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| | | Author: | WildBricks  | | Posted: | Feb 22, 2024 08:56 | | Subject: | Glued tire and wheel question. | | Viewed: | 142 times | | Topic: | Catalog | | Status: | Open | |
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| I have an entire pile of these that won't come apart. I noticed that in the
catalog there is a note: Early versions are believed to have been glued or
melted together at the factory.
I'm wondering if they are glued and if so, where would they have come from?
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| | | | | Author: | edk | | Posted: | Feb 22, 2024 09:33 | | Subject: | Re: Glued tire and wheel question. | | Viewed: | 34 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, WildBricks writes:
| | I have an entire pile of these that won't come apart. I noticed that in the
catalog there is a note: Early versions are believed to have been glued or
melted together at the factory.
I'm wondering if they are glued and if so, where would they have come from?
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YES, some were glued/melted, Some used a very stiff rubber that is tough to separate.
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| | | | | Author: | Stuart9 | | Posted: | Feb 22, 2024 09:41 | | Subject: | Re: Glued tire and wheel question. | | Viewed: | 37 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| I’ve found these too in bulk lots.
In Catalog, WildBricks writes:
| | I have an entire pile of these that won't come apart. I noticed that in the
catalog there is a note: Early versions are believed to have been glued or
melted together at the factory.
I'm wondering if they are glued and if so, where would they have come from?
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| | | | | Author: | starbeanie | | Posted: | Feb 22, 2024 09:46 | | Subject: | Re: Glued tire and wheel question. | | Viewed: | 33 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| That's a bad note from someone who is not familiar with chemistry and toys.
See below which is a common issue with vintage toys.
"Melt marks" are part of the vocabulary of PEZ collectors and are melt
marks, caused when the styrene plastic of PEZ dispensers comes into contact with
other malleable plastics or rubbers, sometimes and probably in certain characteristics
and time, causing a chemical reaction between both materials. This problem arises,
for example, in contact with very soft rubber "bug" toys, which we often
find on sale at Carnival or inside gift balls, such as snakes and spiders, or
even the "Creepy Crawlers" style, of "homemade manufacture".
These burns can literally ruin a dispenser, so it is advised not to store together,
including inside certain plastic bags or even in contact with other PEZ dispensers.
In Catalog, WildBricks writes:
| | I have an entire pile of these that won't come apart. I noticed that in the
catalog there is a note: Early versions are believed to have been glued or
melted together at the factory.
I'm wondering if they are glued and if so, where would they have come from?
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| | | | | | | Author: | starbeanie | | Posted: | Feb 22, 2024 09:49 | | Subject: | Re: Glued tire and wheel question. | | Viewed: | 32 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| also, see this video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yei-oWEg4NQ
In Catalog, starbeanie writes:
| | That's a bad note from someone who is not familiar with chemistry and toys.
See below which is a common issue with vintage toys.
"Melt marks" are part of the vocabulary of PEZ collectors and are melt
marks, caused when the styrene plastic of PEZ dispensers comes into contact with
other malleable plastics or rubbers, sometimes and probably in certain characteristics
and time, causing a chemical reaction between both materials. This problem arises,
for example, in contact with very soft rubber "bug" toys, which we often
find on sale at Carnival or inside gift balls, such as snakes and spiders, or
even the "Creepy Crawlers" style, of "homemade manufacture".
These burns can literally ruin a dispenser, so it is advised not to store together,
including inside certain plastic bags or even in contact with other PEZ dispensers.
In Catalog, WildBricks writes:
| | I have an entire pile of these that won't come apart. I noticed that in the
catalog there is a note: Early versions are believed to have been glued or
melted together at the factory.
I'm wondering if they are glued and if so, where would they have come from?
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| | | | | | | Author: | WildBricks | | Posted: | Feb 22, 2024 09:57 | | Subject: | Re: Glued tire and wheel question. | | Viewed: | 35 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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causing a chemical reaction between both materials. This problem arises,
for example, in contact with very soft rubber "bug" toys, which we often
find on sale at Carnival or inside gift balls, such as snakes and spiders, or
even the "Creepy Crawlers" style, of "homemade manufacture".
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That makes perfect sense. I've pulled more than a few of these apart that
had "glued" themselves to each other and melted together.
I've given my husband permission to separate the brown wheels and tires in
any way that he can, including pliers, case cutters, and if needed the dremel
tools. The hubs are worth enough by themselves that a few broken during separation
would be worth it.
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| | | | | Author: | oukexergon | | Posted: | Feb 22, 2024 10:22 | | Subject: | Re: Glued tire and wheel question. | | Viewed: | 33 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, WildBricks writes:
| | I have an entire pile of these that won't come apart. I noticed that in the
catalog there is a note: Early versions are believed to have been glued or
melted together at the factory.
I'm wondering if they are glued and if so, where would they have come from?
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I'm no expert, but it seems like this is a common problem with these parts
when left assembled in attics and other places with variable temperatures sometimes
getting inadvisably hot for plastic toys. I've seen them all corroded and
melded together in bulk sales, even in bins at second-hand stores. In contrast,
kept in a cool, steady environment they fare well, like all my old ones did,
even assembled. So this note, to me, makes no sense, when it seems to be a common
problem of long-term storage for these when assembled in variable temperatures.
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| | | | | Author: | zorbanj | | Posted: | Feb 22, 2024 10:35 | | Subject: | Re: Glued tire and wheel question. | | Viewed: | 32 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| This note prompted me to cut the rubber tires off of several of these. I see
no indication on the rims of applied glue or uniform melting, as you would
expect to see if it was done at the factory. I think it is far more likely that
these melted from being stored in hot attics over the years.
In Catalog, WildBricks writes:
| | I have an entire pile of these that won't come apart. I noticed that in the
catalog there is a note: Early versions are believed to have been glued or
melted together at the factory.
I'm wondering if they are glued and if so, where would they have come from?
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| | | | | Author: | oukexergon | | Posted: | Feb 22, 2024 10:37 | | Subject: | Re: Glued tire and wheel question. | | Viewed: | 34 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| Also, didn't the brown one only come in Pirate sets for cannons? So in that
color, they were never intended to be assembled with tires--sad to see those
particular ones victimized!
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| | | | | | | Author: | WildBricks | | Posted: | Feb 22, 2024 11:08 | | Subject: | Re: Glued tire and wheel question. | | Viewed: | 32 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, oukexergon writes:
| | Also, didn't the brown one only come in Pirate sets for cannons? So in that
color, they were never intended to be assembled with tires--sad to see those
particular ones victimized!
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That is exactly what prompted me to ask the question. I couldn't figure out
why they were stuck together. Turns out 2 sets/pair of needle nose pliers has
taken care of about 15 of them. The rest my hubby will have to work on. The rubber
isn't exactly brittle, but it tears easily enough if you can get a grip on
it.
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | CBak | | Posted: | Feb 22, 2024 11:40 | | Subject: | Re: Glued tire and wheel question. | | Viewed: | 38 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, WildBricks writes:
| | In Catalog, oukexergon writes:
| | Also, didn't the brown one only come in Pirate sets for cannons? So in that
color, they were never intended to be assembled with tires--sad to see those
particular ones victimized!
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That is exactly what prompted me to ask the question. I couldn't figure out
why they were stuck together. Turns out 2 sets/pair of needle nose pliers has
taken care of about 15 of them. The rest my hubby will have to work on. The rubber
isn't exactly brittle, but it tears easily enough if you can get a grip on
it.
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As others have pointed out it's because plasticizers in the rubber have started
to react with the plastic.
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