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 Author: StormChaser View Messages Posted By StormChaser
 Posted: Feb 9, 2024 21:12
 Subject: Adding to the Problem
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StormChaser (566)

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Considering the recent displeasure of the community regarding variants, why is
BrickLink adding to the variant problem with new catalog entries like these?


 
Part No: 44553pb04  Name: Minifigure, Hat with Small Pin, Tall Hat with Small Brim and Printed Black Top Pattern
* 
44553pb04 Minifigure, Hat with Small Pin, Tall Hat with Small Brim and Printed Black Top Pattern
Parts: Minifigure, Headgear Accessory
 
Part No: 44553pb03  Name: Minifigure, Hat with Small Pin, Tall Hat with Small Brim and Molded Black Top Pattern
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44553pb03 Minifigure, Hat with Small Pin, Tall Hat with Small Brim and Molded Black Top Pattern
Parts: Minifigure, Headgear Accessory

Instead of wandering aimlessly with no plan whatsoever and still
no written guidelines for variants, it might be wiser for this website to employ
someone at a high level who is capable of crafting solid, long-term visions for
the future.
 Author: Bitsnpieces.... View Messages Posted By Bitsnpieces....
 Posted: Feb 9, 2024 21:36
 Subject: Re: Adding to the Problem
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In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
  Considering the recent displeasure of the community regarding variants, why is
BrickLink adding to the variant problem with new catalog entries like these?


 
Part No: 44553pb04  Name: Minifigure, Hat with Small Pin, Tall Hat with Small Brim and Printed Black Top Pattern
* 
44553pb04 Minifigure, Hat with Small Pin, Tall Hat with Small Brim and Printed Black Top Pattern
Parts: Minifigure, Headgear Accessory
 
Part No: 44553pb03  Name: Minifigure, Hat with Small Pin, Tall Hat with Small Brim and Molded Black Top Pattern
* 
44553pb03 Minifigure, Hat with Small Pin, Tall Hat with Small Brim and Molded Black Top Pattern
Parts: Minifigure, Headgear Accessory

Instead of wandering aimlessly with no plan whatsoever and still
no written guidelines for variants, it might be wiser for this website to employ
someone at a high level who is capable of crafting solid, long-term visions for
the future.

totally agree with you,
 Author: yorbrick View Messages Posted By yorbrick
 Posted: Feb 10, 2024 04:05
 Subject: Re: Adding to the Problem
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In Catalog, Bitsnpieces.... writes:
  In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
  Considering the recent displeasure of the community regarding variants, why is
BrickLink adding to the variant problem with new catalog entries like these?


 
Part No: 44553pb04  Name: Minifigure, Hat with Small Pin, Tall Hat with Small Brim and Printed Black Top Pattern
* 
44553pb04 Minifigure, Hat with Small Pin, Tall Hat with Small Brim and Printed Black Top Pattern
Parts: Minifigure, Headgear Accessory
 
Part No: 44553pb03  Name: Minifigure, Hat with Small Pin, Tall Hat with Small Brim and Molded Black Top Pattern
* 
44553pb03 Minifigure, Hat with Small Pin, Tall Hat with Small Brim and Molded Black Top Pattern
Parts: Minifigure, Headgear Accessory

Instead of wandering aimlessly with no plan whatsoever and still
no written guidelines for variants, it might be wiser for this website to employ
someone at a high level who is capable of crafting solid, long-term visions for
the future.

totally agree with you,

I disagree with you. Separating molded and printed parts is good, especially
for legs with boots patterns.
 Author: UTLF View Messages Posted By UTLF
 Posted: Feb 9, 2024 21:53
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 Author: Admin_Russell View Messages Posted By Admin_Russell
 Posted: Feb 10, 2024 02:34
 Subject: Re: Adding to the Problem
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In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
  Considering the recent displeasure of the community regarding variants, why is
BrickLink adding to the variant problem with new catalog entries like these?


 
Part No: 44553pb04  Name: Minifigure, Hat with Small Pin, Tall Hat with Small Brim and Printed Black Top Pattern
* 
44553pb04 Minifigure, Hat with Small Pin, Tall Hat with Small Brim and Printed Black Top Pattern
Parts: Minifigure, Headgear Accessory
 
Part No: 44553pb03  Name: Minifigure, Hat with Small Pin, Tall Hat with Small Brim and Molded Black Top Pattern
* 
44553pb03 Minifigure, Hat with Small Pin, Tall Hat with Small Brim and Molded Black Top Pattern
Parts: Minifigure, Headgear Accessory

Instead of wandering aimlessly with no plan whatsoever and still
no written guidelines for variants, it might be wiser for this website to employ
someone at a high level who is capable of crafting solid, long-term visions for
the future.

Recognizing molded vs printed is nothing new on BrickLink. And these are collectors'
items 100%. Furthermore, they present no problems in the inventory system.

The parts in the variant project are all mainstream parts and are primarily used
for building, not collecting. We'll get some rules up soon, but it's
pretty clear from the Help overview page what will NOT be distinguished in the
future on BrickLink:

https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=2625

There definitely is a plan when it comes to drawing the line on variants, and
it's a long-term plan that takes into account future upgrades to the system.
We have been discussing these points for almost a year now with various groups,
including our catalog panel. Don't mistake our ability to modify a plan to
accommodate certain groups of users with the inability to make solid independent
decisions.
 Author: Familybuild View Messages Posted By Familybuild
 Posted: Feb 10, 2024 04:26
 Subject: Re: Adding to the Problem
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Familybuild (99)

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There definitely is a plan when it comes to drawing the line on variants, and
  it's a long-term plan that takes into account future upgrades to the system.
We have been discussing these points for almost a year now with various groups,
including our catalog panel. Don't mistake our ability to modify a plan to
accommodate certain groups of users with the inability to make solid independent
decisions



Hi,
The only "plan" i can see unfold on this are unsatisfied customers, there
will be people who will receive not what they are looking for.
And if that indeed is the plan it leads to a degrading catalog path i think.

For the heck of it why not merge the whole catalog to an one part lot, and send
people random Lego , saves the sorting process all together.


Also the hints on future merges are apperent, while the source of the merges
is not yet come up (much).. the lego group being the Owner of bricklink.

I cannot see how these impactfull changes can come somewhere other than at the
decision of the owner.

What i also missed (maby it is somewhere between the 1000's of commente regarding
the merge by now) is a seller protection of some sort in the feedback system.
If a sellers ships two variants of the to be merged parts to its customer; he
will have delivered correctly bit yet he may receive less then positive feedback
due to this merge.


The time and resources used for this pushtrough merge are stunning to me, since
the gains are surely not compensating it as far aa my eyes see.

Best wishes

Bas
 Author: yorbrick View Messages Posted By yorbrick
 Posted: Feb 10, 2024 05:24
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yorbrick (1182)

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  For the heck of it why not merge the whole catalog to an one part lot, and send
people random Lego , saves the sorting process all together.

Do you really think stupid statements like this help?
 Author: UTLF View Messages Posted By UTLF
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 Author: Familybuild View Messages Posted By Familybuild
 Posted: Feb 10, 2024 05:50
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In Catalog, UTLF writes:
  
  Do you really think stupid statements like this help?

They're more helpful than ones like these, but because you're the one
posting it you don't see an issue with it

The admins ignore us anyways, so let the man yell into the void

if he cant see the satire in it, he is the one lost in the void^^
 Author: oukexergon View Messages Posted By oukexergon
 Posted: Feb 12, 2024 07:50
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In Catalog, Admin_Russell writes:
  https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=2625

There definitely is a plan when it comes to drawing the line on variants, and
it's a long-term plan that takes into account future upgrades to the system.
We have been discussing these points for almost a year now with various groups,
including our catalog panel. Don't mistake our ability to modify a plan to
accommodate certain groups of users with the inability to make solid independent
decisions.

But inside supports on 1x2 dimension bricks (1x2x1, 1x2x5) makes for VERY significant
difference in connectivity, functionality, and aesthetics. Merging 2x3 blocks
I can understand, but the 1x2x5s are extremely different.The vision is flawed
and too broad. Are the 1x2x1s going to get merged?