Beginning January 1, 2025, online platforms like BrickLink must:
• Collect and remit VAT on all orders shipped into Switzerland from outside of
Switzerland and on those shipped within the country;
• Collect and remit VAT on seller fees for all Swiss sellers.
The BrickLink team needs a bit more time prepare to fully meet these requirements.
For now, we will keep our marketplace operations in Switzerland unchanged
and process orders and fees without extra charges.
BrickLink will implement normal VAT collection for Switzerland in the future.
We will provide members with more details before this happens.
More news about tax legislation is coming in from Switzerland.
More taxes: more work, less orders. O Brave New World!
Same taxes: more work for platforms, less work for CH sellers and buyers,
less fees for buyers.
Seems Switzerland is catching up to other European countries (Norway shot first!)
but a bit in a rushed way (draft in July, application in January, while it took
EU years to set things up: law voted in 2017, applied in 2021, and still with
kinks).
More news about tax legislation is coming in from Switzerland.
More taxes: more work, less orders. O Brave New World!
Same taxes: more work for platforms, less work for CH sellers and buyers,
less fees for buyers.
Can you believe all shipment taxes were actually collected? Now they'll be.
And if it's a system like the NO VOEC, then I'll have to remove Switzerland
also from regular shipments.
You can't transmit anything electronically "on a simple stamp".
That means an increase of 500% of the minimum shipping price.
Plus the problems of double collection, sellers fault or not.
With BrickLink which doesn't refund as it, as it should be iirc?
[…]
Can you believe all shipment taxes were actually collected? Now they'll be.
No, I don’t believe that. But I don’t consider it an increase of taxation when
one can’t fly under the radar to escape due taxes anymore.
Level playing field.
[…]
Plus the problems of double collection, sellers fault or not.
With BrickLink which doesn't refund as it, as it should be iirc?
Yes, that’s still a problem. And it doesn’t seem anyone who can do something
about it really cares (BL, customs…).
One can hope I still dream of having ic on bricklink but alas we dont
It’s your own fault: you just need to write a law to make BL collect Canadian
taxes!
*starts life long carrier in government to bring that to law*
*realizes I’m sitting in bed at almost 1 pm on a Friday talking on bricklink
and that ain’t gunna happen*
Oh they didn't???
😭
One can't trust pizza fans I tell you!
It’s the mustard gang who caused the interference!
*starts life long carrier in government to bring that to law*
*realizes I’m sitting in bed at almost 1 pm on a Friday talking on bricklink
and that ain’t gunna happen*
Government work is probably more "profitable" than running a Bricklink
store, depending on who will grease your palms.
*starts life long carrier in government to bring that to law*
*realizes I’m sitting in bed at almost 1 pm on a Friday talking on bricklink
and that ain’t gunna happen*
Government work is probably more "profitable" than running a Bricklink
store, depending on who will grease your palms.
I am quite confused: according swiss VAT law, you don't need to pay VAT,
if your yearly turnover is less than 100'000 CHF.
So I understand right, that bricklink now collects VAT for all orders? And what
haopens with that money you collect, if my turnover is less than 100'000?
I am quite confused: according swiss VAT law, you don't need to pay VAT,
if your yearly turnover is less than 100'000 CHF.
So I understand right, that bricklink now collects VAT for all orders? And what
haopens with that money you collect, if my turnover is less than 100'000?
That needs clarification please
No, that means sellers exporting (from outside Switzerland) to Switzerland (importing)
will automatically charge the Swiss VAT rate to buyers.
I am quite confused: according swiss VAT law, you don't need to pay VAT,
if your yearly turnover is less than 100'000 CHF.
You’re reading (or using) that part wrong, and it’s actually the other way around.
The law is that if you are a seller in CH, you don’t need to COLLECT VAT if your
turnover is below CHF 100,000.
And if you do collect VAT from your buyers, that means you’re deducting (or not
paying) VAT on your supplies. So the Swiss VAT law actually says that you don’t
pay VAT if your yearly turnover is MORE than CHF 100,000.
As for buyers, they always pay VAT one way or another:
— directly to a VAT-registered seller,
— indirectly to non VAT-registered seller (because that seller paid VAT and can’t
deduct it),
— at reception on imports.
The page linked by Anastasia is sparse on the new law but my guess is that it
will work this way:
Transactions:
— BL will collect VAT for CH VAT-registered sellers,
— BL will collect VAT for imports,
— it’s not clear if BL will have to collect VAT for CH non registred sellers.
Fees:
— BL will collect VAT on their 1-3% fees.
i am a non-VAT registered seller and therefore BL don't have (and hopefully
wont) collect VAT on sales I do over bricklink, what I understood so far from
the law text.
Bit confused, why you write "it's not clear": I just read the announcement
on the biggest swiss online auction platform (www.ricardo.ch), it's a market
place like ebay. They clearly write, that if a seller is not VAT-registered,
they don't have to collect VAT.
Hope that bricklink will also confirm this.
Btw, is this the "offical" thread about, or will this announced somewhere
else, as soon everythings is clear for Bricklink, how to fullfill the new law
from 1.1.25?
i am a non-VAT registered seller and therefore BL don't have (and hopefully
wont) collect VAT on sales I do over bricklink, what I understood so far from
the law text.
I hope that’s the case too.
Bit confused, why you write "it's not clear":
Because I only read the page Anastasia linked to and didn’t (quickly) find any
link to a longer / more complete official text.
[…]
Btw, is this the "offical" thread about, or will this announced somewhere
else, as soon everythings is clear for Bricklink, how to fullfill the new law
from 1.1.25?
Well, for the moment, it’s the only thread about it 😅
Thank you for your message. I can confirm your point about Ricardo. Bricklink
will indeed need to comply with the same laws.
The legal article provides clear guidance:
Art. 20a of the VAT Act
[...]
In addition, the transitional provision of Art. 115b para. 2 of the VAT Act
must be observed. According to this provision, the tax liability for suppliers
in accordance with Art. 20a of the VAT Act which supply goods to domestic territory
that are exempt from import tax due to the small amount of tax (small consignments)
begins when the amendment comes into force on 1 January 2025 if
-they have generated a turnover of at least CHF 100,000 from the delivery
of small consignments in the previous 12 months; and
-it is to be expected that they will carry out such deliveries also in the 12
months after this change came into force.
[...]
As a seller, this change doesn’t concern me much. However, as a buyer, I’m pleased
if Bricklink collects VAT directly—similar to how Amazon has done since 2018—so
I can avoid paying VAT collection fees to Swiss Post, DHL, or similar services.
Cheers from Zürich!
Thomas
In Administrative, reni3008 writes:
Thanks for the explanation.
i am a non-VAT registered seller and therefore BL don't have (and hopefully
wont) collect VAT on sales I do over bricklink, what I understood so far from
the law text.
Bit confused, why you write "it's not clear": I just read the announcement
on the biggest swiss online auction platform (www.ricardo.ch), it's a market
place like ebay. They clearly write, that if a seller is not VAT-registered,
they don't have to collect VAT.
Hope that bricklink will also confirm this.
Btw, is this the "offical" thread about, or will this announced somewhere
else, as soon everythings is clear for Bricklink, how to fullfill the new law
from 1.1.25?
It's all very well collecting VAT but NOTHING is being done by Royal Mail
(for instance) to allow electronic collection of data so these items pass through
customs without the buyer having to pay VAT AGAIN. I sent something to Norway
which requires a VOEC number, however it is only passed electronically where
there is an INTEGRATION between the marketplace and Royal Mail. Perhaps BRICKLINK
should investigate such integrations in order to protect it's members from
paying VAT etc. TWICE rather than tinkering with things like the 'ribbon'
which now makes the site harder to navigate for all users.
Beginning January 1, 2025, online platforms like BrickLink must:
• Collect and remit VAT on all orders shipped into Switzerland from outside of
Switzerland and on those shipped within the country;
• Collect and remit VAT on seller fees for all Swiss sellers.
The BrickLink team needs a bit more time prepare to fully meet these requirements.
For now, we will keep our marketplace operations in Switzerland unchanged
and process orders and fees without extra charges.
BrickLink will implement normal VAT collection for Switzerland in the future.
We will provide members with more details before this happens.
It's all very well collecting VAT but NOTHING is being done by Royal Mail
So it's NOT to BrickLink to do anything, it's not their fault here.
Simply refuse orders from Norway (exclude them from Shipping Methods).
Same here, I can't transmit electronically a VOEC "in a stamp", so
I'm to remove those shipping methods to Norway.
Nothing BrickLink can do.
(for instance) to allow electronic collection of data so these items pass through
customs without the buyer having to pay VAT AGAIN. I sent something to Norway
which requires a VOEC number, however it is only passed electronically where
there is an INTEGRATION between the marketplace and Royal Mail. Perhaps BRICKLINK
should investigate such integrations in order to protect it's members from
paying VAT etc. TWICE rather than tinkering with things like the 'ribbon'
which now makes the site harder to navigate for all users.
Beginning January 1, 2025, online platforms like BrickLink must:
• Collect and remit VAT on all orders shipped into Switzerland from outside of
Switzerland and on those shipped within the country;
• Collect and remit VAT on seller fees for all Swiss sellers.
The BrickLink team needs a bit more time prepare to fully meet these requirements.
For now, we will keep our marketplace operations in Switzerland unchanged
and process orders and fees without extra charges.
BrickLink will implement normal VAT collection for Switzerland in the future.
We will provide members with more details before this happens.
USA, California
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Canada, Ontario
I still dream of having ic on bricklink but alas we dont
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