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| | | | | Author: | peregrinator  | | Posted: | Oct 10, 2023 19:37 | | Subject: | Re: Color issue with 2546p02, Bird, Parrot with S | | Viewed: | 33 times | | Topic: | Colors | |
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| In Colors, Jacob_Pf writes:
The way listings work on BL is that people can list items under whatever color
they want.
But also, the fact that something isn't found in a set doesn't at all
mean it doesn't exist.
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| | | | | | | Author: | Jacob_Pf | | Posted: | Oct 10, 2023 20:19 | | Subject: | Re: Color issue with 2546p02, Bird, Parrot with S | | Viewed: | 36 times | | Topic: | Colors | |
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| In Colors, peregrinator writes:
| | In Colors, Jacob_Pf writes:
The way listings work on BL is that people can list items under whatever color
they want.
But also, the fact that something isn't found in a set doesn't at all
mean it doesn't exist.
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But shouldn't it be clear in this case? A red variant of this parrot would
make no sense at all, its outstanding attribute is the pattern which would completely
disappear and I'd be a different piece.
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | Nubs_Select | | Posted: | Oct 10, 2023 20:21 | | Subject: | Re: Color issue with 2546p02, Bird, Parrot with S | | Viewed: | 39 times | | Topic: | Colors | |
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| as its a marbled part it can vary massively so if someones looked more green
then red or vice versa some may choose to list it as such even if its technically
only 1 colour
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | peregrinator | | Posted: | Oct 10, 2023 21:10 | | Subject: | Re: Color issue with 2546p02, Bird, Parrot with S | | Viewed: | 31 times | | Topic: | Colors | |
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| In Colors, Jacob_Pf writes:
| | But shouldn't it be clear in this case? A red variant of this parrot would
make no sense at all, its outstanding attribute is the pattern which would completely
disappear and I'd be a different piece.
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I grant that this piece almost certainly doesn't exist in red. But that won't
stop people from listing it.
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Jacob_Pf | | Posted: | Oct 10, 2023 21:22 | | Subject: | Re: Color issue with 2546p02, Bird, Parrot with S | | Viewed: | 30 times | | Topic: | Colors | |
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| In Colors, peregrinator writes:
| | In Colors, Jacob_Pf writes:
| | But shouldn't it be clear in this case? A red variant of this parrot would
make no sense at all, its outstanding attribute is the pattern which would completely
disappear and I'd be a different piece.
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I grant that this piece almost certainly doesn't exist in red. But that won't
stop people from listing it.
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Ok, then I might have misunderstood the color entries. Any seller can "add"
a color to the selection palette of a part by listing it in that color?
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | peregrinator | | Posted: | Oct 10, 2023 21:24 | | Subject: | Re: Color issue with 2546p02, Bird, Parrot with S | | Viewed: | 27 times | | Topic: | Colors | |
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| In Colors, Jacob_Pf writes:
| | Ok, then I might have misunderstood the color entries. Any seller can "add"
a color to the selection palette of a part by listing it in that color?
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Yes. But "known" colors show only the ones that have actually appeared
in sets.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Jacob_Pf | | Posted: | Oct 10, 2023 21:31 | | Subject: | Re: Color issue with 2546p02, Bird, Parrot with S | | Viewed: | 25 times | | Topic: | Colors | |
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| In Colors, peregrinator writes:
| | Yes. But "known" colors show only the ones that have actually appeared
in sets.
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Perfect, thanks for clearing that up.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | jennnifer | | Posted: | Oct 10, 2023 21:25 | | Subject: | Re: Color issue with 2546p02, Bird, Parrot with S | | Viewed: | 31 times | | Topic: | Colors | |
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| In Colors, Jacob_Pf writes:
| | In Colors, peregrinator writes:
| | In Colors, Jacob_Pf writes:
| | But shouldn't it be clear in this case? A red variant of this parrot would
make no sense at all, its outstanding attribute is the pattern which would completely
disappear and I'd be a different piece.
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I grant that this piece almost certainly doesn't exist in red. But that won't
stop people from listing it.
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Ok, then I might have misunderstood the color entries. Any seller can "add"
a color to the selection palette of a part by listing it in that color?
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A seller may list any color under Lots for Sale. What I believe you are looking
for is Known Colors. This list has only color combinations that appear in BrickLink
set inventories.
The only Known Color for this part is Green.
~Jen
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Jacob_Pf | | Posted: | Oct 10, 2023 21:31 | | Subject: | Re: Color issue with 2546p02, Bird, Parrot with S | | Viewed: | 32 times | | Topic: | Colors | |
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| In Colors, jennnifer writes:
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A seller may list any color under Lots for Sale. What I believe you are looking
for is Known Colors. This list has only color combinations that appear in BrickLink
set inventories.
The only Known Color for this part is Green.
~Jen
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Perfect, thanks for clearing that up.
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| | | | | Author: | SylvainLS | | Posted: | Oct 11, 2023 08:39 | | Subject: | Re: Color issue with 2546p02, Bird, Parrot with S | | Viewed: | 33 times | | Topic: | Colors | |
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| In Colors, Jacob_Pf writes:
| | does not exist. It is not part of a set and has no images. Its existence is just
a result of people disagreeing whether the green or the red part of the parrot
is the base color. Therefore, the red version should be removed from the catalog.
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Sorry, my fault for not being clearer / more complete on the Studio forum last
night.
The problem stems from a difference between LDraw and BrickLink:
— for BL, the part has a Red marbling on a Green part,
— for LDraw, the bottom is Green (fixed) and the rest is in the variable colour.
Studio uses the LDraw part but with the BL catalogue. So, following the catogue,
the only available colour for Studio is Green… but if you paint the part Green,
it comes all Green. The part needs to be painted Red to look as the real part…
but then it’s marked as being in the wrong colour and you don’t get the price
in Studio.
There’s two possible solutions for that:
1. Have Studio use a modified 3D model (with the colours swapped) to match the
catalogue,
2. Have the catalogue change its view to match LDraw’s: the part is Red with
a Green marbling not Green with a Red marbling.
(1) may be the easiest. There’s others parts for which it’s been done (dual-moulded
arms for instance).
For (2), well, note that the part is named 2546p02 for both BL and LDraw. It’s
not 2546pb02 for BL. So, if there’s a policy to keep older common IDs
common (as examplified by the keeping of, and reverting to, x… IDs), changing
the BL part doesn’t seem impossible.
That’s why I told Jacob_Pf that I’d suggest (1) but that Jacob_Pf could still
ask for (2) here.
Jacob_Pf also brought out the problem about the (wrong) Red listings but I (wrongly)
didn’t answer that part (as Studio correctly marks Red as non-existing/“not known”).
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| | | | | | | Author: | Admin_Russell | | Posted: | Oct 11, 2023 09:31 | | Subject: | Re: Color issue with 2546p02, Bird, Parrot with S | | Viewed: | 50 times | | Topic: | Colors | |
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| In Colors, SylvainLS writes:
| | In Colors, Jacob_Pf writes:
| | does not exist. It is not part of a set and has no images. Its existence is just
a result of people disagreeing whether the green or the red part of the parrot
is the base color. Therefore, the red version should be removed from the catalog.
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Sorry, my fault for not being clearer / more complete on the Studio forum last
night.
The problem stems from a difference between LDraw and BrickLink:
— for BL, the part has a Red marbling on a Green part,
— for LDraw, the bottom is Green (fixed) and the rest is in the variable colour.
Studio uses the LDraw part but with the BL catalogue. So, following the catogue,
the only available colour for Studio is Green… but if you paint the part Green,
it comes all Green. The part needs to be painted Red to look as the real part…
but then it’s marked as being in the wrong colour and you don’t get the price
in Studio.
There’s two possible solutions for that:
1. Have Studio use a modified 3D model (with the colours swapped) to match the
catalogue,
2. Have the catalogue change its view to match LDraw’s: the part is Red with
a Green marbling not Green with a Red marbling.
(1) may be the easiest. There’s others parts for which it’s been done (dual-moulded
arms for instance).
For (2), well, note that the part is named 2546p02 for both BL and LDraw. It’s
not 2546pb02 for BL. So, if there’s a policy to keep older common IDs
common (as examplified by the keeping of, and reverting to, x… IDs), changing
the BL part doesn’t seem impossible.
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It was changed in the BrickLink Catalog from Red to Green in Jan 2015:
https://www.bricklink.com/catalogReqList.asp?nID=&viewDate=Y&viewType=E&viewStatus=A&itemID=82842
So this suggestion would simply be a reversal of that.
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | SylvainLS | | Posted: | Oct 11, 2023 10:48 | | Subject: | Re: Color issue with 2546p02, Bird, Parrot with S | | Viewed: | 37 times | | Topic: | Colors | |
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| In Colors, Admin_Russell writes:
Ah yes, indeed 
I wonder what was the rationale at this time (and if it still holds): bottom
is Green so it’s the main/variable colour and Red is the “pattern”?
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | yorbrick | | Posted: | Oct 11, 2023 12:30 | | Subject: | Re: Color issue with 2546p02, Bird, Parrot with S | | Viewed: | 37 times | | Topic: | Colors | |
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| | | I wonder what was the rationale at this time (and if it still holds): bottom
is Green so it’s the main/variable colour and Red is the “pattern”?
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I that is the case I'd love to see the arguments if they made a marbled bat.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | SylvainLS | | Posted: | Oct 11, 2023 12:34 | | Subject: | Re: Color issue with 2546p02, Bird, Parrot with S | | Viewed: | 28 times | | Topic: | Colors | |
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| In Colors, yorbrick writes:
| | | | I wonder what was the rationale at this time (and if it still holds): bottom
is Green so it’s the main/variable colour and Red is the “pattern”?
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I that is the case I'd love to see the arguments if they made a marbled bat.
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| | | | | | | Author: | Jacob_Pf | | Posted: | Oct 11, 2023 20:00 | | Subject: | Re: Color issue with 2546p02, Bird, Parrot with S | | Viewed: | 37 times | | Topic: | Colors | |
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| In Colors, SylvainLS writes:
| | In Colors, Jacob_Pf writes:
| | does not exist. It is not part of a set and has no images. Its existence is just
a result of people disagreeing whether the green or the red part of the parrot
is the base color. Therefore, the red version should be removed from the catalog.
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Sorry, my fault for not being clearer / more complete on the Studio forum last
night.
The problem stems from a difference between LDraw and BrickLink:
— for BL, the part has a Red marbling on a Green part,
— for LDraw, the bottom is Green (fixed) and the rest is in the variable colour.
Studio uses the LDraw part but with the BL catalogue. So, following the catogue,
the only available colour for Studio is Green… but if you paint the part Green,
it comes all Green. The part needs to be painted Red to look as the real part…
but then it’s marked as being in the wrong colour and you don’t get the price
in Studio.
There’s two possible solutions for that:
1. Have Studio use a modified 3D model (with the colours swapped) to match the
catalogue,
2. Have the catalogue change its view to match LDraw’s: the part is Red with
a Green marbling not Green with a Red marbling.
(1) may be the easiest. There’s others parts for which it’s been done (dual-moulded
arms for instance).
For (2), well, note that the part is named 2546p02 for both BL and LDraw. It’s
not 2546pb02 for BL. So, if there’s a policy to keep older common IDs
common (as examplified by the keeping of, and reverting to, x… IDs), changing
the BL part doesn’t seem impossible.
That’s why I told Jacob_Pf that I’d suggest (1) but that Jacob_Pf could still
ask for (2) here.
Jacob_Pf also brought out the problem about the (wrong) Red listings but I (wrongly)
didn’t answer that part (as Studio correctly marks Red as non-existing/“not known”).
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Ah, no worries, you explained it well enough, and I think I understood it. I
suggested removing the red variant not to fix the underlying issue, but rather
as a complementary improvement on top of using a modified 3D model. Have the
modified 3D model which now uses red pattern on a green part plus remove the
red variant. However, my suggestion is invalid anyways since I hadn't understood
where the red version came from properly at that point.
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| | | | | Author: | ghyde | | Posted: | Oct 11, 2023 13:23 | | Subject: | Re: Color issue with 2546p02, Bird, Parrot with S | | Viewed: | 25 times | | Topic: | Colors | |
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| In Colors, Jacob_Pf writes:
I just Googled "red green parrot" and now I'm wondering which bird
the LEGO designers photographed when making this marbled bird. It would be interesting
to see what they thought this bird was, according to it's taxonomy.
Parrots with a green base and red top don't really exist in the form that
the bird shows for this catalog entry. Therefore this bird either has an identity
crisis or is fictional.
Anyone know of any LEGO designers that might have given out insights on which
bird they used for this particular marbled variety of parrot?
This might have been discussed before in another thread about this catalog entry,
if this is a repeated question please disregard or link to discussions.
Cheers ...
ghyde
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| | | | | | | Author: | yorbrick | | Posted: | Oct 11, 2023 13:46 | | Subject: | Re: Color issue with 2546p02, Bird, Parrot with S | | Viewed: | 27 times | | Topic: | Colors | |
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| | | I just Googled "red green parrot" and now I'm wondering which bird
the LEGO designers photographed when making this marbled bird. It would be interesting
to see what they thought this bird was, according to it's taxonomy.
Parrots with a green base and red top don't really exist in the form that
the bird shows for this catalog entry. Therefore this bird either has an identity
crisis or is fictional.
Anyone know of any LEGO designers that might have given out insights on which
bird they used for this particular marbled variety of parrot?
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Given it comes in sets with yellow people, I doubt they cared too much about
taxonomy and realistic colours.
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