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|  | | Author: | cosmicray  | | Posted: | Jul 12, 2023 07:40 | | Subject: | Non-removable free-rotating pin | | Viewed: | 107 times | | Topic: | Catalog | | Status: | Open | |
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| A number of parts, and at least one minifig, use a presumably free-rotating non-removable
pin. They are …
The pins have never been added to the catalog. They can be removed [1], although
it is likely to cause damage to the pin (but no damage to the part the pin is
inserted into). My take is, that TLG needed a pin-like design, but age 4 was
too young for a conventional 2780 pin, so they came up with a special pin design
that was very unlikely to be removable. The visible end of the pin is normal,
but the hidden/inserted end is not, it is a modified design to resist extraction.
The lack of a catalog entry, means that the c01 nature of the parts cannot be
inventoried. From my tests, the base part is quite usable with normal pins (and
was probably designed that way for inclusion in sets with a higher age range).
Any thoughts on adding the pin, and thereby allowing the inclusion of the base
parts ?
Nita Rae
[1] Using a pair of small needle nosed pliers, and pulling firmly. It tends to
somewhat affect the external end of the pin, but not the inserted end (which
for this specific pin are not asymmetrical).
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|  |  |  | | Author: | randyf  | | Posted: | Jul 12, 2023 16:19 | | Subject: | Re: Non-removable free-rotating pin | | Viewed: | 53 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, cosmicray writes:
| | A number of parts, and at least one minifig, use a presumably free-rotating non-removable
pin. They are …
The pins have never been added to the catalog. They can be removed [1], although
it is likely to cause damage to the pin (but no damage to the part the pin is
inserted into). My take is, that TLG needed a pin-like design, but age 4 was
too young for a conventional 2780 pin, so they came up with a special pin design
that was very unlikely to be removable. The visible end of the pin is normal,
but the hidden/inserted end is not, it is a modified design to resist extraction.
The lack of a catalog entry, means that the c01 nature of the parts cannot be
inventoried. From my tests, the base part is quite usable with normal pins (and
was probably designed that way for inclusion in sets with a higher age range).
Any thoughts on adding the pin, and thereby allowing the inclusion of the base
parts ?
Nita Rae
[1] Using a pair of small needle nosed pliers, and pulling firmly. It tends to
somewhat affect the external end of the pin, but not the inserted end (which
for this specific pin are not asymmetrical).
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This isn't it?
Cheers,
Randy
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|  |  |  |  |  | | Author: | cosmicray  | | Posted: | Jul 12, 2023 20:30 | | Subject: | Re: Non-removable free-rotating pin | | Viewed: | 54 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, randyf writes:
| | In Catalog, cosmicray writes:
| | A number of parts, and at least one minifig, use a presumably free-rotating non-removable
pin. They are …
The pins have never been added to the catalog. They can be removed [1], although
it is likely to cause damage to the pin (but no damage to the part the pin is
inserted into). My take is, that TLG needed a pin-like design, but age 4 was
too young for a conventional 2780 pin, so they came up with a special pin design
that was very unlikely to be removable. The visible end of the pin is normal,
but the hidden/inserted end is not, it is a modified design to resist extraction.
The lack of a catalog entry, means that the c01 nature of the parts cannot be
inventoried. From my tests, the base part is quite usable with normal pins (and
was probably designed that way for inclusion in sets with a higher age range).
Any thoughts on adding the pin, and thereby allowing the inclusion of the base
parts ?
Nita Rae
[1] Using a pair of small needle nosed pliers, and pulling firmly. It tends to
somewhat affect the external end of the pin, but not the inserted end (which
for this specific pin are not asymmetrical).
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This isn't it?
Cheers,
Randy
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Does the existence of the pin mean we can add the base part (at least for the
two parts I mentioned) to the catalog ? The minifig might be a different subject
tho. I’m not going to list the pins, because they would not likely survive removal.
Nita Rae
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|  |  |  |  |  |  |  | | Author: | randyf  | | Posted: | Jul 13, 2023 03:19 | | Subject: | Re: Non-removable free-rotating pin | | Viewed: | 59 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, cosmicray writes:
| | In Catalog, randyf writes:
| | In Catalog, cosmicray writes:
| | A number of parts, and at least one minifig, use a presumably free-rotating non-removable
pin. They are …
The pins have never been added to the catalog. They can be removed [1], although
it is likely to cause damage to the pin (but no damage to the part the pin is
inserted into). My take is, that TLG needed a pin-like design, but age 4 was
too young for a conventional 2780 pin, so they came up with a special pin design
that was very unlikely to be removable. The visible end of the pin is normal,
but the hidden/inserted end is not, it is a modified design to resist extraction.
The lack of a catalog entry, means that the c01 nature of the parts cannot be
inventoried. From my tests, the base part is quite usable with normal pins (and
was probably designed that way for inclusion in sets with a higher age range).
Any thoughts on adding the pin, and thereby allowing the inclusion of the base
parts ?
Nita Rae
[1] Using a pair of small needle nosed pliers, and pulling firmly. It tends to
somewhat affect the external end of the pin, but not the inserted end (which
for this specific pin are not asymmetrical).
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This isn't it?
Cheers,
Randy
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Does the existence of the pin mean we can add the base part (at least for the
two parts I mentioned) to the catalog ? The minifig might be a different subject
tho. I’m not going to list the pins, because they would not likely survive removal.
Nita Rae
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Yes, please go ahead and submit the base part for 42607c01 without the pins.
The other one is already in the catalog:
I will inventory 45403c01 to unorphan the fixed rotatable pin, and then we can
inventory the other assembly after the base part gets added.
Cheers,
Randy
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|  |  |  | | Author: | WoutR  | | Posted: | Jul 13, 2023 12:50 | | Subject: | Re: Non-removable free-rotating pin | | Viewed: | 41 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, cosmicray writes:
| | A number of parts, and at least one minifig, use a presumably free-rotating non-removable
pin. They are …
The pins have never been added to the catalog. They can be removed [1], although
it is likely to cause damage to the pin (but no damage to the part the pin is
inserted into). My take is, that TLG needed a pin-like design, but age 4 was
too young for a conventional 2780 pin, so they came up with a special pin design
that was very unlikely to be removable. The visible end of the pin is normal,
but the hidden/inserted end is not, it is a modified design to resist extraction.
The lack of a catalog entry, means that the c01 nature of the parts cannot be
inventoried. From my tests, the base part is quite usable with normal pins (and
was probably designed that way for inclusion in sets with a higher age range).
Any thoughts on adding the pin, and thereby allowing the inclusion of the base
parts ?
Nita Rae
[1] Using a pair of small needle nosed pliers, and pulling firmly. It tends to
somewhat affect the external end of the pin, but not the inserted end (which
for this specific pin are not asymmetrical).
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Because the part was not designed for removal of the pin, I would consider all
parts without the pin damaged. Even if they are still usable in a way that LEGO
did not intend.
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|  |  |  |  |  | | Author: | randyf  | | Posted: | Jul 13, 2023 15:08 | | Subject: | Re: Non-removable free-rotating pin | | Viewed: | 35 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, WoutR writes:
| | In Catalog, cosmicray writes:
| | A number of parts, and at least one minifig, use a presumably free-rotating non-removable
pin. They are …
The pins have never been added to the catalog. They can be removed [1], although
it is likely to cause damage to the pin (but no damage to the part the pin is
inserted into). My take is, that TLG needed a pin-like design, but age 4 was
too young for a conventional 2780 pin, so they came up with a special pin design
that was very unlikely to be removable. The visible end of the pin is normal,
but the hidden/inserted end is not, it is a modified design to resist extraction.
The lack of a catalog entry, means that the c01 nature of the parts cannot be
inventoried. From my tests, the base part is quite usable with normal pins (and
was probably designed that way for inclusion in sets with a higher age range).
Any thoughts on adding the pin, and thereby allowing the inclusion of the base
parts ?
Nita Rae
[1] Using a pair of small needle nosed pliers, and pulling firmly. It tends to
somewhat affect the external end of the pin, but not the inserted end (which
for this specific pin are not asymmetrical).
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Because the part was not designed for removal of the pin, I would consider all
parts without the pin damaged. Even if they are still usable in a way that LEGO
did not intend.
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was used in multiple sets without the pins, and I would bet that the base part
for 42607c01 was used somewhere (LEGOLAND parks, model shops, etc.) without the
pins. So all versions of these base parts are not tainted by the inclusion of
the pins, and they would not be considered damaged.
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|  |  |  |  |  |  |  | | Author: | WoutR  | | Posted: | Jul 13, 2023 15:24 | | Subject: | Re: Non-removable free-rotating pin | | Viewed: | 32 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, randyf writes:
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was used in multiple sets without the pins, and I would bet that the base part
for 42607c01 was used somewhere (LEGOLAND parks, model shops, etc.) without the
pins. So all versions of these base parts are not tainted by the inclusion of
the pins, and they would not be considered damaged.
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Thanks.
If they were available without the pins, then I agree completely.
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