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| | | Author: | goshe7  | | Posted: | Oct 19, 2012 12:48 | | Subject: | Automatic Forum Ban with Revoked Privileges | | Viewed: | 301 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | | Status: | Open | | Vote: | [Yes|No] | |
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| Let's get the discussion started in a fresh thread...
Following up this post
http://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=672934
| | The more I think about this problem, the more I personally would like anyone
who looses their buying or selling rights to also loose their posting rights.
Perhaps not perfect but clear and avoids a lot of the issues we've been discussing
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I would be opposed to automatically linking a forum ban with a loss of buying
or selling privileges.
While not every NSS/NPB thread is degraded, it's a fairly frequent occurrence
for a forum bashing of a single NSS/NPB. It's less frequent, but still down
the same path, for a revoked member to be part of a forum trashing. In these
events, the offended party starts a thread telling how he was wronged. Then
the offending party replies with his story about he was subjected to some unforeseen
event (hospitalization, death in the family, etc.) and is being wronged by the
offended party. The truth is somewhere in there. But I don't agree with automatically
silencing one side of the discussion.
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| | | | | Author: | Made_In_Bricks | | Posted: | Oct 19, 2012 12:59 | | Subject: | Re: Automatic Forum Ban with Revoked Privileges | | Viewed: | 77 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, goshe7 writes:
| | Let's get the discussion started in a fresh thread...
Following up this post
http://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=672934
| | The more I think about this problem, the more I personally would like anyone
who looses their buying or selling rights to also loose their posting rights.
Perhaps not perfect but clear and avoids a lot of the issues we've been discussing
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I would be opposed to automatically linking a forum ban with a loss of buying
or selling privileges.
While not every NSS/NPB thread is degraded, it's a fairly frequent occurrence
for a forum bashing of a single NSS/NPB. It's less frequent, but still down
the same path, for a revoked member to be part of a forum trashing. In these
events, the offended party starts a thread telling how he was wronged. Then
the offending party replies with his story about he was subjected to some unforeseen
event (hospitalization, death in the family, etc.) and is being wronged by the
offended party. The truth is somewhere in there. But I don't agree with automatically
silencing one side of the discussion.
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I response to the message in the link as part of the "constructive" part of fixing
problems why not have 1 admin/moderator account that is elected by the membership,
for some period of time, so the group as a whole feel like the moderators aren't
an oligarch for which we have no input.
Of course this could get out of hand and would have many things to consider before
doing it, but many companies have board of directors, some of which that board
is elected by the shareholders.
However BL is a private company and can do what it wishes, however I think something
along these lines would be a great way to remedy a lot of the complaints for
topics along these lines
but the basics are pretty simple
develop some type of minimum criteria, feedback rating, length of membership,
etc
develop the actual role of said elected admin/mod and how long do they serve
develop nomination process
develop election process, who votes, when, etc
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| | | | | Author: | Speciale | | Posted: | Oct 19, 2012 13:02 | | Subject: | Re: Automatic Forum Ban with Revoked Privileges | | Viewed: | 69 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, goshe7 writes:
| | Let's get the discussion started in a fresh thread...
Following up this post
http://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=672934
| | The more I think about this problem, the more I personally would like anyone
who looses their buying or selling rights to also loose their posting rights.
Perhaps not perfect but clear and avoids a lot of the issues we've been discussing
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I would be opposed to automatically linking a forum ban with a loss of buying
or selling privileges.
While not every NSS/NPB thread is degraded, it's a fairly frequent occurrence
for a forum bashing of a single NSS/NPB. It's less frequent, but still down
the same path, for a revoked member to be part of a forum trashing. In these
events, the offended party starts a thread telling how he was wronged. Then
the offending party replies with his story about he was subjected to some unforeseen
event (hospitalization, death in the family, etc.) and is being wronged by the
offended party. The truth is somewhere in there. But I don't agree with automatically
silencing one side of the discussion.
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what wil you do if one of your privileges is banned the other not ?
regards r
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| | | | | Author: | Rob_and_Shelagh | | Posted: | Oct 19, 2012 13:45 | | Subject: | Re: Automatic Forum Ban with Revoked Privileges | | Viewed: | 63 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, goshe7 writes:
| | Let's get the discussion started in a fresh thread...
Following up this post
http://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=672934
| | The more I think about this problem, the more I personally would like anyone
who looses their buying or selling rights to also loose their posting rights.
Perhaps not perfect but clear and avoids a lot of the issues we've been discussing
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I would be opposed to automatically linking a forum ban with a loss of buying
or selling privileges.
While not every NSS/NPB thread is degraded, it's a fairly frequent occurrence
for a forum bashing of a single NSS/NPB. It's less frequent, but still down
the same path, for a revoked member to be part of a forum trashing. In these
events, the offended party starts a thread telling how he was wronged. Then
the offending party replies with his story about he was subjected to some unforeseen
event (hospitalization, death in the family, etc.) and is being wronged by the
offended party. The truth is somewhere in there. But I don't agree with automatically
silencing one side of the discussion.
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Yes, that is one of the downsides of my suggestion, I agree, but to get a selling
or buying ban you need 3 NSS or NPB and mostly this is caused by not learning
from one's mistakes. Yes, it is posssible to get 3 NPB or NSS because of a sudden
event such as hospitalisation, etc but I also think that Admin should deal with
those rare cases on a case by case basis and make exceptions (i.e. remove the
ban, give a 4th chance, etc). For the others who build up 3 separate penalties
with no mitigating events..... good night & goodbye, that is the way the system
was designed and it works well as a learning experience/deterrent for those slow
of uptake.
Thanks for the positive reaction to my post, I only vote no because I think that
exceptions could be managed.
Robert
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| | | | | | | Author: | therobo | | Posted: | Oct 19, 2012 15:11 | | Subject: | Re: Automatic Forum Ban with Revoked Privileges | | Viewed: | 45 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, Rob_and_Shelagh writes:
| | In Suggestions, goshe7 writes:
| | Let's get the discussion started in a fresh thread...
Following up this post
http://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=672934
| | The more I think about this problem, the more I personally would like anyone
who looses their buying or selling rights to also loose their posting rights.
Perhaps not perfect but clear and avoids a lot of the issues we've been discussing
|
I would be opposed to automatically linking a forum ban with a loss of buying
or selling privileges.
While not every NSS/NPB thread is degraded, it's a fairly frequent occurrence
for a forum bashing of a single NSS/NPB. It's less frequent, but still down
the same path, for a revoked member to be part of a forum trashing. In these
events, the offended party starts a thread telling how he was wronged. Then
the offending party replies with his story about he was subjected to some unforeseen
event (hospitalization, death in the family, etc.) and is being wronged by the
offended party. The truth is somewhere in there. But I don't agree with automatically
silencing one side of the discussion.
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Yes, that is one of the downsides of my suggestion, I agree, but to get a selling
or buying ban you need 3 NSS or NPB and mostly this is caused by not learning
from one's mistakes. Yes, it is posssible to get 3 NPB or NSS because of a sudden
event such as hospitalisation, etc but I also think that Admin should deal with
those rare cases on a case by case basis and make exceptions (i.e. remove the
ban, give a 4th chance, etc). For the others who build up 3 separate penalties
with no mitigating events..... good night & goodbye, that is the way the system
was designed and it works well as a learning experience/deterrent for those slow
of uptake.
Thanks for the positive reaction to my post, I only vote no because I think that
exceptions could be managed.
Robert
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A forum ban for loosing buying and/or selling privileges is ridiculous, sorry.
Keep in mind that it does NOT need 3 strikes to loose buying and/or selling privilges.
In the past we've seen many, many newies coming here and asking for help how
to get their rights back which they lost for incomplete personal data and/or
any suspicous listings in their stores.
Banning them will result in people creating a new account for posting.
Ronald
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | Rob_and_Shelagh | | Posted: | Oct 19, 2012 15:46 | | Subject: | Re: Automatic Forum Ban with Revoked Privileges | | Viewed: | 68 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, therobo writes:
| | In Suggestions, Rob_and_Shelagh writes:
| | In Suggestions, goshe7 writes:
| | Let's get the discussion started in a fresh thread...
Following up this post
http://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=672934
| | The more I think about this problem, the more I personally would like anyone
who looses their buying or selling rights to also loose their posting rights.
Perhaps not perfect but clear and avoids a lot of the issues we've been discussing
|
I would be opposed to automatically linking a forum ban with a loss of buying
or selling privileges.
While not every NSS/NPB thread is degraded, it's a fairly frequent occurrence
for a forum bashing of a single NSS/NPB. It's less frequent, but still down
the same path, for a revoked member to be part of a forum trashing. In these
events, the offended party starts a thread telling how he was wronged. Then
the offending party replies with his story about he was subjected to some unforeseen
event (hospitalization, death in the family, etc.) and is being wronged by the
offended party. The truth is somewhere in there. But I don't agree with automatically
silencing one side of the discussion.
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Yes, that is one of the downsides of my suggestion, I agree, but to get a selling
or buying ban you need 3 NSS or NPB and mostly this is caused by not learning
from one's mistakes. Yes, it is posssible to get 3 NPB or NSS because of a sudden
event such as hospitalisation, etc but I also think that Admin should deal with
those rare cases on a case by case basis and make exceptions (i.e. remove the
ban, give a 4th chance, etc). For the others who build up 3 separate penalties
with no mitigating events..... good night & goodbye, that is the way the system
was designed and it works well as a learning experience/deterrent for those slow
of uptake.
Thanks for the positive reaction to my post, I only vote no because I think that
exceptions could be managed.
Robert
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A forum ban for loosing buying and/or selling privileges is ridiculous, sorry.
Keep in mind that it does NOT need 3 strikes to loose buying and/or selling privilges.
In the past we've seen many, many newies coming here and asking for help how
to get their rights back which they lost for incomplete personal data and/or
any suspicous listings in their stores.
Banning them will result in people creating a new account for posting.
Ronald
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Another valid concern, but "ridiculous", why, who gives them their privileges
back... forum junkies or Admin? OK, I know forum members can point them in the
right direction and mostly do this with good intent but if their revoked privileges
comes with a message from Admin... to contact him instead of fuelling a circus
on the forum. Recent events just suggest to me that matters administrative need
to be handled where they belong. I think Admin (and I mean that departmentally,
not individually) need to take control of things like this and keep it off the
forum, the forum should not, any longer IMO, be seen as a resource for this and
it should be a "business" administration function. Indeed, access to help desk,
admin, etc, needs to be made more obvious to those who need it but only Admin
can revoke privileges so Admin can also, in doing so, make it more obvious to
those affected how to deal with the problem, probably with automated messages
and not huge resource needs.
Eric, please take control of some of this stuff and it will, I think, pay off
certainly in terms of the outside image of this site, which due to some of the
stuff on here is becomming a concern to me. This does not need to be in the public
domain for a successful business like this. If my bank suspends my credit card
I do not have to whine about it on Amazon, I call my bank. Yep, there you go,
I have passed this one to Admin but the forum is just that, it should not be
1st point of call for members with account problems, I can think of no other
business that would ask its' other customers to sort things like that out. BL
has grown up, it needs a bit more back office I think but I'm sure they (management)
are aware of it, just not so easy to put in place overnight. Eric, I am very
appreciative of the effort you are putting in, and I'm sure I don't need to tell
you how to suck eggs, this place is suffering growing pains but growth is great,
requires acceptance of changes and should be embraced by all here
Robert
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | dcarmine | | Posted: | Oct 19, 2012 16:34 | | Subject: | Re: Automatic Forum Ban with Revoked Privileges | | Viewed: | 65 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| Well said. This is a business site, period. The fact that a "community" was built
does not make it a democracy. Everyone needs to accept that fact and stop the
talk about making decisions that are the sole responsibility of the company.
The company will do as it sees fit, even if members think it's decisions are
unfair, biased or from a point of view that seems to be a double standard. They
get to do it how they want, period. Deal with it.
I can't see any of you that are disgruntled going to your boss and asking if
you could vote as to who gets hired or fired. It doesn't happen. Just because
we have developed a community amongst ourselves is of no consequence to the company,
they still have the right to regulate the membership as they see fit.
I don't think the suggestion "box" should be used to try and change the management
of the company. We pay a fee to get the service of selling our goods, we are
not partners, board members and the like. The TOS says nothing about giving us
rights to control the company. The company allowed us to develop a community
and valuable resources for our sales. They can, at any time, cut out our ability
to maintain the community and remove the resources we use to sell.
Be grateful for what they allow and accept their decisions about how they manage
us, the resources, and our stores, irregardless if you agree.
Thank you BrickLink for allowing me to post this.
Donna
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | bb289632 | | Posted: | Oct 19, 2012 17:25 | | Subject: | Re: Automatic Forum Ban with Revoked Privileges | | Viewed: | 48 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, dcarmine writes:
| | Well said. This is a business site, period. The fact that a "community" was built
does not make it a democracy. Everyone needs to accept that fact and stop the
talk about making decisions that are the sole responsibility of the company.
The company will do as it sees fit, even if members think it's decisions are
unfair, biased or from a point of view that seems to be a double standard. They
get to do it how they want, period. Deal with it.
I can't see any of you that are disgruntled going to your boss and asking if
you could vote as to who gets hired or fired. It doesn't happen. Just because
we have developed a community amongst ourselves is of no consequence to the company,
they still have the right to regulate the membership as they see fit.
I don't think the suggestion "box" should be used to try and change the management
of the company. We pay a fee to get the service of selling our goods, we are
not partners, board members and the like. The TOS says nothing about giving us
rights to control the company. The company allowed us to develop a community
and valuable resources for our sales. They can, at any time, cut out our ability
to maintain the community and remove the resources we use to sell.
Be grateful for what they allow and accept their decisions about how they manage
us, the resources, and our stores, irregardless if you agree.
Thank you BrickLink for allowing me to post this.
Donna
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I agree, Donna. This is too easily forgotten by too many, too often.
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| | | | | Author: | legoman77 | | Posted: | Oct 19, 2012 15:14 | | Subject: | Re: Automatic Forum Ban with Revoked Privileges | | Viewed: | 100 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, goshe7 writes:
| | Let's get the discussion started in a fresh thread...
Following up this post
http://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=672934
| | The more I think about this problem, the more I personally would like anyone
who looses their buying or selling rights to also loose their posting rights.
Perhaps not perfect but clear and avoids a lot of the issues we've been discussing
|
I would be opposed to automatically linking a forum ban with a loss of buying
or selling privileges.
While not every NSS/NPB thread is degraded, it's a fairly frequent occurrence
for a forum bashing of a single NSS/NPB. It's less frequent, but still down
the same path, for a revoked member to be part of a forum trashing. In these
events, the offended party starts a thread telling how he was wronged. Then
the offending party replies with his story about he was subjected to some unforeseen
event (hospitalization, death in the family, etc.) and is being wronged by the
offended party. The truth is somewhere in there. But I don't agree with automatically
silencing one side of the discussion.
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I agree, but do you realize that no changes are made to this site. At least
not in the last two years as far as I can tell, a long time before the hacking.
It does not matter what the members want, no changes are made.
I may be wrong, but does anyone know of a change in the last two years?
John P
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| | | | | | | Author: | Rob_and_Shelagh | | Posted: | Oct 19, 2012 16:06 | | Subject: | Re: Automatic Forum Ban with Revoked Privileges | | Viewed: | 75 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, legoman77 writes:
| | In Suggestions, goshe7 writes:
| | Let's get the discussion started in a fresh thread...
Following up this post
http://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=672934
| | The more I think about this problem, the more I personally would like anyone
who looses their buying or selling rights to also loose their posting rights.
Perhaps not perfect but clear and avoids a lot of the issues we've been discussing
|
I would be opposed to automatically linking a forum ban with a loss of buying
or selling privileges.
While not every NSS/NPB thread is degraded, it's a fairly frequent occurrence
for a forum bashing of a single NSS/NPB. It's less frequent, but still down
the same path, for a revoked member to be part of a forum trashing. In these
events, the offended party starts a thread telling how he was wronged. Then
the offending party replies with his story about he was subjected to some unforeseen
event (hospitalization, death in the family, etc.) and is being wronged by the
offended party. The truth is somewhere in there. But I don't agree with automatically
silencing one side of the discussion.
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I agree, but do you realize that no changes are made to this site. At least
not in the last two years as far as I can tell, a long time before the hacking.
It does not matter what the members want, no changes are made.
I may be wrong, but does anyone know of a change in the last two years?
John P
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Apart from virtually the whole site coding being documented, rewritten, debugged
and secured by a few highly dedicated people who had little expertise in the
original coding and no documentation to go on? And you going from "never sell,
only buy" to "I've sold my collection for a big wedge thanks to BL".
JohnP, sorry but I had more respect for you when you were a seller of strong
principles than an armchair critic.
Robert
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