Unfortunately, we’ve had to make the difficult decision to stop BrickLink operations
in mainland China. Due to required compliance with Chinese legislation, we will
delete all BrickLink member accounts based in mainland China on September 30th,
2024.
To be compliant with the Personal Information Protection Law of the People's
Republic of China (PIPL), all personal information generated in mainland China
must be held within mainland China. Since BrickLink doesn’t have a separate platform
based in China, we can’t comply with this data privacy requirement.
Buying and selling privileges for these members will be revoked on August 1st,
2024. Affected members were informed about this change earlier today.
Unfortunately, we’ve had to make the difficult decision to stop BrickLink operations
in mainland China. Due to required compliance with Chinese legislation, we will
delete all BrickLink member accounts based in mainland China on September 30th,
2024.
To be compliant with the Personal Information Protection Law of the People's
Republic of China (PIPL), all personal information generated in mainland China
must be held within mainland China. Since BrickLink doesn’t have a separate platform
based in China, we can’t comply with this data privacy requirement.
Buying and selling privileges for these members will be revoked on August 1st,
2024. Affected members were informed about this change earlier today.
I'm just speechless with this news... so sad of this being the only possible
solution...
Will the account data be sent to each member in a zip file to their emails like
when accounts were deleted in the past? So if Bricklink finds a way to operate
there in the future people will be able to recover their account if they want?
Unfortunately, we’ve had to make the difficult decision to stop BrickLink operations
in mainland China. Due to required compliance with Chinese legislation, we will
delete all BrickLink member accounts based in mainland China on September 30th,
2024.
To be compliant with the Personal Information Protection Law of the People's
Republic of China (PIPL), all personal information generated in mainland China
must be held within mainland China. Since BrickLink doesn’t have a separate platform
based in China, we can’t comply with this data privacy requirement.
Buying and selling privileges for these members will be revoked on August 1st,
2024. Affected members were informed about this change earlier today.
I'm just speechless with this news... so sad of this being the only possible
solution...
Will the account data be sent to each member in a zip file to their emails like
when accounts were deleted in the past? So if Bricklink finds a way to operate
there in the future people will be able to recover their account if they want?
Well, they will be able to use their LEGO® Accounts on BrickLink, ... someday
...
Unfortunately, we’ve had to make the difficult decision to stop BrickLink operations
in mainland China. Due to required compliance with Chinese legislation, we will
delete all BrickLink member accounts based in mainland China on September 30th,
2024.
To be compliant with the Personal Information Protection Law of the People's
Republic of China (PIPL), all personal information generated in mainland China
must be held within mainland China. Since BrickLink doesn’t have a separate platform
based in China, we can’t comply with this data privacy requirement.
Buying and selling privileges for these members will be revoked on August 1st,
2024. Affected members were informed about this change earlier today.
I'm just speechless with this news... so sad of this being the only possible
solution...
Will the account data be sent to each member in a zip file to their emails like
when accounts were deleted in the past? So if Bricklink finds a way to operate
there in the future people will be able to recover their account if they want?
Well, they will be able to use their LEGO® Accounts on BrickLink, ... someday
...
No.Lego China use a different Account system in mainland china, it is not on
website but on weixin, taobao, tianmao.
Unfortunately, we’ve had to make the difficult decision to stop BrickLink operations
in mainland China. Due to required compliance with Chinese legislation, we will
delete all BrickLink member accounts based in mainland China on September 30th,
2024.
To be compliant with the Personal Information Protection Law of the People's
Republic of China (PIPL), all personal information generated in mainland China
must be held within mainland China. Since BrickLink doesn’t have a separate platform
based in China, we can’t comply with this data privacy requirement.
Buying and selling privileges for these members will be revoked on August 1st,
2024. Affected members were informed about this change earlier today.
I'm just speechless with this news... so sad of this being the only possible
solution...
Will the account data be sent to each member in a zip file to their emails like
when accounts were deleted in the past? So if Bricklink finds a way to operate
there in the future people will be able to recover their account if they want?
Well, they will be able to use their LEGO® Accounts on BrickLink, ... someday
...
No.Lego China use a different Account system in mainland china, it is not on
website but on weixin, taobao, tianmao.
THen transfer Chinese Bricklink user accounts over to the same platform as LEGO.com?
And what about the orders? And what about catalogue contributions?
This is a big marketplace issue. When I got orders from China, they were large
and valuable, probably to resell locally. And even for those who didn't
sell to China, their competitors did. The Chinese market has been a part of
the volume and the pricing of items, so I know Bricklink and LEGO didn't
take this decision lightly.
This is not a big catalog issue. I'm not aware of any mainland China contributors
to catalog or inventories.
And what about the orders? And what about catalogue contributions?
This is a big marketplace issue. When I got orders from China, they were large
and valuable, probably to resell locally. And even for those who didn't
sell to China, their competitors did. The Chinese market has been a part of
the volume and the pricing of items, so I know Bricklink and LEGO didn't
take this decision lightly.
This is not a big catalog issue. I'm not aware of any mainland China contributors
to catalog or inventories.
Sad but the leadership of China has been asking for this for years.
THen transfer Chinese Bricklink user accounts over to the same platform as LEGO.com?
BrickLink is a separate platform from LEGO.com. User data can't be transferred
between them and LEGO.com accounts can't be used on BrickLink at this time.
I'm just speechless with this news... so sad of this being the only possible
solution...
Will the account data be sent to each member in a zip file to their emails like
when accounts were deleted in the past? So if Bricklink finds a way to operate
there in the future people will be able to recover their account if they want?
Members will be able to download store inventory and Wanted List data from their
accounts before they are deleted, but we won't be providing .zip files containing
all the account data.
We don't expect to operate again in mainland China in the near future and
because BrickLink will be undergoing replatforming, any saved account data may
be incompatible with the updated site.
Buying and selling privileges for these members will be revoked on August 1st,
2024. Affected members were informed about this change earlier today.
We're just losing in a snap potentially 1.5 Billion people, or 20%
of Human beings.
Buyers, sellers, some in Forum with probably a majority reading and a few posting.
We've seen recent changes / enforcements in tax applications, import, export,
sales taxes, OSS, affecting many places - plus crazy increases in shipping rates
(USPS?), and more documents and data...
So? At one moment people can't, they give up.
The effect is that every continent, country, region progressively sees the World,
their world, shrinking down to a local market.
It's the absolute opposite of what both modernity, globalization and Internet
were promising.
So? At one moment people can't, they give up.
The effect is that every continent, country, region progressively sees the World,
their world, shrinking down to a local market.
It's the absolute opposite of what both modernity, globalization and Internet
were promising.
SAD day.
It is crazy.
We do things this way, you must follow our rules.
No. We do it this way, and you must follow our rules.
Buying and selling privileges for these members will be revoked on August 1st,
2024. Affected members were informed about this change earlier today.
We're just losing in a snap potentially 1.5 Billion people, or 20%
of Human beings.
Buyers, sellers, some in Forum with probably a majority reading and a few posting.
W
LOL ... there's less members from China than from tiny Belgium on this platform
...
I think you grossly overestimate the general interest of that region in genuine
products like Lego
But for the active Chinese members involved it is a shame indeed.
China being over protective of personal data ... now I have heard EVERYTHING
Funniest thing I've read all week.
Also, How is that a shame on chinese buyers and sellers?
Removal of accounts for ACTIVE Chinese buyers and sellers is a shame for them,
as they will no longer be able to use Bricklink. Although if the LEGO secondary
market is strong in China, no doubt a Chinese based replicant will come along.
China being over protective of personal data ... now I have heard EVERYTHING
Funniest thing I've read all week.
Whether it is funny depends on how you look at it. Does the Chinese government
want to protect the data of its citizens by ensuring that it is only stored and
processed within China, or does the Chinese government want to know what its
citizens are doing, hence wanting the data stored in China so it can put pressure
on the companies holding the data so they can see it.
Of course, other regions might look at the EU or UK regulations about storage
and processing of personal data and think along similar lines, especially as
companies storing and processing data outside of those regions must have a GDPR
representative inside the region. So it is different in that the data can be
stored outside but they still need some representation inside. Presumably for
different (compliance) reasons rather than spying, but still.
I imagine a lot of external companies will have to stop operating in China because
of this, unless they set up a Chinese based sister-company.
China being over protective of personal data ... now I have heard EVERYTHING
Funniest thing I've read all week.
Whether it is funny depends on how you look at it. Does the Chinese government
want to protect the data of its citizens by ensuring that it is only stored and
processed within China, or does the Chinese government want to know what its
citizens are doing, hence wanting the data stored in China so it can put pressure
on the companies holding the data so they can see it.
Of course, other regions might look at the EU or UK regulations about storage
and processing of personal data and think along similar lines, especially as
companies storing and processing data outside of those regions must have a GDPR
representative inside the region. So it is different in that the data can be
stored outside but they still need some representation inside. Presumably for
different (compliance) reasons rather than spying, but still.
I imagine a lot of external companies will have to stop operating in China because
of this, unless they set up a Chinese based sister-company.
I can't imagine a legit reason that take precedent over spying. The answer
is always spying. It's what that government does.
I don't know about the EU but we are getting a massive influx of Chinese
Nationals. I'm originally from California, and grew up with around Chinese
culture and immigrants since the 80's. They all say the same things, now
40 years on.
I view bricklink pulling out as a good move. China steals IP. Period.
China being over protective of personal data ... now I have heard EVERYTHING
Funniest thing I've read all week.
Whether it is funny depends on how you look at it. Does the Chinese government
want to protect the data of its citizens by ensuring that it is only stored and
processed within China, or does the Chinese government want to know what its
citizens are doing, hence wanting the data stored in China so it can put pressure
on the companies holding the data so they can see it.
Of course, other regions might look at the EU or UK regulations about storage
and processing of personal data and think along similar lines, especially as
companies storing and processing data outside of those regions must have a GDPR
representative inside the region. So it is different in that the data can be
stored outside but they still need some representation inside. Presumably for
different (compliance) reasons rather than spying, but still.
I imagine a lot of external companies will have to stop operating in China because
of this, unless they set up a Chinese based sister-company.
I can't imagine a legit reason that take precedent over spying. The answer
is always spying. It's what that government does.
I don't know about the EU but we are getting a massive influx of Chinese
Nationals. I'm originally from California, and grew up with around Chinese
culture and immigrants since the 80's. They all say the same things, now
40 years on.
I view bricklink pulling out as a good move. China steals IP. Period.
We're just losing in a snap potentially 1.5 Billion people, or 20%
of Human beings.
Buyers, sellers, some in Forum with probably a majority reading and a few posting.
No.I think this only affect to China mainland, not including Hongkong SAR, Macau
SAR and Taiwan.
中华人民共和国个人信息保护法不在香港特别区，澳门特别行政区和台湾地区发生效力。
（2021年8月20日第十三届全国人民代表大会常务委员会第三十次会议通过）
The Personal Information Protection Law of the People's Republic of China
does not effect in the Hong Kong SAR, the macau SAR and the Taiwan Region.
It's not their decision; they're obliged to.
Fines are heavy.
Can BL get 'fined' from China? I mean if some foreign company sends me
a fine for something that's perfectly legal to do in my country, I'd
return that letter to sender with a very blue letter telling them where to go...
If BL says they have no internal rules or regs to deny people service to this
site solely based on where that person lives and allows people living in China
to use this site, then I can't see how China can fine BL directly. At best,
china could send letters to the person living in China that uses BL...
China can (and probably would) block BL so ppl living there couldn't access
it, but I don't see how BL would legally get fined...
It's not their decision; they're obliged to.
Fines are heavy.
Can BL get 'fined' from China? I mean if some foreign company sends me
a fine for something that's perfectly legal to do in my country, I'd
return that letter to sender with a very blue letter telling them where to go...
If BL says they have no internal rules or regs to deny people service to this
site solely based on where that person lives and allows people living in China
to use this site, then I can't see how China can fine BL directly. At best,
china could send letters to the person living in China that uses BL...
China can (and probably would) block BL so ppl living there couldn't access
it, but I don't see how BL would legally get fined...
They could fine TLG which likes to do business in China
It's not their decision; they're obliged to.
Fines are heavy.
Can BL get 'fined' from China? I mean if some foreign company sends me
a fine for something that's perfectly legal to do in my country, I'd
return that letter to sender with a very blue letter telling them where to go...
If BL says they have no internal rules or regs to deny people service to this
site solely based on where that person lives and allows people living in China
to use this site, then I can't see how China can fine BL directly. At best,
china could send letters to the person living in China that uses BL...
China can (and probably would) block BL so ppl living there couldn't access
it, but I don't see how BL would legally get fined...
They could fine TLG which likes to do business in China
That part I keep forgetting... even though I shouldn't... I take all that
back. TLC needs to maintain ties with china... and it's too bab in this specific
instance that BL is now owned by them cause I would have loved a good old fashioned
nose thumbing...
Of course not.
But for poisoning people with Mac Do and sodas, for sure yes!
My godson didn't enjoy French McDonald's because apparently they use
local stinky French cheese instead of good old American cheese on their hamburgers.
Of course not.
But for poisoning people with Mac Do and sodas, for sure yes!
My godson didn't enjoy French McDonald's because apparently they use
local stinky French cheese instead of good old American cheese on their hamburgers.
(I don’t eat there and I didn’t check but I’m going to comment anyway )
I think they do have “french-ized” recipes but the “standard” burgers use “cheddar-like”
cheese. Cheddar is not French. So it’s not our fault
(Note all the scary quotes. Also, real cheddar is a good cheese.)
Of course not.
But for poisoning people with Mac Do and sodas, for sure yes!
My godson didn't enjoy French McDonald's because apparently they use
local stinky French cheese instead of good old American cheese on their hamburgers.
(I don’t eat there and I didn’t check but I’m going to comment anyway )
I think they do have “french-ized” recipes but the “standard” burgers use “cheddar-like”
cheese. Cheddar is not French. So it’s not our fault
(Note all the scary quotes. Also, real cheddar is a good cheese.)
Of course not.
But for poisoning people with Mac Do and sodas, for sure yes!
My godson didn't enjoy French McDonald's because apparently they use
local stinky French cheese instead of good old American cheese on their hamburgers.
(I don’t eat there and I didn’t check but I’m going to comment anyway )
I think they do have “french-ized” recipes but the “standard” burgers use “cheddar-like”
cheese. Cheddar is not French. So it’s not our fault
(Note all the scary quotes. Also, real cheddar is a good cheese.)
Of course not.
But for poisoning people with Mac Do and sodas, for sure yes!
My godson didn't enjoy French McDonald's because apparently they use
local stinky French cheese instead of good old American cheese on their hamburgers.
Bricklink don't tend to remove comments (at least not very fast), that is
the job of the moderators, who are not bricklink employees.
Posting political views is against the terms of using the forum, so doing so
will get your post removed. Similarly repeating other people's posts that
discuss politics in them will get the post removed.
Unfortunately, we’ve had to make the difficult decision to stop BrickLink operations
in mainland China. Due to required compliance with Chinese legislation, we will
delete all BrickLink member accounts based in mainland China on September 30th,
2024.
To be compliant with the Personal Information Protection Law of the People's
Republic of China (PIPL), all personal information generated in mainland China
must be held within mainland China. Since BrickLink doesn’t have a separate platform
based in China, we can’t comply with this data privacy requirement.
Buying and selling privileges for these members will be revoked on August 1st,
2024. Affected members were informed about this change earlier today.
Because what China wants to do is more extreme than GDPR. Under GDPR, you can
still operate your business in your own country if you sell into the EU. For
these Chinese rules, the main marketplace has to be based in China and it looks
like data about Chinese users cannot be sent to an email account if hosted outside
of China.
It is legally possible, but need many changes to china mainland version.It costs
a lot. But I don't think any large international markets had done this before.
It is legally possible, but need many changes to china mainland version.It costs
a lot. But I don't think any large international markets had done this before.
It would still be an issue for sellers if they sell to China. They would need
to hold all the data about their Chinese buyers on systems inside China. That
would mean that order details could not be sent via email unless the seller also
had a China based email account. Many sellers also buy postage online and must
give recipient data online to complete this. This data is processed and then
held by the postal company, even after delivery. So unless the postal system
are based in China, that data is also stored outside of China. International
sellers would have to stop selling to China.
I think BL has probably done the right thing, just removing the ability for its
site to be used within China. No doubt Chinese buyers will continue using it,
with accounts based outside China and use forwarding companies to redirect their
purchases. A number already do this to get around sellers not shipping to China.
It is legally possible, but need many changes to china mainland version.It costs
a lot. But I don't think any large international markets had done this before.
It would still be an issue for sellers if they sell to China. They would need
to hold all the data about their Chinese buyers on systems inside China. That
would mean that order details could not be sent via email unless the seller also
had a China based email account. Many sellers also buy postage online and must
give recipient data online to complete this. This data is processed and then
held by the postal company, even after delivery. So unless the postal system
are based in China, that data is also stored outside of China. International
sellers would have to stop selling to China.
I think BL has probably done the right thing, just removing the ability for its
site to be used within China. No doubt Chinese buyers will continue using it,
with accounts based outside China and use forwarding companies to redirect their
purchases. A number already do this to get around sellers not shipping to China.
As far as the announcement says, it seems the site would be usable as a not logged
in user. And probably without cookies too?
As far as the announcement says, it seems the site would be usable as a not logged
in user. And probably without cookies too?
Yes, you are right. I meant used as a marketplace. It should of course still
be accessible as a reference just without any personalised options for buying,
selling or logging collections, or making contributions.
It is not 100% necessary, like lego missing or broken bricks.LEGO CHINA can share
these data to LEGO headquarter in Denmark and express services outside of china
mainland.
But not all have the ability to use forwarding companies.
It is not 100% necessary, like lego missing or broken bricks.LEGO CHINA can share
these data to LEGO headquarter in Denmark and express services outside of china
mainland.
But not all have the ability to use forwarding companies. […]
One big difference between BL and LEGO is that LEGO is one company while BL is
thousands of sellers all over the world.
LEGO can contain (limit) Chinese data to China or can give assurances the data
will be handled correctly if it’s “leaked” outside China.
BL can not.
It is not 100% necessary, like lego missing or broken bricks.LEGO CHINA can share
these data to LEGO headquarter in Denmark and express services outside of china
mainland.
But not all have the ability to use forwarding companies.
There is no way I can send a parcel to a buyer in China without (1) processing
their data in the UK and (2) storing their data in the UK. I would also (3) normally
use their data online to obtain a parcel label.
Individual international sellers are not going to set up companies based in China,
or even use Chinese email addresses for orders. Even if BL were to move some
operations to China for the storage of Chinese buyers' data, those buyers
would still not be able to buy from international companies unless they also
moved their individual operations to China.
Yes. That's why I said somewhere else this is impossible. Because there will
also be potential problems about Law of the People's Republic of China on
the Protection of Consumer Rights and Interests.
It is not 100% necessary, like lego missing or broken bricks.LEGO CHINA can share
these data to LEGO headquarter in Denmark and express services outside of china
mainland.
But not all have the ability to use forwarding companies.
There is no way I can send a parcel to a buyer in China without (1) processing
their data in the UK and (2) storing their data in the UK. I would also (3) normally
use their data online to obtain a parcel label.
Individual international sellers are not going to set up companies based in China,
or even use Chinese email addresses for orders. Even if BL were to move some
operations to China for the storage of Chinese buyers' data, those buyers
would still not be able to buy from international companies unless they also
moved their individual operations to China.
One possible plan then for all kind of marketplaces that want to still sell to
China would be opening a subsidiary there that acts as a shipping forwarder,
sellers would get the order the same as any other but with the shipping details
of the forwarding service. The servers and buying interface of the marketplace
for china would be just for that region.
One possible plan then for all kind of marketplaces that want to still sell to
China would be opening a subsidiary there that acts as a shipping forwarder,
sellers would get the order the same as any other but with the shipping details
of the forwarding service. The servers and buying interface of the marketplace
for china would be just for that region.
But then there are the extra costs of that, and would sellers want to ship to
a third party company in another country. At least tracked postage to a forwarding
service in the same country is reasonably cheap and straightforward. Having to
post to a company in another country that will then redistribute the received
packages is not attractive for the seller.
Plus it would only take one other country to take similar action to China to
break it. What happens when one country won't allow the seller's details
to be stored in another country while the other country won't allow the buyer's
details to be processed and stored. Intermediaries will be rubbing their hands.
Unfortunately, we’ve had to make the difficult decision to stop BrickLink operations
in mainland China. Due to required compliance with Chinese legislation, we will
delete all BrickLink member accounts based in mainland China on September 30th,
2024.
A somewhat slightly related comment about this ... Over the winter months, I
placed a number of orders involving electronics parts from a China based distributor
(LCSC). Towards the end, I noticed that they were opening a new warehouse in
HK. The new HK warehouse would not be able to supply to CN customers, only to
HK and beyond. At this time, I have not looked to see if external customers are
still allowed to order from the CN-internal warehouses.
It almost feels like all internal CN orders have to transit via HK now.
I've noticed something similar for electronic components on aliexpress. Quite
few stores now ship from HK, Singapore or Malaysia.
The rest of that story is try to buy small volumes of inexpensive electronic
parts, via eBay, with Free Shipping from CN. Invariably, they will be entered
from a country other than CN (e.g. Tuvalu, Kyrgyzstan, etc). The part of that
story that I can deduce is, CN is no longer a LDC group 4 country, but TV and
KG are LDC group 4, and as such get preferential treatment by the UPU. By trans-shipping
/ remote entry, they actually are slowing down the delivery of the order (and
causing your LDC group 1 country's post office to support the shipment).
USA, California
Spain, Comunidad Valenciana
Slovenia
Hong Kong SAR China
France, Nouvelle-Aquitaine
Canada, Ontario
Portugal
United Kingdom, England
Belgium, Brussels
Netherlands, Zuid-Holland
.
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