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 | | | Author: | MadiganStation  | | Posted: | Oct 24, 2023 14:16 | | Subject: | $50,000+ Of Fake Deadpools Sold On BrickLink | | Viewed: | 459 times | | Topic: | General | |
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| I know this is a VERY uncomfortable conversation to have for a lot of sellers
on BrickLink, but it has to be addressed!
The vast majority of Deadpool (SH032) figures sold through BrickLink over the
last 5+ years have been Fake/Reprinted. If you bought any in that time frame,
look at these pictures to determine if your figure is genuine.
The figures seem to be printed on "official" Lego parts, though the parts
may not have been produced legitimately, as was addressed by Russel recently
on the topic of questionable torsos flooding the market.
Also, there is precedent for VERY high quality fake prints hitting the market,
which was also addressed by Russel when the email came out about the fake Luke
and C3PO figures.
If the forum downgrades the image quality when they are uploaded, just message
me and I can send higher quality images directly.
Nate
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| | | | | Author: | UTLF | | Posted: | Oct 24, 2023 15:08 | | Subject: | (Cancelled) | | Viewed: | 105 times | | Topic: | General | |
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| | | | | | | Author: | StarBrick | | Posted: | Oct 24, 2023 15:11 | | Subject: | Re: $50,000+ Of Fake Deadpools Sold On BrickLink | | Viewed: | 77 times | | Topic: | General | |
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| +1
thanks for that small backlog on recent events 
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| | | | | | | Author: | musen2100 | | Posted: | Oct 25, 2023 02:29 | | Subject: | Re: $50,000+ Of Fake Deadpools Sold On BrickLink | | Viewed: | 66 times | | Topic: | General | |
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| In General, UTLF writes:
| | One seller with 1,000 Joker minifigures from the most recent UCS Tumbler and
[...]
1,000 of the same set to only sell 1 minifig at a loss
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Didn't Bricklink investigate this? If I remember correctly, Bricklink closed
the store, but reopened it again, because there was nothing suspicious. I think
(hope) Bricklink would require definite proof that those 1000 Jokers were obtained
legitimately.
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | Nubs_Select | | Posted: | Oct 25, 2023 02:48 | | Subject: | Re: $50,000+ Of Fake Deadpools Sold On BrickLink | | Viewed: | 64 times | | Topic: | General | |
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| In General, musen2100 writes:
| | In General, UTLF writes:
| | One seller with 1,000 Joker minifigures from the most recent UCS Tumbler and
[...]
1,000 of the same set to only sell 1 minifig at a loss
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Didn't Bricklink investigate this? If I remember correctly, Bricklink closed
the store, but reopened it again, because there was nothing suspicious. I think
(hope) Bricklink would require definite proof that those 1000 Jokers were obtained
legitimately.
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+1 bricklink checked and confirmed it was all good and the store reopened and
they still have some for sale. 0 issues involved at all otherwise they likely
wouldn’t have been able to reopen. To this day I still see a few stores here
and there get closed temporarily with the note to contact an admin. The one thing
in common is they have high qty of figures/figure parts but in the end they all
(or most) open back up within a few days
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| | | | | Author: | StarBrick | | Posted: | Oct 24, 2023 15:09 | | Subject: | Re: $50,000+ Of Fake Deadpools Sold On BrickLink | | Viewed: | 103 times | | Topic: | General | |
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| That's quite a bold statement, isn't it?
Of all the SH032's sold, can you determine what were genuine and what were
not?
When I see one store with 47 of them NEW, I scratch my head and walk away from
it.
I agree something needs to be done to make people aware of this, but as long
as this is a relative 'open' market with a great lack of regulation besides
catalog stuff not compliant with TLG policies, nothing you are hoping for will
happen I'm afraid.
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| | | | | Author: | PlanetEarthToys | | Posted: | Oct 24, 2023 15:14 | | Subject: | Re: $50,000+ Of Fake Deadpools Sold On BrickLink | | Viewed: | 97 times | | Topic: | General | |
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| In General, MadiganStation writes:
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The vast majority of Deadpool (SH032) figures sold through BrickLink over the
last 5+ years have been Fake/Reprinted.
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prove your claim
or else what you just did is Public Defamation towards ANY/ALL seller who has
/ or has sold a Deadpool figure in the past 5 years or currently has 1 for sale
or plans to sell 1 in the future.
so go right ahead.. PROVE what you just claimed .. that "The vast majority
of Deadpool (SH032) figures sold through BrickLink over the last 5+ years have
been Fake/Reprinted"
i haven't sold any, have none for sale, but might encounter 1 in the future
to sell...
your "in general" trash-talking about BL Sellers is low-grade...
good luck
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| | | | | | | Author: | MadiganStation | | Posted: | Oct 24, 2023 15:43 | | Subject: | Re: $50,000+ Of Fake Deadpools Sold On BrickLink | | Viewed: | 90 times | | Topic: | General | |
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| Stop listed me huh? I was going to message you directly to keep things civilized,
but I guess you aren't interested in having a civilized conversation.
In General, PlanetEarthToys writes:
| | In General, MadiganStation writes:
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The vast majority of Deadpool (SH032) figures sold through BrickLink over the
last 5+ years have been Fake/Reprinted.
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prove your claim
or else what you just did is Public Defamation towards ANY/ALL seller who has
/ or has sold a Deadpool figure in the past 5 years or currently has 1 for sale
or plans to sell 1 in the future.
so go right ahead.. PROVE what you just claimed .. that "The vast majority
of Deadpool (SH032) figures sold through BrickLink over the last 5+ years have
been Fake/Reprinted"
i haven't sold any, have none for sale, but might encounter 1 in the future
to sell...
your "in general" trash-talking about BL Sellers is low-grade...
good luck
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | PlanetEarthToys | | Posted: | Oct 24, 2023 16:07 | | Subject: | Re: $50,000+ Of Fake Deadpools Sold On BrickLink | | Viewed: | 78 times | | Topic: | General | |
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| In General, MadiganStation writes:
| | Stop listed me huh? I was going to message you directly to keep things civilized,
but I guess you aren't interested in having a civilized conversation.
In General, PlanetEarthToys writes:
| | In General, MadiganStation writes:
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The vast majority of Deadpool (SH032) figures sold through BrickLink over the
last 5+ years have been Fake/Reprinted.
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prove your claim
or else what you just did is Public Defamation towards ANY/ALL seller who has
/ or has sold a Deadpool figure in the past 5 years or currently has 1 for sale
or plans to sell 1 in the future.
so go right ahead.. PROVE what you just claimed .. that "The vast majority
of Deadpool (SH032) figures sold through BrickLink over the last 5+ years have
been Fake/Reprinted"
i haven't sold any, have none for sale, but might encounter 1 in the future
to sell...
your "in general" trash-talking about BL Sellers is low-grade...
good luck
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you should avoid the issue of you proving your claim & focus on you not being
able to buy from me now because you stand around talking trash about me & everyone
else...
why prove or even address your claim that anyone who has sold 1 of therse figures
or will in the future is now under scrutiny & being referenced as a bad seller
who sells fake parts....
there are more important things to discuss.. like you getting Stop-Listed for
your actions.
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| | | | | Author: | WoutR | | Posted: | Oct 24, 2023 15:28 | | Subject: | Re: $50,000+ Of Fake Deadpools Sold On BrickLink | | Viewed: | 84 times | | Topic: | General | |
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| In General, MadiganStation writes:
| | I know this is a VERY uncomfortable conversation to have for a lot of sellers
on BrickLink, but it has to be addressed!
The vast majority of Deadpool (SH032) figures sold through BrickLink over the
last 5+ years have been Fake/Reprinted. If you bought any in that time frame,
look at these pictures to determine if your figure is genuine.
The figures seem to be printed on "official" Lego parts, though the parts
may not have been produced legitimately, as was addressed by Russel recently
on the topic of questionable torsos flooding the market.
Also, there is precedent for VERY high quality fake prints hitting the market,
which was also addressed by Russel when the email came out about the fake Luke
and C3PO figures.
If the forum downgrades the image quality when they are uploaded, just message
me and I can send higher quality images directly.
Nate
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As far as I know, LEGO has confirmed that that torso variation is real. There
was a message about that on this forum earlier.
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| | | | | | | Author: | MadiganStation | | Posted: | Oct 24, 2023 15:33 | | Subject: | Re: $50,000+ Of Fake Deadpools Sold On BrickLink | | Viewed: | 111 times | | Topic: | General | |
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| In General, WoutR writes:
| | In General, MadiganStation writes:
| | I know this is a VERY uncomfortable conversation to have for a lot of sellers
on BrickLink, but it has to be addressed!
The vast majority of Deadpool (SH032) figures sold through BrickLink over the
last 5+ years have been Fake/Reprinted. If you bought any in that time frame,
look at these pictures to determine if your figure is genuine.
The figures seem to be printed on "official" Lego parts, though the parts
may not have been produced legitimately, as was addressed by Russel recently
on the topic of questionable torsos flooding the market.
Also, there is precedent for VERY high quality fake prints hitting the market,
which was also addressed by Russel when the email came out about the fake Luke
and C3PO figures.
If the forum downgrades the image quality when they are uploaded, just message
me and I can send higher quality images directly.
Nate
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As far as I know, LEGO has confirmed that that torso variation is real. There
was a message about that on this forum earlier.
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| | | | | Author: | MadiganStation | | Posted: | Oct 24, 2023 16:11 | | Subject: | Re: $50,000+ Of Fake Deadpools Sold On BrickLink | | Viewed: | 84 times | | Topic: | General | |
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| Point of clarification. I do not believe that the vast majority of sellers are
KNOWINGLY selling fake Deadpool figures, there are probably only a handful of
bad actors that created this situation over the years. Unfortunately, something
like this spreads like a virus.
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| | | | | | | Author: | PlanetEarthToys | | Posted: | Oct 24, 2023 16:16 | | Subject: | Re: $50,000+ Of Fake Deadpools Sold On BrickLink | | Viewed: | 70 times | | Topic: | General | |
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| In General, MadiganStation writes:
| | Point of clarification. I do not believe that the vast majority of sellers are
KNOWINGLY selling fake Deadpool figures, there are probably only a handful of
bad actors that created this situation over the years. Unfortunately, something
like this spreads like a virus.
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have you verified these supposed 'fake figures' are ONLY being sold on
BL.. ?
have you done ANY sort of research into Ebay, Amazon, Etsy, or any of the hundreds
of other sites where sellers can sell Lego...?
you haven't proven anything except you blame BL sellers for your own assumptions.
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| | | | | Author: | Ra | | Posted: | Oct 24, 2023 16:36 | | Subject: | Re: $50,000+ Of Fake Deadpools Sold On BrickLink | | Viewed: | 75 times | | Topic: | General | |
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| Russell confirmed the torsos were real not fakes and that was direct from TLG...
so fake news
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| | | | | | | Author: | MadiganStation | | Posted: | Oct 24, 2023 16:43 | | Subject: | Re: $50,000+ Of Fake Deadpools Sold On BrickLink | | Viewed: | 93 times | | Topic: | General | |
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| Please read the rest of the thread, I addressed this already. These fakes are
printed on "official" Lego parts. I even included a screenshot of Russels
comment.
When you post something like "fake news", it can absolutely nuke a thread.
And this is a serious issue that needs to be discussed.
In General, ZorBeast writes:
| | Russell confirmed the torsos were real not fakes and that was direct from TLG...
so fake news
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | PlanetEarthToys | | Posted: | Oct 24, 2023 16:54 | | Subject: | Re: $50,000+ Of Fake Deadpools Sold On BrickLink | | Viewed: | 71 times | | Topic: | General | |
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| In General, MadiganStation writes:
| | Please read the rest of the thread, I addressed this already. These fakes are
printed on "official" Lego parts. I even included a screenshot of Russels
comment.
When you post something like "fake news", it can absolutely nuke a thread.
And this is a serious issue that needs to be discussed.
In General, ZorBeast writes:
| | Russell confirmed the torsos were real not fakes and that was direct from TLG...
so fake news
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*states there are "fake" lego figures being sold without proof, Lego
Admin's already confirmed the opposite, then complains his thread talking
trash about everyone who sells on here is getting nuked by facts & proof*
see how having proof works... it *cough* .. proves something.
how do you know ANY of what you are saying is true...?
everynoe is still waiting for your PROOF...
but here's something for that hole you are digging while we wait
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | UTLF | | Posted: | Oct 24, 2023 16:56 | | Subject: | (Cancelled) | | Viewed: | 74 times | | Topic: | General | |
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | Ra | | Posted: | Oct 24, 2023 16:55 | | Subject: | Re: $50,000+ Of Fake Deadpools Sold On BrickLink | | Viewed: | 58 times | | Topic: | General | |
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| | And when you post wrong information you feel is right is the same unjust perspective. |
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | Ra | | Posted: | Oct 24, 2023 16:56 | | Subject: | Re: $50,000+ Of Fake Deadpools Sold On BrickLink | | Viewed: | 57 times | | Topic: | General | |
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| | So you are the sole expert on lego autheticity.... sure |
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| | | | | Author: | runner.caller | | Posted: | Oct 24, 2023 17:09 | | Subject: | Re: $50,000+ Of Fake Deadpools Sold On BrickLink | | Viewed: | 91 times | | Topic: | General | |
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| In General, MadiganStation writes:
| | I know this is a VERY uncomfortable conversation to have for a lot of sellers
on BrickLink, but it has to be addressed!
The vast majority of Deadpool (SH032) figures sold through BrickLink over the
last 5+ years have been Fake/Reprinted. If you bought any in that time frame,
look at these pictures to determine if your figure is genuine.
The figures seem to be printed on "official" Lego parts, though the parts
may not have been produced legitimately, as was addressed by Russel recently
on the topic of questionable torsos flooding the market.
Also, there is precedent for VERY high quality fake prints hitting the market,
which was also addressed by Russel when the email came out about the fake Luke
and C3PO figures.
If the forum downgrades the image quality when they are uploaded, just message
me and I can send higher quality images directly.
Nate
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The two points that validate this argument the most are when you couple the torso
mold types with the same torsos that have print discrepancies.
1. From Admin Russel. "From our community members' analysis on the
external side, they NEVER found ONE example among HUNDREDS of
minifigures tested that had come from official sets"
2. So if the print error/discrepancies are indeed showing up on the torso molds
that aren't found in official sets, I'd say that is cause for concern.
The picture evidence provided by you + the study from the community expert analysis
points towards a potential issue.
We need more data, which is probably what you were attempting to procure by having
people that may have bought a deadpool check theirs against the pics after reading
this.
Even with more data, I'm not sure BL would have enough cause to act since
they already require sellers to make sure their parts are authentic.
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| | | | | | | Author: | Ra | | Posted: | Oct 24, 2023 17:35 | | Subject: | Re: $50,000+ Of Fake Deadpools Sold On BrickLink | | Viewed: | 58 times | | Topic: | General | |
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| | Even the best copies i have seen using lego torsos they ground off the lego logo |
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| | | | | Author: | Cob | | Posted: | Oct 24, 2023 17:24 | | Subject: | Re: $50,000+ Of Fake Deadpools Sold On BrickLink | | Viewed: | 78 times | | Topic: | General | |
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| How did you get $50,000?
In the last 6 months
87 new sold at $50 = $4,350
177 used sold at $33 = $5,800
At the last 6 month rate every Deadpool sold would have to have been fake for
the last 2.5 years.
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | Tracyd | | Posted: | Oct 24, 2023 17:45 | | Subject: | Re: $50,000+ Of Fake Deadpools Sold On BrickLink | | Viewed: | 87 times | | Topic: | General | |
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| In General, UTLF writes:
| | | | At the last 6 month rate every Deadpool sold would have to have been fake for the last 2.5 years.
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Not saying that every single one has been fake, but the minifigure is 10+ yrs
old so stock should be running low; how do 2 sellers have ~50 each?
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Technically they aren't fake. The parts are real and verified. The printing
is custom so wouldn't they be more of a bootleg?
Unpopular opinion. There isn't much that can be done unless Bricklink started
requiring proof of purchase for everything listed on Bricklink. And I don't
know about you, but I don't have the receipts for the sets I received as
a kid so I can't prove they are real. And if you say I am being factious
I am a little, but where is the line drawn? At what point do they have to require
proof? Is it only figures? Is it based on # of figures? Value of figures? Not
fair to require retroactive proof so anything listed would be grandfathered in.
Also they will just shift to selling on FB Marketplace and Ebay and Amazon.
Will you be upset if I post a couple of hundred Green Army Men from Toy Story?
They were only in one set. And yes I do have that many, purchased from Target,
Wal-Mart and Bricklink. No I don't have proof at this point.
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | peregrinator | | Posted: | Oct 24, 2023 17:58 | | Subject: | Re: $50,000+ Of Fake Deadpools Sold On BrickLink | | Viewed: | 67 times | | Topic: | General | |
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| In General, Tracyd writes:
| | Unpopular opinion. There isn't much that can be done unless Bricklink started
requiring proof of purchase for everything listed on Bricklink. And I don't
know about you, but I don't have the receipts for the sets I received as
a kid so I can't prove they are real. And if you say I am being factious
I am a little, but where is the line drawn? At what point do they have to require
proof? Is it only figures? Is it based on # of figures? Value of figures? Not
fair to require retroactive proof so anything listed would be grandfathered in.
Also they will just shift to selling on FB Marketplace and Ebay and Amazon.
Will you be upset if I post a couple of hundred Green Army Men from Toy Story?
They were only in one set. And yes I do have that many, purchased from Target,
Wal-Mart and Bricklink. No I don't have proof at this point.
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As I recall the last time the alarm was sounded over this (not Deadpool specifically,
but maybe some SW or Joker figures) the seller whose store was briefly suspended
produced receipts from BrickLink - he had accumulated many multiples of figures
by buying them from other sellers. So I don't think it's weird that a
given seller might have 50+ of a certain minifigure 10 years after it was released.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | MadiganStation | | Posted: | Oct 24, 2023 18:06 | | Subject: | Re: $50,000+ Of Fake Deadpools Sold On BrickLink | | Viewed: | 72 times | | Topic: | General | |
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| My argument is in no way based on how large of quantity of the figure a seller
has, it never has been about that. But this discussion always seems to push in
that direction, that’s not what I am saying.
Now, if we want to talk about numbers in context of how many of the other two
exclusive figures in that set have sold over the same time, I would be interested
in having that discussion. That would take cooperation from BrickLink themselves
on getting access to those sales numbers over the past 10 years though…
In General, peregrinator writes:
| | In General, Tracyd writes:
| | Unpopular opinion. There isn't much that can be done unless Bricklink started
requiring proof of purchase for everything listed on Bricklink. And I don't
know about you, but I don't have the receipts for the sets I received as
a kid so I can't prove they are real. And if you say I am being factious
I am a little, but where is the line drawn? At what point do they have to require
proof? Is it only figures? Is it based on # of figures? Value of figures? Not
fair to require retroactive proof so anything listed would be grandfathered in.
Also they will just shift to selling on FB Marketplace and Ebay and Amazon.
Will you be upset if I post a couple of hundred Green Army Men from Toy Story?
They were only in one set. And yes I do have that many, purchased from Target,
Wal-Mart and Bricklink. No I don't have proof at this point.
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As I recall the last time the alarm was sounded over this (not Deadpool specifically,
but maybe some SW or Joker figures) the seller whose store was briefly suspended
produced receipts from BrickLink - he had accumulated many multiples of figures
by buying them from other sellers. So I don't think it's weird that a
given seller might have 50+ of a certain minifigure 10 years after it was released.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Brockmeister | | Posted: | Oct 24, 2023 18:49 | | Subject: | Re: $50,000+ Of Fake Deadpools Sold On BrickLink | | Viewed: | 75 times | | Topic: | General | |
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| In General, MadiganStation writes:
| | My argument is in no way based on how large of quantity of the figure a seller
has, it never has been about that. But this discussion always seems to push in
that direction, that’s not what I am saying.
Now, if we want to talk about numbers in context of how many of the other two
exclusive figures in that set have sold over the same time, I would be interested
in having that discussion. That would take cooperation from BrickLink themselves
on getting access to those sales numbers over the past 10 years though…
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This was one of the first sets I parted out when starting to experiment with
NEW Minifigures and Parts around 2011-2012. At the time, I lived less than 10
minutes from a LEGO brand store. I parted out at least 15 copies of this set,
because it was a quick and easy ROI (return on investment). ALL of Deadpool’s
I put into the BrickLink supply chain were 100% authentic. And I was a very
amateur Seller back then, so imagine how many copies were parted out by larger
Sellers. Also keep in mind that some Sellers are more savvy about archiving
inventory and waiting for the future when prices skyrocket. While I can appreciate
the pictures, points, and information you provided- the jury is still ‘out’ for
me. I agree that getting access to the sales numbers for the past 10+ years
might be helpful. But also remember that LEGO may have produced 20,000 or more
copies of this set. That’s a LOT of Deadpool’s to go around. This is just my
perspective, so take from it what you will.
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | MadiganStation | | Posted: | Oct 24, 2023 19:54 | | Subject: | Re: $50,000+ Of Fake Deadpools Sold On BrickLink | | Viewed: | 55 times | | Topic: | General | |
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| Bootleg = Fake in this context. The figures are being produced (printed) by someone
other than Lego, but are being sold as a genuine Lego produced product.
The differences in printing are easy to spot once you know what to look for.
This isn't aimed at you specifically, but I really am kind of baffled as
to why everyone seems to be ignoring the obvious issues with the prints/parts
to keep diving down the quantity of figures rabbit hole.
| | Technically they aren't fake. The parts are real and verified. The printing
is custom so wouldn't they be more of a bootleg?
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Nubs_Select | | Posted: | Oct 24, 2023 20:04 | | Subject: | Re: $50,000+ Of Fake Deadpools Sold On BrickLink | | Viewed: | 57 times | | Topic: | General | |
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| | | The differences in printing are easy to spot once you know what to look for.
This isn't aimed at you specifically, but I really am kind of baffled as
to why everyone seems to be ignoring the obvious issues with the prints/parts
to keep diving down the quantity of figures rabbit hole.
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its because we know lego print quality can and does vary and its quite possible
it got a redesign at some point so when considering the implications of someone
custom printing at home it would instantly destroy the ENTIRE market for figures
that don't have exclusive molds as then any figure could have been custom
printed so they might have just messed up on this one but the others they got
right which could put many many people out of work/partial income if they sell
Minifigures so with everything taken into consideration its a bit baffling some
people (not at your directly its happened before) just think due to some slight
mold and print variations it was printed but someone in their basement instead
of by lego who might have made test batches that weren't up to quality/first
designs which then hit the market one way or another. until someone can provide
actual evidence that would hold up in court that someone is printing them at
home most (myself included) wont believe some random person is making them in
their basement but rather the more plausible one that they are rejects from lego
or stolen from lego (like the current Mexico factory with the c-3po, cody, rex
(excluding pauldron), etc) or something similar.
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| In General, Nubs_Select writes:
| | | | The differences in printing are easy to spot once you know what to look for.
This isn't aimed at you specifically, but I really am kind of baffled as
to why everyone seems to be ignoring the obvious issues with the prints/parts
to keep diving down the quantity of figures rabbit hole.
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its because we know lego print quality can and does vary
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Yes, the "obvious defects" pictured in the first post in this thread
seem not particularly unusual?
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| In General, peregrinator writes:
| | In General, Nubs_Select writes:
| | | | The differences in printing are easy to spot once you know what to look for.
This isn't aimed at you specifically, but I really am kind of baffled as
to why everyone seems to be ignoring the obvious issues with the prints/parts
to keep diving down the quantity of figures rabbit hole.
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its because we know lego print quality can and does vary
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Yes, the "obvious defects" pictured in the first post in this thread
seem not particularly unusual?
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agreed, the only one that is slightly concerning is the "embossed" print
but if someone was trying to perfectly copy a real lego figure they wouldn't
randomly add something so obviously off that practically no (if any) figures
have
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Nubs_Select | | Posted: | Oct 24, 2023 20:21 | | Subject: | Re: $50,000+ Of Fake Deadpools Sold On BrickLink | | Viewed: | 42 times | | Topic: | General | |
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| In General, Nubs_Select writes:
| | In General, peregrinator writes:
| | In General, Nubs_Select writes:
| | | | The differences in printing are easy to spot once you know what to look for.
This isn't aimed at you specifically, but I really am kind of baffled as
to why everyone seems to be ignoring the obvious issues with the prints/parts
to keep diving down the quantity of figures rabbit hole.
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its because we know lego print quality can and does vary
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Yes, the "obvious defects" pictured in the first post in this thread
seem not particularly unusual?
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agreed, the only one that is slightly concerning is the "embossed" print
but if someone was trying to perfectly copy a real lego figure they wouldn't
randomly add something so obviously off that practically no (if any) figures
have
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+ the defects more so almost proves they could be factory rejects, messed up
ink, misaligned molds if that isn't something that could mean lego would
reject a figure i don't know what would.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | MadiganStation | | Posted: | Oct 24, 2023 20:34 | | Subject: | Re: $50,000+ Of Fake Deadpools Sold On BrickLink | | Viewed: | 39 times | | Topic: | General | |
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| They did not "add" the embossed print to their figure. They are TRYING
to perfectly copy the figure, they simply did not succeed.
The figures I received 5 years ago had that "thicker" ink, and so does
the ones currently being sold. I am confident that several thousand figures have
been sold since then, so if these were factory defects, did Lego really run several
thousand of them before they caught the issue?
| | agreed, the only one that is slightly concerning is the "embossed" print
but if someone was trying to perfectly copy a real lego figure they wouldn't
randomly add something so obviously off that practically no (if any) figures
have
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| In General, MadiganStation writes:
| | They did not "add" the embossed print to their figure. They are TRYING
to perfectly copy the figure, they simply did not succeed.
The figures I received 5 years ago had that "thicker" ink, and so does
the ones currently being sold. I am confident that several thousand figures have
been sold since then, so if these were factory defects, did Lego really run several
thousand of them before they caught the issue?
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it wouldn't be that crazy for 1 production run to happen with 1 figure that
they had issues with that scraped the whole run and then fixed the error leading
to thousands to be out there from the issue run. but like you mentioned if they
are trying to "perfectly copy the figure" why would the add embossed
print? that would be a dead giveaway as that figure doesn't have any embossed
print (which is print you can feel). that's like trying to copy the USA dollar
but then replacing the country USA with Canada. its not something that makes
sense if they were trying to copy it
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | MadiganStation | | Posted: | Oct 24, 2023 20:27 | | Subject: | Re: $50,000+ Of Fake Deadpools Sold On BrickLink | | Viewed: | 44 times | | Topic: | General | |
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| I realize what the argument is for the other side, and yes, there would be some
fairly severe implications if it turns out to be true. But in this case, the
majority of sellers could not, and should not, be blamed for selling these figures.
They are, like I said, VERY good "fakes".
But, at the same time, if there is a decent amount of evidence that is pointing
to there being a possible issue, shouldn't that be looked at seriously?
Like I pointed out in the pictures I posted, many of the print differences can
not be attributed to poor print quality. They are 100% different prints. Could
they have had a redesign for the printing plates for a figure that was produces
for less than 2 years? I doubt it, but maybe... That doesn't explain how
these prints are showing up on parts that would have never passed quality control
to leave the factory. Also, 3 of the 5 figures that I received over 5 years ago
had QC issues other than the ones that have been discussed ad nauseam on the
forum recently. The odds of having QC issues on 3 of 5 figures from Lego would
be astronomical!!! I have thousands of new figures currently, and I have never
found a single misprint.
The argument about these not being able to be printed in someones basement does
not hold water either. Pad printing setups can be gotten fairly cheaply, and
getting the printing plates made is not expensive either.
I understand that this is not to be taken lightly, but that doesn't mean
that we can just ignore a possible issue like this. Can you truly say that you
are 100% confident that there is nothing out of the ordinary going on here?
| | its because we know lego print quality can and does vary and its quite possible
it got a redesign at some point so when considering the implications of someone
custom printing at home it would instantly destroy the ENTIRE market for figures
that don't have exclusive molds as then any figure could have been custom
printed so they might have just messed up on this one but the others they got
right which could put many many people out of work/partial income if they sell
Minifigures so with everything taken into consideration its a bit baffling some
people (not at your directly its happened before) just think due to some slight
mold and print variations it was printed but someone in their basement instead
of by lego who might have made test batches that weren't up to quality/first
designs which then hit the market one way or another. until someone can provide
actual evidence that would hold up in court that someone is printing them at
home most (myself included) wont believe some random person is making them in
their basement but rather the more plausible one that they are rejects from lego
or stolen from lego (like the current Mexico factory with the c-3po, cody, rex
(excluding pauldron), etc) or something similar.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Nubs_Select | | Posted: | Oct 24, 2023 20:50 | | Subject: | Re: $50,000+ Of Fake Deadpools Sold On BrickLink | | Viewed: | 48 times | | Topic: | General | |
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| In General, MadiganStation writes:
| | I realize what the argument is for the other side, and yes, there would be some
fairly severe implications if it turns out to be true. But in this case, the
majority of sellers could not, and should not, be blamed for selling these figures.
They are, like I said, VERY good "fakes".
But, at the same time, if there is a decent amount of evidence that is pointing
to there being a possible issue, shouldn't that be looked at seriously?
Like I pointed out in the pictures I posted, many of the print differences can
not be attributed to poor print quality. They are 100% different prints. Could
they have had a redesign for the printing plates for a figure that was produces
for less than 2 years? I doubt it, but maybe... That doesn't explain how
these prints are showing up on parts that would have never passed quality control
to leave the factory. Also, 3 of the 5 figures that I received over 5 years ago
had QC issues other than the ones that have been discussed ad nauseam on the
forum recently. The odds of having QC issues on 3 of 5 figures from Lego would
be astronomical!!! I have thousands of new figures currently, and I have never
found a single misprint.
The argument about these not being able to be printed in someones basement does
not hold water either. Pad printing setups can be gotten fairly cheaply, and
getting the printing plates made is not expensive either.
I understand that this is not to be taken lightly, but that doesn't mean
that we can just ignore a possible issue like this. Can you truly say that you
are 100% confident that there is nothing out of the ordinary going on here?
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but at what point do you consider "very good fakes" to be "low quality
real ones"? for me I'm as close to 100% as confident as possible these
are made by lego yes. but like mentioned which your comment here supports them
being factory rejects lines up perfectly, high quantity - check, random printing
errors - check, possible different print which could have been testing rounds
- check, your not finding any misprints in your thousands of new figures meaning
lego quality control has properly removed the problem figures somewhere along
the line - check. I'm sorry it's just we need evidence to prove these
aren't factory rejects or similar and for it to be proven without a doubt
that it's fake. innocent until proven guilty logic applies to this. the burden
of proof for them being fake falls on the accusor not on those who think they
are real. yes it should be looked into to some extent but it's not like anyone
here can do anything and we have a plausible solution already with confirmed
that there are real Lego torsos out there circulating made with molds not used
for sets, 2 the problem figures almost perfectly fit the description of factory
rejects, 3 no evidence has ever been produced that its anything other than factory
rejects, etc we don't have any hard feelings against people saying its fake
we just need some evidence as someone just saying that they got some figures
and then listing the most generic factory rejects such as issues with print and
molds and then tells everyone they must be fake needs to provide evidence.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | MadiganStation | | Posted: | Oct 24, 2023 20:57 | | Subject: | Re: $50,000+ Of Fake Deadpools Sold On BrickLink | | Viewed: | 47 times | | Topic: | General | |
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| Never. Absolutely never!
| | but at what point do you consider "very good fakes" to be "low quality
real ones"?
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| In General, MadiganStation writes:
| | Never. Absolutely never!
| | but at what point do you consider "very good fakes" to be "low quality
real ones"?
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i might have said it backwards. what i meant is if the figure has the lego logo
and feels and looks mostly like lego but has print issues and slight mold issues
why would you assume its a custom print instead of a factory reject which would
have gotten rejected if it had bad print, molds, etc?
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Darth_Smithy | | Posted: | Oct 24, 2023 21:02 | | Subject: | Re: $50,000+ Of Fake Deadpools Sold On BrickLink | | Viewed: | 45 times | | Topic: | General | |
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| In General, MadiganStation writes:
| | Never. Absolutely never!
| | but at what point do you consider "very good fakes" to be "low quality
real ones"?
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I think you may have misunderstood Nubs' textwall. Perhaps the question is
how confident are you in telling the difference between a low quality original
and a good fake. Printing will vary between runs and factories.
Also, Nubs, use the Return key every now and then, dude!
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| In General, Darth_Smithy writes:
| | In General, MadiganStation writes:
| | Never. Absolutely never!
| | but at what point do you consider "very good fakes" to be "low quality
real ones"?
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I think you may have misunderstood Nubs' textwall. Perhaps the question is
how confident are you in telling the difference between a low quality original
and a good fake. Printing will vary between runs and factories.
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mhm that's what i was trying to say
| | Also, Nubs, use the Return key every now and then, dude!
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sorry  i guess this is what I get for my low English class scores
at least i have auto-correct or else it wouldn't be legible even slightly
anything other than a , . ? or ! confuses me in text and I have a bad
tendency to just continue sentences as its how I say them in my brain when typing
out. sorry I'll try
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Ra | | Posted: | Oct 24, 2023 21:08 | | Subject: | Re: $50,000+ Of Fake Deadpools Sold On BrickLink | | Viewed: | 44 times | | Topic: | General | |
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| As you reject every point of his comment except the one you like by deleting
the rest. You only see what you want
In General, MadiganStation writes:
| | Never. Absolutely never!
| | but at what point do you consider "very good fakes" to be "low quality
real ones"?
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | PlanetEarthToys | | Posted: | Oct 24, 2023 20:33 | | Subject: | Re: $50,000+ Of Fake Deadpools Sold On BrickLink | | Viewed: | 59 times | | Topic: | General | |
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| In General, MadiganStation writes:
| | Bootleg = Fake in this context. The figures are being produced (printed) by someone
other than Lego, but are being sold as a genuine Lego produced product.
The differences in printing are easy to spot once you know what to look for.
This isn't aimed at you specifically, but I really am kind of baffled as
to why everyone seems to be ignoring the obvious issues with the prints/parts
to keep diving down the quantity of figures rabbit hole.
| | Technically they aren't fake. The parts are real and verified. The printing
is custom so wouldn't they be more of a bootleg?
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too bad you think every other seller on here is too stupid to see or spot a fake..
as per your previous comment.. they didn't "KNOWINGLY" do it...
you are still continuing down this path of accusing numerous other sellers on
this site of committing fraud by selling fake parts & you have ZERO evidence
to back up your claims except some pics of some Lego figures you say are fake
w/ no verification of where you got them.
i worked in a printing shop in my early years, Print & Ink Shift is very common
& likely hard to notice 100% of the time on micro-sized 3-D objects like Lego
minifigures. ( as opposed to a 2-D object like a label / sticker)
discrepencies occur.
accusing EVERY SELLER of committing fraud & being too dumb to know it just tells
everyone how much you value your own opinion vs logic & facts.
basically you are suggesting that the $50,000 in Deadpool figure sales you boast
about over the past 5 years needs to be funded to every single buyer based on
nothing more than 'what you think'....
so, once again... simply prove what you are claiming....
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | PlanetEarthToys | | Posted: | Oct 24, 2023 20:35 | | Subject: | Re: $50,000+ Of Fake Deadpools Sold On BrickLink | | Viewed: | 49 times | | Topic: | General | |
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| In General, PlanetEarthToys writes:
| | In General, PlanetEarthToys writes:
Refunded not 'funded'
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | MadiganStation | | Posted: | Oct 24, 2023 20:39 | | Subject: | Re: $50,000+ Of Fake Deadpools Sold On BrickLink | | Viewed: | 65 times | | Topic: | General | |
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| Please go away, you are adding nothing of value to this thread.
In General, PlanetEarthToys writes:
| | In General, PlanetEarthToys writes:
| | In General, PlanetEarthToys writes:
Refunded not 'funded'
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | PlanetEarthToys | | Posted: | Oct 24, 2023 23:25 | | Subject: | Re: $50,000+ Of Fake Deadpools Sold On BrickLink | | Viewed: | 61 times | | Topic: | General | |
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| In General, MadiganStation writes:
| | Please go away, you are adding nothing of value to this thread.
In General, PlanetEarthToys writes:
| | In General, PlanetEarthToys writes:
| | In General, PlanetEarthToys writes:
Refunded not 'funded'
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you insult every seller on this site, accusing them of either selling fakes or
potentially selling fakes if they sell a deadpool figure & in addition to that,
you diminish the reputation of BL...
and now YOU want the few who read this thread & are insulted by your thread to
shut up & go away... because your thread isn't propping you up as you wanted
wonder why...
good job White Knight...
still waiting on THAT PROOF
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | MadiganStation | | Posted: | Oct 24, 2023 23:31 | | Subject: | Re: $50,000+ Of Fake Deadpools Sold On BrickLink | | Viewed: | 91 times | | Topic: | General | |
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| Only wanted you to go away. You have been pretty toxic on these forums in the
past, and you are definitely living up to that reputation today. You may think
that you are standing up to the big bad bully, but you are the bully, everyone
sees it except for you.
| | you insult every seller on this site, accusing them of either selling fakes or
potentially selling fakes if they sell a deadpool figure & in addition to that,
you diminish the reputation of BL...
and now YOU want the few who read this thread & are insulted by your thread to
shut up & go away... because your thread isn't propping you up as you wanted
wonder why...
good job White Knight...
still waiting on THAT PROOF
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| | | | | Author: | MadiganStation | | Posted: | Oct 24, 2023 21:15 | | Subject: | Re: $50,000+ Of Fake Deadpools Sold On BrickLink | | Viewed: | 112 times | | Topic: | General | |
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| Anyone who reads this, and has a Deadpool that they know to have come out of
an actual set, would you be able to please help me out and just post which picture
yours looks like? The one that I have labeled as genuine, or the one I have labeled
as fake.
This thread has become a pretty big mess, but I would still like to get some
data out of it if possible.
Thanks,
Nate
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| | | | | | | Author: | rtzx9r | | Posted: | Oct 24, 2023 22:57 | | Subject: | Re: $50,000+ Of Fake Deadpools Sold On BrickLink | | Viewed: | 71 times | | Topic: | General | |
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| In General, MadiganStation writes:
| | Anyone who reads this, and has a Deadpool that they know to have come out of
an actual set, would you be able to please help me out and just post which picture
yours looks like? The one that I have labeled as genuine, or the one I have labeled
as fake.
This thread has become a pretty big mess, but I would still like to get some
data out of it if possible.
Thanks,
Nate
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Let’s start with your experiences. To make claims so many are fake, YOU must
have received some questionable Deadpool figs. So tell us how many Deadpool figs
YOU have ordered and received from Bricklink, from how many sellers, and how
many YOU believe are fake.
If you can prove you have a high fake rate from multiple sellers then perhaps
it’s worth discussing. Otherwise as said above there is zero data to factually
back up your claims.
I’d also bet the majority of sellers here that sold Deadpool mini figs bought
them new from the store/LEGO thereby ensuring they are legit. Sure maybe a few
sellers bought fakes from someone and flipped them here but I’d think that’s
the minority.
So let’s see the numbers…
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| | | | | | | Author: | BrickDeals | | Posted: | Oct 24, 2023 23:15 | | Subject: | Re: $50,000+ Of Fake Deadpools Sold On BrickLink | | Viewed: | 74 times | | Topic: | General | |
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| In General, MadiganStation writes:
| | Anyone who reads this, and has a Deadpool that they know to have come out of
an actual set, would you be able to please help me out and just post which picture
yours looks like? The one that I have labeled as genuine, or the one I have labeled
as fake.
This thread has become a pretty big mess, but I would still like to get some
data out of it if possible.
Thanks,
Nate
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Why don't the admins actually follow through on the discussion forum rules?
https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=126
"Avoid libel or unfounded statements as they can be harmful to both our users
and the site as a whole. This includes concerns about scams."
Send me one and I will tell you if it is fake.
Pulling one out of a brand new set tells you nothing.
Judging by your high res pictures, I would say your "fakes" are authentic.
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| | | | | | | Author: | PlanetEarthToys | | Posted: | Oct 24, 2023 23:32 | | Subject: | Re: $50,000+ Of Fake Deadpools Sold On BrickLink | | Viewed: | 102 times | | Topic: | General | |
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| In General, MadiganStation writes:
| | Anyone who reads this, and has a Deadpool that they know to have come out of
an actual set, would you be able to please help me out and just post which picture
yours looks like? The one that I have labeled as genuine, or the one I have labeled
as fake.
This thread has become a pretty big mess, but I would still like to get some
data out of it if possible.
Thanks,
Nate
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| In General, PlanetEarthToys writes:
he insults everyone claiming fakes are being sold, then calls you toxic for getting
insulted by him after reading his thread & confronting the accusation by asking
for Proof .
then he prevents you from responding to his posts..
because asking someone to prove an accusation is .. Bullying & Toxic...
... but he never proves anything..........
welcome to 2023....
*facepalm
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | MadiganStation | | Posted: | Oct 25, 2023 01:10 | | Subject: | Re: $50,000+ Of Fake Deadpools Sold On BrickLink | | Viewed: | 88 times | | Topic: | General | |
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| I don’t have the power to lock you out from replying on the forum, only moderators
do… This one should probably be locked as well.
In General, PlanetEarthToys writes:
| | In General, PlanetEarthToys writes:
he insults everyone claiming fakes are being sold, then calls you toxic for getting
insulted by him after reading his thread & confronting the accusation by asking
for Proof .
then he prevents you from responding to his posts..
because asking someone to prove an accusation is .. Bullying & Toxic...
... but he never proves anything..........
welcome to 2023....
*facepalm
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| In General, MadiganStation writes:
| | I don’t have the power to lock you out from replying on the forum, only moderators
do… This one should probably be locked as well.
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i'm not locked from responding , obviously...
still waiting on that proof... it should be easy.. you have pictures.. so just
prove it
or you can:
- apologize to everyone for insulting them
- apologize to BL for diminishing their reputation
- refrain from in general Defamatory statements about members who sell on here
without proving anything in the future
- retract your claim of BL sellers have sold over $50,000 worth of fake parts
... but i doubt you have even considered doing any of that.
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| | | | | Author: | BrickDeals | | Posted: | Oct 24, 2023 22:51 | | Subject: | (Cancelled) | | Viewed: | 70 times | | Topic: | General | |
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| | | | | Author: | yorbrick | | Posted: | Oct 25, 2023 03:35 | | Subject: | Re: $50,000+ Of Fake Deadpools Sold On BrickLink | | Viewed: | 115 times | | Topic: | General | |
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| I recall there being loads of Deadpool heads only that had slightly different
shaped printing showing up in 2012/13 from a single seller in China that looked
a bit suspicious.
But didn't these complete figures start showing up around 2017? There was
a discussion at the time that these could have been (re)produced for one of the
comic-cons but got replaced by Deadpool Duck. Of course, it was pure speculation
with no evidence like many of the discussions and allegations made here.
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