Using the same width window I had before this recent change, the search area
is now useless to me. I can type in it, but I can't see what I type. As a
customer, the search area should be the most used area, I would think. But now
I can't see what I type into it. And honestly I only know that there's
an area to type because that's where it should be, but it is not obvious
that one can type there. A normal non tech customer would wonder how one can
search for a part/set/etc.
I would advice not waiting until the search input area is that small before changing
the layout of the navbar to properly display the search area in all its glory.
How do you get the new navigation bar to appear like that? Is there a setting
for it? My screen has more blank space. (See attached image.) I have to do
several clicks through the 3-bar menu thing on the far right which doesn't
appear in your screenshot.
How do you get the new navigation bar to appear like that? Is there a setting
for it? My screen has more blank space. (See attached image.) I have to do
several clicks through the 3-bar menu thing on the far right which doesn't
appear in your screenshot.
David
The available links change on the width of your browser bar.
How do you get the new navigation bar to appear like that? Is there a setting
for it? My screen has more blank space. (See attached image.) I have to do
several clicks through the 3-bar menu thing on the far right which doesn't
appear in your screenshot.
David
The available links change on the width of your browser bar.
~Jen
Actually, this is more accurate since the Search is unusable at some widths.
How do you get the new navigation bar to appear like that? Is there a setting
for it? My screen has more blank space. (See attached image.) I have to do
several clicks through the 3-bar menu thing on the far right which doesn't
appear in your screenshot.
David
The available links change on the width of your browser bar.
~Jen
Actually, this is more accurate since the Search is unusable at some widths.
~Jen
And now I've just seen my spelling error and want to bury my head in the
sand. UGH!
Please disregard all my posts for the last hour or so. lol
No worries; I didn't even notice the misspellings.
My monitor is 1920 pixels wide. I checked my browser window, and it's at
1192 pixels wide. When I maximize the browser, the navigation bar does appear
as it does in the screenshot from the original message in the thread. However,
there's no way I'm using my browser maximized on such a large monitor.
The width I have it set at is perfectly fine for every other website
I ever go to. The point of me having a wide monitor is so I can have my browser
window at a normal width while still being able to see and click desktop icons
and other programs.
I suppose I wouldn't find it any more useful if the navigation bar appeared
along the top of my browser anyway. Clicking "Marketplace" doesn't
take me to the catalog like it did before, clicking "Community" doesn't
take me to the forum like it did before, etc. etc. ... sigh
Thank you Jennifer for pointing this out to me. I now have a clearer view of
Bricklink's recent failure.
[…]
The width I have it set at is perfectly fine for every other website
I ever go to.
What “other website”? There’s no other website!
[…] Clicking "Marketplace" doesn't
take me to the catalog like it did before, clicking "Community" doesn't
take me to the forum like it did before, etc. etc. ... sigh
Shortcuts are good but a menu is a menu, not a button.
The previous way was wrong. It was nearly impossible to know it was menu.
Also, how do you hover with a touchscreen?
How do you make the difference between “I tapped because I want to open the menu”
and “I tapped on the button”?
[…]
The width I have it set at is perfectly fine for every other website
I ever go to.
What “other website”? There’s no other website!
[…] Clicking "Marketplace" doesn't
take me to the catalog like it did before, clicking "Community" doesn't
take me to the forum like it did before, etc. etc. ... sigh
Shortcuts are good but a menu is a menu, not a button.
The previous way was wrong. It was nearly impossible to know it was menu.
It was wrong... but super convenient!
~Jen
Also, how do you hover with a touchscreen?
How do you make the difference between “I tapped because I want to open the menu”
and “I tapped on the button”?
No worries; I didn't even notice the misspellings.
My monitor is 1920 pixels wide. I checked my browser window, and it's at
1192 pixels wide. When I maximize the browser, the navigation bar does appear
as it does in the screenshot from the original message in the thread. However,
there's no way I'm using my browser maximized on such a large monitor.
The width I have it set at is perfectly fine for every other website
I ever go to. The point of me having a wide monitor is so I can have my browser
window at a normal width while still being able to see and click desktop icons
and other programs.
I suppose I wouldn't find it any more useful if the navigation bar appeared
along the top of my browser anyway. Clicking "Marketplace" doesn't
take me to the catalog like it did before, clicking "Community" doesn't
take me to the forum like it did before, etc. etc. ... sigh
Thank you Jennifer for pointing this out to me. I now have a clearer view of
Bricklink's recent failure.
David
Maybe you have the windows screen settings to scale at 150% or more.
No worries; I didn't even notice the misspellings.
My monitor is 1920 pixels wide. I checked my browser window, and it's at
1192 pixels wide. When I maximize the browser, the navigation bar does appear
as it does in the screenshot from the original message in the thread. However,
there's no way I'm using my browser maximized on such a large monitor.
The width I have it set at is perfectly fine for every other website
I ever go to. The point of me having a wide monitor is so I can have my browser
window at a normal width while still being able to see and click desktop icons
and other programs.
I suppose I wouldn't find it any more useful if the navigation bar appeared
along the top of my browser anyway. Clicking "Marketplace" doesn't
take me to the catalog like it did before, clicking "Community" doesn't
take me to the forum like it did before, etc. etc. ... sigh
Thank you Jennifer for pointing this out to me. I now have a clearer view of
Bricklink's recent failure.
David
Maybe you have the windows screen settings to scale at 150% or more.
Yes in Windows Chrome you can press Ctrl + '+' and change the scale to
150%. It works but everything else is fairly big haha.
No worries; I didn't even notice the misspellings.
My monitor is 1920 pixels wide. I checked my browser window, and it's at
1192 pixels wide. When I maximize the browser, the navigation bar does appear
as it does in the screenshot from the original message in the thread. However,
there's no way I'm using my browser maximized on such a large monitor.
The width I have it set at is perfectly fine for every other website
I ever go to. The point of me having a wide monitor is so I can have my browser
window at a normal width while still being able to see and click desktop icons
and other programs.
I suppose I wouldn't find it any more useful if the navigation bar appeared
along the top of my browser anyway. Clicking "Marketplace" doesn't
take me to the catalog like it did before, clicking "Community" doesn't
take me to the forum like it did before, etc. etc. ... sigh
Thank you Jennifer for pointing this out to me. I now have a clearer view of
Bricklink's recent failure.
David
Maybe you have the windows screen settings to scale at 150% or more.
Yes in Windows Chrome you can press Ctrl + '+' and change the scale to
150%. It works but everything else is fairly big haha.
So they made a change on the BDP page and made the BL logo smaller which means
the search is now useful again, but on the home page, and other pages, like the
Forum and such, the BL logo is still large which causes the search field to be
useless. See screenshots.
[…]
So they made a change on the BDP page and made the BL logo smaller which means
the search is now useful again, but on the home page, and other pages, like the
Forum and such, the BL logo is still large which causes the search field to be
useless. See screenshots.
[…]
So they made a change on the BDP page and made the BL logo smaller which means
the search is now useful again, but on the home page, and other pages, like the
Forum and such, the BL logo is still large which causes the search field to be
useless. See screenshots.
Same size here. Maybe a cache issue on your PC?
Nope - it's clearly different....here's a comparison and neither has
been cached.
[…]
So they made a change on the BDP page and made the BL logo smaller which means
the search is now useful again, but on the home page, and other pages, like the
Forum and such, the BL logo is still large which causes the search field to be
useless. See screenshots.
Same size here. Maybe a cache issue on your PC?
Nope - it's clearly different....here's a comparison and neither has
been cached.
Ah, I see: it’s because I was looking at the site at 120%. They are only different
at 100% (and 200% and 400%), otherwise, they are the same size.
[…]
So they made a change on the BDP page and made the BL logo smaller which means
the search is now useful again, but on the home page, and other pages, like the
Forum and such, the BL logo is still large which causes the search field to be
useless. See screenshots.
Same size here. Maybe a cache issue on your PC?
Nope - it's clearly different....here's a comparison and neither has
been cached.
Ah, I see: it’s because I was looking at the site at 120%. They are only different
at 100% (and 200% and 400%), otherwise, they are the same size.
And it depends on the browser too. What I said above was for Firefox, it’s different
on Falkon.
I also noticed that the pages don’t have the same width: from 170%, with a window
width of 1750 pixels, the main page needs a horizontal scrollbar, the BDP page
doesn’t (only the series selector has a horizontal scrollbar, not the whole page).
So that may explain why some pages react differently and scale the logo differently.
[…]
So they made a change on the BDP page and made the BL logo smaller which means
the search is now useful again, but on the home page, and other pages, like the
Forum and such, the BL logo is still large which causes the search field to be
useless. See screenshots.
Same size here. Maybe a cache issue on your PC?
Nope - it's clearly different....here's a comparison and neither has
been cached.
How do you get the new navigation bar to appear like that? Is there a setting
for it? My screen has more blank space. (See attached image.) I have to do
several clicks through the 3-bar menu thing on the far right which doesn't
appear in your screenshot.
David
The available links change on the width of your browser bar.
~Jen
Actually, this is more accurate since the Search is unusable at some widths.
~Jen
It's been 10 months now and the search is still not usable for people who
have 1240 as their width - the CSS on the site could quickly and easily be altered
to behave different at that point, since there's no reason to put search
there if one can't see what they type. A screenshot from today - I typed
in the field and it gave me suggestions below it, but never showed me what I
was typing.
Do BrickLink web designers not understand how this website is used or how
to present an interface that customers and sellers can use? This is again, basic
101 web design stuff, just like understanding how cookies are used is basic 101
web dev work. It feels like amateur hour at BL when anything is done to this
website. Clearly you don't want more customers or sellers to use this platform,
judging by how you have crippled the site back in December and this September.
How do you get the new navigation bar to appear like that? Is there a setting
for it? My screen has more blank space. (See attached image.) I have to do
several clicks through the 3-bar menu thing on the far right which doesn't
appear in your screenshot.
David
The available links change on the width of your browser bar.
~Jen
Actually, this is more accurate since the Search is unusable at some widths.
~Jen
It's been 10 months now and the search is still not usable for people who
have 1240 as their width - the CSS on the site could quickly and easily be altered
to behave different at that point, since there's no reason to put search
there if one can't see what they type. A screenshot from today - I typed
in the field and it gave me suggestions below it, but never showed me what I
was typing.
I just increase the magnification for this site - at 125% I don't see any
of the links across the top.
[…]
I just increase the magnification for this site - at 125% I don't see any
of the links across the top.
But then the whole site is bigger and some things may not fit on the page anymore
(orders…), or less nicely.
Exactly. Currently the website only reacts to 1250, 1200, 1100, 1000, 75, and
150 pixel widths, if my super sleepy self is reading the CSS correctly. The search
box for me is 42x40 pixels, but if I comment out the 100% width, then I get a
usable search area [though I have to horizontally scroll to get the rest of the
navbar to work]. With me more awake, I could probably get this to react as it
would at 1200 pixels across, and give me a larger search area, minus the 4 drop
down links.
[…]
I just increase the magnification for this site - at 125% I don't see any
of the links across the top.
But then the whole site is bigger and some things may not fit on the page anymore
(orders…), or less nicely.
Exactly. Currently the website only reacts to 1250, 1200, 1100, 1000, 75, and
150 pixel widths, if my super sleepy self is reading the CSS correctly. The search
box for me is 42x40 pixels, but if I comment out the 100% width, then I get a
usable search area [though I have to horizontally scroll to get the rest of the
navbar to work]. With me more awake, I could probably get this to react as it
would at 1200 pixels across, and give me a larger search area, minus the 4 drop
down links.
If there was a bit of colour in the navbar, the menus wouldn't need to be
separated by so much white space.
If the dropdown symbol (V) was placed below the text, it'd save even more
space, especially as there's a lot of useless white above and below the menus.
But then, I'm not a designer who imagines what the users do, I'm just
a user who does 🤷♂️
[…]
I just increase the magnification for this site - at 125% I don't see any
of the links across the top.
But then the whole site is bigger and some things may not fit on the page anymore
(orders…), or less nicely.
Exactly. Currently the website only reacts to 1250, 1200, 1100, 1000, 75, and
150 pixel widths, if my super sleepy self is reading the CSS correctly. The search
box for me is 42x40 pixels, but if I comment out the 100% width, then I get a
usable search area [though I have to horizontally scroll to get the rest of the
navbar to work]. With me more awake, I could probably get this to react as it
would at 1200 pixels across, and give me a larger search area, minus the 4 drop
down links.
If there was a bit of colour in the navbar, the menus wouldn't need to be
separated by so much white space.
If the dropdown symbol (V) was placed below the text, it'd save even more
space, especially as there's a lot of useless white above and below the menus.
But then, I'm not a designer who imagines what the users do, I'm just
a user who does 🤷♂️
The V symbol being next to the words [and All Items in search] actually does
make sense from a design standpoint- though it could go in front of the words,
but that's more of a preference. There is a *lot* of CSS that is not used
for the site - dark mode being a big one, plus animated announcements.
I think the biggest issue is that when logged in, or even when not, at 1240px
across, those menu items should live in the hamburger icon. The issue gets worse
as you go smaller - 1230 across you lose your shopping cart to horizontal scroll
[assuming one has a BL Store icon next to their avatar as that also takes up
about 40px of space]. Basically the rules on which the nav bar turns into the
more useful one [with a working search area], needs tweaked every so slightly.
When I have more time and an awake I am sure I can find the rule - it will be
something that requires changing 2 characters and that's it. That's why
I am surprised, 10 months later, we still don't have a search that works
on all browser widths.
If I had to guess, they bought this nav bar design from a design firm [since
it includes a LOT more features than are being used], and nobody at BL knows
how to alter it. If they did, they'd remove about 60% of the CSS text that
is not being used on the website, as that would speed up the loading of the site/each
page.
[…]
The V symbol being next to the words [and All Items in search] actually does
make sense from a design standpoint- though it could go in front of the words,
but that's more of a preference.
I was just thinking of something like in the pic below.
That's still close enough to the standard. It's a simple (and, IMHO,
elegant) solution as they insist on using long and full words on one line (“BrickLink
Designer Program”) and not icons or colours.
[…]
When I have more time and an awake I am sure I can find the rule - it will be
something that requires changing 2 characters and that's it. That's why
I am surprised, 10 months later, we still don't have a search that works
on all browser widths.
There's quite a few “two characters, 5 min tasks” that could be done and
never are.
(For instance, remove/comment the “Share WL Feature Coming Soon!” that's
been there for 8 years in Wanted Lists' setting dialog. Or apply your default
sorting order to your WL, the one that's pre-selected in the dropdown, not
a default one. Etc.)
If I had to guess, they bought this nav bar design from a design firm [since
it includes a LOT more features than are being used], and nobody at BL knows
how to alter it. If they did, they'd remove about 60% of the CSS text that
is not being used on the website, as that would speed up the loading of the site/each
page.
1. They are using some tools and graphic editors, not editing the CSS “by hand.”
2. BL pages are a hodgepodge of different versions and tools. “Big ball of mud,”
“spaghetti code,” and that kind of niceties.
3. Hopefully, all that will be cleaned up when the “replatforming” that the navbar
and account integration are only parts of is done.
[…]
I just increase the magnification for this site - at 125% I don't see any
of the links across the top.
But then the whole site is bigger and some things may not fit on the page anymore
(orders…), or less nicely.
Exactly. Currently the website only reacts to 1250, 1200, 1100, 1000, 75, and
150 pixel widths, if my super sleepy self is reading the CSS correctly. The search
box for me is 42x40 pixels, but if I comment out the 100% width, then I get a
usable search area [though I have to horizontally scroll to get the rest of the
navbar to work]. With me more awake, I could probably get this to react as it
would at 1200 pixels across, and give me a larger search area, minus the 4 drop
down links.
This would be a great addition to the Unbricked extension. Would you be able
to submit a PR to fix the CSS?
I've never heard of unbricked before - a UserScript? Aaaah, just looked at
the code - it makes me younger - I already like it. Starred & Followed! I'll
have to do some looking through the CSS to find the exact spot. I'm currently
experiencing heavy brain fog from [for the first time] developing Covid at the
end of August, so I'm moving in a bit of slow motion lately, but I will find
this, as it seems BL doesn't want to fix the issue.
I've never heard of unbricked before - a UserScript? Aaaah, just looked at
the code - it makes me younger - I already like it. Starred & Followed! I'll
have to do some looking through the CSS to find the exact spot. I'm currently
experiencing heavy brain fog from [for the first time] developing Covid at the
end of August, so I'm moving in a bit of slow motion lately, but I will find
this, as it seems BL doesn't want to fix the issue.
Thanks for looking into this issue! If you aren't able to submit the PR yourself,
I can try to fix it. Let me know if you find the exact change that needs to be
made. I was thinking that increasing the 1240px threshold by a bit should be
enough to make the search bar usable, although you'd then be stuck with the
mobile version. I should probably just redo the entire menu bar at some point.
There are some differences, Windows has another layout and slighty better in
my opinion.
The bar on top of my chromebook is way too large, this is the laptop i pack my
order.
The navigation bar does not appear on the Order Detail page (Thank goodness!)
so I am still able to pack and pull orders from my tablet as before albeit with
4 extra steps of navigation. It is a constant problem on the Orders Received
page.
Ther is less space for the checkboxes and the bar always moves down.
For me this update is plain horror.
Yes. Me too.
I can try and help you with a very simple browser add-on that will make the navigation
bar not stay on the screen at all times. I know it works on Chrome. Not positive
if it's the same on a Chromebook.
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