%C3%A9/172901510590?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649
For checking the photos, it is better using this link
https://picclick.fr/Rare-boite-Lego-TRAIN-7730-briques-neuves-jamais-172901510590.html
and on the sixth photo, the cone with axle is visible.
The version of the box is again D/F/NL. (this is the version the most common)
and there are many others, like
http://www.ebay.ca/itm/Lego-Eisenbahn-12V-12-Volt-Dampflok-G%C3%BCterzug-7730-mit-BA-OVP-komplett/263014487777?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649
In Inventories Requests, sezar543 writes:
| | The box of 7730 have 3 different versions. See this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_C5tYpmBUQ&t=508s
We know that the other 12v trains such as 7725, 7740, 7745 had different versions;
some parts have alternatives. So why not for 7730?
Since there is not many sealed 7730, I cannot find that neither. If there is
one sealed 7730 out in the market, it would be very expensive.
So I cannot find a 100% proof by just showing a sealed 7730.
However, we can ask people in UK, France and Germany owning this train since
their childhood and that their train have 3943b. This is a good proof.
In Inventories Requests, brasletty writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, sezar543 writes:
| | There are three versions of the box, so I think there have been different versions
for the parts too.
I think you had the D/F/NL version, being in Belgium. Maybe this version were
all released with cone 3943a.
But for example, I have seen some UK/I/F versions in UK and France with yellow
cones with axle 3943b.
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the set is 37 yaers old , all the sets you have seen from UK / I / F where sealed
? there is no different between the Belgium , German , Italy ore France that
are all european sets , what you think is not any proof of the inventory .
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In Inventories Requests, brasletty writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, StormChaser writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, sezar543 writes:
| | I hadn't seen the sealed one for sale. Maybe it is a new entry.
Did you check with the seller?
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I fear there would be a language barrier, but you might try contacting the seller
and letting me know how it goes. This is what I'm seeing for sale:
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I sold and buy 8 sets in the last 12 yaers , never find any set with exel hole
.
in the early bricklink years the yelow cone with exel hole cost a few cents and
the ones without exel hole 10$ and more .
the sets/pictures what are used in thes request are probably not correct , who
will own a used set with new gray train rims / tires ?
regards Rohnny
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| ebay seller with more than 1200 feedback is a perfect evidence that the set is
from his childhood . if you don`t have more proof leave the inventory how it
is . if there is one seller in bricklink who own a set with other cones he can
ad this in his discription .why have to change what is good .
Rohnny
In Inventories Requests, sezar543 writes:
| | Two more semi-evidence:
1) I asked the seller of the following 7730 if he bought this train in his childhood
and if he has replaced the yellow cone:
https://www.ebay.it/itm/152813017599?ul_noapp=true
His answer:
"This Train ist of my childhood. The yellow bricks where Not replaced by me.
Kind regards
Bernd
"
The version of its box is D/F/NL.
2) One 7730 was sold recently in France. It had an excellent condition, like
it was never played with. The box very neat, even the plastic bags were kept.
http://www.ebay.ca/itm/Rare-boite-Lego-TRAIN-7730-briques-neuves-jamais-jou%C3%A9/172901510590?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649
For checking the photos, it is better using this link
https://picclick.fr/Rare-boite-Lego-TRAIN-7730-briques-neuves-jamais-172901510590.html
and on the sixth photo, the cone with axle is visible.
The version of the box is again D/F/NL. (this is the version the most common)
and there are many others, like
http://www.ebay.ca/itm/Lego-Eisenbahn-12V-12-Volt-Dampflok-G%C3%BCterzug-7730-mit-BA-OVP-komplett/263014487777?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649
In Inventories Requests, sezar543 writes:
| | The box of 7730 have 3 different versions. See this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_C5tYpmBUQ&t=508s
We know that the other 12v trains such as 7725, 7740, 7745 had different versions;
some parts have alternatives. So why not for 7730?
Since there is not many sealed 7730, I cannot find that neither. If there is
one sealed 7730 out in the market, it would be very expensive.
So I cannot find a 100% proof by just showing a sealed 7730.
However, we can ask people in UK, France and Germany owning this train since
their childhood and that their train have 3943b. This is a good proof.
In Inventories Requests, brasletty writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, sezar543 writes:
| | There are three versions of the box, so I think there have been different versions
for the parts too.
I think you had the D/F/NL version, being in Belgium. Maybe this version were
all released with cone 3943a.
But for example, I have seen some UK/I/F versions in UK and France with yellow
cones with axle 3943b.
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the set is 37 yaers old , all the sets you have seen from UK / I / F where sealed
? there is no different between the Belgium , German , Italy ore France that
are all european sets , what you think is not any proof of the inventory .
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In Inventories Requests, brasletty writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, StormChaser writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, sezar543 writes:
| | I hadn't seen the sealed one for sale. Maybe it is a new entry.
Did you check with the seller?
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I fear there would be a language barrier, but you might try contacting the seller
and letting me know how it goes. This is what I'm seeing for sale:
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I sold and buy 8 sets in the last 12 yaers , never find any set with exel hole
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in the early bricklink years the yelow cone with exel hole cost a few cents and
the ones without exel hole 10$ and more .
the sets/pictures what are used in thes request are probably not correct , who
will own a used set with new gray train rims / tires ?
regards Rohnny
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| Dear Rohnny,
Please read my message carefully. The seller who said that the train was of his
childhood has only 49 feedback not 1200.
The second seller has 1200 feeback. I did not contact him and he did not claim
that the train was of his childhood. He bought it some where and sold it on Ebay.
Many sellers do that. But the train and box was in prime condition.
I have seen more than 10 trains 7730 with this cones 3943b. about one third (33%)
of all trains 7730 come with the second cones. Did they all change the cones?
I don't think so.
Here is another seller with only 14 feedbacks:
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/202086086008?clk_rvr_id=1385696026058&rmvSB=true
If Lego released some of 7730 with cones 3943b, the inventory HAS to be changed.
As it happened for other sets such as 7725, 7735, 7740, in which some parts are
alternative.
We all know that a seller can write the type of his cones in his description.
But this is a bad idead as it looks like his train is incomplete, which is not
indeed.
I will write in some other forums and ask some other people to confirm this.
Soon or late, more evidence will show up.
In Inventories Requests, brasletty writes:
| | ebay seller with more than 1200 feedback is a perfect evidence that the set is
from his childhood . if you don`t have more proof leave the inventory how it
is . if there is one seller in bricklink who own a set with other cones he can
ad this in his discription .why have to change what is good .
Rohnny
In Inventories Requests, sezar543 writes:
| | Two more semi-evidence:
1) I asked the seller of the following 7730 if he bought this train in his childhood
and if he has replaced the yellow cone:
https://www.ebay.it/itm/152813017599?ul_noapp=true
His answer:
"This Train ist of my childhood. The yellow bricks where Not replaced by me.
Kind regards
Bernd
"
The version of its box is D/F/NL.
2) One 7730 was sold recently in France. It had an excellent condition, like
it was never played with. The box very neat, even the plastic bags were kept.
http://www.ebay.ca/itm/Rare-boite-Lego-TRAIN-7730-briques-neuves-jamais-jou%C3%A9/172901510590?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649
For checking the photos, it is better using this link
https://picclick.fr/Rare-boite-Lego-TRAIN-7730-briques-neuves-jamais-172901510590.html
and on the sixth photo, the cone with axle is visible.
The version of the box is again D/F/NL. (this is the version the most common)
and there are many others, like
http://www.ebay.ca/itm/Lego-Eisenbahn-12V-12-Volt-Dampflok-G%C3%BCterzug-7730-mit-BA-OVP-komplett/263014487777?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649
In Inventories Requests, sezar543 writes:
| | The box of 7730 have 3 different versions. See this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_C5tYpmBUQ&t=508s
We know that the other 12v trains such as 7725, 7740, 7745 had different versions;
some parts have alternatives. So why not for 7730?
Since there is not many sealed 7730, I cannot find that neither. If there is
one sealed 7730 out in the market, it would be very expensive.
So I cannot find a 100% proof by just showing a sealed 7730.
However, we can ask people in UK, France and Germany owning this train since
their childhood and that their train have 3943b. This is a good proof.
In Inventories Requests, brasletty writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, sezar543 writes:
| | There are three versions of the box, so I think there have been different versions
for the parts too.
I think you had the D/F/NL version, being in Belgium. Maybe this version were
all released with cone 3943a.
But for example, I have seen some UK/I/F versions in UK and France with yellow
cones with axle 3943b.
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the set is 37 yaers old , all the sets you have seen from UK / I / F where sealed
? there is no different between the Belgium , German , Italy ore France that
are all european sets , what you think is not any proof of the inventory .
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In Inventories Requests, brasletty writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, StormChaser writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, sezar543 writes:
| | I hadn't seen the sealed one for sale. Maybe it is a new entry.
Did you check with the seller?
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I fear there would be a language barrier, but you might try contacting the seller
and letting me know how it goes. This is what I'm seeing for sale:
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I sold and buy 8 sets in the last 12 yaers , never find any set with exel hole
.
in the early bricklink years the yelow cone with exel hole cost a few cents and
the ones without exel hole 10$ and more .
the sets/pictures what are used in thes request are probably not correct , who
will own a used set with new gray train rims / tires ?
regards Rohnny
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| In Inventories Requests, sezar543 writes:
| | If Lego released some of 7730 with cones 3943b, the inventory HAS to be changed.
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| | I will write in some other forums and ask some other people to confirm this.
Soon or late, more evidence will show up.
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I admire your passion and persistence and wish you luck in your quest.
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| In Inventories Requests, StormChaser writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, sezar543 writes:
| | If Lego released some of 7730 with cones 3943b, the inventory HAS to be changed.
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Soon or late, more evidence will show up.
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I admire your passion and persistence and wish you luck in your quest.
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Thanks Stormchaser. hope I find the truth
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| Well, I think that Sezar is right. However, there will be no definite proof until
someone opens/checks a MISB set that contains the second version.
But I am wondering why you are ignoring the facts and the conclusion.
Fact #1: Many 7730 sets are offered with the second version of the cones.
Fact #2: At all of these offers, the condition and the circumstances vary a lot.
You can find everything in a range from "complete with good box" to "incomplette
rubbish".
So, the next question is:
WHY are so many 7730 offered with the second version of the cones?
Maybe all of these sellers lost or replaced the original parts.
Is that possible? Yes, it is.
Is it likely? No, absolutely not.
Because:
1. What should have been the reason, that all these sellers should have lost
/replaced just these special parts? There is no valid explanation for that.
2. Where shall all the replacement parts (with axle holes) have come from? In
yellow, they were released only in a set from 1987 (which is rather rare) and
another one from 2007. If the parts were taken from these sets, there must exist
a lot incomplete ones, where just these special parts are missing. Again, this
is possible but unlikely.
To be honest, I lost my belief in the accuracy of the BL inventories, regarding
trains from 1980-1990. There are so many items missing, incorrect, unknown. I
have to admit that it was a good base to start with, but meanwhile I set up my
own parts and variants list. I also offered it to BL inventory admins, but there
was no interest...
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| In Inventories Requests, CrazyChris writes:
| | Well, I think that Sezar is right. However, there will be no definite proof until
someone opens/checks a MISB set that contains the second version.
But I am wondering why you are ignoring the facts and the conclusion.
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I am not ignoring this issue. I added an inventory note to the set four days
ago.
I trust we can all agree that the original set came with the yellow part without
the axle hole, so the inventory is accurate. I am willing to admit that it is
possible that a late version of the set could have had the yellow part included
with an axle hole. If that is true, then the inventory neglects to include this
part as an alternate part, but this does not mean that the inventory is inaccurate.
I agree that there is circumstantial evidence of the inclusion of the alternate
part. However, there is no direct evidence and all the circumstantial evidence
I've been presented with comes from auctions. I hope you understand why
auctions would not be considered the most reliable source of evidence for making
a decision.
BrickLink has a lot of LEGO expertise contained within its membership and I imagine
that several members here have owned this set from the day they bought it in
a store. Yet no BrickLink member until yourself has spoken up to support the
change and you have only offered the same evidence as the person who made the
request: people online are selling the set with the second version of the cones.
On that we can agree, but we disagree that it rises to the level of evidence
necessary to change the BrickLink inventory. I'll be happy to change my
mind and the inventory, however, when more substantial evidence surfaces.
| | To be honest, I lost my belief in the accuracy of the BL inventories, regarding
trains from 1980-1990. There are so many items missing, incorrect, unknown. I
have to admit that it was a good base to start with, but meanwhile I set up my
own parts and variants list. I also offered it to BL inventory admins, but there
was no interest...
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I'm sorry that you feel that BrickLink inventories are inaccurate (although
I'm not sure why you feel they're inaccurate only for train sets during
a certain time period). You are welcome to correct inventories any time you
wish by submitting inventory change requests.
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| In Inventories Requests, StormChaser writes:
| | You are welcome to correct inventories any time you
wish by submitting inventory change requests.
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I will not do this, because
- the process of creating a inventory change request is very painful and time-consuming
- very many ICRs would nbe required
- every ICR could be rejected
- to understand the situation, the whole "picture" is required
Instead, I can offer to send a table (Excel, PDF, whatever you want) that shows
the variety of parts (and the ones that BL is missing right now) and their assingment
to the sets.
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| In Inventories Requests, CrazyChris writes:
| | Instead, I can offer to send a table (Excel, PDF, whatever you want) that shows
the variety of parts (and the ones that BL is missing right now) and their assingment
to the sets.
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Sure, I'd be happy to look at whatever you want to send me. I won't
promise anything and I would need to know what sources you are using.
If you can format the table as a photo (jpg or png) that would be great.
You can post it here as a reply if you'd like.
| | I will not do this, because the process of creating a inventory change request is very painful and time-consuming
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Is there a way we can make it easier and less painful? I once thought so also,
until I understood and became comfortable with the form. Now it seems pretty
streamlined to me.
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| In Inventories Requests, StormChaser writes:
| | If you can format the table as a photo (jpg or png) that would be great.
You can post it here as a reply if you'd like.
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If added a screen snippet as preview. The table is too huge to create a single
picture of it. The best option would be to send it to you by E-Mail.
| | Is there a way we can make it easier and less painful? I once thought so also,
until I understood and became comfortable with the form. Now it seems pretty
streamlined to me.
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You have to type in strange things and acronyms:
Item ID? Inv Item ID? Color ID? Action? What the heck?
Everything must be looked up and typed manually.
It looks like a admin interface, not like a user-friendly interface.
Using drop-down menus instead of text fields would be a good start.
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| In Inventories Requests, CrazyChris writes:
| | If added a screen snippet as preview. The table is too huge to create a single
picture of it. The best option would be to send it to you by E-Mail.
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Looks interesting! I'll PM you with an email address.
| | You have to type in strange things and acronyms:
Item ID? Inv Item ID? Color ID? Action? What the heck?
Everything must be looked up and typed manually.
It looks like a admin interface, not like a user-friendly interface.
Using drop-down menus instead of text fields would be a good start.
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I'm afraid a drop-down menu wouldn't be effective because things would
still need to be looked up and it would be nearly impossible to find things on
a drop-down menu. I believe there are over 800,000 Inventory Item IDs (a unique
ID assigned to each inventory item), for example, and something like 48,000 parts
in the catalog - imagine trying to find 1 of 48,000 parts on a drop-down menu.
Each field is explained in detail on this page:
https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=215
I agree there's a bit of a learning curve, but I'm not sure how to make
it any easier. I'm always open to ideas, though, because sometimes even
experienced contributors don't understand how to format requests. If you
have any other ideas for streamlining the process I'd be glad to consider
them.
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| | In Inventories Requests, CrazyChris writes:
| | If added a screen snippet as preview. The table is too huge to create a single
picture of it. The best option would be to send it to you by E-Mail.
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Looks interesting! I'll PM you with an email address.
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I am confused with the mail adresses. The one you sent me by message, it doesn't
work (SMTP error: the email account that you tried to reach does not exist).
I replied to a mail from Stefan and to a mail from Robert. Not sure if you received
the document.
| | I'm afraid a drop-down menu wouldn't be effective because things would
still need to be looked up and it would be nearly impossible to find things on
a drop-down menu. I believe there are over 800,000 Inventory Item IDs (a unique
ID assigned to each inventory item), for example, and something like 48,000 parts
in the catalog - imagine trying to find 1 of 48,000 parts on a drop-down menu.
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Well, the dropdown menu should containt self-descriptive texts instead of acronyms
and technical terms. It should be usable without the need to look something up.
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| It took me more than 30 minutes to fill out this form. I agree with Ccrazychris
that wasn't user-friendly.
The inventories for vintage sets are missing a lot of information. Some sets
were released with different on additional parts, some inventories are missing.
Proving any claim for vintage sets are super hard.
Examples:
- the Canada-only set 442-2 doesn't have any inventory, however there is
a photo online of the parts besides the box. It seems to me accurate. At least
better than nothing.
- the different types of motors bb12v didn't come with all 12v trains. But
the inventory doesn't say anything about this and put all motors on a general
category bb12v
- I think, but admin may explain and confirm, that if for example 3943b is claimed
to be produced since 1979 is because the first set where this part came with
was released in 1979. But I believe all sets with these cones came with 3943a
in 1979. Some time about 1981 Lego improved 3943a and made 3943b and replaced
it. So Those sets released in 1979 with 3943a were in market in 1981 with 3943b.
Then on bricklink inventory, what we see is that the part was produced in 1979,
but the correct year is 1981 (or 1980, or 1982, I am not 100% sure)
It is unlikely that Lego produced this both types at the same time. I just note
that the cone 3943a (no axle) has also a hole from bottom for axle. But it is
ended on top. This is the only difference.
If we assume that I am right about this cone, then I think "inaccurate" is a
better term for the inventory to be as it was (no alternative for 3943a). A seller
from UK or Germany may buy a complete 7730 with 3943b but he has to describe
it as "incomplete" otherwise has to buy three rare yellow cones and replace them.
In Inventories Requests, CrazyChris writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, StormChaser writes:
| | If you can format the table as a photo (jpg or png) that would be great.
You can post it here as a reply if you'd like.
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If added a screen snippet as preview. The table is too huge to create a single
picture of it. The best option would be to send it to you by E-Mail.
| | Is there a way we can make it easier and less painful? I once thought so also,
until I understood and became comfortable with the form. Now it seems pretty
streamlined to me.
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You have to type in strange things and acronyms:
Item ID? Inv Item ID? Color ID? Action? What the heck?
Everything must be looked up and typed manually.
It looks like a admin interface, not like a user-friendly interface.
Using drop-down menus instead of text fields would be a good start.
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| In Inventories Requests, sezar543 writes:
| | It took me more than 30 minutes to fill out this form. I agree with Ccrazychris
that wasn't user-friendly.
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The change form is old and hasn't been updated for a great number of years.
But you should see the form that admins have to use - it's pretty hardcore!
Seriously, though, we've known for a long time that people have issues with
the form. That's one of the reasons we are so lenient when folks make mistakes.
Typically we will accept and then correct instead of rejecting for technical
reasons alone.
| | The inventories for vintage sets are missing a lot of information. Some sets
were released with different on additional parts, some inventories are missing.
Proving any claim for vintage sets are super hard.
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You are not kidding. There is a TON of work to do on vintage BL inventories.
| | Examples:
- the Canada-only set 442-2 doesn't have any inventory, however there is
a photo online of the parts besides the box. It seems to me accurate. At least
better than nothing.
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You can make a stab at one of these remote inventories if you wish. The chances
of finding a sealed one (or even a fully original used one) are extremely low.
| | - the different types of motors bb12v didn't come with all 12v trains. But
the inventory doesn't say anything about this and put all motors on a general
category bb12v.
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We know that the 12V train inventories have some serious problems.
| | - I think, but admin may explain and confirm, that if for example 3943b is claimed
to be produced since 1979 is because the first set where this part came with
was released in 1979. But I believe all sets with these cones came with 3943a
in 1979. Some time about 1981 Lego improved 3943a and made 3943b and replaced
it. So Those sets released in 1979 with 3943a were in market in 1981 with 3943b.
Then on bricklink inventory, what we see is that the part was produced in 1979
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The "years of release" shown on the part's catalog page must be interpreted
correctly. What it means literally is that the part was found in sets that were
initially released between 1979 to 1982. The 1983 reference is due to
being part of:
You also must take into account that the Galaxy Explorer was in production for
at least 5 years, so when you see the new variant in that set, it could have
surfaced in 1983.
| | but the correct year is 1981 (or 1980, or 1982, I am not 100% sure)
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We'll never find out the correct year if people add things to the system
they are not 100% sure of.
| | It is unlikely that Lego produced this both types at the same time. I just note
that the cone 3943a (no axle) has also a hole from bottom for axle. But it is
ended on top. This is the only difference.
If we assume that I am right about this cone, then I think "inaccurate" is a
better term for the inventory to be as it was (no alternative for 3943a). A seller
from UK or Germany may buy a complete 7730 with 3943b but he has to describe
it as "incomplete" otherwise has to buy three rare yellow cones and replace them.
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I'm sorry, that is not correct. A seller can sell the set with the "b" type
and just put a note on the listing mentioning this. If the seller knows the set
is original, that info can also be included. The Incomplete flag is for sets
that are actually missing parts, and it is not required for part variations.
Concerning your observation that certain variants came in certain countries:
https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1067506
This would have been true with the old flags of the 1960's, or maybe CA bricks
in the early 1970's. But as a rule, variants cannot be traced to certain
areas of distribution. Yes, some factories use older molds a little longer, and
distribution can often be linked to a factory's location.
But the notion that certain European countries never had the "b" variant cone
is really a stretch. How would this have worked? It is my understanding that
each country had its own Lego office, and that office determined the scope of
what was offered each year. But I do not believe each country had its own warehouse,
or at least one large enough to have an overstock big enough to effect variants.
Maybe you are right, but it would be really hard to prove this without knowing
how many of each set were sold in each country and other internal information
that we will likely never get from Lego.
And the larger point is that inventories are not "inaccurate" if they don't
contain every variant. They may be considered "incomplete", but not in a way
that impedes their use. Collectors who deal with these vintage sets will understand
not to take the inventory literally. They will use the inventory as a good example
of what they might expect.
The issue of the electric track parts and wiring is different, by the way. This
has more serious implications for buyers and sellers, and we definitely do need
to take a close look at this situation and see if improvements can be made.
Russell
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| Hello,
| | We know that the 12V train inventories have some serious problems.
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We can start with 12v motors then.
| | You can make a stab at one of these remote inventories if you wish. The chances
of finding a sealed one (or even a fully original used one) are extremely low.
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There is a photo of parts and box of 442-1. Can I add them to the inventory?
Otherwise, there is no chance to find the set in new condition. Only collectors
can help. However, I think having something that is most likely correct is better
than no inventory.
| | The "years of release" shown on the part's catalog page must be interpreted
correctly. What it means literally is that the part was found in sets that were
initially released between 1979 to 1982.
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I am using bricklink for some time and didn't know this interpretation. I
don't think it is explained somewhere. It may be a difficult task, but can
we try to change the interpretation to "year of release of the part"?
| | We'll never find out the correct year if people add things to the system
they are not 100% sure of.
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The first year the cone 3943b appeared is very hard to be found out. Maybe we
can put our estimation, something like "some time between 1981-82", whenever
more information appears, we can correct it to 198X. This is just an idea to
start with. Finding the exact information about production of parts and sets
are very hard, if not impossible.
| | I'm sorry, that is not correct. A seller can sell the set with the "b" type
and just put a note on the listing mentioning this. If the seller knows the set
is original, that info can also be included. The Incomplete flag is for sets
that are actually missing parts, and it is not required for part variations.
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If a part variation appears 10 years after the end of production of a set, seller
can use the part and indicate this. But if the seller doesn't indicate this,
the buyer can assume that the set is complete based on the inventory. But if
he/she gets disappointed after receiving the set, can he complain that the set
was not complete or had wrong parts?
| | But the notion that certain European countries never had the "b" variant cone
is really a stretch. How would this have worked? It is my understanding that
each country had its own Lego office, and that office determined the scope of
what was offered each year. But I do not believe each country had its own warehouse,
or at least one large enough to have an overstock big enough to effect variants.
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This can have happened in many ways. I have engineering background, and we know
that the most economic way of production of 1000 copies of 7730 was not to produce
1000 boxes, 1000 motors, 3*1000 yellow cones...; but rather Lego could have produced
many of each part and use the parts in various sets. Let's imagine one scenario.
The company produced many yellow cones 3943a. They sold 7730 with old type 3943a
until 1981. In 1982, they started to improve the part by making an axle in it
and so produced 3943b. Buy the had still 3943a in storage. Meanwhile, the set
7730 was about to run out in Netherland and Belgium. So they first used all cones
and sent the sets to these two countries (for each country, two truck full of
train sets!). This was enough or almost enough until the end of 1982 (the last
year they sold this set). For other countries, they used the new cone.
Something similar to this could have happened.
My observation of seeing about 50 sets in these two countries and also asking
two seller in Belgium is that no 7730 with new cone 3943b. However I have seen
the new cone on this train many times in UK, Germany, Italy and France.
And now I am wondering how I can change or send a request:
- the common type of battery wagon x488c02 comes with red switch. However I have
one with black switch. This can be considered as a variant I guess. How can I
add this type?
- the boxes 7720 and 7730 are exactly of the same size. I have them in my collection.
I guess Lego wanted to save money on designing and production of them. Both sets
were released in 1980. Their sizes on bricklink are
7720: 58 x 23.4 x 9.2 cm
7730: 58 x 23 x 10 cm
The height of 7730 is about 9cm not 10cm, moreover they should be of the same
size. I can find a good measurement and come up with exact size. But I don't
know how to request a change?
In Inventories Requests, Admin_Russell writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, sezar543 writes:
| | It took me more than 30 minutes to fill out this form. I agree with Ccrazychris
that wasn't user-friendly.
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The change form is old and hasn't been updated for a great number of years.
But you should see the form that admins have to use - it's pretty hardcore!
Seriously, though, we've known for a long time that people have issues with
the form. That's one of the reasons we are so lenient when folks make mistakes.
Typically we will accept and then correct instead of rejecting for technical
reasons alone.
| | The inventories for vintage sets are missing a lot of information. Some sets
were released with different on additional parts, some inventories are missing.
Proving any claim for vintage sets are super hard.
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You are not kidding. There is a TON of work to do on vintage BL inventories.
| | Examples:
- the Canada-only set 442-2 doesn't have any inventory, however there is
a photo online of the parts besides the box. It seems to me accurate. At least
better than nothing.
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You can make a stab at one of these remote inventories if you wish. The chances
of finding a sealed one (or even a fully original used one) are extremely low.
| | - the different types of motors bb12v didn't come with all 12v trains. But
the inventory doesn't say anything about this and put all motors on a general
category bb12v.
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We know that the 12V train inventories have some serious problems.
| | - I think, but admin may explain and confirm, that if for example 3943b is claimed
to be produced since 1979 is because the first set where this part came with
was released in 1979. But I believe all sets with these cones came with 3943a
in 1979. Some time about 1981 Lego improved 3943a and made 3943b and replaced
it. So Those sets released in 1979 with 3943a were in market in 1981 with 3943b.
Then on bricklink inventory, what we see is that the part was produced in 1979
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The "years of release" shown on the part's catalog page must be interpreted
correctly. What it means literally is that the part was found in sets that were
initially released between 1979 to 1982. The 1983 reference is due to
being part of:
You also must take into account that the Galaxy Explorer was in production for
at least 5 years, so when you see the new variant in that set, it could have
surfaced in 1983.
| | but the correct year is 1981 (or 1980, or 1982, I am not 100% sure)
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We'll never find out the correct year if people add things to the system
they are not 100% sure of.
| | It is unlikely that Lego produced this both types at the same time. I just note
that the cone 3943a (no axle) has also a hole from bottom for axle. But it is
ended on top. This is the only difference.
If we assume that I am right about this cone, then I think "inaccurate" is a
better term for the inventory to be as it was (no alternative for 3943a). A seller
from UK or Germany may buy a complete 7730 with 3943b but he has to describe
it as "incomplete" otherwise has to buy three rare yellow cones and replace them.
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I'm sorry, that is not correct. A seller can sell the set with the "b" type
and just put a note on the listing mentioning this. If the seller knows the set
is original, that info can also be included. The Incomplete flag is for sets
that are actually missing parts, and it is not required for part variations.
Concerning your observation that certain variants came in certain countries:
https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1067506
This would have been true with the old flags of the 1960's, or maybe CA bricks
in the early 1970's. But as a rule, variants cannot be traced to certain
areas of distribution. Yes, some factories use older molds a little longer, and
distribution can often be linked to a factory's location.
But the notion that certain European countries never had the "b" variant cone
is really a stretch. How would this have worked? It is my understanding that
each country had its own Lego office, and that office determined the scope of
what was offered each year. But I do not believe each country had its own warehouse,
or at least one large enough to have an overstock big enough to effect variants.
Maybe you are right, but it would be really hard to prove this without knowing
how many of each set were sold in each country and other internal information
that we will likely never get from Lego.
And the larger point is that inventories are not "inaccurate" if they don't
contain every variant. They may be considered "incomplete", but not in a way
that impedes their use. Collectors who deal with these vintage sets will understand
not to take the inventory literally. They will use the inventory as a good example
of what they might expect.
The issue of the electric track parts and wiring is different, by the way. This
has more serious implications for buyers and sellers, and we definitely do need
to take a close look at this situation and see if improvements can be made.
Russell
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| In Inventories Requests, sezar543 writes:
| | The height of 7730 is about 9cm not 10cm, moreover they should be of the same
size. I can find a good measurement and come up with exact size. But I don't
know how to request a change?
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You may request changes to sets here:
https://www.bricklink.com/catalogReq.asp?itemType=S
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| I am still working on my request to prove it. But let us review few facts here.
It may be a little bit long and complicated. Sorry in advance!
1) It seems to me that in a sealed 7730, the cones are sited on the bottom of
the box, so probably not visible.
2) even visible, the chance that they come with 3943b is low. Let's assume
that 7730 was only sold in Germany, Netherland, Belgium, Italy, France and UK.
I believe these countries were the main targets of Lego. Among them, Germany,
Netherland and Belgium more than others. Let's assume that the same number
of them were sold in each country. Based on my observation, ALL sets sold in
Belgium and Netherland came with 3943a. Among other countries, something between
third of half of the sets. So in total, only 22% to 33% of the sets 7730 in market
have 3943b. Then we should find few sealed/MISB sets and be lucky to find the
right set.
3) currently there are 8 European sellers for 7730, only one of them is not from
Belgium or Netherland. I guess it is for this reason that the inventory is missing
3943b. Most sellers of 7730 never see 3943b with this train.
4) now, the funniest and most interesting part of story: the part 3943b in any
color (not only yellow) is produced since 1979. (as I expalined earlier, it appears
to me that the first set in which 3943b came with, even as an alternative part,
was produced in 1979 so the part 3943b was produced probably later than 1979)
Based on bricklink inventoryies:
- in 1979, only two sets came with 3943b both as alternative part (five sets
in total came with 3943a)
- in 1980, only two sets came with 3943b both as alternative part (three sets
in total came with 3943a, the only one in which 3943b is not used in 7730)
- in 1981, only two sets came with 3943b, but only one set as alternative part.
Here I asked myself: maybe in some early releases of the other set, the part
3943a was used. The set number is 6842-1. It is a small space set and should
be easy to find a sealed/MISB one and check it.
MAny sellers on Ebay sell this set. I contacted many of them to check which type
of black cone their 6842 had. Maybe about half of them had 3943a and the rest
3943b.
I think We can check this easily.
My conclusion: Lego produced the part 3943b some time between 1981-82. The last
year the train 7730 was released was 1982. After, other 12v trains such as 7727,
7735, and 7745 came to market.
You wrote me that my request was deeply discussed.
In Inventories Requests, StormChaser writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, CrazyChris writes:
| | Well, I think that Sezar is right. However, there will be no definite proof until
someone opens/checks a MISB set that contains the second version.
But I am wondering why you are ignoring the facts and the conclusion.
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I am not ignoring this issue. I added an inventory note to the set four days
ago.
I trust we can all agree that the original set came with the yellow part without
the axle hole, so the inventory is accurate. I am willing to admit that it is
possible that a late version of the set could have had the yellow part included
with an axle hole. If that is true, then the inventory neglects to include this
part as an alternate part, but this does not mean that the inventory is inaccurate.
I agree that there is circumstantial evidence of the inclusion of the alternate
part. However, there is no direct evidence and all the circumstantial evidence
I've been presented with comes from auctions. I hope you understand why
auctions would not be considered the most reliable source of evidence for making
a decision.
BrickLink has a lot of LEGO expertise contained within its membership and I imagine
that several members here have owned this set from the day they bought it in
a store. Yet no BrickLink member until yourself has spoken up to support the
change and you have only offered the same evidence as the person who made the
request: people online are selling the set with the second version of the cones.
On that we can agree, but we disagree that it rises to the level of evidence
necessary to change the BrickLink inventory. I'll be happy to change my
mind and the inventory, however, when more substantial evidence surfaces.
| | To be honest, I lost my belief in the accuracy of the BL inventories, regarding
trains from 1980-1990. There are so many items missing, incorrect, unknown. I
have to admit that it was a good base to start with, but meanwhile I set up my
own parts and variants list. I also offered it to BL inventory admins, but there
was no interest...
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I'm sorry that you feel that BrickLink inventories are inaccurate (although
I'm not sure why you feel they're inaccurate only for train sets during
a certain time period). You are welcome to correct inventories any time you
wish by submitting inventory change requests.
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| In Inventories Requests, sezar543 writes:
| | I am still working on my request to prove it. But let us review few facts here.
It may be a little bit long and complicated. Sorry in advance!
1) It seems to me that in a sealed 7730, the cones are sited on the bottom of
the box, so probably not visible.
2) even visible, the chance that they come with 3943b is low. Let's assume
that 7730 was only sold in Germany, Netherland, Belgium, Italy, France and UK.
I believe these countries were the main targets of Lego. Among them, Germany,
Netherland and Belgium more than others. Let's assume that the same number
of them were sold in each country. Based on my observation, ALL sets sold in
Belgium and Netherland came with 3943a. Among other countries, something between
third of half of the sets. So in total, only 22% to 33% of the sets 7730 in market
have 3943b. Then we should find few sealed/MISB sets and be lucky to find the
right set.
3) currently there are 8 European sellers for 7730, only one of them is not from
Belgium or Netherland. I guess it is for this reason that the inventory is missing
3943b. Most sellers of 7730 never see 3943b with this train.
4) now, the funniest and most interesting part of story: the part 3943b in any
color (not only yellow) is produced since 1979. (as I expalined earlier, it appears
to me that the first set in which 3943b came with, even as an alternative part,
was produced in 1979 so the part 3943b was produced probably later than 1979)
Based on bricklink inventoryies:
- in 1979, only two sets came with 3943b both as alternative part (five sets
in total came with 3943a)
- in 1980, only two sets came with 3943b both as alternative part (three sets
in total came with 3943a, the only one in which 3943b is not used in 7730)
- in 1981, only two sets came with 3943b, but only one set as alternative part.
Here I asked myself: maybe in some early releases of the other set, the part
3943a was used. The set number is 6842-1. It is a small space set and should
be easy to find a sealed/MISB one and check it.
MAny sellers on Ebay sell this set. I contacted many of them to check which type
of black cone their 6842 had. Maybe about half of them had 3943a and the rest
3943b.
I think We can check this easily.
My conclusion: Lego produced the part 3943b some time between 1981-82. The last
year the train 7730 was released was 1982. After, other 12v trains such as 7727,
7735, and 7745 came to market.
You wrote me that my request was deeply discussed.
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Hi
I had also come to the conclusion about your 'point 4' with the -a and
-b types, came as alternate parts in earlier sets.
Attention: the axle hole ones came in space sets, and some were used with an
axle, and think that axle goes through with some ones.
So it is possible that in the later runs from the 7730 sets the -b type was found.
I know some inv. req. are done so without any proof! (I speak in general)
Stefaan
ps: my 7730 version came with the -a type
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| Your 7730 comes with 3943a and you are from Belgium! As I said earlier, all sets
7730 I have seen in Belgium and Netherland come with 3943a.
Have you seen any exception of this in Belgium or Netherland?
In Inventories Requests, elias3 writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, sezar543 writes:
| | I am still working on my request to prove it. But let us review few facts here.
It may be a little bit long and complicated. Sorry in advance!
1) It seems to me that in a sealed 7730, the cones are sited on the bottom of
the box, so probably not visible.
2) even visible, the chance that they come with 3943b is low. Let's assume
that 7730 was only sold in Germany, Netherland, Belgium, Italy, France and UK.
I believe these countries were the main targets of Lego. Among them, Germany,
Netherland and Belgium more than others. Let's assume that the same number
of them were sold in each country. Based on my observation, ALL sets sold in
Belgium and Netherland came with 3943a. Among other countries, something between
third of half of the sets. So in total, only 22% to 33% of the sets 7730 in market
have 3943b. Then we should find few sealed/MISB sets and be lucky to find the
right set.
3) currently there are 8 European sellers for 7730, only one of them is not from
Belgium or Netherland. I guess it is for this reason that the inventory is missing
3943b. Most sellers of 7730 never see 3943b with this train.
4) now, the funniest and most interesting part of story: the part 3943b in any
color (not only yellow) is produced since 1979. (as I expalined earlier, it appears
to me that the first set in which 3943b came with, even as an alternative part,
was produced in 1979 so the part 3943b was produced probably later than 1979)
Based on bricklink inventoryies:
- in 1979, only two sets came with 3943b both as alternative part (five sets
in total came with 3943a)
- in 1980, only two sets came with 3943b both as alternative part (three sets
in total came with 3943a, the only one in which 3943b is not used in 7730)
- in 1981, only two sets came with 3943b, but only one set as alternative part.
Here I asked myself: maybe in some early releases of the other set, the part
3943a was used. The set number is 6842-1. It is a small space set and should
be easy to find a sealed/MISB one and check it.
MAny sellers on Ebay sell this set. I contacted many of them to check which type
of black cone their 6842 had. Maybe about half of them had 3943a and the rest
3943b.
I think We can check this easily.
My conclusion: Lego produced the part 3943b some time between 1981-82. The last
year the train 7730 was released was 1982. After, other 12v trains such as 7727,
7735, and 7745 came to market.
You wrote me that my request was deeply discussed.
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Hi
I had also come to the conclusion about your 'point 4' with the -a and
-b types, came as alternate parts in earlier sets.
Attention: the axle hole ones came in space sets, and some were used with an
axle, and think that axle goes through with some ones.
So it is possible that in the later runs from the 7730 sets the -b type was found.
I know some inv. req. are done so without any proof! (I speak in general)
Stefaan
ps: my 7730 version came with the -a type
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| I got an evidence to support my claim for the set 6842. In the inventory, this
set from 1981 comes with 1*black cone 3943b. I have a proof that this set also
came with 3943a. But I don't know how to apply for a change of inventory.
Since the part 3943a (in 1979) came before 3943b (I belive some time in 1981-82)
the part 3943a should come as the main part and 3943b as alternative.
Do I need to submit three reuqests as follows
- Add a new part 3943a,
- remove 3943b,
- add 3943b as an alternative.
Or, is there a direct way to do all this at the same time?
In Inventories Requests, sezar543 writes:
| | Your 7730 comes with 3943a and you are from Belgium! As I said earlier, all sets
7730 I have seen in Belgium and Netherland come with 3943a.
Have you seen any exception of this in Belgium or Netherland?
In Inventories Requests, elias3 writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, sezar543 writes:
| | I am still working on my request to prove it. But let us review few facts here.
It may be a little bit long and complicated. Sorry in advance!
1) It seems to me that in a sealed 7730, the cones are sited on the bottom of
the box, so probably not visible.
2) even visible, the chance that they come with 3943b is low. Let's assume
that 7730 was only sold in Germany, Netherland, Belgium, Italy, France and UK.
I believe these countries were the main targets of Lego. Among them, Germany,
Netherland and Belgium more than others. Let's assume that the same number
of them were sold in each country. Based on my observation, ALL sets sold in
Belgium and Netherland came with 3943a. Among other countries, something between
third of half of the sets. So in total, only 22% to 33% of the sets 7730 in market
have 3943b. Then we should find few sealed/MISB sets and be lucky to find the
right set.
3) currently there are 8 European sellers for 7730, only one of them is not from
Belgium or Netherland. I guess it is for this reason that the inventory is missing
3943b. Most sellers of 7730 never see 3943b with this train.
4) now, the funniest and most interesting part of story: the part 3943b in any
color (not only yellow) is produced since 1979. (as I expalined earlier, it appears
to me that the first set in which 3943b came with, even as an alternative part,
was produced in 1979 so the part 3943b was produced probably later than 1979)
Based on bricklink inventoryies:
- in 1979, only two sets came with 3943b both as alternative part (five sets
in total came with 3943a)
- in 1980, only two sets came with 3943b both as alternative part (three sets
in total came with 3943a, the only one in which 3943b is not used in 7730)
- in 1981, only two sets came with 3943b, but only one set as alternative part.
Here I asked myself: maybe in some early releases of the other set, the part
3943a was used. The set number is 6842-1. It is a small space set and should
be easy to find a sealed/MISB one and check it.
MAny sellers on Ebay sell this set. I contacted many of them to check which type
of black cone their 6842 had. Maybe about half of them had 3943a and the rest
3943b.
I think We can check this easily.
My conclusion: Lego produced the part 3943b some time between 1981-82. The last
year the train 7730 was released was 1982. After, other 12v trains such as 7727,
7735, and 7745 came to market.
You wrote me that my request was deeply discussed.
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Hi
I had also come to the conclusion about your 'point 4' with the -a and
-b types, came as alternate parts in earlier sets.
Attention: the axle hole ones came in space sets, and some were used with an
axle, and think that axle goes through with some ones.
So it is possible that in the later runs from the 7730 sets the -b type was found.
I know some inv. req. are done so without any proof! (I speak in general)
Stefaan
ps: my 7730 version came with the -a type
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| In Inventories Requests, sezar543 writes:
| | I got an evidence to support my claim for the set 6842. In the inventory, this
set from 1981 comes with 1*black cone 3943b. I have a proof that this set also
came with 3943a. But I don't know how to apply for a change of inventory.
Since the part 3943a (in 1979) came before 3943b (I belive some time in 1981-82)
the part 3943a should come as the main part and 3943b as alternative.
Do I need to submit three reuqests as follows
- Add a new part 3943a,
- remove 3943b,
- add 3943b as an alternative.
Or, is there a direct way to do all this at the same time?
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Hi
You can do it on the direct way by the change 'c' option but... it's
a rule, what was first in, remains 1st, second becomes an alt., even if this
one is older.
Stefaan
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| | | | | | | Author: | SezaR | | Posted: | Jan 18, 2018 07:11 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 7730-1 | | Viewed: | 34 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
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| I think it is worthy to put what I investigated for this inventory change request.
Each time I see the second version 3943b used for this train 7730 in UK, Germany,
France or Italy, I contact the seller and put up the link, photos, and our conversation
here. Hope this helps, at least for further research. hopefully this request
won't get deleted.
I also ask the seller to check the ID number written/carved underneath the red
12v motor: in this case, it was 45 2, which means the 45th week of 1982.
This is the latest production of this train. The production stopped at the end
of 1982. In the cataloges of 1983, we don't see this train any more.
Lego Train Set 7730
https://www.ebay.ca/itm/Lego-Train-Set-7730/132450197670?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649
Since the link break soon, I add an image to this post.
My message to the seller:
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Hello,
I got two questions. I saw in the photos that the three yellow cones on the last
wagon have axle holes on top. This is different than the instructions in which
the cones don't have any hole.
I am wondering if this is your train you bought in 80s? and if you have changed
the yellow cones?
Also, I couldn't see if the two white windows have each a glass? (on the
white wagon. The windows are 1*2 studs)
Regards
*****
His response:
*****
Checked the set and you are right that the cones have axle holes in the top and
this differs from that shown in the manual and the two side windows of the white
carriage have no glass.
I cannot recall if they were always like this and have been damaged or swapped
over at some stage. The black windows 1 brick wide by 2 bricks high at the back
of the train also have no glass and I think that ones this small don’t get glazed
by Lego - from other sets i’ve got, any window below 2 bricks by 2 bricks aren’t.
Does that help?
Rob
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My second message:
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Dear Rob,
Thanks for checking this. And you are right, the black window 1*2 studs don't
have glass. If you are curious, you can check the instructions. The white windows
1*2 have glass there.
I have one last request. Could you please check the number underneath the red
motor? It should be something like 3 81 or 37 0 or ...
That shows which variant the train might be. I am a collector and this train
was released in variations.
Regards
*****
His response:
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You certainly know your stuff! Just checked under the motor and it says
45 2
Just out of interest, how many of these sets do you have?
Rob
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In Inventories Requests, StormChaser writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, sezar543 writes:
| | Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Change 3 Part Yellow {3943a Cone 4 x 4 x 2 without Axle Hole to 3943b Cone 4 x 4 x 2 with Axle Hole} {match ID 0 to 1}
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I appreciate the amount of time you spent researching this request. After careful
consideration, however, I do not feel there is currently enough evidence to support
the request and it has not been approved.
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| | | | | | | Author: | SezaR | | Posted: | Feb 19, 2018 16:53 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 7730-1 | | Viewed: | 31 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
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| I saw a 7730 for sale in Belgium today. This one completely resolved the issue
of yellow cones 3043. See the photo
In Inventories Requests, StormChaser writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, sezar543 writes:
| | Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Change 3 Part Yellow {3943a Cone 4 x 4 x 2 without Axle Hole to 3943b Cone 4 x 4 x 2 with Axle Hole} {match ID 0 to 1}
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I appreciate the amount of time you spent researching this request. After careful
consideration, however, I do not feel there is currently enough evidence to support
the request and it has not been approved.
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| | | | | Author: | SezaR | | Posted: | Jan 18, 2018 07:00 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 7730-1 | | Viewed: | 34 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
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| I consider two problems on the inventory for this set:
1) 3943b used for later variants sold on UK, Germany, France, Italy,... but not
Netherland neither Belgium.
2) The most strange part of the story: the windows!
- 2 * 29 Black Window 1 x 1 x 2: it doesn't have a glass
- 2 * 7026 Black Window 1 x 2 x 2 with Fixed Glass: it comes with a fixed glass
- 1 * 7026 White Window 1 x 2 x 2 with Fixed Glass: same
- 2 * 27c01 White Window 1 x 2 x 1 with Glass: it comes with a not-fixed glass!!!
Why Lego made so many variation for glasses?
So far, I have seen 5 sets 7730, from Belgium, UK and Gemrany. No white window
27c01 came with glass. Zero! The instructions show there should be a glass but
doesn't show that one need to put the glass on this window. Also, it is very
difficult, need some forth, to take the glass off this window. They won't
fall at all in anyway. They are not usable for anything else but this windows.
I think, either the insturctions has a mistake, or the glass was used only for
the first round of production. Maybe from 1981, they stopped putting the glass
on this set, as they also changed the sticker sheet.
Do I submit a change request for this? I can keep collecting info for this glass
too.
In Inventories Requests, SezaR writes:
| | Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Change 3 Part Yellow {3943a Cone 4 x 4 x 2 without Axle Hole to 3943b Cone 4 x 4 x 2 with Axle Hole} {match ID 0 to 1}
Comments from Submitter:
I have seen in many sells for this set on various auction sites, that the 3 yellow cones have axle hole. Lego produced both versions since 1979, so this suggests that the second type 3943b was also used by Lego for this set.
I don't think private sellers lost all the original yellow cones 3943a and bought and replaced them with 3943b, as this version is also rare, only used for two sets. One yellow 3943b was used for the set 4982-1 and two were used for 6954-1.
Upon request, I can give the link for some of the sells of this train which come with 3943b.
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