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 Author: Stuart9 View Messages Posted By Stuart9
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I know I’ve raised something about these before but I can’t remember or find
what was discussed.

Not sure admins want any more variations for the catalogue.

How would you list these :

1. Version of door 33.
As 33bc01 but has no holes in the top, has glass and hollow studs.

2. Version of 646.
As 646 but has glass, holes in top, hollow studs and standard lip not extended.

3. Version of 604.
As 604c01 but has no holes in top.
 




 Author: TakeAbricK View Messages Posted By TakeAbricK
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In Catalog Requests, Stuart9 writes:
  I know I’ve raised something about these before but I can’t remember or find
what was discussed.

Not sure admins want any more variations for the catalogue.

How would you list these :

1. Version of door 33.
As 33bc01 but has no holes in the top, has glass and hollow studs.

2. Version of 646.
As 646 but has glass, holes in top, hollow studs and standard lip not extended.

3. Version of 604.
As 604c01 but has no holes in top.

I am working on this already, including more differences. Because we probably
have to split windows and doors from this period, it will take some time though.

Thanks in advance for your patience.

Diana
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Thank you for the update, i suspect it’s a messy project.

I will be very interested to see the results, might be some variations I haven’t
seen before.

Cheers.




In Catalog Requests, TakeAbricK writes:
  In Catalog Requests, Stuart9 writes:
  I know I’ve raised something about these before but I can’t remember or find
what was discussed.

Not sure admins want any more variations for the catalogue.

How would you list these :

1. Version of door 33.
As 33bc01 but has no holes in the top, has glass and hollow studs.

2. Version of 646.
As 646 but has glass, holes in top, hollow studs and standard lip not extended.

3. Version of 604.
As 604c01 but has no holes in top.

I am working on this already, including more differences. Because we probably
have to split windows and doors from this period, it will take some time though.

Thanks in advance for your patience.

Diana
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In Catalog Requests, TakeAbricK writes:
  I am working on this already, including more differences. Because we probably
have to split windows and doors from this period, it will take some time though.

Thanks in advance for your patience.

Diana

I have been looking into these variations some time ago, but sadly I have not
yet been able to complete it. Hopefully this helps you with your puzzle:

The BrickLink catalog basically distinguishes 5 versions:
1956 - long ledge, solid stud, without glass
1956 - long ledge, solid stud, with glass
1958 - long ledge, hollow stud, with glass
1958?? - long ledge, hollow stud, without glass (were these intentional, or are
they incomplete?)
1970 - short ledge, hollow stud, with glass

Many of these do currently not include the full range of doors and windows that
were available in the series. I have included the macro tags below, so the missing
parts will show up without image. Also, several of these include minor variations.

I strongly believe that all parts in these series were released in the same year,
but the catalog inventories are currently a bit confusing. I think the earliest
moulds for these doors and windows made all parts at once. Later (when production
volume increased), each part got their own mould.





Long ledge, solid stud, without glass

 
Part No: 27a Name: Window 1 x 2 x 1 with Extended Lip and Solid Studs, no Glass
* 		27a Window 1 x 2 x 1 with Extended Lip and Solid Studs, no Glass
Parts: Window
 
Part No: 29a Name: Window 1 x 1 x 2 with Extended Lip and Solid Stud, no Glass
* 		29a Window 1 x 1 x 2 with Extended Lip and Solid Stud, no Glass
Parts: Window
 
Part No: 31a Name: Window 1 x 3 x 2 with Extended Lip and Solid Studs, no Glass
* 		31a Window 1 x 3 x 2 with Extended Lip and Solid Studs, no Glass
Parts: Window
 
Part No: 32a Name: Door 1 x 2 x 3 Left with Solid Studs, without Glass
* 		32a Door 1 x 2 x 3 Left with Solid Studs, without Glass
Parts: Door
 
Part No: 33a Name: Door 1 x 2 x 3 Right with Solid Studs, without Glass
* 		33a Door 1 x 2 x 3 Right with Solid Studs, without Glass
Parts: Door
 
Part No: 39a Name: Window 1 x 1 x 1 with Extended Lip and Solid Stud, no Glass
* 		39a Window 1 x 1 x 1 with Extended Lip and Solid Stud, no Glass
Parts: Window
 
Part No: 453a Name: Window 1 x 4 x 2 with Extended Lip and Solid Studs, no Glass
* 		453a Window 1 x 4 x 2 with Extended Lip and Solid Studs, no Glass
Parts: Window
 
Part No: 604a Name: Window 1 x 6 x 3 Panorama with Solid Studs, no Glass
* 		604a Window 1 x 6 x 3 Panorama with Solid Studs, no Glass
Parts: Window
 
Part No: 645a Name: Window 1 x 6 x 2 with Extended Lip and Solid Studs, no Glass
* 		645a Window 1 x 6 x 2 with Extended Lip and Solid Studs, no Glass
Parts: Window
 
Part No: 646a Name: Window 1 x 6 x 2 with Shutters with Extended Lip and Solid Studs, no Glass
  		646a Window 1 x 6 x 2 with Shutters with Extended Lip and Solid Studs, no Glass
Parts: Window
 
Part No: 7026a Name: Window 1 x 2 x 2 with Extended Lip and Hole in Top and Solid Studs, no Glass
* 		7026a Window 1 x 2 x 2 with Extended Lip and Hole in Top and Solid Studs, no Glass
Parts: Window

Date: 1956
Material: CA
Studs: Solid
Glass: Without
Lip/ledge: Extended
Prongs (between studs): Without groove
Pins and hole in top (to mount the glass): Pins for glass on the inside are unbroken,
no glue remains.
Remarks: Sold in Denmark only


Date: 1956/7?
Material: CA
Studs: Solid
Glass: Is there a version without glass that was moulded without pins (pins
removed?)
Lip/ledge: Extended
Prongs (between studs): Without groove
Pins and hole in top (to mount the glass): Pins removed from mould
Remarks: Was this version sold in Denmark, or only made to be released with
glass?



Long ledge, solid stud, with glass

 
Part No: 27ac01 Name: Window 1 x 2 x 1 with Extended Lip and Solid Studs, with Fixed Glass
* 		27ac01 Window 1 x 2 x 1 with Extended Lip and Solid Studs, with Fixed Glass
Parts: Window
 
Part No: 29ac01 Name: Window 1 x 1 x 2 with Extended Lip and Solid Stud, with Fixed Glass
* 		29ac01 Window 1 x 1 x 2 with Extended Lip and Solid Stud, with Fixed Glass
Parts: Window
 
Part No: 31ac01 Name: Window 1 x 3 x 2 with Extended Lip and Solid Studs, with Fixed Glass
* 		31ac01 Window 1 x 3 x 2 with Extended Lip and Solid Studs, with Fixed Glass
Parts: Window
 
Part No: 32ac01 Name: Door 1 x 2 x 3 Hinge on Left with Solid Studs and Fixed Glass
* 		32ac01 Door 1 x 2 x 3 Hinge on Left with Solid Studs and Fixed Glass
Parts: Door
 
Part No: 33ac01 Name: Door 1 x 2 x 3 Hinge on Right with Solid Studs and Fixed Glass
* 		33ac01 Door 1 x 2 x 3 Hinge on Right with Solid Studs and Fixed Glass
Parts: Door
 
Part No: 39ac01 Name: Window 1 x 1 x 1 with Extended Lip and Solid Stud, with Fixed Glass
* 		39ac01 Window 1 x 1 x 1 with Extended Lip and Solid Stud, with Fixed Glass
Parts: Window
 
Part No: 453ac01 Name: Window 1 x 4 x 2 with Extended Lip and Solid Studs, with Fixed Glass
* 		453ac01 Window 1 x 4 x 2 with Extended Lip and Solid Studs, with Fixed Glass
Parts: Window
 
Part No: 604ac01 Name: Window 1 x 6 x 3 Panorama with Solid Studs and Fixed Glass
* 		604ac01 Window 1 x 6 x 3 Panorama with Solid Studs and Fixed Glass
Parts: Window
 
Part No: 645ac01 Name: Window 1 x 6 x 2 with Extended Lip and Solid Studs, with Fixed Glass
* 		645ac01 Window 1 x 6 x 2 with Extended Lip and Solid Studs, with Fixed Glass
Parts: Window
 
Part No: 646ac01 Name: Window 1 x 6 x 2 with Shutters with Extended Lip and Solid Studs, with Fixed Glass
* 		646ac01 Window 1 x 6 x 2 with Shutters with Extended Lip and Solid Studs, with Fixed Glass
Parts: Window
 
Part No: 7026ac01 Name: Window 1 x 2 x 2 with Extended Lip and Solid Studs, with Fixed Glass
* 		7026ac01 Window 1 x 2 x 2 with Extended Lip and Solid Studs, with Fixed Glass
Parts: Window

Date: 1956
Material: CA
Studs: Solid
Glass: With
Lip/ledge: Extended
Prongs (between studs): Without groove
Pins and hole in top (to mount the glass): Glass inserted in hole in top, placed
on pins and glued on underside.
Remarks: Were the earliest windows already glued, or initially only mounted
on the pins?


Date: 1956/7?
Material: CA
Studs: Solid
Glass: Glass inserted in hole in top, glued on underside. Pins removed from mould,
but glass still with holes.
Lip/ledge: Extended
Prongs (between studs): Without groove
Pins and hole in top (to mount the glass): Pins removed from mould



Long ledge, hollow stud, with glass

 
Part No: 27bc01 Name: Window 1 x 2 x 1 with Extended Lip with Trans-Clear Glass
* 		27bc01 (Inv) Window 1 x 2 x 1 with Extended Lip with Trans-Clear Glass
Parts: Window
 
Part No: 29bc01 Name: Window 1 x 1 x 2 with Extended Lip, with Glass
* 		29bc01 Window 1 x 1 x 2 with Extended Lip, with Glass
Parts: Window
 
Part No: 31bc01 Name: Window 1 x 3 x 2 with Extended Lip, with Glass
* 		31bc01 Window 1 x 3 x 2 with Extended Lip, with Glass
Parts: Window
 
Part No: 32bc01 Name: Door 1 x 2 x 3 Hinge on Left with Trans-Clear Glass
* 		32bc01 Door 1 x 2 x 3 Hinge on Left with Trans-Clear Glass
Parts: Door
 
Part No: 33bc01 Name: Door 1 x 2 x 3 Hinge on Right with Trans-Clear Glass
* 		33bc01 Door 1 x 2 x 3 Hinge on Right with Trans-Clear Glass
Parts: Door
 
Part No: 39bc01 Name: Window 1 x 1 x 1 with Extended Lip, with Trans-Clear Glass
* 		39bc01 Window 1 x 1 x 1 with Extended Lip, with Trans-Clear Glass
Parts: Window
 
Part No: 453bc01 Name: Window 1 x 4 x 2 with Extended Lip, with Glass
* 		453bc01 (Inv) Window 1 x 4 x 2 with Extended Lip, with Glass
Parts: Window
[p=604bc01]
 
Part No: 645bc01 Name: Window 1 x 6 x 2 with Extended Lip, with Glass
* 		645bc01 Window 1 x 6 x 2 with Extended Lip, with Glass
Parts: Window
 
Part No: 646bc01 Name: Window 1 x 6 x 2 with Shutters with Extended Lip, with Glass
* 		646bc01 Window 1 x 6 x 2 with Shutters with Extended Lip, with Glass
Parts: Window
 
Part No: 7026bc01 Name: Window 1 x 2 x 2 with Extended Lip, with Glass, Hole in Top
* 		7026bc01 (Inv) Window 1 x 2 x 2 with Extended Lip, with Glass, Hole in Top
Parts: Window

Date: 1958
Material: CA
Studs: Hollow
Glass: Glass inserted in hole in top, glued on underside.
Lip/ledge: Extended
Prongs (between studs): Without groove
Pins and hole in top (to mount the glass): Pins removed from mould


Date: 196x (1963)
Material: ABS
Studs: Hollow
Glass: Glass inserted in hole in top, glued on underside.
Lip/ledge: Extended
Prongs (between studs): Without groove
Pins and hole in top (to mount the glass): No pins inside the window, hole in
top remains.

Date: 196x
Material: ABS
Studs: Hollow
Glass: Glass inserted in hole in top, glued on underside.
Lip/ledge: Extended
Prongs (between studs): With groove
Pins and hole in top (to mount the glass): No pins inside the window, hole in
top remains.


Long ledge, hollow stud, without glass

I am not sure yet where the version without glass fits in. All of these might
simply be incomplete parts, missing their glass. I have seen no proof that any
of these was actually used in sets.
 
Part No: 27b Name: Window 1 x 2 x 1 with Extended Lip
* 		27b Window 1 x 2 x 1 with Extended Lip
Parts: Window
 
Part No: 29b Name: Window 1 x 1 x 2 with Extended Lip, no Glass
* 		29b Window 1 x 1 x 2 with Extended Lip, no Glass
Parts: Window
 
Part No: 31b Name: Window 1 x 3 x 2 with Extended Lip and Hollow Studs
* 		31b Window 1 x 3 x 2 with Extended Lip and Hollow Studs
Parts: Window
 
Part No: 32b Name: Door 1 x 2 x 3 Hinge on Left, without Glass
* 		32b Door 1 x 2 x 3 Hinge on Left, without Glass
Parts: Door
 
Part No: 33b Name: Door 1 x 2 x 3 Hinge on Right, without Glass
* 		33b Door 1 x 2 x 3 Hinge on Right, without Glass
Parts: Door
Marked for Deletion
 
Part No: 39b Name: Window 1 x 1 x 1 with Extended Lip, no Glass
* 		39b Window 1 x 1 x 1 with Extended Lip, no Glass
Parts: Window
 
Part No: 453b Name: Window 1 x 4 x 2 with Extended Lip, no Glass
* 		453b Window 1 x 4 x 2 with Extended Lip, no Glass
Parts: Window
[p=604b]
[p=645b]
 
Part No: 646b Name: Window 1 x 6 x 2 with Shutters with Extended Lip, no Glass
* 		646b Window 1 x 6 x 2 with Shutters with Extended Lip, no Glass
Parts: Window
 
Part No: 7026b Name: Window 1 x 2 x 2 with Extended Lip and Hole in Top, no Glass
* 		7026b Window 1 x 2 x 2 with Extended Lip and Hole in Top, no Glass
Parts: Window


Short ledge, hollow stud, with glass

 
Part No: 27c01 Name: Window 1 x 2 x 1 with Trans-Clear Glass (27 / 27glass)
* 		27c01 (Inv) Window 1 x 2 x 1 with Trans-Clear Glass (27 / 27glass)
Parts: Window
 
Part No: 29c01 Name: Window 1 x 1 x 2 with Trans-Clear Glass (29 / 29glass)
* 		29c01 (Inv) Window 1 x 1 x 2 with Trans-Clear Glass (29 / 29glass)
Parts: Window
[p=31c01]
[p=32c01]
[p=33c01]
 
Part No: 39c01 Name: Window 1 x 1 x 1 with Trans-Clear Glass (39 / 39glass)
* 		39c01 Window 1 x 1 x 1 with Trans-Clear Glass (39 / 39glass)
Parts: Window
[p=453c01]
 
Part No: 604c01 Name: Window 1 x 6 x 3 Panorama with Glass
* 		604c01 Window 1 x 6 x 3 Panorama with Glass
Parts: Window
[p=645c01]
[p=646c01]
[p=7026c01]


Date: 197x
Material: ABS
Studs: Hollow
Glass: Glass inserted in hole in top, glued on underside.
Lip/ledge: Short
Prongs (between studs): With groove
Pins and hole in top (to mount the glass): No pins inside the window, hole in
top remains.

Date: 197x
Material: ABS
Studs: Hollow
Glass: Glass glued
Lip/ledge: Short
Prongs (between studs): With groove
Pins and hole in top (to mount the glass): No pins inside the window, no hole
in top.
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In Catalog Requests, WoutR writes:

  Long ledge, hollow stud, without glass

I am not sure yet where the version without glass fits in. All of these might
simply be incomplete parts, missing their glass. I have seen no proof that any
of these was actually used in sets.

Reading the Catalog notes, these could be part of Samsonite assemblies. Apparently,
they came with unglued windows.

Then there would be a
- glued version (production in Europe)
- unglued version (production in North America), as an assembly containing:
---- version without window (production in North America)
---- unassembled window (production in North America)
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In Catalog Requests, WoutR writes:
  In Catalog Requests, WoutR writes:

  Long ledge, hollow stud, without glass

I am not sure yet where the version without glass fits in. All of these might
simply be incomplete parts, missing their glass. I have seen no proof that any
of these was actually used in sets.

Reading the Catalog notes, these could be part of Samsonite assemblies. Apparently,
they came with unglued windows.

Then there would be a
- glued version (production in Europe)
- unglued version (production in North America), as an assembly containing:
---- version without window (production in North America)
---- unassembled window (production in North America)

Thanks Wouter, but I already researched everything and I am working on it.

Diana
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In Catalog Requests, TakeAbricK writes:
  In Catalog Requests, WoutR writes:
  In Catalog Requests, WoutR writes:

  Long ledge, hollow stud, without glass

I am not sure yet where the version without glass fits in. All of these might
simply be incomplete parts, missing their glass. I have seen no proof that any
of these was actually used in sets.

Reading the Catalog notes, these could be part of Samsonite assemblies. Apparently,
they came with unglued windows.

Then there would be a
- glued version (production in Europe)
- unglued version (production in North America), as an assembly containing:
---- version without window (production in North America)
---- unassembled window (production in North America)

Thanks Wouter, but I already researched everything and I am working on it.

Diana

I expected so,
but I thought I'd better share waht I found in case I noticed variants that
you did not know yet.