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 Author: Andrsv View Messages Posted By Andrsv
 Posted: Feb 29, 2024 14:03
 Subject: Does all headgear have lego logo?
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Andrsv (2840)

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I sold a ninjago headgear to a customer, and he claims it is not lego as it didnt
have a lego logo. The headgear was used, so there might be a chance that a non
lego part has been mixed in.

Does anyone know if there exist copies of 98133PB04 ? Should the original have
a lego logo? And in case it doesnt have a lego logo, how can we distinguish a
fake vs a real?
 Author: jennnifer View Messages Posted By jennnifer
 Posted: Feb 29, 2024 14:20
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In Catalog, Andrsv writes:
  I sold a ninjago headgear to a customer, and he claims it is not lego as it didnt
have a lego logo. The headgear was used, so there might be a chance that a non
lego part has been mixed in.

Does anyone know if there exist copies of 98133PB04 ? Should the original have
a lego logo? And in case it doesnt have a lego logo, how can we distinguish a
fake vs a real?

 
Part No: 98133PB04  Name: Minifigure, Headgear Ninjago Wrap with Red Energy Pattern
* 
98133pb04 Minifigure, Headgear Ninjago Wrap with Red Energy Pattern
Parts: Minifigure, Headgear

We distinguish by the other indicators like plastic quality, print quality, and
other mold and sprue marks.

I can try and check this part later today if I can find it.

~Jen
 Author: jennnifer View Messages Posted By jennnifer
 Posted: Feb 29, 2024 14:23
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In Catalog, jennnifer writes:
  In Catalog, Andrsv writes:
  I sold a ninjago headgear to a customer, and he claims it is not lego as it didnt
have a lego logo. The headgear was used, so there might be a chance that a non
lego part has been mixed in.

Does anyone know if there exist copies of 98133PB04 ? Should the original have
a lego logo? And in case it doesnt have a lego logo, how can we distinguish a
fake vs a real?

 
Part No: 98133PB04  Name: Minifigure, Headgear Ninjago Wrap with Red Energy Pattern
* 
98133pb04 Minifigure, Headgear Ninjago Wrap with Red Energy Pattern
Parts: Minifigure, Headgear

We distinguish by the other indicators like plastic quality, print quality, and
other mold and sprue marks.

I can try and check this part later today if I can find it.

~Jen

I just checked
 
Part No: 98133pb01  Name: Minifigure, Headgear Ninjago Wrap with Gold 3 Point Emblem Pattern
* 
98133pb01 Minifigure, Headgear Ninjago Wrap with Gold 3 Point Emblem Pattern
Parts: Minifigure, Headgear
in White and Red and they both have the LEGO logo and number in
micro printing around the inside of the stud.
 Author: Andrsv View Messages Posted By Andrsv
 Posted: Feb 29, 2024 17:47
 Subject: Re: Does all headgear have lego logo?
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Andrsv (2840)

Location:  Norway, Rogaland
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In Catalog, jennnifer writes:
  In Catalog, jennnifer writes:
  In Catalog, Andrsv writes:
  I sold a ninjago headgear to a customer, and he claims it is not lego as it didnt
have a lego logo. The headgear was used, so there might be a chance that a non
lego part has been mixed in.

Does anyone know if there exist copies of 98133PB04 ? Should the original have
a lego logo? And in case it doesnt have a lego logo, how can we distinguish a
fake vs a real?

 
Part No: 98133PB04  Name: Minifigure, Headgear Ninjago Wrap with Red Energy Pattern
* 
98133pb04 Minifigure, Headgear Ninjago Wrap with Red Energy Pattern
Parts: Minifigure, Headgear

We distinguish by the other indicators like plastic quality, print quality, and
other mold and sprue marks.

I can try and check this part later today if I can find it.

~Jen

I just checked
 
Part No: 98133pb01  Name: Minifigure, Headgear Ninjago Wrap with Gold 3 Point Emblem Pattern
* 
98133pb01 Minifigure, Headgear Ninjago Wrap with Gold 3 Point Emblem Pattern
Parts: Minifigure, Headgear
in White and Red and they both have the LEGO logo and number in
micro printing around the inside of the stud.

Thanks i Will send a refund to my customer
 Author: helge View Messages Posted By helge
 Posted: Feb 29, 2024 18:22
 Subject: Re: Does all headgear have lego logo?
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helge (23986)

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I just checked
 
Part No: 98133pb01  Name: Minifigure, Headgear Ninjago Wrap with Gold 3 Point Emblem Pattern
* 
98133pb01 Minifigure, Headgear Ninjago Wrap with Gold 3 Point Emblem Pattern
Parts: Minifigure, Headgear
in White and Red and they both have the LEGO logo and number in
micro printing around the inside of the stud.

Thanks i Will send a refund to my customer

I will check at work tomorrow, but I am fairly sure that these were initially
produced without LEGO logo and number. I know that this is the case for other
Ninjago headgears. Also some of them were initially produced in another plastic
quality, and looks and feels differently.

You most likely have sent a genuine LEGO part.

Helge
 Author: helge View Messages Posted By helge
 Posted: Feb 29, 2024 18:39
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helge (23986)

Location:  Norway
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In Catalog, helge writes:
  
  
  
I just checked
 
Part No: 98133pb01  Name: Minifigure, Headgear Ninjago Wrap with Gold 3 Point Emblem Pattern
* 
98133pb01 Minifigure, Headgear Ninjago Wrap with Gold 3 Point Emblem Pattern
Parts: Minifigure, Headgear
in White and Red and they both have the LEGO logo and number in
micro printing around the inside of the stud.

Thanks i Will send a refund to my customer

I will check at work tomorrow, but I am fairly sure that these were initially
produced without LEGO logo and number. I know that this is the case for other
Ninjago headgears. Also some of them were initially produced in another plastic
quality, and looks and feels differently.

You most likely have sent a genuine LEGO part.

Helge

For the 30177 wrap, LEGO changed at some point from a material called ABS/PA
to a material called HV-ABS. They also changed the mould at the same time (or
around the same time) and the earlier does not have logo or number. When you
compare the old and the new wraps, the old looks dull and "fake" compared
to the new ones. I think this change were done around 2012-13 if I recall correctly.
I am not sure if it is the same with the 98133, but I think that is very likely,
and I think I have more data on it at work. Send me a message if I forget to
check tomorrow.

Helge
 Author: helge View Messages Posted By helge
 Posted: Mar 1, 2024 05:29
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helge (23986)

Location:  Norway
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In Catalog, helge writes:
  In Catalog, helge writes:
  
  
  
I just checked
 
Part No: 98133pb01  Name: Minifigure, Headgear Ninjago Wrap with Gold 3 Point Emblem Pattern
* 
98133pb01 Minifigure, Headgear Ninjago Wrap with Gold 3 Point Emblem Pattern
Parts: Minifigure, Headgear
in White and Red and they both have the LEGO logo and number in
micro printing around the inside of the stud.

Thanks i Will send a refund to my customer

I will check at work tomorrow, but I am fairly sure that these were initially
produced without LEGO logo and number. I know that this is the case for other
Ninjago headgears. Also some of them were initially produced in another plastic
quality, and looks and feels differently.

You most likely have sent a genuine LEGO part.

Helge

For the 30177 wrap, LEGO changed at some point from a material called ABS/PA
to a material called HV-ABS. They also changed the mould at the same time (or
around the same time) and the earlier does not have logo or number. When you
compare the old and the new wraps, the old looks dull and "fake" compared
to the new ones. I think this change were done around 2012-13 if I recall correctly.
I am not sure if it is the same with the 98133, but I think that is very likely,
and I think I have more data on it at work. Send me a message if I forget to
check tomorrow.

Helge

I have checked the 98133 that I have, and all have the logo and number, though
in very small print. These were produced from 2012; I think that at least some
of wraps that I checked were from early productions, so I think that they probably
have had the logo and number all along. I have not found any other information
that indicate that these were ever produced without logo and number, but it is
of course possible.

Helge
 Author: Andrsv View Messages Posted By Andrsv
 Posted: Mar 3, 2024 18:16
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Andrsv (2840)

Location:  Norway, Rogaland
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In Catalog, helge writes:
  In Catalog, helge writes:
  In Catalog, helge writes:
  
  
  
I just checked
 
Part No: 98133pb01  Name: Minifigure, Headgear Ninjago Wrap with Gold 3 Point Emblem Pattern
* 
98133pb01 Minifigure, Headgear Ninjago Wrap with Gold 3 Point Emblem Pattern
Parts: Minifigure, Headgear
in White and Red and they both have the LEGO logo and number in
micro printing around the inside of the stud.

Thanks i Will send a refund to my customer

I will check at work tomorrow, but I am fairly sure that these were initially
produced without LEGO logo and number. I know that this is the case for other
Ninjago headgears. Also some of them were initially produced in another plastic
quality, and looks and feels differently.

You most likely have sent a genuine LEGO part.

Helge

For the 30177 wrap, LEGO changed at some point from a material called ABS/PA
to a material called HV-ABS. They also changed the mould at the same time (or
around the same time) and the earlier does not have logo or number. When you
compare the old and the new wraps, the old looks dull and "fake" compared
to the new ones. I think this change were done around 2012-13 if I recall correctly.
I am not sure if it is the same with the 98133, but I think that is very likely,
and I think I have more data on it at work. Send me a message if I forget to
check tomorrow.

Helge

I have checked the 98133 that I have, and all have the logo and number, though
in very small print. These were produced from 2012; I think that at least some
of wraps that I checked were from early productions, so I think that they probably
have had the logo and number all along. I have not found any other information
that indicate that these were ever produced without logo and number, but it is
of course possible.

Helge

Thanks alot Helge. I really appreciate your feedback on this

I ended up refunding the customer.