I appreciate someone has attempted to name the bows based on the technical look/design
but most people (including myself) are not bow gurus who are going to pay much
attention to such minor details and will misinterpret the intended meaning of
longbow with the size of the bow and whilst Bricklink is independent of other
sites I don’t think it’s a good idea to go against the grain in situations like
this when it completely contradicts the use of the word longbow here and elsewhere?
If we don’t want to name 93231 longbow instead, then I think we at least need
to remove the word longbow from the description of 4499 otherwise we run the
risk of creating confusion?
I appreciate someone has attempted to name the bows based on the technical look/design
but most people (including myself) are not bow gurus who are going to pay much
attention to such minor details and will misinterpret the intended meaning of
longbow with the size of the bow and whilst Bricklink is independent of other
sites I don’t think it’s a good idea to go against the grain in situations like
this when it completely contradicts the use of the word longbow here and elsewhere?
If we don’t want to name 93231 longbow instead, then I think we at least need
to remove the word longbow from the description of 4499 otherwise we run the
risk of creating confusion?
You were already given a full and detailed response to this inquiry from the
catalog team. The names will not be changed as was previously stated.
Was there a recent change in the search? I was going to ask if "and"
could get added to the names because I have often searched "bow and arrow"
and found nothing. But I checked again to make sure I was telling the truth
and now the search kicks "and" out and finds all of the bows.
Was there a recent change in the search? I was going to ask if "and"
could get added to the names because I have often searched "bow and arrow"
and found nothing. But I checked again to make sure I was telling the truth
and now the search kicks "and" out and finds all of the bows.
The results you get depend on whether you do an "All items" search or
a "Catalog Items" search. The 'and' is only kicked out of the
"Catalog Items" search and so it finds items with the words 'bow'
and 'arrow' in their name whereas the "All Items" search will
only find items with the words 'bow', 'and' and 'arrow'
in their name. I really don't know why BL needs to have the "All Items"
and "Catalogue Items" searches in the main search box ("All Items"
is fine if used as an advanced search where the user will hopefully know why
they are selecting it), or why they use an "All Items" search as the
default type.
Was there a recent change in the search? I was going to ask if "and"
could get added to the names because I have often searched "bow and arrow"
and found nothing. But I checked again to make sure I was telling the truth
and now the search kicks "and" out and finds all of the bows.
The results you get depend on whether you do an "All items" search or
a "Catalog Items" search. The 'and' is only kicked out of the
"Catalog Items" search and so it finds items with the words 'bow'
and 'arrow' in their name whereas the "All Items" search will
only find items with the words 'bow', 'and' and 'arrow'
in their name. I really don't know why BL needs to have the "All Items"
and "Catalogue Items" searches in the main search box ("All Items"
is fine if used as an advanced search where the user will hopefully know why
they are selecting it), or why they use an "All Items" search as the
default type.
In my opinion, there is nothing worth using All Items for.
A Catalog search for Grogu returns a results page with the actual minifig and
its parts.
All Items shows me a keychain and some coloring books.
All Items is only fine if you like clicking through tabs to get your results.
How simple would it have been for them to change the hierarchy and put the Gear
further down? It's a thoughtless design.
Catalog search + Category Summary is the best search method on this site.
Was there a recent change in the search? I was going to ask if "and"
could get added to the names because I have often searched "bow and arrow"
and found nothing. But I checked again to make sure I was telling the truth
and now the search kicks "and" out and finds all of the bows.
The results you get depend on whether you do an "All items" search or
a "Catalog Items" search. The 'and' is only kicked out of the
"Catalog Items" search and so it finds items with the words 'bow'
and 'arrow' in their name whereas the "All Items" search will
only find items with the words 'bow', 'and' and 'arrow'
in their name. I really don't know why BL needs to have the "All Items"
and "Catalogue Items" searches in the main search box ("All Items"
is fine if used as an advanced search where the user will hopefully know why
they are selecting it), or why they use an "All Items" search as the
default type.
In my opinion, there is nothing worth using All Items for.
There is a use, if you want to search for custom items.
A Catalog search for Grogu returns a results page with the actual minifig and
its parts.
All Items shows me a keychain and some coloring books.
All Items is only fine if you like clicking through tabs to get your results.
How simple would it have been for them to change the hierarchy and put the Gear
further down? It's a thoughtless design.
Catalog search + Category Summary is the best search method on this site.
Yes, it is, and the default setting should be catalog search.
Was there a recent change in the search? I was going to ask if "and"
could get added to the names because I have often searched "bow and arrow"
and found nothing. But I checked again to make sure I was telling the truth
and now the search kicks "and" out and finds all of the bows.
The results you get depend on whether you do an "All items" search or
a "Catalog Items" search. The 'and' is only kicked out of the
"Catalog Items" search and so it finds items with the words 'bow'
and 'arrow' in their name whereas the "All Items" search will
only find items with the words 'bow', 'and' and 'arrow'
in their name. I really don't know why BL needs to have the "All Items"
and "Catalogue Items" searches in the main search box ("All Items"
is fine if used as an advanced search where the user will hopefully know why
they are selecting it), or why they use an "All Items" search as the
default type.
In my opinion, there is nothing worth using All Items for.
There is a use, if you want to search for custom items.
Ah, interesting. Thanks for that info!
A Catalog search for Grogu returns a results page with the actual minifig and
its parts.
All Items shows me a keychain and some coloring books.
All Items is only fine if you like clicking through tabs to get your results.
How simple would it have been for them to change the hierarchy and put the Gear
further down? It's a thoughtless design.
Catalog search + Category Summary is the best search method on this site.
Yes, it is, and the default setting should be catalog search.
I appreciate someone has attempted to name the bows based on the technical look/design
but most people (including myself) are not bow gurus who are going to pay much
attention to such minor details and will misinterpret the intended meaning of
longbow with the size of the bow and whilst Bricklink is independent of other
sites I don’t think it’s a good idea to go against the grain in situations like
this when it completely contradicts the use of the word longbow here and elsewhere?
If we don’t want to name 93231 longbow instead, then I think we at least need
to remove the word longbow from the description of 4499 otherwise we run the
risk of creating confusion?
You were already given a full and detailed response to this inquiry from the
catalog team. The names will not be changed as was previously stated.
Cheers,
Randy
No, I only received a response from you alone and you only gave what I felt was
a relatively weak, non-substantial reason as to why you believe it is necessary
to include longbow in the description whilst completely dismissing the more important
concerns I raised about the blindingly obvious confusion this can cause?
But why should I expect you to care since you only buy here and don’t need to
deal with any potential aftermath from customers making incorrect purchases hence
I raised it here for anyone else who might actually care to listen to my concerns?
When people buy from my store I need 100% clarity that what my customer thinks
they are buying completely aligns with what I’m selling. There should be no unnecessary
grey areas and I wouldn’t mind but how much assistance does including the word
Longbow within part 4499 really offer anyway? The benefits of not including the
word are incomparable when it comes to reducing any potential misunderstandings?
4499 should simply be referred to as ‘Bow with Arrow’ given the word Longbow
is widely associated with a different similar looking part!
I appreciate someone has attempted to name the bows based on the technical look/design
but most people (including myself) are not bow gurus who are going to pay much
attention to such minor details and will misinterpret the intended meaning of
longbow with the size of the bow and whilst Bricklink is independent of other
sites I don’t think it’s a good idea to go against the grain in situations like
this when it completely contradicts the use of the word longbow here and elsewhere?
If we don’t want to name 93231 longbow instead, then I think we at least need
to remove the word longbow from the description of 4499 otherwise we run the
risk of creating confusion?
You were already given a full and detailed response to this inquiry from the
catalog team. The names will not be changed as was previously stated.
Cheers,
Randy
No, I only received a response from you alone and you only gave what I felt was
a relatively weak, non-substantial reason as to why you believe it is necessary
to include longbow in the description whilst completely dismissing the more important
concerns I raised about the blindingly obvious confusion this can cause?
But why should I expect you to care since you only buy here and don’t need to
deal with any potential aftermath from customers making incorrect purchases hence
I raised it here for anyone else who might actually care to listen to my concerns?
When people buy from my store I need 100% clarity that what my customer thinks
they are buying completely aligns with what I’m selling. There should be no unnecessary
grey areas and I wouldn’t mind but how much assistance does including the word
Longbow within part 4499 really offer anyway? The benefits of not including the
word are incomparable when it comes to reducing any potential misunderstandings?
4499 should simply be referred to as ‘Bow with Arrow’ given the word Longbow
is widely associated with a different similar looking part!
Longbow is only associated with 4499 on Bricklink. There are no other longbows
so there is no confusion.
I dont know anything about longbows either but there are only a few bows in the
catalog and the images give more information than the titles do.
If you are listing these incorrectly in your store then that's down to you
not to do with which of them should be the one called longbow in the catalog.
If you are listing these correctly but buyers are getting it wrong then I don't
see how. Irrespective of what they are called they all look different and distinct
to me anyway.
p.s. consider Randy's message to you from all of us admins even though it
was signed by him. It was not weak at all but whatever you though of it I agree
that the names are fine as they are and it needs no further debate publicly just
because you didn't get the word longbow moved to the part you wanted.
I appreciate someone has attempted to name the bows based on the technical look/design
but most people (including myself) are not bow gurus who are going to pay much
attention to such minor details and will misinterpret the intended meaning of
longbow with the size of the bow and whilst Bricklink is independent of other
sites I don’t think it’s a good idea to go against the grain in situations like
this when it completely contradicts the use of the word longbow here and elsewhere?
If we don’t want to name 93231 longbow instead, then I think we at least need
to remove the word longbow from the description of 4499 otherwise we run the
risk of creating confusion?
You were already given a full and detailed response to this inquiry from the
catalog team. The names will not be changed as was previously stated.
Cheers,
Randy
No, I only received a response from you alone and you only gave what I felt was
a relatively weak, non-substantial reason as to why you believe it is necessary
to include longbow in the description whilst completely dismissing the more important
concerns I raised about the blindingly obvious confusion this can cause?
But why should I expect you to care since you only buy here and don’t need to
deal with any potential aftermath from customers making incorrect purchases hence
I raised it here for anyone else who might actually care to listen to my concerns?
When people buy from my store I need 100% clarity that what my customer thinks
they are buying completely aligns with what I’m selling. There should be no unnecessary
grey areas and I wouldn’t mind but how much assistance does including the word
Longbow within part 4499 really offer anyway? The benefits of not including the
word are incomparable when it comes to reducing any potential misunderstandings?
4499 should simply be referred to as ‘Bow with Arrow’ given the word Longbow
is widely associated with a different similar looking part!
Longbow is only associated with 4499 on Bricklink. There are no other longbows
so there is no confusion.
Yes and Longbow is only associated with 93231 everywhere else? Therefore there
ought to be a little more considered thought process than just solely within
the realms of Bricklink alone. Lego themselves and Brickowl name 93231 Longbow
yet Bricklink have decided to call 4499 Longbow instead just to make things simple
for everyone?
I dont know anything about longbows either but there are only a few bows in the
catalog and the images give more information than the titles do.
If you are listing these incorrectly in your store then that's down to you
not to do with which of them should be the one called longbow in the catalog.
If you are listing these correctly but buyers are getting it wrong then I don't
see how. Irrespective of what they are called they all look different and distinct
to me anyway.
I’m not listing them incorrectly in my store however people often rush and take
note of the most relevant and obvious detail in the description (Longbow) and
run with that. Not every buyer is experienced, they come searching here from
elsewhere looking for longbow only for Bricklink to prompt them towards a different
bow altogether? That’s a very smart idea that is, what can possibly go wrong?
Even if you (and even I) consider the chance of mistakes slim why even allow
for that possibility to exist when any potential misunderstandings can be extinguished
altogether?
p.s. consider Randy's message to you from all of us admins even though it
was signed by him. It was not weak at all but whatever you though of it I agree
that the names are fine as they are and it needs no further debate publicly just
because you didn't get the word longbow moved to the part you wanted.
Well I have already gone to great lengths trying to explain valid reasons why
its not a good idea to name part 4499 Longbow. Yet nobody so far has been able
to provide a SINGLE good reason why it is so imperative that the word Longbow
must remain within the description of 4499? Or are we somehow suggesting people
won’t be able to find the part without the word longbow included?
Therefore I can only assume that the naming/describing of certain parts is sometimes
being made for personal, preferential reasons over good solid practical reasons?
I appreciate someone has attempted to name the bows based on the technical look/design
but most people (including myself) are not bow gurus who are going to pay much
attention to such minor details and will misinterpret the intended meaning of
longbow with the size of the bow and whilst Bricklink is independent of other
sites I don’t think it’s a good idea to go against the grain in situations like
this when it completely contradicts the use of the word longbow here and elsewhere?
If we don’t want to name 93231 longbow instead, then I think we at least need
to remove the word longbow from the description of 4499 otherwise we run the
risk of creating confusion?
You were already given a full and detailed response to this inquiry from the
catalog team. The names will not be changed as was previously stated.
Cheers,
Randy
No, I only received a response from you alone and you only gave what I felt was
a relatively weak, non-substantial reason as to why you believe it is necessary
to include longbow in the description whilst completely dismissing the more important
concerns I raised about the blindingly obvious confusion this can cause?
But why should I expect you to care since you only buy here and don’t need to
deal with any potential aftermath from customers making incorrect purchases hence
I raised it here for anyone else who might actually care to listen to my concerns?
When people buy from my store I need 100% clarity that what my customer thinks
they are buying completely aligns with what I’m selling. There should be no unnecessary
grey areas and I wouldn’t mind but how much assistance does including the word
Longbow within part 4499 really offer anyway? The benefits of not including the
word are incomparable when it comes to reducing any potential misunderstandings?
4499 should simply be referred to as ‘Bow with Arrow’ given the word Longbow
is widely associated with a different similar looking part!
Longbow is only associated with 4499 on Bricklink. There are no other longbows
so there is no confusion.
Yes and Longbow is only associated with 93231 everywhere else? Therefore there
ought to be a little more considered thought process than just solely within
the realms of Bricklink alone. Lego themselves and Brickowl name 93231 Longbow
yet Bricklink have decided to call 4499 Longbow instead just to make things simple
for everyone?
I dont know anything about longbows either but there are only a few bows in the
catalog and the images give more information than the titles do.
If you are listing these incorrectly in your store then that's down to you
not to do with which of them should be the one called longbow in the catalog.
If you are listing these correctly but buyers are getting it wrong then I don't
see how. Irrespective of what they are called they all look different and distinct
to me anyway.
I’m not listing them incorrectly in my store however people often rush and take
note of the most relevant and obvious detail in the description (Longbow) and
run with that. Not every buyer is experienced, they come searching here from
elsewhere looking for longbow only for Bricklink to prompt them towards a different
bow altogether? That’s a very smart idea that is, what can possibly go wrong?
Even if you (and even I) consider the chance of mistakes slim why even allow
for that possibility to exist when any potential misunderstandings can be extinguished
altogether?
p.s. consider Randy's message to you from all of us admins even though it
was signed by him. It was not weak at all but whatever you though of it I agree
that the names are fine as they are and it needs no further debate publicly just
because you didn't get the word longbow moved to the part you wanted.
Well I have already gone to great lengths trying to explain valid reasons why
its not a good idea to name part 4499 Longbow. Yet nobody so far has been able
to provide a SINGLE good reason why it is so imperative that the word Longbow
must remain within the description of 4499?
Because its a longbow. Simple as that. Consider TLG wrong about their name of
it (and I wouldn't even consider looking at what brickowl calls it - that
has zero relevance to Bricklink IMO)
Or are we somehow suggesting people
won’t be able to find the part without the word longbow included?
Therefore I can only assume that the naming/describing of certain parts is sometimes
being made for personal, preferential reasons over good solid practical reasons?
Because its a longbow. Simple as that. Consider TLG wrong about their name of
it (and I wouldn't even consider looking at what brickowl calls it - that
has zero relevance to Bricklink IMO)
Well its also just a Bow and Arrow where there is no specific need to elaborate
on the description further? (The other bows already have their own unique descriptions)
yet it is only this forced elaboration of the description that creates an unnecessary
issue that would otherwise not exist?
It also doesn’t matter whether you consider the TLG to be right or wrong but
more specifically it MATTERS what the bows are known as throughout the wider
community and it is short sighted to think that what an item is referred to outside
of Bricklink has zero consequence or concern here because many people are buying
here to sell elsewhere or buying elsewhere to sell here all of which directly
benefits Bricklink and yet the smooth running of one platform relies on other
platforms to at least attempt to try and work in sync with each other rather
than going against the grain for sake of going against the grain!
Because its a longbow. Simple as that. Consider TLG wrong about their name of
it (and I wouldn't even consider looking at what brickowl calls it - that
has zero relevance to Bricklink IMO)
Well its also just a Bow and Arrow where there is no specific need to elaborate
on the description further? (The other bows already have their own unique descriptions)
yet it is only this forced elaboration of the description that creates an unnecessary
issue that would otherwise not exist?
It also doesn’t matter whether you consider the TLG to be right or wrong but
more specifically it MATTERS what the bows are known as throughout the wider
community and it is short sighted to think that what an item is referred to outside
of Bricklink has zero consequence or concern here because many people are buying
here to sell elsewhere or buying elsewhere to sell here all of which directly
benefits Bricklink and yet the smooth running of one platform relies on other
platforms to at least attempt to try and work in sync with each other rather
than going against the grain for sake of going against the grain!
Nothing more really as I think I've already exhausted what I felt needed
to be said here but I did sill read you own comments within this read and appreciate
them.
Because its a longbow. Simple as that. Consider TLG wrong about their name of
it (and I wouldn't even consider looking at what brickowl calls it - that
has zero relevance to Bricklink IMO)
Well its also just a Bow and Arrow where there is no specific need to elaborate
on the description further? (The other bows already have their own unique descriptions)
yet it is only this forced elaboration of the description that creates an unnecessary
issue that would otherwise not exist?
It also doesn’t matter whether you consider the TLG to be right or wrong but
more specifically it MATTERS what the bows are known as throughout the wider
community and it is short sighted to think that what an item is referred to outside
of Bricklink has zero consequence or concern here because many people are buying
here to sell elsewhere or buying elsewhere to sell here all of which directly
benefits Bricklink and yet the smooth running of one platform relies on other
platforms to at least attempt to try and work in sync with each other rather
than going against the grain for sake of going against the grain!
The fact TLG calls the recurve a longbow is probably just a translation issue.
They call their pink parts purple, and the parts that are _actually_ purple are
called lilac. You won't find any purple parts on PAB if you choose the purple
color filter.
Yes and Longbow is only associated with 93231 everywhere else? Therefore there
ought to be a little more considered thought process than just solely within
the realms of Bricklink alone. Lego themselves and Brickowl name 93231 Longbow
yet Bricklink have decided to call 4499 Longbow instead just to make things simple
for everyone?
I have some sympathy because of LEGO misnaming it. I would have minded if admin
had decided to add the word to the recurve for that reason. our conversation
started privately, so I'm just trying to discern, but I guess a customer
of yours did search longbow and ordered from you without looking at the picture
and got the item they ordered and treated you like it was your fault that it
wasn't what they wanted. That is frustrating. It was their mistake and
they should be able to see that in hindsight.
Even though LEGO misnames the recurve and even though your customer DID apparently
search longbow, I am pretty doubtful that very many people put "longbow"
into a search that don't know what a longbow actually is. I would expect
them to search bow and arrow and choose by picture from there. When reality
is on one side and LEGO and Brickowl are on the other, I do think reality makes
the stronger argument. Maybe you didn't know the term when you started the
conversation, but from where we are NOW, I think your best move is to ask Brickowl
to harmonize their listing with Bricklink and REALITY. Then only LEGO would
be wrong and they are probably the least likely of the 3 for a customer to be
getting their search terms from. If I were on Pick and Brick and wanted to order
a part I found there from Bricklink, I would use the PCC.
Yes and Longbow is only associated with 93231 everywhere else? Therefore there
ought to be a little more considered thought process than just solely within
the realms of Bricklink alone. Lego themselves and Brickowl name 93231 Longbow
yet Bricklink have decided to call 4499 Longbow instead just to make things simple
for everyone?
I have some sympathy because of LEGO misnaming it. I would have minded if admin
had decided to add the word to the recurve for that reason.
I agree with this (assuming you meant you would NOT mind). I can see a costumer
browsing LEGO and seeing there item 93231 described as longbow and searching
here for longbow without paying much attention to the picture, and ending up
getting item 4499 instead. All this aggravation for the sake of what, being right?
And in the topic of being right, I found this nice picture, apparently what BrickLink
is calling "longbow" is in fact a "trainer"?
our conversation
started privately, so I'm just trying to discern, but I guess a customer
of yours did search longbow and ordered from you without looking at the picture
and got the item they ordered and treated you like it was your fault that it
wasn't what they wanted. That is frustrating. It was their mistake and
they should be able to see that in hindsight.
Even though LEGO misnames the recurve and even though your customer DID apparently
search longbow, I am pretty doubtful that very many people put "longbow"
into a search that don't know what a longbow actually is. I would expect
them to search bow and arrow and choose by picture from there. When reality
is on one side and LEGO and Brickowl are on the other, I do think reality makes
the stronger argument. Maybe you didn't know the term when you started the
conversation, but from where we are NOW, I think your best move is to ask Brickowl
to harmonize their listing with Bricklink and REALITY. Then only LEGO would
be wrong and they are probably the least likely of the 3 for a customer to be
getting their search terms from. If I were on Pick and Brick and wanted to order
a part I found there from Bricklink, I would use the PCC.
[…]
But shouldn't the Longbow be actually larger than the Recurve Bow?
Yet, your pic shows a recurve bow that’s taller than the longbow
Anyway, “longbow” doesn’t mean “(any) long bow,” like “blackbird” doesn’t mean
“(any) black bird.”
It’s how the bow works: it has a long draw (pull), and therefore also long arrows.
[…]
But shouldn't the Longbow be actually larger than the Recurve Bow?
Yet, your pic shows a recurve bow that’s taller than the longbow
Are we looking at the same pictures?
Anyway, “longbow” doesn’t mean “(any) long bow,” like “blackbird” doesn’t mean
“(any) black bird.”
It’s how the bow works: it has a long draw (pull), and therefore also long arrows.
[…]
But shouldn't the Longbow be actually larger than the Recurve Bow?
Yet, your pic shows a recurve bow that’s taller than the longbow
Are we looking at the same pictures?
The so-called “trainer bow” on your pic is a longbow
Anyway, “longbow” doesn’t mean “(any) long bow,” like “blackbird” doesn’t mean
“(any) black bird.”
It’s how the bow works: it has a long draw (pull), and therefore also long arrows.
Roger that, I'm no expert in this matter, I just found the subject curious.
But shouldn't the Longbow be actually larger than the Recurve Bow?
Well yes I actually noticed the same yesterday, Recurve bow shorter than Longbow
but I didn’t bother including that argument as I’d only open myself up to the
old “item size is irrelevant” debate
The funny thing is whilst I think its ideal to try and give weaponry its real
life closest match this is still at the end of the day a fantasy Lego toy with
many fantasy themes such as Lord of the Rings and so who’s to say the so called
“Recurve” bow that Lego have assigned to Legolas is a Recurve bow in that world
anyway? Can it not be some simple elaborated elf design on the ends? After all
briefly searching online it is claimed he uses a Longbow, others call it a Lothlorien
Bow or Bow of Galadhrim I have no idea as I’m not that much of a Lord of the
Rings geek likewise I’ve played many fantasy video games over the years where
in that world you can pick up shorts bows and the likes. Therefore just because
people claim something doesn’t exist in the real world we’re dealing with Lego
parts and therefore simple and easily understood descriptions such as short bow
shouldn’t be so quickly dismissed with such snobbery after all this isn’t a real
life arms and weapons market place!
I appreciate someone has attempted to name the bows based on the technical look/design
but most people (including myself) are not bow gurus who are going to pay much
attention to such minor details and will misinterpret the intended meaning of
longbow with the size of the bow and whilst Bricklink is independent of other
sites I don’t think it’s a good idea to go against the grain in situations like
this when it completely contradicts the use of the word longbow here and elsewhere?
If we don’t want to name 93231 longbow instead, then I think we at least need
to remove the word longbow from the description of 4499 otherwise we run the
risk of creating confusion?
You were already given a full and detailed response to this inquiry from the
catalog team. The names will not be changed as was previously stated.
Cheers,
Randy
No, I only received a response from you alone and you only gave what I felt was
a relatively weak, non-substantial reason as to why you believe it is necessary
to include longbow in the description whilst completely dismissing the more important
concerns I raised about the blindingly obvious confusion this can cause?
But why should I expect you to care since you only buy here and don’t need to
deal with any potential aftermath from customers making incorrect purchases hence
I raised it here for anyone else who might actually care to listen to my concerns?
When people buy from my store I need 100% clarity that what my customer thinks
they are buying completely aligns with what I’m selling. There should be no unnecessary
grey areas and I wouldn’t mind but how much assistance does including the word
Longbow within part 4499 really offer anyway? The benefits of not including the
word are incomparable when it comes to reducing any potential misunderstandings?
4499 should simply be referred to as ‘Bow with Arrow’ given the word Longbow
is widely associated with a different similar looking part!
Yikes! Sorry you are upset, but I don't think it's necessary to raise
this to a personal attack. I just did a few quick internet searches and the
differences between longbow and recurve bows here seems very accurate.
Just because it has the descriptor 'long' in it does not change what
is essential a technical term for that kind of bow.
I appreciate someone has attempted to name the bows based on the technical look/design
but most people (including myself) are not bow gurus who are going to pay much
attention to such minor details and will misinterpret the intended meaning of
longbow with the size of the bow and whilst Bricklink is independent of other
sites I don’t think it’s a good idea to go against the grain in situations like
this when it completely contradicts the use of the word longbow here and elsewhere?
If we don’t want to name 93231 longbow instead, then I think we at least need
to remove the word longbow from the description of 4499 otherwise we run the
risk of creating confusion?
You were already given a full and detailed response to this inquiry from the
catalog team. The names will not be changed as was previously stated.
Cheers,
Randy
No, I only received a response from you alone and you only gave what I felt was
a relatively weak, non-substantial reason as to why you believe it is necessary
to include longbow in the description whilst completely dismissing the more important
concerns I raised about the blindingly obvious confusion this can cause?
But why should I expect you to care since you only buy here and don’t need to
deal with any potential aftermath from customers making incorrect purchases hence
I raised it here for anyone else who might actually care to listen to my concerns?
When people buy from my store I need 100% clarity that what my customer thinks
they are buying completely aligns with what I’m selling. There should be no unnecessary
grey areas and I wouldn’t mind but how much assistance does including the word
Longbow within part 4499 really offer anyway? The benefits of not including the
word are incomparable when it comes to reducing any potential misunderstandings?
4499 should simply be referred to as ‘Bow with Arrow’ given the word Longbow
is widely associated with a different similar looking part!
Yikes! Sorry you are upset, but I don't think it's necessary to raise
this to a personal attack.
There is no personal attack?? Just a frustrated response towards a dismissive
response regarding the valid issues I've raised!
Just because it has the descriptor 'long' in it does not change what
is essential a technical term for that kind of bow.
Yes and by all means include technical terms so long as they don’t interfere
with or create confusion among other similarly associated parts which this particular
one DOES!
I appreciate someone has attempted to name the bows based on the technical look/design
but most people (including myself) are not bow gurus who are going to pay much
attention to such minor details and will misinterpret the intended meaning of
longbow with the size of the bow and whilst Bricklink is independent of other
sites I don’t think it’s a good idea to go against the grain in situations like
this when it completely contradicts the use of the word longbow here and elsewhere?
If we don’t want to name 93231 longbow instead, then I think we at least need
to remove the word longbow from the description of 4499 otherwise we run the
risk of creating confusion?
You were already given a full and detailed response to this inquiry from the
catalog team. The names will not be changed as was previously stated.
Cheers,
Randy
No, I only received a response from you alone and you only gave what I felt was
a relatively weak, non-substantial reason as to why you believe it is necessary
to include longbow in the description whilst completely dismissing the more important
concerns I raised about the blindingly obvious confusion this can cause?
But why should I expect you to care since you only buy here and don’t need to
deal with any potential aftermath from customers making incorrect purchases hence
I raised it here for anyone else who might actually care to listen to my concerns?
When people buy from my store I need 100% clarity that what my customer thinks
they are buying completely aligns with what I’m selling. There should be no unnecessary
grey areas and I wouldn’t mind but how much assistance does including the word
Longbow within part 4499 really offer anyway? The benefits of not including the
word are incomparable when it comes to reducing any potential misunderstandings?
4499 should simply be referred to as ‘Bow with Arrow’ given the word Longbow
is widely associated with a different similar looking part!
Yikes! Sorry you are upset, but I don't think it's necessary to raise
this to a personal attack.
There is no personal attack?? Just a frustrated response towards a dismissive
response regarding the valid issues I've raised!
This is what a personal attack looks like:
"But why should I expect you to care since you only buy here and don’t need
to deal with any potential aftermath from customers making incorrect purchases
hence I raised it here for anyone else who might actually care to listen to my
concerns?"
Randy does care. A LOT. Enough to volunteer his time here for years. Enough to
patiently and politely respond to your request. Your statement is patently unfair.
Just because it has the descriptor 'long' in it does not change what
is essential a technical term for that kind of bow.
Yes and by all means include technical terms so long as they don’t interfere
with or create confusion among other similarly associated parts which this particular
one DOES!
So, your argument is that we shouldn't call this bow a longbow, despite it
being correct, because there is a another different bow in the Catalog that is
actually longer than it?
For a while now, we have been attempting to remove relative descriptors from
Catalog items. Newer/Older Smaller/Larger Darker/Lighter. We can't always
achieve it because some parts are too similar or difficult to describe. But these
two items can be easily identified without reference to the other. That is actually
what we want. lt's accurate and non-subjective. It does NOT have anything
to do with the relative size. It refers to the shape. As technical terms go,
this is one is very basic.
Sometime this week, I will create some good comparison photos with labels and
add them to the Catalog. Hopefully, this will give you and others a reference
point.
Again, I am sorry you are frustrated, but please consider listening to other
people's opinion on this?
I appreciate someone has attempted to name the bows based on the technical look/design
but most people (including myself) are not bow gurus who are going to pay much
attention to such minor details and will misinterpret the intended meaning of
longbow with the size of the bow and whilst Bricklink is independent of other
sites I don’t think it’s a good idea to go against the grain in situations like
this when it completely contradicts the use of the word longbow here and elsewhere?
If we don’t want to name 93231 longbow instead, then I think we at least need
to remove the word longbow from the description of 4499 otherwise we run the
risk of creating confusion?
You were already given a full and detailed response to this inquiry from the
catalog team. The names will not be changed as was previously stated.
Cheers,
Randy
No, I only received a response from you alone and you only gave what I felt was
a relatively weak, non-substantial reason as to why you believe it is necessary
to include longbow in the description whilst completely dismissing the more important
concerns I raised about the blindingly obvious confusion this can cause?
But why should I expect you to care since you only buy here and don’t need to
deal with any potential aftermath from customers making incorrect purchases hence
I raised it here for anyone else who might actually care to listen to my concerns?
When people buy from my store I need 100% clarity that what my customer thinks
they are buying completely aligns with what I’m selling. There should be no unnecessary
grey areas and I wouldn’t mind but how much assistance does including the word
Longbow within part 4499 really offer anyway? The benefits of not including the
word are incomparable when it comes to reducing any potential misunderstandings?
4499 should simply be referred to as ‘Bow with Arrow’ given the word Longbow
is widely associated with a different similar looking part!
Yikes! Sorry you are upset, but I don't think it's necessary to raise
this to a personal attack.
There is no personal attack?? Just a frustrated response towards a dismissive
response regarding the valid issues I've raised!
This is what a personal attack looks like:
"But why should I expect you to care since you only buy here and don’t need
to deal with any potential aftermath from customers making incorrect purchases
hence I raised it here for anyone else who might actually care to listen to my
concerns?"
No this is a valid statement which you are choosing to overly dramatise the moment
you use the word attack!
So, your argument is that we shouldn't call this bow a longbow, despite it
being correct, because there is a another different bow in the Catalog that is
actually longer than it?
No this is not the full essence of what I’m saying and so if you care to challenge
what I’m saying then please at least read what I’ve said throughout this thread
however I would suggest not to bother as its already clear your opinion is not
in any way going to align with my own so better to just leave it there....
I appreciate someone has attempted to name the bows based on the technical look/design
but most people (including myself) are not bow gurus who are going to pay much
attention to such minor details and will misinterpret the intended meaning of
longbow with the size of the bow and whilst Bricklink is independent of other
sites I don’t think it’s a good idea to go against the grain in situations like
this when it completely contradicts the use of the word longbow here and elsewhere?
If we don’t want to name 93231 longbow instead, then I think we at least need
to remove the word longbow from the description of 4499 otherwise we run the
risk of creating confusion?
You were already given a full and detailed response to this inquiry from the
catalog team. The names will not be changed as was previously stated.
Cheers,
Randy
No, I only received a response from you alone and you only gave what I felt was
a relatively weak, non-substantial reason as to why you believe it is necessary
to include longbow in the description whilst completely dismissing the more important
concerns I raised about the blindingly obvious confusion this can cause?
But why should I expect you to care since you only buy here and don’t need to
deal with any potential aftermath from customers making incorrect purchases hence
I raised it here for anyone else who might actually care to listen to my concerns?
When people buy from my store I need 100% clarity that what my customer thinks
they are buying completely aligns with what I’m selling. There should be no unnecessary
grey areas and I wouldn’t mind but how much assistance does including the word
Longbow within part 4499 really offer anyway? The benefits of not including the
word are incomparable when it comes to reducing any potential misunderstandings?
4499 should simply be referred to as ‘Bow with Arrow’ given the word Longbow
is widely associated with a different similar looking part!
Yikes! Sorry you are upset, but I don't think it's necessary to raise
this to a personal attack.
There is no personal attack?? Just a frustrated response towards a dismissive
response regarding the valid issues I've raised!
This is what a personal attack looks like:
"But why should I expect you to care since you only buy here and don’t need
to deal with any potential aftermath from customers making incorrect purchases
hence I raised it here for anyone else who might actually care to listen to my
concerns?"
No this is a valid statement which you are choosing to overly dramatise the moment
you use the word attack!
So, your argument is that we shouldn't call this bow a longbow, despite it
being correct, because there is a another different bow in the Catalog that is
actually longer than it?
No this is not the full essence of what I’m saying and so if you care to challenge
what I’m saying then please at least read what I’ve said throughout this thread
however I would suggest not to bother as its already clear your opinion is not
in any way going to align with my own so better to just leave it there....
My apologies. You are right that I didn't get everything you wrote. I struggle
with reading big blocks of text like that. Anyway, it's not really a discussion
if there is only you stating your opinion and denying any opinion that doesn't
align with yours. Also, I thought you were being mean, so I felt like I should
speak up.
And now I've said my piece and will also just leave it here.
I appreciate someone has attempted to name the bows based on the technical look/design
but most people (including myself) are not bow gurus who are going to pay much
attention to such minor details and will misinterpret the intended meaning of
longbow with the size of the bow and whilst Bricklink is independent of other
sites I don’t think it’s a good idea to go against the grain in situations like
this when it completely contradicts the use of the word longbow here and elsewhere?
If we don’t want to name 93231 longbow instead, then I think we at least need
to remove the word longbow from the description of 4499 otherwise we run the
risk of creating confusion?
You were already given a full and detailed response to this inquiry from the
catalog team. The names will not be changed as was previously stated.
Cheers,
Randy
No, I only received a response from you alone and you only gave what I felt was
a relatively weak, non-substantial reason as to why you believe it is necessary
to include longbow in the description whilst completely dismissing the more important
concerns I raised about the blindingly obvious confusion this can cause?
But why should I expect you to care since you only buy here and don’t need to
deal with any potential aftermath from customers making incorrect purchases hence
I raised it here for anyone else who might actually care to listen to my concerns?
When people buy from my store I need 100% clarity that what my customer thinks
they are buying completely aligns with what I’m selling. There should be no unnecessary
grey areas and I wouldn’t mind but how much assistance does including the word
Longbow within part 4499 really offer anyway? The benefits of not including the
word are incomparable when it comes to reducing any potential misunderstandings?
4499 should simply be referred to as ‘Bow with Arrow’ given the word Longbow
is widely associated with a different similar looking part!
Yikes! Sorry you are upset, but I don't think it's necessary to raise
this to a personal attack.
There is no personal attack?? Just a frustrated response towards a dismissive
response regarding the valid issues I've raised!
This is what a personal attack looks like:
"But why should I expect you to care since you only buy here and don’t need
to deal with any potential aftermath from customers making incorrect purchases
hence I raised it here for anyone else who might actually care to listen to my
concerns?"
No this is a valid statement which you are choosing to overly dramatise the moment
you use the word attack!
So, your argument is that we shouldn't call this bow a longbow, despite it
being correct, because there is a another different bow in the Catalog that is
actually longer than it?
No this is not the full essence of what I’m saying and so if you care to challenge
what I’m saying then please at least read what I’ve said throughout this thread
however I would suggest not to bother as its already clear your opinion is not
in any way going to align with my own so better to just leave it there....
My apologies. You are right that I didn't get everything you wrote. I struggle
with reading big blocks of text like that. Anyway, it's not really a discussion
if there is only you stating your opinion and denying any opinion that doesn't
align with yours. Also, I thought you were being mean, so I felt like I should
speak up.
And now I've said my piece and will also just leave it here.
Thanks,
~Jen
Bit rich given you’ve already as good as admitted you jumped to the defence of
catalog admins without even fully reading/taking onboard my own viewpoint and
opinion?
If you want to nod along to whatever catalog admins have to say well that’s up
to you however when I’m raising an honest, genuine concern I do so for good reason
and yet if you/others are unable to see where I’m coming from over what I deem
a valid/reasonable request are you not denying my opinion also?
I appreciate someone has attempted to name the bows based on the technical look/design
but most people (including myself) are not bow gurus who are going to pay much
attention to such minor details and will misinterpret the intended meaning of
longbow with the size of the bow and whilst Bricklink is independent of other
sites I don’t think it’s a good idea to go against the grain in situations like
this when it completely contradicts the use of the word longbow here and elsewhere?
If we don’t want to name 93231 longbow instead, then I think we at least need
to remove the word longbow from the description of 4499 otherwise we run the
risk of creating confusion?
Though your logic is sound and selling concern real, is this honestly the listing
hill to die on
Present your reasoning to those doing the work and making those calls, maybe
they'll see it, maybe not. But I wouldn't invest any more of your valuable
time and effort. Lateral moves, would be my advise. Maybe place outward facing
comments within those listings, addressing your concern over misunderstanding
buyers.
That’s not my argument, My argument is...
Can we not just call the basic design ‘Bow and Arrow’ for the sake of helping
to prevent any confusion that may arise from the fact that a completely different
bow was named longbow by the Lego Group (Rightly or Wrongly!)
United Kingdom, England
USA, Ohio
France, Provence-Alpes-Côte d'Azur
Portugal
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