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 Author: Nubs_Select View Messages Posted By Nubs_Select
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part
 
Part No: 970c01pb35  Name: Hips and White Legs with SW Stormtrooper Black and Light Bluish Gray Markings Pattern (Rebels Cartoon Style)
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970c01pb35 Hips and White Legs with SW Stormtrooper Black and Light Bluish Gray Markings Pattern (Rebels Cartoon Style)
Parts: Minifigure, Legs, Decorated {Black}
has the note

"This part has at least two distinct print variants. One variant differs
from the other by having narrower print, and it most likely comes from the 5002938
Stormtrooper Sergeant polybag. Both variants are shown in the additional large
image."

However, the difference in the print is "significant" beyond just "narrower
print". The line on top of the knee decorations is significantly shorter
on the one from set
 
Set No: 5002938  Name: Stormtrooper Sergeant polybag
* 
5002938-1 (Inv) Stormtrooper Sergeant polybag
1 Part, 1 Minifigure, 2015
Sets: Star Wars: Star Wars Rebels
than on the regular version where the lines
extend to go underneath the hips but on the one from the polybag, it only goes
part way up. Also, tho I know now that it doesn't always mean a difference,
the part has 2 different PCCs. Also, I've confirmed the "short" line
print is from 5002938 from a sealed copy I purchased myself and multiple reviews
online.

Does this mean a split, or is it just "different machine print quality"
 
 Author: jennnifer View Messages Posted By jennnifer
 Posted: Mar 26, 2025 00:56
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In Catalog Requests, Nubs_Select writes:
  part
 
Part No: 970c01pb35  Name: Hips and White Legs with SW Stormtrooper Black and Light Bluish Gray Markings Pattern (Rebels Cartoon Style)
* 
970c01pb35 Hips and White Legs with SW Stormtrooper Black and Light Bluish Gray Markings Pattern (Rebels Cartoon Style)
Parts: Minifigure, Legs, Decorated {Black}
has the note

"This part has at least two distinct print variants. One variant differs
from the other by having narrower print, and it most likely comes from the 5002938
Stormtrooper Sergeant polybag. Both variants are shown in the additional large
image."

However, the difference in the print is "significant" beyond just "narrower
print". The line on top of the knee decorations is significantly shorter
on the one from set
 
Set No: 5002938  Name: Stormtrooper Sergeant polybag
* 
5002938-1 (Inv) Stormtrooper Sergeant polybag
1 Part, 1 Minifigure, 2015
Sets: Star Wars: Star Wars Rebels
than on the regular version where the lines
extend to go underneath the hips but on the one from the polybag, it only goes
part way up. Also, tho I know now that it doesn't always mean a difference,
the part has 2 different PCCs. Also, I've confirmed the "short" line
print is from 5002938 from a sealed copy I purchased myself and multiple reviews
online.

Does this mean a split, or is it just "different machine print quality"

Interesting! I think the line is the only difference significant enough to note.
It could be a result of different machines being able to print further up on
the leg. Anyway, here's what they look like superimposed...

~Jen
 
 Author: Nubs_Select View Messages Posted By Nubs_Select
 Posted: Mar 26, 2025 01:13
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In Catalog Requests, jennnifer writes:
  In Catalog Requests, Nubs_Select writes:
  part
 
Part No: 970c01pb35  Name: Hips and White Legs with SW Stormtrooper Black and Light Bluish Gray Markings Pattern (Rebels Cartoon Style)
* 
970c01pb35 Hips and White Legs with SW Stormtrooper Black and Light Bluish Gray Markings Pattern (Rebels Cartoon Style)
Parts: Minifigure, Legs, Decorated {Black}
has the note

"This part has at least two distinct print variants. One variant differs
from the other by having narrower print, and it most likely comes from the 5002938
Stormtrooper Sergeant polybag. Both variants are shown in the additional large
image."

However, the difference in the print is "significant" beyond just "narrower
print". The line on top of the knee decorations is significantly shorter
on the one from set
 
Set No: 5002938  Name: Stormtrooper Sergeant polybag
* 
5002938-1 (Inv) Stormtrooper Sergeant polybag
1 Part, 1 Minifigure, 2015
Sets: Star Wars: Star Wars Rebels
than on the regular version where the lines
extend to go underneath the hips but on the one from the polybag, it only goes
part way up. Also, tho I know now that it doesn't always mean a difference,
the part has 2 different PCCs. Also, I've confirmed the "short" line
print is from 5002938 from a sealed copy I purchased myself and multiple reviews
online.

Does this mean a split, or is it just "different machine print quality"

Interesting! I think the line is the only difference significant enough to note.
It could be a result of different machines being able to print further up on
the leg.

Interesting! Indeed, the other differences are minor relative to the line, I
feel like the line is such a “noticeable” thing that it might just be enough
to cross the line to be a new entry

  Anyway, here's what they look like superimposed...

That’s super!

  
~Jen
 Author: jennnifer View Messages Posted By jennnifer
 Posted: Mar 26, 2025 08:14
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In Catalog Requests, Nubs_Select writes:
  In Catalog Requests, jennnifer writes:
  In Catalog Requests, Nubs_Select writes:
  part
 
Part No: 970c01pb35  Name: Hips and White Legs with SW Stormtrooper Black and Light Bluish Gray Markings Pattern (Rebels Cartoon Style)
* 
970c01pb35 Hips and White Legs with SW Stormtrooper Black and Light Bluish Gray Markings Pattern (Rebels Cartoon Style)
Parts: Minifigure, Legs, Decorated {Black}
has the note

"This part has at least two distinct print variants. One variant differs
from the other by having narrower print, and it most likely comes from the 5002938
Stormtrooper Sergeant polybag. Both variants are shown in the additional large
image."

However, the difference in the print is "significant" beyond just "narrower
print". The line on top of the knee decorations is significantly shorter
on the one from set
 
Set No: 5002938  Name: Stormtrooper Sergeant polybag
* 
5002938-1 (Inv) Stormtrooper Sergeant polybag
1 Part, 1 Minifigure, 2015
Sets: Star Wars: Star Wars Rebels
than on the regular version where the lines
extend to go underneath the hips but on the one from the polybag, it only goes
part way up. Also, tho I know now that it doesn't always mean a difference,
the part has 2 different PCCs. Also, I've confirmed the "short" line
print is from 5002938 from a sealed copy I purchased myself and multiple reviews
online.

Does this mean a split, or is it just "different machine print quality"

Interesting! I think the line is the only difference significant enough to note.
It could be a result of different machines being able to print further up on
the leg.

Interesting! Indeed, the other differences are minor relative to the line, I
feel like the line is such a “noticeable” thing that it might just be enough
to cross the line to be a new entry

I thought of this because I see that most new printed legs now arrive with the
hips bent backward. This is a change from how they used to be. Since unprinted
legs don't come this way, I assume it has something to do with the printing
process.
~Jen

  
  Anyway, here's what they look like superimposed...

That’s super!

  
~Jen
 Author: yorbrick View Messages Posted By yorbrick
 Posted: Mar 26, 2025 08:32
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  .... I know now that it doesn't always mean a difference,
the part has 2 different PCCs. Also, I've confirmed the "short" line
print is from 5002938 from a sealed copy I purchased myself and multiple reviews
online.

Does this mean a split, or is it just "different machine print quality"


I imagine this is just a case of printed in different factories with different
machines so they give them different PCCs. One has a machine that can print slightly
longer lines but the print design is meant to be the same. Especially if that
factory produced just polybag and bagged promo sets, they'd all end up in
polybags. Whereas if the other factory printing the other type creates parts
for boxed sets, they would all end up in boxes.
 Author: Nubs_Select View Messages Posted By Nubs_Select
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In Catalog Requests, yorbrick writes:
  
  .... I know now that it doesn't always mean a difference,
the part has 2 different PCCs. Also, I've confirmed the "short" line
print is from 5002938 from a sealed copy I purchased myself and multiple reviews
online.

Does this mean a split, or is it just "different machine print quality"


I imagine this is just a case of printed in different factories with different
machines so they give them different PCCs. One has a machine that can print slightly
longer lines but the print design is meant to be the same. Especially if that
factory produced just polybag and bagged promo sets, they'd all end up in
polybags. Whereas if the other factory printing the other type creates parts
for boxed sets, they would all end up in boxes.

Indeed, but it’s not unheard of for factories different prints to end up as separate
entires (see reddish brown - dark brown Qui gon from last year) where even tho
both places were supposed to make the same part, they did it differently to the
point there was enough difference for a separate entry
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In Catalog Requests, Nubs_Select writes:
  In Catalog Requests, yorbrick writes:
  
  .... I know now that it doesn't always mean a difference,
the part has 2 different PCCs. Also, I've confirmed the "short" line
print is from 5002938 from a sealed copy I purchased myself and multiple reviews
online.

Does this mean a split, or is it just "different machine print quality"


I imagine this is just a case of printed in different factories with different
machines so they give them different PCCs. One has a machine that can print slightly
longer lines but the print design is meant to be the same. Especially if that
factory produced just polybag and bagged promo sets, they'd all end up in
polybags. Whereas if the other factory printing the other type creates parts
for boxed sets, they would all end up in boxes.

Indeed, but it’s not unheard of for factories different prints to end up as separate
entires (see reddish brown - dark brown Qui gon from last year) where even tho
both places were supposed to make the same part, they did it differently to the
point there was enough difference for a separate entry

Yes, I can understand different colours getting different entries. But different
length lines is probably a step too far unless they also allow an undetermined
type where it is difficult to say definitely one way or the other. Sometimes
spotting the difference is hard if you only have one example on hand. And can
be even worse for used parts where there might be some wear.
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In Catalog Requests, yorbrick writes:
  In Catalog Requests, Nubs_Select writes:
  In Catalog Requests, yorbrick writes:
  
  .... I know now that it doesn't always mean a difference,
the part has 2 different PCCs. Also, I've confirmed the "short" line
print is from 5002938 from a sealed copy I purchased myself and multiple reviews
online.

Does this mean a split, or is it just "different machine print quality"


I imagine this is just a case of printed in different factories with different
machines so they give them different PCCs. One has a machine that can print slightly
longer lines but the print design is meant to be the same. Especially if that
factory produced just polybag and bagged promo sets, they'd all end up in
polybags. Whereas if the other factory printing the other type creates parts
for boxed sets, they would all end up in boxes.

Indeed, but it’s not unheard of for factories different prints to end up as separate
entires (see reddish brown - dark brown Qui gon from last year) where even tho
both places were supposed to make the same part, they did it differently to the
point there was enough difference for a separate entry

Yes, I can understand different colours getting different entries. But different
length lines is probably a step too far unless they also allow an undetermined
type where it is difficult to say definitely one way or the other. Sometimes
spotting the difference is hard if you only have one example on hand. And can
be even worse for used parts where there might be some wear.

If it was split there would be a note pointing to a comparison image to help,
having seen both the reddish brown - dark brown hair versions and the line difference
version of this one, I can say these lines are significantly easier to tell apart
then the Qui gon gin heads
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In Catalog Requests, Nubs_Select writes:
  part
 
Part No: 970c01pb35  Name: Hips and White Legs with SW Stormtrooper Black and Light Bluish Gray Markings Pattern (Rebels Cartoon Style)
* 
970c01pb35 Hips and White Legs with SW Stormtrooper Black and Light Bluish Gray Markings Pattern (Rebels Cartoon Style)
Parts: Minifigure, Legs, Decorated {Black}
has the note

"This part has at least two distinct print variants. One variant differs
from the other by having narrower print, and it most likely comes from the 5002938
Stormtrooper Sergeant polybag. Both variants are shown in the additional large
image."

However, the difference in the print is "significant" beyond just "narrower
print". The line on top of the knee decorations is significantly shorter
on the one from set
 
Set No: 5002938  Name: Stormtrooper Sergeant polybag
* 
5002938-1 (Inv) Stormtrooper Sergeant polybag
1 Part, 1 Minifigure, 2015
Sets: Star Wars: Star Wars Rebels
than on the regular version where the lines
extend to go underneath the hips but on the one from the polybag, it only goes
part way up. Also, tho I know now that it doesn't always mean a difference,
the part has 2 different PCCs. Also, I've confirmed the "short" line
print is from 5002938 from a sealed copy I purchased myself and multiple reviews
online.

Does this mean a split, or is it just "different machine print quality"

I just had a look at the official part information for both PCCs. The part with
PCC 6106705 comes in set 5002938 and the part with PCC 6083548 comes in all of
the other sets. The print design documents for both parts show the exact same
design, so it is indeed just a variation of print quality due to different factories
and production runs. Therefore, the entry will remain as is.
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In Catalog, Turez writes:
  In Catalog Requests, Nubs_Select writes:
  part
 
Part No: 970c01pb35  Name: Hips and White Legs with SW Stormtrooper Black and Light Bluish Gray Markings Pattern (Rebels Cartoon Style)
* 
970c01pb35 Hips and White Legs with SW Stormtrooper Black and Light Bluish Gray Markings Pattern (Rebels Cartoon Style)
Parts: Minifigure, Legs, Decorated {Black}
has the note

"This part has at least two distinct print variants. One variant differs
from the other by having narrower print, and it most likely comes from the 5002938
Stormtrooper Sergeant polybag. Both variants are shown in the additional large
image."

However, the difference in the print is "significant" beyond just "narrower
print". The line on top of the knee decorations is significantly shorter
on the one from set
 
Set No: 5002938  Name: Stormtrooper Sergeant polybag
* 
5002938-1 (Inv) Stormtrooper Sergeant polybag
1 Part, 1 Minifigure, 2015
Sets: Star Wars: Star Wars Rebels
than on the regular version where the lines
extend to go underneath the hips but on the one from the polybag, it only goes
part way up. Also, tho I know now that it doesn't always mean a difference,
the part has 2 different PCCs. Also, I've confirmed the "short" line
print is from 5002938 from a sealed copy I purchased myself and multiple reviews
online.

Does this mean a split, or is it just "different machine print quality"

I just had a look at the official part information for both PCCs. The part with
PCC 6106705 comes in set 5002938 and the part with PCC 6083548 comes in all of
the other sets. The print design documents for both parts show the exact same
design, so it is indeed just a variation of print quality due to different factories
and production runs. Therefore, the entry will remain as is.

Seems quite a noticeable difference to keep the same even if not intentional
but I’ll submit the comparison image later today. At least the note can be updated
to confirm what comes from what. 🍕🍕