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 Author: calsbricks View Messages Posted By calsbricks
 Posted: Dec 10, 2012 03:35
 Subject: Multiuser logins and Security
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calsbricks (8953)

Location:  United Kingdom, England
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Store: CalsBricks
Our store now has 4 individuals in it and is over two locations, which is beginning
to cause a problem. Everyone logs in as the main login so they have access to
inventory, orders etc. They also have complete control over oujr site once logged
in. Knowing SQL databases, it should be relatively simple and straightforward
to add multiple users for a site and provide them with various permissions as
appropriate.

Can this be included in the next release of Bricklink please?

I do know nothing is ever as simple as it appears when it comes to programming
and any Microsoft product but .....
 Author: bb-2950 View Messages Posted By bb-2950
 Posted: Dec 10, 2012 03:40
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In Suggestions, billduge writes:
  Our store now has 4 individuals in it and is over two locations, which is beginning
to cause a problem. Everyone logs in as the main login so they have access to
inventory, orders etc. They also have complete control over oujr site once logged
in. Knowing SQL databases, it should be relatively simple and straightforward
to add multiple users for a site and provide them with various permissions as
appropriate.

Can this be included in the next release of Bricklink please?

I do know nothing is ever as simple as it appears when it comes to programming
and any Microsoft product but .....

I don't know. Maybe decouple store with users and any user can create one store
and assign permissions as necessary. Of course the creator has all permissions.
 Author: Brickwilbo View Messages Posted By Brickwilbo
 Posted: Dec 10, 2012 04:28
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Brickwilbo (1540)

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In Suggestions, billduge writes:
  Our store now has 4 individuals in it and is over two locations, which is beginning
to cause a problem. Everyone logs in as the main login so they have access to
inventory, orders etc. They also have complete control over oujr site once logged
in.

I't would be against the TOS.
Inquire at other BL stores with personel how they manage the multi-user problem.
There might be interesting software available.

  Knowing SQL databases, it should be relatively simple and straightforward
to add multiple users for a site and provide them with various permissions as
appropriate.

Can this be included in the next release of Bricklink please?

I do know nothing is ever as simple as it appears when it comes to programming
and any Microsoft product but .....
 Author: Rob_and_Shelagh View Messages Posted By Rob_and_Shelagh
 Posted: Dec 10, 2012 05:44
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Rob_and_Shelagh (26864)

Location:  United Kingdom, England
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In Suggestions, Brickwilbo writes:
  In Suggestions, billduge writes:
  Our store now has 4 individuals in it and is over two locations, which is beginning
to cause a problem. Everyone logs in as the main login so they have access to
inventory, orders etc. They also have complete control over oujr site once logged
in.

I't would be against the TOS.


Could you expand on that, what exactly would be against the TOS?

Thanks,

Robert
( 2 users, 1 location )



  Inquire at other BL stores with personel how they manage the multi-user problem.
There might be interesting software available.

  Knowing SQL databases, it should be relatively simple and straightforward
to add multiple users for a site and provide them with various permissions as
appropriate.

Can this be included in the next release of Bricklink please?

I do know nothing is ever as simple as it appears when it comes to programming
and any Microsoft product but .....
 Author: Brickwilbo View Messages Posted By Brickwilbo
 Posted: Dec 10, 2012 05:52
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Brickwilbo (1540)

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In Suggestions, Rob_and_Shelagh writes:
  In Suggestions, Brickwilbo writes:
  In Suggestions, billduge writes:
  Our store now has 4 individuals in it and is over two locations, which is beginning
to cause a problem. Everyone logs in as the main login so they have access to
inventory, orders etc. They also have complete control over oujr site once logged
in.

I't would be against the TOS.


Could you expand on that, what exactly would be against the TOS?

Thanks,

Robert
( 2 users, 1 location )

4 users, 2 locations, all with different login on 1 account.

  

  Inquire at other BL stores with personel how they manage the multi-user problem.
There might be interesting software available.

  Knowing SQL databases, it should be relatively simple and straightforward
to add multiple users for a site and provide them with various permissions as
appropriate.

Can this be included in the next release of Bricklink please?

I do know nothing is ever as simple as it appears when it comes to programming
and any Microsoft product but .....
 Author: Rob_and_Shelagh View Messages Posted By Rob_and_Shelagh
 Posted: Dec 10, 2012 06:06
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Rob_and_Shelagh (26864)

Location:  United Kingdom, England
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Store Closed Store: YELLOW FARM BRICKS
In Suggestions, Brickwilbo writes:
  In Suggestions, Rob_and_Shelagh writes:
  In Suggestions, Brickwilbo writes:
  In Suggestions, billduge writes:
  Our store now has 4 individuals in it and is over two locations, which is beginning
to cause a problem. Everyone logs in as the main login so they have access to
inventory, orders etc. They also have complete control over oujr site once logged
in.

I't would be against the TOS.


Could you expand on that, what exactly would be against the TOS?

Thanks,

Robert
( 2 users, 1 location )

4 users, 2 locations, all with different login on 1 account.


OK, I see what you are saying but I think the intent of the TOS in that respect
is that you are limited to one account. If you see Bill as the "owner" or "manager"
of his store and he only wants one account as the named account holder but wants
some way of "delegating" certain tasks within his store to certain "employees"
or "partners" I don't think that breaches that intent. I see his suggestion as
a way of him managing his one account like having "sub accounts" where he would
still be responsible, as the main account holder, for the transactions on the
account. Correct me if I'm wrong Bill but if this is your intent I'd also like
some expanded functionality in this area. Our store operates as a parnership
between me and Shelagh so we are both named on the account but have to use the
same login. That is fine for us but if we had employees then it would mean we
might not want to give them that password so it limits the way a business can
use BL. Yes, it can be managed external to BL but having functionality "in house"
IMO would help growing businesses on BL.

Robert







  
  

  Inquire at other BL stores with personel how they manage the multi-user problem.
There might be interesting software available.

  Knowing SQL databases, it should be relatively simple and straightforward
to add multiple users for a site and provide them with various permissions as
appropriate.

Can this be included in the next release of Bricklink please?

I do know nothing is ever as simple as it appears when it comes to programming
and any Microsoft product but .....
 Author: maxx3001 View Messages Posted By maxx3001
 Posted: Dec 10, 2012 06:20
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maxx3001 (2843)

Location:  Netherlands, Utrecht
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Store: 3001: A Brick Oddity
In Suggestions, Rob_and_Shelagh writes:
  In Suggestions, Brickwilbo writes:
  In Suggestions, Rob_and_Shelagh writes:
  In Suggestions, Brickwilbo writes:
  In Suggestions, billduge writes:
OK, I see what you are saying but I think the intent of the TOS in that respect
is that you are limited to one account. If you see Bill as the "owner" or "manager"
of his store and he only wants one account as the named account holder but wants
some way of "delegating" certain tasks within his store to certain "employees"
or "partners" I don't think that breaches that intent. I see his suggestion as
a way of him managing his one account like having "sub accounts" where he would
still be responsible, as the main account holder, for the transactions on the
account. Correct me if I'm wrong Bill but if this is your intent I'd also like
some expanded functionality in this area. Our store operates as a parnership
between me and Shelagh so we are both named on the account but have to use the
same login. That is fine for us but if we had employees then it would mean we
might not want to give them that password so it limits the way a business can
use BL. Yes, it can be managed external to BL but having functionality "in house"
IMO would help growing businesses on BL.

Robert

I read it the same as Robert, one owner/responsible for the store.
Different levels of authority for hencemen

Maxx
  






  
  

  Inquire at other BL stores with personel how they manage the multi-user problem.
There might be interesting software available.

  Knowing SQL databases, it should be relatively simple and straightforward
to add multiple users for a site and provide them with various permissions as
appropriate.

Can this be included in the next release of Bricklink please?

I do know nothing is ever as simple as it appears when it comes to programming
and any Microsoft product but .....
 Author: calsbricks View Messages Posted By calsbricks
 Posted: Dec 10, 2012 09:08
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calsbricks (8953)

Location:  United Kingdom, England
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Store: CalsBricks
In Suggestions, maxx3001 writes:
  In Suggestions, Rob_and_Shelagh writes:
  In Suggestions, Brickwilbo writes:
  In Suggestions, Rob_and_Shelagh writes:
  In Suggestions, Brickwilbo writes:
  In Suggestions, billduge writes:
OK, I see what you are saying but I think the intent of the TOS in that respect
is that you are limited to one account. If you see Bill as the "owner" or "manager"
of his store and he only wants one account as the named account holder but wants
some way of "delegating" certain tasks within his store to certain "employees"
or "partners" I don't think that breaches that intent. I see his suggestion as
a way of him managing his one account like having "sub accounts" where he would
still be responsible, as the main account holder, for the transactions on the
account. Correct me if I'm wrong Bill but if this is your intent I'd also like
some expanded functionality in this area. Our store operates as a parnership
between me and Shelagh so we are both named on the account but have to use the
same login. That is fine for us but if we had employees then it would mean we
might not want to give them that password so it limits the way a business can
use BL. Yes, it can be managed external to BL but having functionality "in house"
IMO would help growing businesses on BL.

Robert

I read it the same as Robert, one owner/responsible for the store.
Different levels of authority for hencemen

Maxx

Exactly Maxx - thanks for joining us. Now if we can get Admin involved - who
knows what might happen.
  
  






  
  

  Inquire at other BL stores with personel how they manage the multi-user problem.
There might be interesting software available.

  Knowing SQL databases, it should be relatively simple and straightforward
to add multiple users for a site and provide them with various permissions as
appropriate.

Can this be included in the next release of Bricklink please?

I do know nothing is ever as simple as it appears when it comes to programming
and any Microsoft product but .....
 Author: calsbricks View Messages Posted By calsbricks
 Posted: Dec 10, 2012 09:06
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Location:  United Kingdom, England
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Store: CalsBricks
In Suggestions, Rob_and_Shelagh writes:
  In Suggestions, Brickwilbo writes:
  In Suggestions, Rob_and_Shelagh writes:
  In Suggestions, Brickwilbo writes:
  In Suggestions, billduge writes:
  Our store now has 4 individuals in it and is over two locations, which is beginning
to cause a problem. Everyone logs in as the main login so they have access to
inventory, orders etc. They also have complete control over oujr site once logged
in.

I't would be against the TOS.


Could you expand on that, what exactly would be against the TOS?

Thanks,

Robert
( 2 users, 1 location )

You are exactly right Robert. My intentjion and point was in no way meant to
breach TOS. As stores grow and get bigger (and that is most people's aim) then
there is a need to exert control over individuals who you delegate responsibilities
to. For example, at one of our two locations,,they do most of the order picking
- at the other they do listings etc. SQL has its own built in security and I
would not expect to have to go outside this application to bring something like
this in.


  
  
4 users, 2 locations, all with different login on 1 account.


OK, I see what you are saying but I think the intent of the TOS in that respect
is that you are limited to one account. If you see Bill as the "owner" or "manager"
of his store and he only wants one account as the named account holder but wants
some way of "delegating" certain tasks within his store to certain "employees"
or "partners" I don't think that breaches that intent. I see his suggestion as
a way of him managing his one account like having "sub accounts" where he would
still be responsible, as the main account holder, for the transactions on the
account. Correct me if I'm wrong Bill but if this is your intent I'd also like
some expanded functionality in this area. Our store operates as a parnership
between me and Shelagh so we are both named on the account but have to use the
same login. That is fine for us but if we had employees then it would mean we
might not want to give them that password so it limits the way a business can
use BL. Yes, it can be managed external to BL but having functionality "in house"
IMO would help growing businesses on BL.

Robert







  
  

  Inquire at other BL stores with personel how they manage the multi-user problem.
There might be interesting software available.

  Knowing SQL databases, it should be relatively simple and straightforward
to add multiple users for a site and provide them with various permissions as
appropriate.

Can this be included in the next release of Bricklink please?

I do know nothing is ever as simple as it appears when it comes to programming
and any Microsoft product but .....
 Author: QCBricks View Messages Posted By QCBricks
 Posted: Dec 10, 2012 13:52
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Location:  USA, Arizona
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Store: Queen Creek Bricks
In Suggestions, Rob_and_Shelagh writes:
  In Suggestions, Brickwilbo writes:
  In Suggestions, Rob_and_Shelagh writes:
  In Suggestions, Brickwilbo writes:
  In Suggestions, billduge writes:
  Our store now has 4 individuals in it and is over two locations, which is beginning
to cause a problem. Everyone logs in as the main login so they have access to
inventory, orders etc. They also have complete control over oujr site once logged
in.

I't would be against the TOS.


Could you expand on that, what exactly would be against the TOS?

Thanks,

Robert
( 2 users, 1 location )

4 users, 2 locations, all with different login on 1 account.


OK, I see what you are saying but I think the intent of the TOS in that respect
is that you are limited to one account. If you see Bill as the "owner" or "manager"
of his store and he only wants one account as the named account holder but wants
some way of "delegating" certain tasks within his store to certain "employees"
or "partners" I don't think that breaches that intent. I see his suggestion as
a way of him managing his one account like having "sub accounts" where he would
still be responsible, as the main account holder, for the transactions on the
account. Correct me if I'm wrong Bill but if this is your intent I'd also like
some expanded functionality in this area. Our store operates as a parnership
between me and Shelagh so we are both named on the account but have to use the
same login. That is fine for us but if we had employees then it would mean we
might not want to give them that password so it limits the way a business can
use BL. Yes, it can be managed external to BL but having functionality "in house"
IMO would help growing businesses on BL.

Robert







  
  

  Inquire at other BL stores with personel how they manage the multi-user problem.
There might be interesting software available.

  Knowing SQL databases, it should be relatively simple and straightforward
to add multiple users for a site and provide them with various permissions as
appropriate.

Can this be included in the next release of Bricklink please?

I do know nothing is ever as simple as it appears when it comes to programming
and any Microsoft product but .....

This was the real issue with the loss of the persistent log in. Now, you either
have to share log in details with those that are not the business owners or log
in for them (continually at times!). We just do not use anyone other than our
immediate (living in this house) family members for duties requiring a log in.

I voted yes on this.

Scott
 Author: Graham. View Messages Posted By Graham.
 Posted: Dec 10, 2012 06:19
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Location:  USA, Tennessee
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In Suggestions, billduge writes:
  Our store now has 4 individuals in it and is over two locations, which is beginning
to cause a problem. Everyone logs in as the main login so they have access to
inventory, orders etc. They also have complete control over oujr site once logged
in. Knowing SQL databases, it should be relatively simple and straightforward
to add multiple users for a site and provide them with various permissions as
appropriate.

Can this be included in the next release of Bricklink please?

I do know nothing is ever as simple as it appears when it comes to programming
and any Microsoft product but .....

GREAT idea - I don't need it (only 3 here - me, myself and I) but I can see a
huge benefit to you and many others

graham (I put a yes in for what it's worth!! )
 Author: calsbricks View Messages Posted By calsbricks
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Store: CalsBricks
In Suggestions, Thunor writes:
  In Suggestions, billduge writes:
  Our store now has 4 individuals in it and is over two locations, which is beginning
to cause a problem. Everyone logs in as the main login so they have access to
inventory, orders etc. They also have complete control over oujr site once logged
in. Knowing SQL databases, it should be relatively simple and straightforward
to add multiple users for a site and provide them with various permissions as
appropriate.

Can this be included in the next release of Bricklink please?

I do know nothing is ever as simple as it appears when it comes to programming
and any Microsoft product but .....

GREAT idea - I don't need it (only 3 here - me, myself and I) but I can see a
huge benefit to you and many others

graham (I put a yes in for what it's worth!! )

Thanks - the more the better.
 Author: bb-146360 View Messages Posted By bb-146360
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In Suggestions, billduge writes:
  Our store now has 4 individuals in it and is over two locations, which is beginning
to cause a problem. Everyone logs in as the main login so they have access to
inventory, orders etc. They also have complete control over oujr site once logged
in. Knowing SQL databases, it should be relatively simple and straightforward
to add multiple users for a site and provide them with various permissions as
appropriate.

Can this be included in the next release of Bricklink please?

I do know nothing is ever as simple as it appears when it comes to programming
and any Microsoft product but .....

I definitely support this... Two employees working orders, customer service,
etc. Hopefully growing to more.
 Author: bb219749 View Messages Posted By bb219749
 Posted: Dec 10, 2012 18:31
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Location:  USA, New York
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In Suggestions, billduge writes:
  Our store now has 4 individuals in it and is over two locations, which is beginning
to cause a problem. Everyone logs in as the main login so they have access to
inventory, orders etc. They also have complete control over oujr site once logged
in. Knowing SQL databases, it should be relatively simple and straightforward
to add multiple users for a site and provide them with various permissions as
appropriate.

Can this be included in the next release of Bricklink please?

I do know nothing is ever as simple as it appears when it comes to programming
and any Microsoft product but .....

I know too little about SQL databases (much less Microsoft OLE DB, or whatever
BL is running) to make an educated opinion on this.

Do the BrickLink accounts really have access to the tables through an
SQL-based account, or just views? I would think that if a BL seller had access
to the tables directly, they'd each have their own table for lots, and as the
Lot IDs seem to increment by each lot added by each seller, so that seems improbable
to me.

Anyway, how about something like this concept:
 
 Author: renhoffman View Messages Posted By renhoffman
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renhoffman (7763)

Location:  USA, North Carolina
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In Suggestions, billduge writes:
  Our store now has 4 individuals in it and is over two locations, which is beginning
to cause a problem. Everyone logs in as the main login so they have access to
inventory, orders etc. They also have complete control over oujr site once logged
in. Knowing SQL databases, it should be relatively simple and straightforward
to add multiple users for a site and provide them with various permissions as
appropriate.

Can this be included in the next release of Bricklink please?

I do know nothing is ever as simple as it appears when it comes to programming
and any Microsoft product but .....

I voted yes, and I know other sellers that would like this option. The way the
system works now, anybody that has people working with them, runs the risk that
said helper could change the sellers profile, personal info etc. I think a workable
solution would be different passwords. Password A would allow full access, password
B would only allow Orders received views, password C would only allow inventory
additions/changes, etc.

Darren
 Author: bb-2950 View Messages Posted By bb-2950
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In Suggestions, renhoffman writes:
  In Suggestions, billduge writes:
  Our store now has 4 individuals in it and is over two locations, which is beginning
to cause a problem. Everyone logs in as the main login so they have access to
inventory, orders etc. They also have complete control over oujr site once logged
in. Knowing SQL databases, it should be relatively simple and straightforward
to add multiple users for a site and provide them with various permissions as
appropriate.

Can this be included in the next release of Bricklink please?

I do know nothing is ever as simple as it appears when it comes to programming
and any Microsoft product but .....

I voted yes, and I know other sellers that would like this option. The way the
system works now, anybody that has people working with them, runs the risk that
said helper could change the sellers profile, personal info etc. I think a workable
solution would be different passwords. Password A would allow full access, password
B would only allow Orders received views, password C would only allow inventory
additions/changes, etc.

Darren

Not bad idea!