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| | | Author: | mandr  | | Posted: | Feb 1, 2017 07:48 | | Subject: | Inventory Change Request for Set 7019-1 | | Viewed: | 37 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests (Entry) | | Status: | Open | |
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| Please make changes to the following inventory:
* | | 7019-1 (Inv) Viking Fortress against the Fafnir Dragon
979 Parts, 6 Minifigures, 2005
Sets: Vikings |
* Change {49 to 50} Part Reddish Brown 30137 Brick, Modified 1 x 4 Log
Comments from Submitter:
On Nov 7/2005 the quantity for this part was changed from 50 to 49. About a year or two ago, I requested to change the quantity back to 50, however, my request was rejected or discarded.
However, I rebuilt the set and my set requires 50 pieces as follows:
Page 17 - 8 required
Page 19 - 6
Page 31 - 6
Page 32 - 4
Page 38 - 2
Page 70 - 4
Page 71 - 8
Page 70, 71 repeated x 2.
For a total of 50. I checked the two different versions of the instruction booklets on brickinstructions.com and both required 50. So at the very least, there are some instruction booklets that need 50 pieces, not 49. The quantity of 50 could be an alternate version, or at least make a note for the set.
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| | | | | Author: | viejos | | Posted: | Feb 1, 2017 09:11 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 7019-1 | | Viewed: | 28 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
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| In Inventories Requests, mandr writes:
| | Please make changes to the following inventory:
* | | 7019-1 (Inv) Viking Fortress against the Fafnir Dragon
979 Parts, 6 Minifigures, 2005
Sets: Vikings |
* Change {49 to 50} Part Reddish Brown 30137 Brick, Modified 1 x 4 Log
Comments from Submitter:
On Nov 7/2005 the quantity for this part was changed from 50 to 49. About a year or two ago, I requested to change the quantity back to 50, however, my request was rejected or discarded.
However, I rebuilt the set and my set requires 50 pieces as follows:
Page 17 - 8 required
Page 19 - 6
Page 31 - 6
Page 32 - 4
Page 38 - 2
Page 70 - 4
Page 71 - 8
Page 70, 71 repeated x 2.
For a total of 50. I checked the two different versions of the instruction booklets on brickinstructions.com and both required 50. So at the very least, there are some instruction booklets that need 50 pieces, not 49. The quantity of 50 could be an alternate version, or at least make a note for the set.
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As per your message here:
http://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=865715
...there are other differences as well. All of these differences need to be accounted
for in order to change the one. It is hardly possible, given the original submitter
of the inventory (and the source) that these would just be errors. In fact, multiple
versions are mentioned in the note to the set.
See if the other 3 differences are already listed in the alternate section. The
problem you're having is assuming that all versions of the instructions are
listed on the Lego site. What you see there are likely two regional printings
of the same version of the set. Lego tends to delete old versions from their
site. Check on some of the other instruction sites for the real alternate version.
Russell
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| | | | | | | Author: | mandr | | Posted: | Feb 1, 2017 10:49 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 7019-1 | | Viewed: | 22 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
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| In Inventories Requests, viejos writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, mandr writes:
| | Please make changes to the following inventory:
* | | 7019-1 (Inv) Viking Fortress against the Fafnir Dragon
979 Parts, 6 Minifigures, 2005
Sets: Vikings |
* Change {49 to 50} Part Reddish Brown 30137 Brick, Modified 1 x 4 Log
Comments from Submitter:
On Nov 7/2005 the quantity for this part was changed from 50 to 49. About a year or two ago, I requested to change the quantity back to 50, however, my request was rejected or discarded.
However, I rebuilt the set and my set requires 50 pieces as follows:
Page 17 - 8 required
Page 19 - 6
Page 31 - 6
Page 32 - 4
Page 38 - 2
Page 70 - 4
Page 71 - 8
Page 70, 71 repeated x 2.
For a total of 50. I checked the two different versions of the instruction booklets on brickinstructions.com and both required 50. So at the very least, there are some instruction booklets that need 50 pieces, not 49. The quantity of 50 could be an alternate version, or at least make a note for the set.
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As per your message here:
http://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=865715
...there are other differences as well. All of these differences need to be accounted
for in order to change the one. It is hardly possible, given the original submitter
of the inventory (and the source) that these would just be errors. In fact, multiple
versions are mentioned in the note to the set.
See if the other 3 differences are already listed in the alternate section. The
problem you're having is assuming that all versions of the instructions are
listed on the Lego site. What you see there are likely two regional printings
of the same version of the set. Lego tends to delete old versions from their
site. Check on some of the other instruction sites for the real alternate version.
Russell
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Hi Russell, I am not familiar with the various instruction sites - but just going
through the first few pages of google and picking off a few (lego.brickinstructions,
repubrick, brickset, swooshable, peeron, brickowl, bricks.argz.com) I haven't
been able to find the alternate version of the instructions. (I started off looking
for the green plate in the booklet because it has an alternate size, so is easy
to spot. But all of the booklets have the 4x6 plate instead of the 4x8. Also
counted the 1x4 logs, and all appear to have 50 like I do).
Is it possible for me to add an alternate for the brown 1x4 log with a quantity
of 50? Or will they not accept this unless I tie some of the alternates together?
I could guess that Alternates 1 and 2 are most likely related since they would
probably be needed to make the front gate wider/narrower and make it look balanced.
Alternate 7 is odd because the holes in the Technic 1x4 brick would to me, ruin
the look of the base of the fortress and I can't see why the holes would
be needed when a plain 1x4 brick would do.
Should I be looking at specific European sites for the instructions? If I can't
find anything, I'll just cancel this inventory change. I was just worried
that some people would be putting their sets together for sale with only 49 of
the logs when 50 are needed in some of the booklets.
Thanks for your help.
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | viejos | | Posted: | Feb 1, 2017 13:06 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 7019-1 | | Viewed: | 26 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
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| In Inventories Requests, mandr writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, viejos writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, mandr writes:
| | Please make changes to the following inventory:
* | | 7019-1 (Inv) Viking Fortress against the Fafnir Dragon
979 Parts, 6 Minifigures, 2005
Sets: Vikings |
* Change {49 to 50} Part Reddish Brown 30137 Brick, Modified 1 x 4 Log
Comments from Submitter:
On Nov 7/2005 the quantity for this part was changed from 50 to 49. About a year or two ago, I requested to change the quantity back to 50, however, my request was rejected or discarded.
However, I rebuilt the set and my set requires 50 pieces as follows:
Page 17 - 8 required
Page 19 - 6
Page 31 - 6
Page 32 - 4
Page 38 - 2
Page 70 - 4
Page 71 - 8
Page 70, 71 repeated x 2.
For a total of 50. I checked the two different versions of the instruction booklets on brickinstructions.com and both required 50. So at the very least, there are some instruction booklets that need 50 pieces, not 49. The quantity of 50 could be an alternate version, or at least make a note for the set.
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As per your message here:
http://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=865715
...there are other differences as well. All of these differences need to be accounted
for in order to change the one. It is hardly possible, given the original submitter
of the inventory (and the source) that these would just be errors. In fact, multiple
versions are mentioned in the note to the set.
See if the other 3 differences are already listed in the alternate section. The
problem you're having is assuming that all versions of the instructions are
listed on the Lego site. What you see there are likely two regional printings
of the same version of the set. Lego tends to delete old versions from their
site. Check on some of the other instruction sites for the real alternate version.
Russell
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Hi Russell, I am not familiar with the various instruction sites - but just going
through the first few pages of google and picking off a few (lego.brickinstructions,
repubrick, brickset, swooshable, peeron, brickowl, bricks.argz.com) I haven't
been able to find the alternate version of the instructions. (I started off looking
for the green plate in the booklet because it has an alternate size, so is easy
to spot. But all of the booklets have the 4x6 plate instead of the 4x8. Also
counted the 1x4 logs, and all appear to have 50 like I do).
Is it possible for me to add an alternate for the brown 1x4 log with a quantity
of 50? Or will they not accept this unless I tie some of the alternates together?
I could guess that Alternates 1 and 2 are most likely related since they would
probably be needed to make the front gate wider/narrower and make it look balanced.
Alternate 7 is odd because the holes in the Technic 1x4 brick would to me, ruin
the look of the base of the fortress and I can't see why the holes would
be needed when a plain 1x4 brick would do.
Should I be looking at specific European sites for the instructions? If I can't
find anything, I'll just cancel this inventory change. I was just worried
that some people would be putting their sets together for sale with only 49 of
the logs when 50 are needed in some of the booklets.
Thanks for your help.
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Let me look into it. Since the original inventory is considered solid, I think
the alternate exchange can be done with just one set of instructions.
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | viejos | | Posted: | Feb 2, 2017 01:31 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 7019-1 | | Viewed: | 29 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
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| In Inventories Requests, viejos writes:
| | Let me look into it. Since the original inventory is considered solid, I think
the alternate exchange can be done with just one set of instructions.
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OK, after studying this inventory a bit and hearing from a couple people offering
different pieces of the puzzle, I am ready to pronounce this inventory to be
the textbook definition of a MESS. Not the worst I've seen on BL, but pretty
bad.
The root of the problem as I see it now is that the original inventory was compiled
from two different versions of the set - a very early version (whose production
run may have been cut short) and the "regular" early version. Alternate quantities
were listed in the Regular section alongside the Regular quantities, with no
distinguishing markings.
A late version which had a supplemental instructions sheet (showing the lengthening
of two pairs of plates - see images below) was then discovered and the differences
were added to the BL inventory within a month.
At the time this inventory was added (2005), sellers were fully expected to manually
confirm the contents of their particular sets during partout. That's how
a "fusion" inventory like this one could be made to work. This goes as a reminder
that the BL partout feature (similar to the recent populate new inventory feature)
was never intended to be a one-click operation. Rather, it was designed only
to take the brunt of the catalog work out of the partout process.
Anyhow, the change log is filled with a variety of things. The fixing of clerical
errors, attempts to separate extras, attempts to account for the two early versions,
standard system upgrades, the adding of mold variants, and a whole lot of match
ID changes. In addition, there are currently a number of pending requests from
two different members. But with a little patience, it will get fixed. I have
an idea in mind.
As a point of interest, if our current Inv Admin (Jen) at some point adds her
blue squares to this change log, it will likely set a record for the most Inv
Admins to work on a given inventory (six!).
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | mandr | | Posted: | Feb 2, 2017 11:19 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 7019-1 | | Viewed: | 23 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
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| To follow-up, as I indicated in a PM to you, I did find a number of other inventory
errors in this set, as you say above, but all of the errors were in excess pieces,
whereas the 49 1x4 brick-logs seems to be a shortage. Which is why I've
raised the inventory change request twice - I built the set twice in the past
two years, and both times found the shortage. And both times I found the same
excess pieces.
The quantity of 49 seems odd to me given that the build is very symmetrical -
3 bricks on one side and 3 bricks on the other, etc. etc. So, the nature of
the build seems to me that there would always be an EVEN number of bricks, not
an ODD number of bricks. Having said that, maybe there is an instruction booklet
out there with 49 brick-logs.
I'm going to go through the build once more and I will compile a list of
the errors as I see them, and I'll post them here.
In Inventories Requests, viejos writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, viejos writes:
| | Let me look into it. Since the original inventory is considered solid, I think
the alternate exchange can be done with just one set of instructions.
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OK, after studying this inventory a bit and hearing from a couple people offering
different pieces of the puzzle, I am ready to pronounce this inventory to be
the textbook definition of a MESS. Not the worst I've seen on BL, but pretty
bad.
The root of the problem as I see it now is that the original inventory was compiled
from two different versions of the set - a very early version (whose production
run may have been cut short) and the "regular" early version. Alternate quantities
were listed in the Regular section alongside the Regular quantities, with no
distinguishing markings.
A late version which had a supplemental instructions sheet (showing the lengthening
of two pairs of plates - see images below) was then discovered and the differences
were added to the BL inventory within a month.
At the time this inventory was added (2005), sellers were fully expected to manually
confirm the contents of their particular sets during partout. That's how
a "fusion" inventory like this one could be made to work. This goes as a reminder
that the BL partout feature (similar to the recent populate new inventory feature)
was never intended to be a one-click operation. Rather, it was designed only
to take the brunt of the catalog work out of the partout process.
Anyhow, the change log is filled with a variety of things. The fixing of clerical
errors, attempts to separate extras, attempts to account for the two early versions,
standard system upgrades, the adding of mold variants, and a whole lot of match
ID changes. In addition, there are currently a number of pending requests from
two different members. But with a little patience, it will get fixed. I have
an idea in mind.
As a point of interest, if our current Inv Admin (Jen) at some point adds her
blue squares to this change log, it will likely set a record for the most Inv
Admins to work on a given inventory (six!).
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | mandr | | Posted: | Feb 2, 2017 16:28 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 7019-1 | | Viewed: | 22 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
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| In Inventories Requests, mandr writes:
| | To follow-up, as I indicated in a PM to you, I did find a number of other inventory
errors in this set, as you say above, but all of the errors were in excess pieces,
whereas the 49 1x4 brick-logs seems to be a shortage. Which is why I've
raised the inventory change request twice - I built the set twice in the past
two years, and both times found the shortage. And both times I found the same
excess pieces.
The quantity of 49 seems odd to me given that the build is very symmetrical -
3 bricks on one side and 3 bricks on the other, etc. etc. So, the nature of
the build seems to me that there would always be an EVEN number of bricks, not
an ODD number of bricks. Having said that, maybe there is an instruction booklet
out there with 49 brick-logs.
I'm going to go through the build once more and I will compile a list of
the errors as I see them, and I'll post them here.
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As a follow up to the above post, I said that I'd post a list of the other
errors. However, I subsequently realized that there are two outstanding inventory
change requests for this particular Lego set. If those change requests are indeed
implemented, they would correct the errors that I found. So I won't post
the corrections here, and a PM has been sent to Russell with the details.
But hopefully it will be noted in the inventory that there are versions of the
7019 set with 50 instead of 49 Reddish Brown 30137 Brick, Modified 1x4 Log.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | jennnifer | | Posted: | Feb 2, 2017 18:29 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 7019-1 | | Viewed: | 36 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
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| In Inventories Requests, viejos writes:
| | As a point of interest, if our current Inv Admin (Jen) at some point adds her
blue squares to this change log, it will likely set a record for the most Inv
Admins to work on a given inventory (six!).
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I can't wait! 
Thanks so much for taking the time to work on this complicated inventory. Much
appreciated!
Jen
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