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 Author: Zab3uk75 View Messages Posted By Zab3uk75
 Posted: Dec 28, 2023 13:30
 Subject: Castle 6059 Black Knights
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Zab3uk75 (4693)

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Hi, can any one confirm the head gear plumes in this set.
The inventory (Bricklink) shows
Plume feather small 4502a x 1
plume feather large 4502c x 1

The instructions show neither of these (perhaps I have missed them) but does
show
plume feather triple 4502b

Thanks for your help.
 Author: Nubs_Select View Messages Posted By Nubs_Select
 Posted: Dec 28, 2023 13:40
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Yes the full plume wheel is in the set. It has to be taken apart as 1 is needed
for the figure so the rest are normal parts
 Author: SylvainLS View Messages Posted By SylvainLS
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Set No: 6059 Name: Knight's Stronghold
* 		6059-1 (Inv) Knight's Stronghold
206 Parts, 5 Minifigures, 1990
Sets: Castle: Black Knights

In Inventories, Zab3uk75 writes:
  Hi, can any one confirm the head gear plumes in this set.
The inventory (Bricklink) shows
Plume feather small 4502a x 1
plume feather large 4502c x 1

The instructions show neither of these (perhaps I have missed them) but does
show
plume feather triple 4502b

Thanks for your help.

It is used in a minifigure:
 
Minifig No: cas173 Name: Breastplate - Armor over Black, Black Helmet, Dark Gray Visor, Blue 3-Feather Plume
* 		cas173 (Inv) Breastplate - Armor over Black, Black Helmet, Dark Gray Visor, Blue 3-Feather Plume
Minifigures: Castle: Black Falcons

Use the “break minifigure” option to show parts that are used in minifigures
to the inventory.


Now, for the usual question of why the other plumes are in Regular while they
are not used to build the set:

The plumes came together on a sprue:
 
Part No: 4502 Name: Minifigure, Plume Feather Wheel, 3 on Sprue
* 		4502 (Inv) Minifigure, Plume Feather Wheel, 3 on Sprue
Parts: Minifigure, Headgear Accessory
so the sprue should be in Regular.
But as one is already in a minifigure, the sprue is broken and two remaining
plumes go to Regular too.
 Author: marlinjc View Messages Posted By marlinjc
 Posted: Dec 29, 2023 19:22
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It seems the plume feathers that are not used in the minifig are extra parts.
The extra plumes are seldom found with used sets found at sales. Keys in the
Harry Potter set are also confusing in this regard. Other parts like 1x1 round
plates come together and the unused ones are considered extra parts. It does
not seem right that a castle must be listed as incomplete if an unused plume
is not included. This is especially true of black plumes.



In Inventories, Zab3uk75 writes:
  Hi, can any one confirm the head gear plumes in this set.
The inventory (Bricklink) shows
Plume feather small 4502a x 1
plume feather large 4502c x 1

The instructions show neither of these (perhaps I have missed them) but does
show
plume feather triple 4502b

Thanks for your help.
 Author: SezaR View Messages Posted By SezaR
 Posted: Dec 29, 2023 21:27
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In Inventories, marlinjc writes:
  It seems the plume feathers that are not used in the minifig are extra parts.
The extra plumes are seldom found with used sets found at sales. Keys in the
Harry Potter set are also confusing in this regard. Other parts like 1x1 round
plates come together and the unused ones are considered extra parts. It does
not seem right that a castle must be listed as incomplete if an unused plume
is not included.

It can be listed as complete per definition of used complete set:

Complete - Set contains all parts necessary to build all of the models
(including alternate models) in the instructions but does not have to contain
the original box/packaging and/or extra parts. If the set is missing instructions,
the description must list this. If the set did not come with instructions then
the set should include all parts listed in the picture inventory which is located
on the box or bucket. The set must include all original stickers used on the
model either still on the sticker sheet or applied.

https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=102#:~:text=Complete%20%2D%20Contents%20are%20brand%20new,)%20and%20original%20box%2Fpackaging.

This definition does not say "Set contains all parts in the regular
or alternate section".
If the plumes in a castle set are not used in any alternate model, the set can
be listed complete without them.



  This is especially true of black plumes.



In Inventories, Zab3uk75 writes:
  Hi, can any one confirm the head gear plumes in this set.
The inventory (Bricklink) shows
Plume feather small 4502a x 1
plume feather large 4502c x 1

The instructions show neither of these (perhaps I have missed them) but does
show
plume feather triple 4502b

Thanks for your help.