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| | | Author: | rickcraine  | | Posted: | Jan 25, 2024 11:29 | | Subject: | Merging piece varian is a BIG PROBLEM | | Viewed: | 293 times | | Topic: | Catalog | | Status: | Open | |
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| Hey, I just am trying to draw to everyone's attention the update Bricklink
is rolling out on February first that will cause several types of pieces to be
merged together under specific listings. For example, slopes that have smooth
and rough sides will no longer be considered different pieces. Now, this is
a BIG PROBLEM. When you are MOCing and you need a specific texture for a, lets
say, roof, and you use the wrong texture, it stands out A LOT. I hope everyone
sees what I am getting to here. If sellers are allowed to combine those two VERY
DIFFERENT variants of pieces, I may need to do several orders to get the actual
pieces I want, and it won't be the sellers fault if they send me a mix of
TWO DISTINCT TYPES OF PIECES. I am new to Bricklink, so maybe this has happened
before, but right now, this seems like it could pose a huge problem. I am sure
the Bricklink Devs had good intentions in mind when they decided to merge these
piece variants, but what they said in their letter to the Sellers, quote, "We
consider them (the piece variants) to be relatively unimportant and cumbersome
from the viewpoint of the Bricklink Marketplace" IS NOT TRUE. Specific things
like the textured variants of pieces DO MATTER. Please spread the word and hopefully
the Bricklink Devs will listen to the community.
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| | | | | Author: | 1001bricks | | Posted: | Jan 25, 2024 11:47 | | Subject: | Re: Merging piece varian is a BIG PROBLEM | | Viewed: | 121 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| | | Now, this is a BIG PROBLEM.
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I don't wish to look arrogant or such - but opinion of a 1 Order Member,
sincerely...
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| | | | | | | Author: | tonnic | | Posted: | Jan 25, 2024 12:09 | | Subject: | Re: Merging piece varian is a BIG PROBLEM | | Viewed: | 75 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, 1001bricks writes:
| | | | Now, this is a BIG PROBLEM.
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I don't wish to look arrogant or such - but opinion of a 1 Order Member,
sincerely...
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Opinions from all members, if serious, are welcome.
In this case I would suspect this member to have another older account, otherwise
with such small experience on Bricklink they would not bother that much. But
that is my guess and opinion.
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | StarBrick | | Posted: | Jan 25, 2024 12:13 | | Subject: | Re: Merging piece varian is a BIG PROBLEM | | Viewed: | 67 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| +1
Every voice counts and the detail given by the OP makes this for sure not a newbie....
(mmmm, maybe this should apply to general elections: the older one gets, the
more weight one's vote and after 60 the vote is weighed lesser each year.....)
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| | | | | | | Author: | rickcraine | | Posted: | Jan 25, 2024 12:20 | | Subject: | Re: Merging piece varian is a BIG PROBLEM | | Viewed: | 110 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, 1001bricks writes:
| | | | Now, this is a BIG PROBLEM.
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I don't wish to look arrogant or such - but opinion of a 1 Order Member,
sincerely...
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Thanks to the guys who defended me over this. I am not new to Bricklink, however,
this account is new. Also, i'd like to not 1001bricks is one of the people
who have been defending the switch to the new format, quote from the thread thats
trending right now on this , "AFOLs are the most often casual builders. Site
should be casual for them." I hope even if people are casual they care that
they get the piece that they ordered.
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | rickcraine | | Posted: | Jan 25, 2024 12:22 | | Subject: | Re: Merging piece varian is a BIG PROBLEM | | Viewed: | 60 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, rickcraine writes:
| | In Catalog, 1001bricks writes:
| | | | Now, this is a BIG PROBLEM.
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I don't wish to look arrogant or such - but opinion of a 1 Order Member,
sincerely...
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Thanks to the guys who defended me over this. I am not new to Bricklink, however,
this account is new. Also, i'd like to not 1001bricks is one of the people
who have been defending the switch to the new format, quote from the thread thats
trending right now on this , "AFOLs are the most often casual builders. Site
should be casual for them." I hope even if people are casual they care that
they get the piece that they ordered.
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Side note, on my real account, I am still relatively new, but with a year under
my belt I like the way Bricklink works as it mostly has since I've joined.
Idk,
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Tracyd | | Posted: | Jan 25, 2024 12:55 | | Subject: | Re: Merging piece varian is a BIG PROBLEM | | Viewed: | 56 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, rickcraine writes:
| | In Catalog, rickcraine writes:
| | In Catalog, 1001bricks writes:
| | | | Now, this is a BIG PROBLEM.
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I don't wish to look arrogant or such - but opinion of a 1 Order Member,
sincerely...
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Thanks to the guys who defended me over this. I am not new to Bricklink, however,
this account is new. Also, i'd like to not 1001bricks is one of the people
who have been defending the switch to the new format, quote from the thread thats
trending right now on this , "AFOLs are the most often casual builders. Site
should be casual for them." I hope even if people are casual they care that
they get the piece that they ordered.
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Side note, on my real account, I am still relatively new, but with a year under
my belt I like the way Bricklink works as it mostly has since I've joined.
Idk,
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Why not post this from your real account? Frankly Bricklink will do what is
best for Bricklink. As is their right as owner of the site, and I am not belittling
all the contributions made by every volunteer who gave their time and energy
into identifying these variants. My understanding, and I could be wrong, is that
the information will still exist for the variants, but they won't be listed
separately. As far as the buyers who specifically want a certain variant it is
probably a far lower percentage then the buyer who doesn't know or care.
Merging them makes the search and decision to buy faster and easier for those
who don't know/don't care. I think several shops will continue to sort
out and list at least by comments these variants and will become the go to stores
for those who seek out specific variants. It will probably allow them to price
them higher and make more profit.
I could be totally wrong thou and this change could destroy the whole space time
continuum. Oh wait, wrong discussion for that.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | rickcraine | | Posted: | Jan 25, 2024 12:58 | | Subject: | Re: Merging piece varian is a BIG PROBLEM | | Viewed: | 44 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, Tracyd writes:
| | In Catalog, rickcraine writes:
| | In Catalog, rickcraine writes:
| | In Catalog, 1001bricks writes:
| | | | Now, this is a BIG PROBLEM.
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I don't wish to look arrogant or such - but opinion of a 1 Order Member,
sincerely...
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Thanks to the guys who defended me over this. I am not new to Bricklink, however,
this account is new. Also, i'd like to not 1001bricks is one of the people
who have been defending the switch to the new format, quote from the thread thats
trending right now on this , "AFOLs are the most often casual builders. Site
should be casual for them." I hope even if people are casual they care that
they get the piece that they ordered.
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Side note, on my real account, I am still relatively new, but with a year under
my belt I like the way Bricklink works as it mostly has since I've joined.
Idk,
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Why not post this from your real account? Frankly Bricklink will do what is
best for Bricklink. As is their right as owner of the site, and I am not belittling
all the contributions made by every volunteer who gave their time and energy
into identifying these variants. My understanding, and I could be wrong, is that
the information will still exist for the variants, but they won't be listed
separately. As far as the buyers who specifically want a certain variant it is
probably a far lower percentage then the buyer who doesn't know or care.
Merging them makes the search and decision to buy faster and easier for those
who don't know/don't care. I think several shops will continue to sort
out and list at least by comments these variants and will become the go to stores
for those who seek out specific variants. It will probably allow them to price
them higher and make more profit.
I could be totally wrong thou and this change could destroy the whole space time
continuum. Oh wait, wrong discussion for that.
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Lol, sorry, people do grow up, my account is linked to my real email now, not
my parents, hence why this account has only been around since the beginning-ish
off the school year.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | rickcraine | | Posted: | Jan 25, 2024 13:03 | | Subject: | Re: Merging piece varian is a BIG PROBLEM | | Viewed: | 45 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, rickcraine writes:
| | In Catalog, Tracyd writes:
| | In Catalog, rickcraine writes:
| | In Catalog, rickcraine writes:
| | In Catalog, 1001bricks writes:
| | | | Now, this is a BIG PROBLEM.
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I don't wish to look arrogant or such - but opinion of a 1 Order Member,
sincerely...
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Thanks to the guys who defended me over this. I am not new to Bricklink, however,
this account is new. Also, i'd like to not 1001bricks is one of the people
who have been defending the switch to the new format, quote from the thread thats
trending right now on this , "AFOLs are the most often casual builders. Site
should be casual for them." I hope even if people are casual they care that
they get the piece that they ordered.
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Side note, on my real account, I am still relatively new, but with a year under
my belt I like the way Bricklink works as it mostly has since I've joined.
Idk,
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Why not post this from your real account? Frankly Bricklink will do what is
best for Bricklink. As is their right as owner of the site, and I am not belittling
all the contributions made by every volunteer who gave their time and energy
into identifying these variants. My understanding, and I could be wrong, is that
the information will still exist for the variants, but they won't be listed
separately. As far as the buyers who specifically want a certain variant it is
probably a far lower percentage then the buyer who doesn't know or care.
Merging them makes the search and decision to buy faster and easier for those
who don't know/don't care. I think several shops will continue to sort
out and list at least by comments these variants and will become the go to stores
for those who seek out specific variants. It will probably allow them to price
them higher and make more profit.
I could be totally wrong thou and this change could destroy the whole space time
continuum. Oh wait, wrong discussion for that.
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Lol, sorry, people do grow up, my account is linked to my real email now, not
my parents, hence why this account has only been around since the beginning-ish
off the school year.
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For one, I will be definitely buying from stores who sort their pieces, because
if I want to buy a variant of a piece I should receive that specific piece, once
I pay. I just hope Bricklink stores won't use this as an excuse to jack up
prices if they do list their pieces properly.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | yorbrick | | Posted: | Jan 25, 2024 14:32 | | Subject: | Re: Merging piece varian is a BIG PROBLEM | | Viewed: | 54 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| | | For one, I will be definitely buying from stores who sort their pieces, because
if I want to buy a variant of a piece I should receive that specific piece, once
I pay. I just hope Bricklink stores won't use this as an excuse to jack up
prices if they do list their pieces properly.
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How will you define the variants you want if they are no longer defined here?
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | TheBrickGuys | | Posted: | Jan 25, 2024 20:30 | | Subject: | Re: Merging piece varian is a BIG PROBLEM | | Viewed: | 67 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, yorbrick writes:
| | | | For one, I will be definitely buying from stores who sort their pieces, because
if I want to buy a variant of a piece I should receive that specific piece, once
I pay. I just hope Bricklink stores won't use this as an excuse to jack up
prices if they do list their pieces properly.
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How will you define the variants you want if they are no longer defined here?
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Exactly! Shoppers will be getting what they ordered and paid for, they just wont
be able to easily shop for different variants of a particular piece unless they
shop at stores that specify that they actually sorting out different variants
and selling them separately, thus, shoppers will still get what they pay for.
I say this only because shoppers stating that they want what they pay for is
just not an accurate analogy for this topic.
Jim.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | 1001bricks | | Posted: | Jan 25, 2024 13:00 | | Subject: | Re: Merging piece varian is a BIG PROBLEM | | Viewed: | 50 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, Tracyd writes:
| | In Catalog, rickcraine writes:
| | Side note, on my real account, I am still relatively new, but with a year under
my belt I like the way Bricklink works as it mostly has since I've joined.
Idk,
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Why not post this from your real account?
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This.
| | Frankly Bricklink will do what is
best for Bricklink. As is their right as owner of the site, and I am not belittling
all the contributions made by every volunteer who gave their time and energy
into identifying these variants. My understanding, and I could be wrong, is that
the information will still exist for the variants, but they won't be listed
separately.
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Yes!
| | As far as the buyers who specifically want a certain variant it is
probably a far lower percentage then the buyer who doesn't know or care.
Merging them makes the search and decision to buy faster and easier for those
who don't know/don't care.
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Exactly.
You've got the point.
| | I think several shops will continue to sort
out and list at least by comments these variants and will become the go to stores
for those who seek out specific variants. It will probably allow them to price
them higher and make more profit.
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Absolutely.
| | I could be totally wrong thou and this change could destroy the whole space time
continuum. Oh wait, wrong discussion for that.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Wookie305 | | Posted: | Jan 26, 2024 00:49 | | Subject: | Re: Merging piece varian is a BIG PROBLEM | | Viewed: | 45 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, 1001bricks writes:
| | In Catalog, Tracyd writes:
| | In Catalog, rickcraine writes:
| | Side note, on my real account, I am still relatively new, but with a year under
my belt I like the way Bricklink works as it mostly has since I've joined.
Idk,
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Why not post this from your real account?
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This.
| | Frankly Bricklink will do what is
best for Bricklink. As is their right as owner of the site, and I am not belittling
all the contributions made by every volunteer who gave their time and energy
into identifying these variants. My understanding, and I could be wrong, is that
the information will still exist for the variants, but they won't be listed
separately.
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Yes!
| | As far as the buyers who specifically want a certain variant it is
probably a far lower percentage then the buyer who doesn't know or care.
Merging them makes the search and decision to buy faster and easier for those
who don't know/don't care.
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Exactly.
You've got the point.
| | I think several shops will continue to sort
out and list at least by comments these variants and will become the go to stores
for those who seek out specific variants. It will probably allow them to price
them higher and make more profit.
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Absolutely.
| | I could be totally wrong thou and this change could destroy the whole space time
continuum. Oh wait, wrong discussion for that.
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When you dont care what the customer gets.. you dont care about your store.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | 1001bricks | | Posted: | Jan 26, 2024 07:14 | | Subject: | Re: Merging piece varian is a BIG PROBLEM | | Viewed: | 61 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, Wookie305 writes:
| | When you dont care what the customer gets.. you dont care about your store.
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I DO care of what my customers get... see Feedback Profile?
But our Shop isn't a shop for specialists and historians. That's all.
Said differently, we sell Swatch Watches, but no Rollex; it's the often a
totally different shop who sell those 2 styles. Here anyway it is.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Wookie305 | | Posted: | Jan 26, 2024 20:10 | | Subject: | Re: Merging piece varian is a BIG PROBLEM | | Viewed: | 59 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, 1001bricks writes:
| | In Catalog, Wookie305 writes:
| | When you dont care what the customer gets.. you dont care about your store.
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I DO care of what my customers get... see Feedback Profile?
But our Shop isn't a shop for specialists and historians. That's all.
Said differently, we sell Swatch Watches, but no Rollex; it's the often a
totally different shop who sell those 2 styles. Here anyway it is.
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Now that is a strawman arguement because all these variants are LEGO©. we arent
dealing with other name brands.
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | Saitobricks.ca | | Posted: | Jan 25, 2024 12:38 | | Subject: | Re: Merging piece varian is a BIG PROBLEM | | Viewed: | 45 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, rickcraine writes:
| | In Catalog, 1001bricks writes:
| | | | Now, this is a BIG PROBLEM.
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I don't wish to look arrogant or such - but opinion of a 1 Order Member,
sincerely...
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Thanks to the guys who defended me over this. I am not new to Bricklink, however,
this account is new. Also, i'd like to not 1001bricks is one of the people
who have been defending the switch to the new format, quote from the thread thats
trending right now on this , "AFOLs are the most often casual builders. Site
should be casual for them." I hope even if people are casual they care that
they get the piece that they ordered.
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Agreed!
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| | | | | | | Author: | Saitobricks.ca | | Posted: | Jan 25, 2024 12:34 | | Subject: | Re: Merging piece varian is a BIG PROBLEM | | Viewed: | 57 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, 1001bricks writes:
| | | | Now, this is a BIG PROBLEM.
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I don't wish to look arrogant or such - but opinion of a 1 Order Member,
sincerely...
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Make that two members. And this one owns a store.
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | kittybrickz | | Posted: | Jan 25, 2024 14:57 | | Subject: | Re: Merging piece varian is a BIG PROBLEM | | Viewed: | 45 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| As a newer seller I am concerned that I will not be knowledgeable enough about
variants.
I would like to limit the potential for returns and refunds.
In Catalog, Saitobricks.ca writes:
| | In Catalog, 1001bricks writes:
| | | | Now, this is a BIG PROBLEM.
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I don't wish to look arrogant or such - but opinion of a 1 Order Member,
sincerely...
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Make that two members. And this one owns a store.
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | Kapiteiniglo | | Posted: | Jan 26, 2024 08:02 | | Subject: | Re: Merging piece varian is a BIG PROBLEM | | Viewed: | 59 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, Saitobricks.ca writes:
| | In Catalog, 1001bricks writes:
| | | | Now, this is a BIG PROBLEM.
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I don't wish to look arrogant or such - but opinion of a 1 Order Member,
sincerely...
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Make that two members. And this one owns a store.
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make that 3 memebers, 2 with a store 
i do see coming up a lot of problems in inventories of shops.
and what about sets with specific mold types, a jumper with a groove or without
a groove makes a lot of difference in a classic set. If i rebuild classic sets
i always check if the parts are from the right era, with plates its already a
strubble to find the right parts from the right era, because bricklink has no
differences in the plates. But when a buyer spends a lot of money for a complete
classic set, he wants all of the parts from the same era. Or am I to picky with
sets, i know i expect it when i buy a set.
I do see a lot of problems with the merge, as a seller iw ould probably keep
sorting like i always did, and place the mold type in the remarks. i have been
doing this for years, and a lot of buyers do appreciate that.
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | yorbrick | | Posted: | Jan 26, 2024 08:50 | | Subject: | Re: Merging piece varian is a BIG PROBLEM | | Viewed: | 65 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| | | i do see coming up a lot of problems in inventories of shops.
and what about sets with specific mold types, a jumper with a groove or without
a groove makes a lot of difference in a classic set.
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So why renaming some parts by removing the "with groove" part of the
name but not merging them going to cause you a lot of problems?
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| | | | | | | Author: | infinibrix | | Posted: | Jan 25, 2024 12:44 | | Subject: | Re: Merging piece varian is a BIG PROBLEM | | Viewed: | 57 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, 1001bricks writes:
| | | | Now, this is a BIG PROBLEM.
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I don't wish to look arrogant or such - but opinion of a 1 Order Member,
sincerely...
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Your being too modest! Your opinion is 51,000 orders more relevant and around
46,000 orders more relevant than my opinion
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| | | | | | | Author: | tonnic | | Posted: | Jan 25, 2024 13:38 | | Subject: | Re: Merging piece varian is a BIG PROBLEM | | Viewed: | 48 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, 1001bricks writes:
| | | | Now, this is a BIG PROBLEM.
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I don't wish to look arrogant (you are French so you are excused instantly) or such - but opinion of a 1 Order Member,
sincerely...
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| | | | | | | Author: | randyf | | Posted: | Jan 25, 2024 13:45 | | Subject: | Re: Merging piece varian is a BIG PROBLEM | | Viewed: | 64 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, 1001bricks writes:
| | | | Now, this is a BIG PROBLEM.
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I don't wish to look arrogant or such - but opinion of a 1 Order Member,
sincerely...
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Well, having to post a reply to just say this looks arrogant.
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | 1001bricks | | Posted: | Jan 25, 2024 13:48 | | Subject: | Re: Merging piece varian is a BIG PROBLEM | | Viewed: | 67 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, randyf writes:
| | In Catalog, 1001bricks writes:
| | | | Now, this is a BIG PROBLEM.
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I don't wish to look arrogant or such - but opinion of a 1 Order Member,
sincerely...
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Well, having to post a reply to just say this looks arrogant.
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I agree 
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | yorbrick | | Posted: | Jan 25, 2024 14:30 | | Subject: | Re: Merging piece varian is a BIG PROBLEM | | Viewed: | 43 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, 1001bricks writes:
| | In Catalog, randyf writes:
| | In Catalog, 1001bricks writes:
| | | | Now, this is a BIG PROBLEM.
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I don't wish to look arrogant or such - but opinion of a 1 Order Member,
sincerely...
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Well, having to post a reply to just say this looks arrogant.
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I agree
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I don't.
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | infinibrix | | Posted: | Jan 25, 2024 14:02 | | Subject: | Re: Merging piece varian is a BIG PROBLEM | | Viewed: | 64 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, randyf writes:
| | In Catalog, 1001bricks writes:
| | | | Now, this is a BIG PROBLEM.
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I don't wish to look arrogant or such - but opinion of a 1 Order Member,
sincerely...
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Well, having to post a reply to just say this looks arrogant.
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There is actually good reason to call into question some of these member posts
for reasons I've outlined here:-
https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1450285
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | randyf | | Posted: | Jan 25, 2024 17:12 | | Subject: | Re: Merging piece varian is a BIG PROBLEM | | Viewed: | 66 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, infinibrix writes:
| | In Catalog, randyf writes:
| | In Catalog, 1001bricks writes:
| | | | Now, this is a BIG PROBLEM.
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I don't wish to look arrogant or such - but opinion of a 1 Order Member,
sincerely...
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Well, having to post a reply to just say this looks arrogant.
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There is actually good reason to call into question some of these member posts
for reasons I've outlined here:-
https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1450285
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If you have proof that there are duplicate accounts being used by the same person,
please report them. Otherwise, every member has the same right to express their
opinion as anyone else, especially given the fact that BrickLink just notified
the entire userbase yesterday of these impending changes and linked them all
directly to the main thread.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | infinibrix | | Posted: | Jan 25, 2024 21:23 | | Subject: | Re: Merging piece varian is a BIG PROBLEM | | Viewed: | 75 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, randyf writes:
| | In Catalog, infinibrix writes:
| | In Catalog, randyf writes:
| | In Catalog, 1001bricks writes:
| | | | Now, this is a BIG PROBLEM.
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I don't wish to look arrogant or such - but opinion of a 1 Order Member,
sincerely...
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Well, having to post a reply to just say this looks arrogant.
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There is actually good reason to call into question some of these member posts
for reasons I've outlined here:-
https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1450285
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If you have proof that there are duplicate accounts being used by the same person,
please report them. Otherwise, every member has the same right to express their
opinion as anyone else, especially given the fact that BrickLink just notified
the entire userbase yesterday of these impending changes and linked them all
directly to the main thread.
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The Admins already have the necessary data on all members along with powers to
act on and enforce their own policy, I've simply alerted them with my suspicions!
As for every member having equal right to express their views, of course but
using just the one true account would be nice. Either way it doesn't mean
I or anyone else should take the guy who has been a member for a matter of months,
never sold anything, only placed a couple of orders all that seriously when it
comes to how best to optimize the catalog for buying and selling on Bricklink.
Optimizing the site for viewing/cataloging purposes come secondary to actually
buying and selling and many of those with barely any feedback are not using the
site to buy or sell
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | randyf | | Posted: | Jan 25, 2024 23:21 | | Subject: | Re: Merging piece varian is a BIG PROBLEM | | Viewed: | 66 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, infinibrix writes:
| | In Catalog, randyf writes:
| | In Catalog, infinibrix writes:
| | In Catalog, randyf writes:
| | In Catalog, 1001bricks writes:
| | | | Now, this is a BIG PROBLEM.
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I don't wish to look arrogant or such - but opinion of a 1 Order Member,
sincerely...
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Well, having to post a reply to just say this looks arrogant.
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There is actually good reason to call into question some of these member posts
for reasons I've outlined here:-
https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1450285
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If you have proof that there are duplicate accounts being used by the same person,
please report them. Otherwise, every member has the same right to express their
opinion as anyone else, especially given the fact that BrickLink just notified
the entire userbase yesterday of these impending changes and linked them all
directly to the main thread.
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The Admins already have the necessary data on all members along with powers to
act on and enforce their own policy, I've simply alerted them with my suspicions!
As for every member having equal right to express their views, of course but
using just the one true account would be nice. Either way it doesn't mean
I or anyone else should take the guy who has been a member for a matter of months,
never sold anything, only placed a couple of orders all that seriously when it
comes to how best to optimize the catalog for buying and selling on Bricklink.
Optimizing the site for viewing/cataloging purposes come secondary to actually
buying and selling and many of those with barely any feedback are not using the
site to buy or sell
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Although it is certainly true that newer members do not yet have the knowledge
that older members do, belittling the large number of them that make up the site's
userbase is not something that I prescribe to. Rather, I tend to want to educate
others about this hobby that I love so that they may carry on the passion to
the next generation of LEGO enthusiasts. I really couldn't care less how
much someone buys or sells here. The fact that they are here at all is enough
for me to know that they care about this hobby.
As I have stated repeatedly, I am not against most of these changes, but I am
against certain changes that are removing valuable information from the same
catalog that leads to myself and others gaining new knowledge about the hobby
on a constant basis. Yes, the site is a marketplace first, but there is no reason
that it cannot have the best catalog possible with as much granularity that the
catalog volunteers are willing to contribute.
And in that regard, there is a solution that would make everyone happy with no
need to ever have these discussions ever again. It's just that BrickLink
doesn't want to do it. For some reason, there is a sudden rush to do all
of this right now, and none of us know that reason.
Cheers,
Randy
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | infinibrix | | Posted: | Jan 26, 2024 02:13 | | Subject: | Re: Merging piece varian is a BIG PROBLEM | | Viewed: | 87 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, randyf writes:
| | In Catalog, infinibrix writes:
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The Admins already have the necessary data on all members along with powers to
act on and enforce their own policy, I've simply alerted them with my suspicions!
As for every member having equal right to express their views, of course but
using just the one true account would be nice. Either way it doesn't mean
I or anyone else should take the guy who has been a member for a matter of months,
never sold anything, only placed a couple of orders all that seriously when it
comes to how best to optimize the catalog for buying and selling on Bricklink.
Optimizing the site for viewing/cataloging purposes come secondary to actually
buying and selling and many of those with barely any feedback are not using the
site to buy or sell
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Although it is certainly true that newer members do not yet have the knowledge
that older members do, belittling the large number of them that make up the site's
userbase is not something that I prescribe to.
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It has nothing to do with belittling anybody its just a simple factual thing
where showing you have some buying/selling experience on this site are key to
being able to properly weigh up and come to a well-informed opinion on the proposals
in question and so if members are going to push so hard against these proposals
they ought to at least show us that they use the site for more than just browsing.
They also ought to show us that they have held an active account for at least
more than just a couple of months?
Yet if many of these ‘So Called’ new members are as knowledgeable as they appear
and want to be taken seriously then it might be better to comment using their
main account?
| | As I have stated repeatedly, I am not against most of these changes, but I am
against certain changes that are removing valuable information from the same
catalog that leads to myself and others gaining new knowledge about the hobby
on a constant basis. Yes, the site is a marketplace first, but there is no reason
that it cannot have the best catalog possible with as much granularity that the
catalog volunteers are willing to contribute.
And in that regard, there is a solution that would make everyone happy with no
need to ever have these discussions ever again. It's just that BrickLink
doesn't want to do it. For some reason, there is a sudden rush to do all
of this right now, and none of us know that reason.
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The reason as far as I can see it is quite simple in that they want to progress
forward with a more functional site and personally I’d rather they focus their
attentions on these things rather than spending vast amounts of time and energy
restructuring the whole site in order to cater for what are the very least important
variants, Variants that most people really don’t care about outside of this forum
which may be hard for some to accept, but true!
That’s not to say that they shouldn't/couldn’t of at least considered implementing
these variants at a later date if/when the system allowed it but it shouldn’t
be done at the expense of slowing down the overall progress of the site either(How
long do we wait for the site to be re-structured?). People are very critical
at the lack of progress since the acquisition of Lego and then when some focused
and in my view positive planned changes are rolled out everyone starts putting
the breaks on!
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | zorbanj | | Posted: | Jan 25, 2024 22:34 | | Subject: | Re: Merging piece varian is a BIG PROBLEM | | Viewed: | 53 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| The OP says it right here:
https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1450425
In Catalog, randyf writes:
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If you have proof that there are duplicate accounts being used by the same person,
please report them. Otherwise, every member has the same right to express their
opinion as anyone else, especially given the fact that BrickLink just notified
the entire userbase yesterday of these impending changes and linked them all
directly to the main thread.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | randyf | | Posted: | Jan 25, 2024 22:57 | | Subject: | Re: Merging piece varian is a BIG PROBLEM | | Viewed: | 66 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, zorbanj writes:
| | The OP says it right here:
https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1450425
In Catalog, randyf writes:
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If you have proof that there are duplicate accounts being used by the same person,
please report them. Otherwise, every member has the same right to express their
opinion as anyone else, especially given the fact that BrickLink just notified
the entire userbase yesterday of these impending changes and linked them all
directly to the main thread.
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Fantastic sleuthing! 
If you can find their original account that is being used in the big thread to
bolster the opinion of this duplicate account, please report it.
My point was that one example case -- that may not even be using the two
accounts right now -- should in no way lead to the generalizations and assumptions
laid out in
https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1450285
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| | | | | | | Author: | JuliFee | | Posted: | Jan 25, 2024 14:09 | | Subject: | Re: Merging piece varian is a BIG PROBLEM | | Viewed: | 55 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| | | | | | | Author: | Daz_Hoo | | Posted: | Jan 25, 2024 14:27 | | Subject: | Re: Merging piece varian is a BIG PROBLEM | | Viewed: | 48 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, 1001bricks writes:
| | | | Now, this is a BIG PROBLEM.
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I don't wish to look arrogant or such - but opinion of a 1 Order Member,
sincerely...
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Au contraire! It proves that the issue is THAT important that a newcomer felt
the need to post something about it and let his/her voice heard.
To me, that says something about this proposal.
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| | | | | | | Author: | JuliFee | | Posted: | Jan 25, 2024 14:41 | | Subject: | Re: Merging piece varian is a BIG PROBLEM | | Viewed: | 44 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| I think that far more people have a problem with it than write here. However,
there are perhaps 1,000 or 10,000 people who look at it similarly, but are not
actively working. A problem in the present time.
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| | | | | | | Author: | Familybuild | | Posted: | Jan 25, 2024 15:07 | | Subject: | Re: Merging piece varian is a BIG PROBLEM | | Viewed: | 51 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, 1001bricks writes:
| | | | Now, this is a BIG PROBLEM.
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I don't wish to look arrogant or such - but opinion of a 1 Order Member,
sincerely...
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I think it's perfectly fine to worry about some changes.
I also worry about many things about it, as a seller.
Lots are listed on different locations, how does a merge make it findable again?
It takes loads of time to add required comments.
Also there is currently around 3 weeks+ delay from the incident.
If this change is a Must , why not after all the delays are dealth with; to easy
it for the bricklink team..
This gives more time to work with for sellers (and buyers if they wanna stock
up before the pain of looking trough comments)
Maby even enough time for a script/automated process to add comments to be created.
Ive seen numourus post from sellers who see hudge trouble with commenting there
inventory.
Also "Although im quite new with 1 year" , i do feel the site itself
did not get anything new futures, if you dont count the 2fa after the incident,
taking away from the site therefore sounds to me as it is the wrong move because
of that.
But i do wish to keep sorting the pieces.. i do believe it will increase the
prices automatically ..
So any member with some basic scripting xp, who wants to co op a script or process
for this commenting would be amazing!
Best of luck all
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| | | | | Author: | KACL | | Posted: | Jan 25, 2024 21:20 | | Subject: | Re: Merging piece varian is a BIG PROBLEM | | Viewed: | 65 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, rickcraine writes:
| | Hey, I just am trying to draw to everyone's attention the update Bricklink
is rolling out on February first that will cause several types of pieces to be
merged together under specific listings. For example, slopes that have smooth
and rough sides will no longer be considered different pieces. Now, this is
a BIG PROBLEM. When you are MOCing and you need a specific texture for a, lets
say, roof, and you use the wrong texture, it stands out A LOT. I hope everyone
sees what I am getting to here. If sellers are allowed to combine those two VERY
DIFFERENT variants of pieces, I may need to do several orders to get the actual
pieces I want, and it won't be the sellers fault if they send me a mix of
TWO DISTINCT TYPES OF PIECES. I am new to Bricklink, so maybe this has happened
before, but right now, this seems like it could pose a huge problem. I am sure
the Bricklink Devs had good intentions in mind when they decided to merge these
piece variants, but what they said in their letter to the Sellers, quote, "We
consider them (the piece variants) to be relatively unimportant and cumbersome
from the viewpoint of the Bricklink Marketplace" IS NOT TRUE. Specific things
like the textured variants of pieces DO MATTER. Please spread the word and hopefully
the Bricklink Devs will listen to the community.
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Unfortunately I have not been able to keep up on all of this as much as I would
have liked. I agree that variants are important to some buyers and I definitely
want to update my listings as I don’t want complaints against my shop. Maybe
to most people a slight difference in a part won’t matter but to some it definitely
will. I printed the list today and was amazed at how long it is.If the change
must occur, can we please get an extension on when it will go into effect?
Karen
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| | | | | | | Author: | zorbanj | | Posted: | Jan 25, 2024 22:45 | | Subject: | Re: Merging piece varian is a BIG PROBLEM | | Viewed: | 81 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| It's not nearly as bad as it looks once you dig into the list.
I have 2 monitors. I opened the list on the right monitor and searched my inventory
on the left monitor. Did a copy and past from the list and used asterisks for
the searches. For example, for torsos with ribs I searched using "973p*"
and for the hinges I searched using "teeth". Then i just added the text
in each comments box I had ~ 175 lots and it took about 15 minutes. It's
easier if you use brickstore but I don't.
In Catalog, KACL writes:
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Unfortunately I have not been able to keep up on all of this as much as I would
have liked. I agree that variants are important to some buyers and I definitely
want to update my listings as I don’t want complaints against my shop. Maybe
to most people a slight difference in a part won’t matter but to some it definitely
will. I printed the list today and was amazed at how long it is.If the change
must occur, can we please get an extension on when it will go into effect?
Karen
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | KACL | | Posted: | Jan 26, 2024 01:47 | | Subject: | Re: Merging piece varian is a BIG PROBLEM | | Viewed: | 57 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, zorbanj writes:
| | It's not nearly as bad as it looks once you dig into the list.
I have 2 monitors. I opened the list on the right monitor and searched my inventory
on the left monitor. Did a copy and past from the list and used asterisks for
the searches. For example, for torsos with ribs I searched using "973p*"
and for the hinges I searched using "teeth". Then i just added the text
in each comments box I had ~ 175 lots and it took about 15 minutes. It's
easier if you use brickstore but I don't.
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Thank you. That’s good to hear
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In Catalog, KACL writes:
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Unfortunately I have not been able to keep up on all of this as much as I would
have liked. I agree that variants are important to some buyers and I definitely
want to update my listings as I don’t want complaints against my shop. Maybe
to most people a slight difference in a part won’t matter but to some it definitely
will. I printed the list today and was amazed at how long it is.If the change
must occur, can we please get an extension on when it will go into effect?
Karen
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| | | | | Author: | calebfishn | | Posted: | Jan 27, 2024 21:45 | | Subject: | Re: Merging piece varian is a BIG PROBLEM | | Viewed: | 75 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, rickcraine writes:
| | Hey, I just am trying to draw to everyone's attention the update Bricklink
is rolling out on February first that will cause several types of pieces to be
merged together under specific listings. For example, slopes that have smooth
and rough sides will no longer be considered different pieces. Now, this is
a BIG PROBLEM. When you are MOCing and you need a specific texture for a, lets
say, roof, and you use the wrong texture, it stands out A LOT. I hope everyone
sees what I am getting to here. If sellers are allowed to combine those two VERY
DIFFERENT variants of pieces, I may need to do several orders to get the actual
pieces I want, and it won't be the sellers fault if they send me a mix of
TWO DISTINCT TYPES OF PIECES. I am new to Bricklink, so maybe this has happened
before, but right now, this seems like it could pose a huge problem. I am sure
the Bricklink Devs had good intentions in mind when they decided to merge these
piece variants, but what they said in their letter to the Sellers, quote, "We
consider them (the piece variants) to be relatively unimportant and cumbersome
from the viewpoint of the Bricklink Marketplace" IS NOT TRUE. Specific things
like the textured variants of pieces DO MATTER. Please spread the word and hopefully
the Bricklink Devs will listen to the community.
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Some sellers will continue to separate variants, and indicate the type in the
comments section of the listings. It seems from the comments here that there
are a ton of sellers who are committed to doing this! If you are looking for
a specific variant of a part, such as, "Slope with smooth surface" you
should be able to use the advanced search function to search for all comments
that describe that variant. As the seller will have specified the exact variant
in the comments, you should have an even better chance of getting exactly the
correct variant.
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