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 Author: Admin_Russell View Messages Posted By Admin_Russell
 Posted: May 22, 2023 17:00
 Subject: Australian Tax Implementation
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Dear BrickLink members,

On June 1, 2023 we plan to implement new marketplace features and settings to
handle Australian Goods and Services Tax (GST). This will mostly affect transactions
where an Australian buyer is purchasing from stores outside of Australia, but
it will also affect all Australian BrickLink members to a degree (both buyers
and sellers).

Here is a summary of what will change:

1. BrickLink will now collect Australian GST for all orders being shipped into
Australia from the outside with a consignment value under $1,000 AUD. As with
other taxes collected on the BrickLink site, this means that all such orders
will require an onsite payment method.

2. When seller invoices go out on June 5th, GST will now be added to the invoice
for Australian sellers.

3. Australian business sellers who are GST registered will now have the option
to upload tax information to their BrickLink seller profile. GST will not be
added to the monthly fee invoice for such sellers.

We plan to send out emails to all affected BrickLink members later this week.
For a deeper explanation of this implementation, please see our new Help Page,
Australian Tax:

https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=2597

Thanks for reading, and feel free comment below if you have further questions.

The BrickLink Team
 Author: SylvainLS View Messages Posted By SylvainLS
 Posted: May 22, 2023 17:09
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In Administrative, Admin_Russell writes:
  Dear BrickLink members, […]

Thanks for the headsup, Russell


  […]
We plan to send out emails to all affected BrickLink members later this week.

Hurrah!

(Still adding Australia, the $1000 limit, and the new help page to my copy-pasta
library though )


Now waiting for comments from Canadians….
 Author: Nubs_Select View Messages Posted By Nubs_Select
 Posted: May 22, 2023 18:03
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  Now waiting for comments from Canadians….

i still have headaches every year with taxes until its implemented
 Author: ghyde View Messages Posted By ghyde
 Posted: May 22, 2023 17:19
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In Administrative, Admin_Russell writes:
  Dear BrickLink members,

On June 1, 2023 we plan to implement new marketplace features and settings to
handle Australian Goods and Services Tax (GST). This will mostly affect transactions
where an Australian buyer is purchasing from stores outside of Australia, but
it will also affect all Australian BrickLink members to a degree (both buyers
and sellers).

Here is a summary of what will change:

1. BrickLink will now collect Australian GST for all orders being shipped into
Australia from the outside with a consignment value under $1,000 AUD. As with
other taxes collected on the BrickLink site, this means that all such orders
will require an onsite payment method.

2. When seller invoices go out on June 5th, GST will now be added to the invoice
for Australian sellers.

3. Australian business sellers who are GST registered will now have the option
to upload tax information to their BrickLink seller profile. GST will not be
added to the monthly fee invoice for such sellers.

We plan to send out emails to all affected BrickLink members later this week.
For a deeper explanation of this implementation, please see our new Help Page,
Australian Tax:

https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=2597

Thanks for reading, and feel free comment below if you have further questions.

The BrickLink Team

Interesting. If I am the buyer and order within the next 24 hours, do I have
to manually pay GST on a parcel from the US?

I'm setting up to place an order and just need to know if I should expect
GST on something around $50-$60 AUD in value, not including GST.

So how does this work if the order gets paid so close to July 1?

I'm also looking into selling some LEGO parts, definitely after June 1st,
though, do I need to do anything in particular?

Cheers ...

ghyde
 Author: SylvainLS View Messages Posted By SylvainLS
 Posted: May 22, 2023 17:31
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In Administrative, ghyde writes:
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Interesting. If I am the buyer and order within the next 24 hours, do I have
to manually pay GST on a parcel from the US?

Don’t you already do that?  Pay GST to the postman / delivery man when you import?


  I'm setting up to place an order and just need to know if I should expect
GST on something around $50-$60 AUD in value, not including GST.

So how does this work if the order gets paid so close to July 1?

When the GST is (will be) collected by BL, there’ll be a receipt that the seller
will join to the package so that AU customs don’t re-collect it.

When the GST is not collected by BL / when there’s no proof it was collected,
you’ll pay it at reception.


  I'm also looking into selling some LEGO parts, definitely after June 1st,
though, do I need to do anything in particular?

As an Australian yourself, before or after that date, your obligations to Australy
are the same.
Check the help page https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=2597 , there’s
a link to an Australian page explaining when you need to do something (register
for GST or not for instance…).
 Author: Yogi_007 View Messages Posted By Yogi_007
 Posted: May 24, 2023 07:51
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In Administrative, SylvainLS writes:
  In Administrative, ghyde writes:
  […]
Interesting. If I am the buyer and order within the next 24 hours, do I have
to manually pay GST on a parcel from the US?

Don’t you already do that?  Pay GST to the postman / delivery man when you import?

Ive never paid for GST for an overseas item UNLESS it was collected by the selling
platform. This has been overlooked / too hard to implement by the local postal
service.

  
  I'm setting up to place an order and just need to know if I should expect
GST on something around $50-$60 AUD in value, not including GST.

So how does this work if the order gets paid so close to July 1?

When the GST is (will be) collected by BL, there’ll be a receipt that the seller
will join to the package so that AU customs don’t re-collect it.

When the GST is not collected by BL / when there’s no proof it was collected,
you’ll pay it at reception.


  I'm also looking into selling some LEGO parts, definitely after June 1st,
though, do I need to do anything in particular?

As an Australian yourself, before or after that date, your obligations to Australy
are the same.
Check the help page https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=2597 , there’s
a link to an Australian page explaining when you need to do something (register
for GST or not for instance…).

You dont need to register for GST if you sell less than $ 75k AUD turn over.
GST doesnt need to be added to your sales below that value of turnover. See
here: https://www.ato.gov.au/Business/GST/Registering-for-GST/ for local businesses.
 Author: SylvainLS View Messages Posted By SylvainLS
 Posted: May 24, 2023 08:01
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In Administrative, Yogi_007 writes:
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Ive never paid for GST for an overseas item UNLESS it was collected by the selling
platform. This has been overlooked / too hard to implement by the local postal
service.

Lucky you… well, not any more
 Author: Yogi_007 View Messages Posted By Yogi_007
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In Administrative, SylvainLS writes:
  In Administrative, Yogi_007 writes:
  […]
Ive never paid for GST for an overseas item UNLESS it was collected by the selling
platform. This has been overlooked / too hard to implement by the local postal
service.

Lucky you… well, not any more

Depends on the platform - BUT not on BL anymore
 Author: nevyn68 View Messages Posted By nevyn68
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In Administrative, Admin_Russell writes:
  Dear BrickLink members,

On June 1, 2023 we plan to implement new marketplace features and settings to
handle Australian Goods and Services Tax (GST). This will mostly affect transactions
where an Australian buyer is purchasing from stores outside of Australia, but
it will also affect all Australian BrickLink members to a degree (both buyers
and sellers).

Here is a summary of what will change:

1. BrickLink will now collect Australian GST for all orders being shipped into
Australia from the outside with a consignment value under $1,000 AUD. As with
other taxes collected on the BrickLink site, this means that all such orders
will require an onsite payment method.

2. When seller invoices go out on June 5th, GST will now be added to the invoice
for Australian sellers.

3. Australian business sellers who are GST registered will now have the option
to upload tax information to their BrickLink seller profile. GST will not be
added to the monthly fee invoice for such sellers.

We plan to send out emails to all affected BrickLink members later this week.
For a deeper explanation of this implementation, please see our new Help Page,
Australian Tax:

https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=2597

Thanks for reading, and feel free comment below if you have further questions.

The BrickLink Team

Since when do we pay GST on 2nd hand goods?
New = Yes.... Used = No....
How are you going to seperate this?
 Author: QBricks View Messages Posted By QBricks
 Posted: May 24, 2023 02:03
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In Administrative, nevyn68 writes:
  In Administrative, Admin_Russell writes:
  Dear BrickLink members,

On June 1, 2023 we plan to implement new marketplace features and settings to
handle Australian Goods and Services Tax (GST). This will mostly affect transactions
where an Australian buyer is purchasing from stores outside of Australia, but
it will also affect all Australian BrickLink members to a degree (both buyers
and sellers).

Here is a summary of what will change:

1. BrickLink will now collect Australian GST for all orders being shipped into
Australia from the outside with a consignment value under $1,000 AUD. As with
other taxes collected on the BrickLink site, this means that all such orders
will require an onsite payment method.

2. When seller invoices go out on June 5th, GST will now be added to the invoice
for Australian sellers.

3. Australian business sellers who are GST registered will now have the option
to upload tax information to their BrickLink seller profile. GST will not be
added to the monthly fee invoice for such sellers.

We plan to send out emails to all affected BrickLink members later this week.
For a deeper explanation of this implementation, please see our new Help Page,
Australian Tax:

https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=2597

Thanks for reading, and feel free comment below if you have further questions.

The BrickLink Team

Since when do we pay GST on 2nd hand goods?
New = Yes.... Used = No....
How are you going to seperate this?

GST has always applied to second-hand goods from GST registered suppliers, so
there's no need for them to separate new and used.

For low value imports, the EDP/online marketplace is deemed to be the supplier,
so if the marketplace is GST registered, second-hand goods will attract GST.

https://www.ato.gov.au/Business/International-tax-for-business/GST-on-imported-goods-and-services/Australian-consumers-importing-goods-and-services/
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 Posted: May 24, 2023 07:34
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In Administrative, QBricks writes:
  In Administrative, nevyn68 writes:
  In Administrative, Admin_Russell writes:
  Dear BrickLink members,

On June 1, 2023 we plan to implement new marketplace features and settings to
handle Australian Goods and Services Tax (GST). This will mostly affect transactions
where an Australian buyer is purchasing from stores outside of Australia, but
it will also affect all Australian BrickLink members to a degree (both buyers
and sellers).

Here is a summary of what will change:

1. BrickLink will now collect Australian GST for all orders being shipped into
Australia from the outside with a consignment value under $1,000 AUD. As with
other taxes collected on the BrickLink site, this means that all such orders
will require an onsite payment method.

2. When seller invoices go out on June 5th, GST will now be added to the invoice
for Australian sellers.

3. Australian business sellers who are GST registered will now have the option
to upload tax information to their BrickLink seller profile. GST will not be
added to the monthly fee invoice for such sellers.

We plan to send out emails to all affected BrickLink members later this week.
For a deeper explanation of this implementation, please see our new Help Page,
Australian Tax:

https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=2597

Thanks for reading, and feel free comment below if you have further questions.

The BrickLink Team

Since when do we pay GST on 2nd hand goods?
New = Yes.... Used = No....
How are you going to seperate this?

GST has always applied to second-hand goods from GST registered suppliers, so
there's no need for them to separate new and used.

For low value imports, the EDP/online marketplace is deemed to be the supplier,
so if the marketplace is GST registered, second-hand goods will attract GST.

https://www.ato.gov.au/Business/International-tax-for-business/GST-on-imported-goods-and-services/Australian-consumers-importing-goods-and-services/

My understanding is that any GST is only collected when the item is first sold
if sold in Asutralia to Australians. And as such, the GST responsibility is
discharged at that time. Hence no additional GST on used items sold within Australia.

However, GST is payable on items sold to Australia from outside Australia.

What Id like comment on is whether this applies to the product only i.e. lego
bricks or whether it also applies to the shipping and other charges. The BL
help page suggests the whole order cost which I didnt believe was correct.

Yogi
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In Administrative, Yogi_007 writes:
  […]
  https://www.ato.gov.au/Business/International-tax-for-business/GST-on-imported-goods-and-services/Australian-consumers-importing-goods-and-services/

My understanding is that any GST is only collected when the item is first sold
if sold in Asutralia to Australians. And as such, the GST responsibility is
discharged at that time. Hence no additional GST on used items sold within Australia.

However, GST is payable on items sold to Australia from outside Australia.

What Id like comment on is whether this applies to the product only i.e. lego
bricks or whether it also applies to the shipping and other charges. The BL
help page suggests the whole order cost which I didnt believe was correct.

It’s in the page linked by QBricks :
“When purchasing low value imported goods, shipping and insurance costs are part
of the price of the delivered goods that GST is calculated on.”

I think the rationale is: for importations, the government can’t check what is
what and wants to be sure they get taxes on everything, so everything is taxed.
On domestic sales, that it’s secondhand and shipping and insurance can be checked,
at least when auditing the seller, even if that doesn’t happen often.

(Besides, if you have the same rules as us with VAT, there’s no GST/VAT on shipping
only when the seller “acts on behalf of the buyer.”  That is, when the seller
charges the exact price they pay, no service added.  As soon as the seller adds
a service (handling, or even commercial prices), then they don’t act on behalf
of the buyer any more, and everything is taxed.)
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In Administrative, SylvainLS writes:
  In Administrative, Yogi_007 writes:
  […]
  https://www.ato.gov.au/Business/International-tax-for-business/GST-on-imported-goods-and-services/Australian-consumers-importing-goods-and-services/

My understanding is that any GST is only collected when the item is first sold
if sold in Asutralia to Australians. And as such, the GST responsibility is
discharged at that time. Hence no additional GST on used items sold within Australia.

However, GST is payable on items sold to Australia from outside Australia.

What Id like comment on is whether this applies to the product only i.e. lego
bricks or whether it also applies to the shipping and other charges. The BL
help page suggests the whole order cost which I didnt believe was correct.

It’s in the page linked by QBricks :
“When purchasing low value imported goods, shipping and insurance costs are part
of the price of the delivered goods that GST is calculated on.”

Missed that bit Must be my old eyes or scanning too fast or both !

  
I think the rationale is: for importations, the government can’t check what is
what and wants to be sure they get taxes on everything, so everything is taxed.
On domestic sales, that it’s secondhand and shipping and insurance can be checked,
at least when auditing the seller, even if that doesn’t happen often.

(Besides, if you have the same rules as us with VAT, there’s no GST/VAT on shipping
only when the seller “acts on behalf of the buyer.”  That is, when the seller
charges the exact price they pay, no service added.  As soon as the seller adds
a service (handling, or even commercial prices), then they don’t act on behalf
of the buyer any more, and everything is taxed.)
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In Administrative, SylvainLS writes:
  In Administrative, Yogi_007 writes:
  […]
  https://www.ato.gov.au/Business/International-tax-for-business/GST-on-imported-goods-and-services/Australian-consumers-importing-goods-and-services/

My understanding is that any GST is only collected when the item is first sold
if sold in Asutralia to Australians. And as such, the GST responsibility is
discharged at that time. Hence no additional GST on used items sold within Australia.

However, GST is payable on items sold to Australia from outside Australia.

What Id like comment on is whether this applies to the product only i.e. lego
bricks or whether it also applies to the shipping and other charges. The BL
help page suggests the whole order cost which I didnt believe was correct.

It’s in the page linked by QBricks :
“When purchasing low value imported goods, shipping and insurance costs are part
of the price of the delivered goods that GST is calculated on.”

I think the rationale is: for importations, the government can’t check what is
what and wants to be sure they get taxes on everything, so everything is taxed.
On domestic sales, that it’s secondhand and shipping and insurance can be checked,
at least when auditing the seller, even if that doesn’t happen often.

(Besides, if you have the same rules as us with VAT, there’s no GST/VAT on shipping
only when the seller “acts on behalf of the buyer.”  That is, when the seller
charges the exact price they pay, no service added.  As soon as the seller adds
a service (handling, or even commercial prices), then they don’t act on behalf
of the buyer any more, and everything is taxed.)

We do pay GST on shipping but can claim a credit for that and any other GST we've
paid on purchases & other expenses against the GST that's payable on sales
and any other added services, handling etc.

It's done through a Business Activity Statement that we have to lodge with
the ATO every quarter.
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In Administrative, QBricks writes:
  […]
  (Besides, if you have the same rules as us with VAT, there’s no GST/VAT on shipping
only when the seller “acts on behalf of the buyer.”  That is, when the seller
charges the exact price they pay, no service added.  As soon as the seller adds
a service (handling, or even commercial prices), then they don’t act on behalf
of the buyer any more, and everything is taxed.)

We do pay GST on shipping but can claim a credit for that and any other GST we've
paid on purchases & other expenses against the GST that's payable on sales
and any other added services, handling etc.

It's done through a Business Activity Statement that we have to lodge with
the ATO every quarter.

Yeah, that’s the same with VAT.

What I meant is that, but for stringent exceptions, shipping is considered a
product/service you offer and so you have to collect VAT on all of it (even if
you didn’t pay VAT on it / there’s no VAT to deduct).

When people look at the postal services, they see it’s “VAT-free” and they think
all shipping is untaxed.
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In Administrative, Yogi_007 writes:
  In Administrative, QBricks writes:
  In Administrative, nevyn68 writes:
  In Administrative, Admin_Russell writes:
  Dear BrickLink members,

On June 1, 2023 we plan to implement new marketplace features and settings to
handle Australian Goods and Services Tax (GST). This will mostly affect transactions
where an Australian buyer is purchasing from stores outside of Australia, but
it will also affect all Australian BrickLink members to a degree (both buyers
and sellers).

Here is a summary of what will change:

1. BrickLink will now collect Australian GST for all orders being shipped into
Australia from the outside with a consignment value under $1,000 AUD. As with
other taxes collected on the BrickLink site, this means that all such orders
will require an onsite payment method.

2. When seller invoices go out on June 5th, GST will now be added to the invoice
for Australian sellers.

3. Australian business sellers who are GST registered will now have the option
to upload tax information to their BrickLink seller profile. GST will not be
added to the monthly fee invoice for such sellers.

We plan to send out emails to all affected BrickLink members later this week.
For a deeper explanation of this implementation, please see our new Help Page,
Australian Tax:

https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=2597

Thanks for reading, and feel free comment below if you have further questions.

The BrickLink Team

Since when do we pay GST on 2nd hand goods?
New = Yes.... Used = No....
How are you going to seperate this?

GST has always applied to second-hand goods from GST registered suppliers, so
there's no need for them to separate new and used.

For low value imports, the EDP/online marketplace is deemed to be the supplier,
so if the marketplace is GST registered, second-hand goods will attract GST.

https://www.ato.gov.au/Business/International-tax-for-business/GST-on-imported-goods-and-services/Australian-consumers-importing-goods-and-services/

My understanding is that any GST is only collected when the item is first sold
if sold in Asutralia to Australians. And as such, the GST responsibility is
discharged at that time. Hence no additional GST on used items sold within Australia.


There's no GST payable on a private sale of used goods but say you bought
someone's used collection and resold it here and made a profit, then if you
were registered for GST, it would be payable on any value you add.

I believe you can claim a GST credit on used goods though, even if you didn't
pay any when you bought them.

  However, GST is payable on items sold to Australia from outside Australia.

What Id like comment on is whether this applies to the product only i.e. lego
bricks or whether it also applies to the shipping and other charges. The BL
help page suggests the whole order cost which I didnt believe was correct.

Yogi
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There's no GST payable on a private sale of used goods but say you bought
someone's used collection and resold it here and made a profit, then if you
were registered for GST, it would be payable on any value you add.

I believe you can claim a GST credit on used goods though, even if you didn't
pay any when you bought them.

For VAT, that’s called the “margin VAT” scheme (you collect VAT only on your
margin, so it’s not that you deduct VAT you didn’t pay, it’s that what you paid
isn’t included in the calculation).  And you can see a lot of threads here about
BL not supporting it….
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  GST has always applied to second-hand goods from GST registered suppliers, so
there's no need for them to separate new and used.

For low value imports, the EDP/online marketplace is deemed to be the supplier,
so if the marketplace is GST registered, second-hand goods will attract GST.

https://www.ato.gov.au/Business/International-tax-for-business/GST-on-imported-goods-and-services/Australian-consumers-importing-goods-and-services/

Isn’t BL just the platform on which we buy from registered stores. I’d love to
see how many stores actually qualify for GST inclusion on here (75000aud).

Bit of a shame though I don’t reckon as many people will want to drop 10%gst
5%paypal 1%currency plus shipping on items which had their relevant gst paid
when first bought. Feeding too many mouths with each purchase.
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In Administrative, KynanG writes:
  
  GST has always applied to second-hand goods from GST registered suppliers, so
there's no need for them to separate new and used.

For low value imports, the EDP/online marketplace is deemed to be the supplier,
so if the marketplace is GST registered, second-hand goods will attract GST.

https://www.ato.gov.au/Business/International-tax-for-business/GST-on-imported-goods-and-services/Australian-consumers-importing-goods-and-services/

Isn’t BL just the platform on which we buy from registered stores. I’d love to
see how many stores actually qualify for GST inclusion on here (75000aud).

Probably more than you'd think. It's not just the order value that counts
towards the $75000 threshold, it's the total amount a buyer pays, including
shipping and handling.

  Bit of a shame though I don’t reckon as many people will want to drop 10%gst
5%paypal 1%currency plus shipping on items which had their relevant gst paid
when first bought. Feeding too many mouths with each purchase.

If you've bought from some of the larger Australian stores, you'd have
been paying GST, but it would have been included in the listed price, not shown
separately.

The tax on low value imports isn't a new thing, it was introduced in 2018,
it's just new to BrickLink. If you've bought from an overseas business
with a large enough turnover here, or from sellers on larger marketplaces you'd
have been paying it for the last few years.
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Will there be an option to forego adding gst to some items a user imports? To
my understanding it is not payable on secondhand goods here so I am not sure
where the money is going if we do get charged. Does BL have a link to the tax
code they are working within?
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In Administrative, KynanG writes:
  Will there be an option to forego adding gst to some items a user imports? To
my understanding it is not payable on secondhand goods here so I am not sure
where the money is going if we do get charged. Does BL have a link to the tax
code they are working within?

See QBricks’ answer about secondhand items: https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1412159
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Does this mean anything for an Australian seller who sells to an Australian buyer?
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  Does this mean anything for an Australian seller who sells to an Australian buyer?

No.
It’s like UK & EU (and soon Norway, and, I guess, New Zealand): it’s only for
importations.
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To Australian sellers that have an ABN (Australian Business Number) and already
registered for GST, this won't effect them much. It will make the paperwork
a little better with GST quoted in the invoices and such. Plus it means money
just going round in circles as you get it back anyway when you do your bas and
able to claim the GST as credit against the GST you need to pay every month or
quarter or yearly, however you have it setup. Being registered for GST since
2003, its something that I have done anyway with importations that were charged
GST. At least now buying stock from overseas you will be able to claim it without
having to separate it as a non GST expense.

However, I do feel for the buyers as under GST rulings you are not meant to be
charged GST and import charges on goods under $1000. However the last few years
it has been changing and with US state sales tax and VAT coming in over five
years ago, it was only a matter of time before this came to Australia and other
countries.

Whereabouts do you fill in your tax info? It says under seller profile but I
am unable to see it? Is there a direct link or does it still need to be implemented?

Brett.




In Administrative, Admin_Russell writes:
  Dear BrickLink members,

On June 1, 2023 we plan to implement new marketplace features and settings to
handle Australian Goods and Services Tax (GST). This will mostly affect transactions
where an Australian buyer is purchasing from stores outside of Australia, but
it will also affect all Australian BrickLink members to a degree (both buyers
and sellers).

Here is a summary of what will change:

1. BrickLink will now collect Australian GST for all orders being shipped into
Australia from the outside with a consignment value under $1,000 AUD. As with
other taxes collected on the BrickLink site, this means that all such orders
will require an onsite payment method.

2. When seller invoices go out on June 5th, GST will now be added to the invoice
for Australian sellers.

3. Australian business sellers who are GST registered will now have the option
to upload tax information to their BrickLink seller profile. GST will not be
added to the monthly fee invoice for such sellers.

We plan to send out emails to all affected BrickLink members later this week.
For a deeper explanation of this implementation, please see our new Help Page,
Australian Tax:

https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=2597

Thanks for reading, and feel free comment below if you have further questions.

The BrickLink Team
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In Administrative, maxlego writes:
  To Australian sellers that have an ABN (Australian Business Number) and already
registered for GST, this won't effect them much. It will make the paperwork
a little better with GST quoted in the invoices and such. Plus it means money
just going round in circles as you get it back anyway when you do your bas and
able to claim the GST as credit against the GST you need to pay every month or
quarter or yearly, however you have it setup. Being registered for GST since
2003, its something that I have done anyway with importations that were charged
GST. At least now buying stock from overseas you will be able to claim it without
having to separate it as a non GST expense.

However, I do feel for the buyers as under GST rulings you are not meant to be
charged GST and import charges on goods under $1000. However the last few years
it has been changing and with US state sales tax and VAT coming in over five
years ago, it was only a matter of time before this came to Australia and other
countries.

Whereabouts do you fill in your tax info? It says under seller profile but I
am unable to see it? Is there a direct link or does it still need to be implemented?

Brett.

This will go live when the solution is deployed. June 1st is still the target.
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Thanks Russell
Been a while, how have you been?


In Administrative, Admin_Russell writes:
  In Administrative, maxlego writes:
  To Australian sellers that have an ABN (Australian Business Number) and already
registered for GST, this won't effect them much. It will make the paperwork
a little better with GST quoted in the invoices and such. Plus it means money
just going round in circles as you get it back anyway when you do your bas and
able to claim the GST as credit against the GST you need to pay every month or
quarter or yearly, however you have it setup. Being registered for GST since
2003, its something that I have done anyway with importations that were charged
GST. At least now buying stock from overseas you will be able to claim it without
having to separate it as a non GST expense.

However, I do feel for the buyers as under GST rulings you are not meant to be
charged GST and import charges on goods under $1000. However the last few years
it has been changing and with US state sales tax and VAT coming in over five
years ago, it was only a matter of time before this came to Australia and other
countries.

Whereabouts do you fill in your tax info? It says under seller profile but I
am unable to see it? Is there a direct link or does it still need to be implemented?

Brett.

This will go live when the solution is deployed. June 1st is still the target.
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In Administrative, maxlego writes:
  Thanks Russell
Been a while, how have you been?

It has been a while. Keeping very busy as you can imagine.
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In Administrative, Admin_Russell writes:
  In Administrative, maxlego writes:
  
Whereabouts do you fill in your tax info? It says under seller profile but I
am unable to see it? Is there a direct link or does it still need to be implemented?

Brett.

This will go live when the solution is deployed. June 1st is still the target.

Hey Russell,
Is this live yet? I'm not seeing where we can put tax info in yet!

Brett.
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Looks like I found where to put your ABN. So its in now but noticed my last months
fees is being charged GST! Will this be rectified as sellers registered with
GST is not supposed to be charged it! Thought I better mention that.
FYI, GST is meant to be charged at 1/11 of the total cost and not at 10%. Even
though its stated as a 10% GST its technically not . Thats Australia for ya

Thank you.
Brett.



In Administrative, maxlego writes:
  In Administrative, Admin_Russell writes:
  In Administrative, maxlego writes:
  
Whereabouts do you fill in your tax info? It says under seller profile but I
am unable to see it? Is there a direct link or does it still need to be implemented?

Brett.

This will go live when the solution is deployed. June 1st is still the target.

Hey Russell,
Is this live yet? I'm not seeing where we can put tax info in yet!

Brett.
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In Administrative, maxlego writes:
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FYI, GST is meant to be charged at 1/11 of the total cost and not at 10%. Even
though its stated as a 10% GST its technically not . Thats Australia for ya


6 of one:
All taxes included: $110
Taxes: 1/11th of $110 = $10
“Rest”: $110 - $10 = $100

half a dozen of the other:
Taxes excluded: $100
Taxes due: 10% of $100 = $10
Total due: $100 + $10 = $110

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They've charged it correctly but generally we need a valid tax invoice to
be able to claim a GST credit and I'm not sure the invoice we got has sufficient
info.

https://www.ato.gov.au/Business/GST/Claiming-GST-credits/When-you-can-claim-a-GST-credit/

In Administrative, maxlego writes:
  Looks like I found where to put your ABN. So its in now but noticed my last months
fees is being charged GST! Will this be rectified as sellers registered with
GST is not supposed to be charged it! Thought I better mention that.
FYI, GST is meant to be charged at 1/11 of the total cost and not at 10%. Even
though its stated as a 10% GST its technically not . Thats Australia for ya

Thank you.
Brett.



In Administrative, maxlego writes:
  In Administrative, Admin_Russell writes:
  In Administrative, maxlego writes:
  
Whereabouts do you fill in your tax info? It says under seller profile but I
am unable to see it? Is there a direct link or does it still need to be implemented?

Brett.

This will go live when the solution is deployed. June 1st is still the target.

Hey Russell,
Is this live yet? I'm not seeing where we can put tax info in yet!

Brett.
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In Administrative, maxlego writes:
  […]
However, I do feel for the buyers as under GST rulings you are not meant to be
charged GST and import charges on goods under $1000. However the last few years
it has been changing and with US state sales tax and VAT coming in over five
years ago, it was only a matter of time before this came to Australia and other
countries.

I find it surprising that some countries had such a big threshold, even islands,
where transport cost would be a barrier.  That’s unfair to the domestic market
to be able to buy from abroad without tax.
(Well, there’s the USA as a big example too )

For info, EU import VAT has always been due… there was only an exception for
low amounts (€22/£15) because it was too costly to collect (hurrah for internet
and marketplaces that can do the job for the government ).

So, EU buyers don’t lose much (or even win) with the new scheme: we lost the
€22 exception (and some packages managed to fly under the radar) but we have
no brokerage fees from the postal & courrier services anymore.  Well, when we
are not double-VATed… (though there hasn’t been posts about it for some time
now).

Seems AU buyers are losing in the change.

Any idea if the NZ buyers (who are next in line) will lose too?
(Norway should be like EU, or maybe more exactly like UK.)
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Australia is a large resource country and the government here was always concerned
about taxing resources which generate a lot of money for Australia. So the government
never was concerned about getting more tax revenue by lowering the thresholds
on imports or even raising GST but as I said before it is changing and there
has been talk of it but never really pursued.

Another thing to mention is that if Bricklink intends to charge GST it would
have to be registered as an Australian business and must quote their ABN number
when collecting GST. I assume that this has been done already.

Brett.



In Administrative, SylvainLS writes:
  In Administrative, maxlego writes:
  […]
However, I do feel for the buyers as under GST rulings you are not meant to be
charged GST and import charges on goods under $1000. However the last few years
it has been changing and with US state sales tax and VAT coming in over five
years ago, it was only a matter of time before this came to Australia and other
countries.

I find it surprising that some countries had such a big threshold, even islands,
where transport cost would be a barrier.  That’s unfair to the domestic market
to be able to buy from abroad without tax.
(Well, there’s the USA as a big example too )

For info, EU import VAT has always been due… there was only an exception for
low amounts (€22/£15) because it was too costly to collect (hurrah for internet
and marketplaces that can do the job for the government ).

So, EU buyers don’t lose much (or even win) with the new scheme: we lost the
€22 exception (and some packages managed to fly under the radar) but we have
no brokerage fees from the postal & courrier services anymore.  Well, when we
are not double-VATed… (though there hasn’t been posts about it for some time
now).

Seems AU buyers are losing in the change.

Any idea if the NZ buyers (who are next in line) will lose too?
(Norway should be like EU, or maybe more exactly like UK.)
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"BrickLink will now collect Australian GST for all orders being shipped into
Australia from the outside with a consignment value under $1,000 AUD. As with
other taxes collected on the BrickLink site, this means that all such orders
will require an onsite payment method."


This is not how GST and Australian tax law works. The goods on bricklink are
not taxable unless the seller is a registered business.

Individuals buying and selling items do not pay GST to each other!

Only the service component of 3% bricklink fees is taxable here.


Prepare to loose all your Australian customers over this farce.
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In Administrative, Nicks.Bricks.Au writes:
  "BrickLink will now collect Australian GST for all orders being shipped into
Australia from the outside with a consignment value under $1,000 AUD. As with
other taxes collected on the BrickLink site, this means that all such orders
will require an onsite payment method."


This is not how GST and Australian tax law works. The goods on bricklink are
not taxable unless the seller is a registered business.

Individuals buying and selling items do not pay GST to each other!

Only the service component of 3% bricklink fees is taxable here.


Prepare to loose all your Australian customers over this farce.

Because of new online marketplace legislation, in many countries BrickLink is
considered to be the deemed supplier, not the BrickLink sellers. Since we are
now a Registered Business in Australia and our thresholds are high, we qualify
as having to collect the tax. This is a legal obligation for us, not an optional
service.
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Lol, question already answered by Russell in regards to bricklink being registered
business in Australia.


In Administrative, Admin_Russell writes:
  In Administrative, Nicks.Bricks.Au writes:
  "BrickLink will now collect Australian GST for all orders being shipped into
Australia from the outside with a consignment value under $1,000 AUD. As with
other taxes collected on the BrickLink site, this means that all such orders
will require an onsite payment method."


This is not how GST and Australian tax law works. The goods on bricklink are
not taxable unless the seller is a registered business.

Individuals buying and selling items do not pay GST to each other!

Only the service component of 3% bricklink fees is taxable here.


Prepare to loose all your Australian customers over this farce.

Because of new online marketplace legislation, in many countries BrickLink is
considered to be the deemed supplier, not the BrickLink sellers. Since we are
now a Registered Business in Australia and our thresholds are high, we qualify
as having to collect the tax. This is a legal obligation for us, not an optional
service.
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In Administrative, Admin_Russell writes:
  In Administrative, Nicks.Bricks.Au writes:
  "BrickLink will now collect Australian GST for all orders being shipped into
Australia from the outside with a consignment value under $1,000 AUD. As with
other taxes collected on the BrickLink site, this means that all such orders
will require an onsite payment method."


This is not how GST and Australian tax law works. The goods on bricklink are
not taxable unless the seller is a registered business.

Individuals buying and selling items do not pay GST to each other!

Only the service component of 3% bricklink fees is taxable here.


Prepare to loose all your Australian customers over this farce.

Because of new online marketplace legislation, in many countries BrickLink is
considered to be the deemed supplier, not the BrickLink sellers. Since we are
now a Registered Business in Australia and our thresholds are high, we qualify
as having to collect the tax. This is a legal obligation for us, not an optional
service.

Does this mean you will be issuing tax invoices with an ABN? Or will you only
be issuing receipts with an ARN? If it is the latter will buyers be able to provide
their ABN and not pay GST on imports as per the law? https://www.ato.gov.au/business/international-tax-for-business/GST-on-imported-goods-and-services/Australian-business-importing-goods-and-services/#WhetherGSTapplies
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  Prepare to loose all your Australian customers over this farce.

Because of new online marketplace legislation, in many countries BrickLink is
considered to be the deemed supplier, not the BrickLink sellers. Since we are
now a Registered Business in Australia and our thresholds are high, we qualify
as having to collect the tax. This is a legal obligation for us, not an optional
service.

Does this mean you will be issuing tax invoices with an ABN?

Yes.

As shown in the Help page:

https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=2597

At the foot of the receipt you can see "TAX ID: UNKNOWN". This will be
filled in on receipts issued after this solution has been implemented.
 
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Why does this GST receipt shows 1001 bricks???
Do I owe something?!
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In Administrative, 1001bricks writes:
  Why does this GST receipt shows 1001 bricks???
Do I owe something?!


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2. When seller invoices go out on June 5th, GST will now be added to the invoice
for Australian sellers.

If my store is a 'hobby business' without an ABN, it is not required
to collect GST, are you going to be able to 'turn off' GST collection
if this applies?
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In Administrative, deanonet writes:
  2. When seller invoices go out on June 5th, GST will now be added to the invoice
for Australian sellers.

If my store is a 'hobby business' without an ABN, it is not required
to collect GST, are you going to be able to 'turn off' GST collection
if this applies?

The GST referred to under point 2 above is GST on your fees as a seller, not
GST that you as a seller collect from others.
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In Administrative, Admin_Russell writes:
  In Administrative, deanonet writes:
  2. When seller invoices go out on June 5th, GST will now be added to the invoice
for Australian sellers.

If my store is a 'hobby business' without an ABN, it is not required
to collect GST, are you going to be able to 'turn off' GST collection
if this applies?

The GST referred to under point 2 above is GST on your fees as a seller, not
GST that you as a seller collect from others.

Do you have some kind of chart or image that shows a breakdown of these fees
and where they apply, for what reason?

Cheers ...

ghyde
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In Administrative, Admin_Russell writes:
  In Administrative, deanonet writes:
  2. When seller invoices go out on June 5th, GST will now be added to the invoice
for Australian sellers.

If my store is a 'hobby business' without an ABN, it is not required
to collect GST, are you going to be able to 'turn off' GST collection
if this applies?

The GST referred to under point 2 above is GST on your fees as a seller, not
GST that you as a seller collect from others.

Okay, I get it now and hopefully I can help a few others. Treat Bricklink like
your local physical local market. Toni (person selling) is not collecting GST
from their customers that purchase from the stall but Toni still has to pay the
market for the stall. Toni then pays GST on the cost of the stall at the market
and NOT on the goods selling.
Bricklink take a very small percentage of the goods we sell to pay for this site.
It is THAT that we pay the GST on.
Am I correct in that analogy?
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In Administrative, deanonet writes:
  […]
  The GST referred to under point 2 above is GST on your fees as a seller, not
GST that you as a seller collect from others.

Okay, I get it now and hopefully I can help a few others. Treat Bricklink like
your local physical local market. Toni (person selling) is not collecting GST
from their customers that purchase from the stall but Toni still has to pay the
market for the stall. Toni then pays GST on the cost of the stall at the market
and NOT on the goods selling.
Bricklink take a very small percentage of the goods we sell to pay for this site.
It is THAT that we pay the GST on.
Am I correct in that analogy?

Yes
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We do not pay GST on second hand goods in Australia
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In Administrative, lukester1 writes:
  We do not pay GST on second hand goods in Australia

Are marketplaces expected to distinguish between new and second hand goods in
Australia?

Cheers ...

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In Administrative, lukester1 writes:
  We do not pay GST on second hand goods in Australia

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In Administrative, Admin_Russell writes:
  Dear BrickLink members,

On June 1, 2023 we plan to implement new marketplace features and settings to
handle Australian Goods and Services Tax (GST). This will mostly affect transactions
where an Australian buyer is purchasing from stores outside of Australia, but
it will also affect all Australian BrickLink members to a degree (both buyers
and sellers).

Here is a summary of what will change:

1. BrickLink will now collect Australian GST for all orders being shipped into
Australia from the outside with a consignment value under $1,000 AUD. As with
other taxes collected on the BrickLink site, this means that all such orders
will require an onsite payment method.

2. When seller invoices go out on June 5th, GST will now be added to the invoice
for Australian sellers.

3. Australian business sellers who are GST registered will now have the option
to upload tax information to their BrickLink seller profile. GST will not be
added to the monthly fee invoice for such sellers.

We plan to send out emails to all affected BrickLink members later this week.
For a deeper explanation of this implementation, please see our new Help Page,
Australian Tax:

https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=2597

Thanks for reading, and feel free comment below if you have further questions.

The BrickLink Team

I hate this country, Govt ruined it
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In Administrative, Dingoboy writes:
  In Administrative, Admin_Russell writes:
  Dear BrickLink members,

On June 1, 2023 we plan to implement new marketplace features and settings to
handle Australian Goods and Services Tax (GST). This will mostly affect transactions
where an Australian buyer is purchasing from stores outside of Australia, but
it will also affect all Australian BrickLink members to a degree (both buyers
and sellers).

Here is a summary of what will change:

1. BrickLink will now collect Australian GST for all orders being shipped into
Australia from the outside with a consignment value under $1,000 AUD. As with
other taxes collected on the BrickLink site, this means that all such orders
will require an onsite payment method.

2. When seller invoices go out on June 5th, GST will now be added to the invoice
for Australian sellers.

3. Australian business sellers who are GST registered will now have the option
to upload tax information to their BrickLink seller profile. GST will not be
added to the monthly fee invoice for such sellers.

We plan to send out emails to all affected BrickLink members later this week.
For a deeper explanation of this implementation, please see our new Help Page,
Australian Tax:

https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=2597

Thanks for reading, and feel free comment below if you have further questions.

The BrickLink Team

I hate this country, Govt ruined it


Yeah, you're the only country that has to pay taxes... (facepalm)
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In Administrative, brick.warehouse writes:
  It seems like Australian buyers will be charged GST as a hidden fee that only
appears during checkout.

In Australia, prices are usually listed as inclusive of applicable sales taxes.

This will show to Australian buyers only on stores that are not located in Australia.

  
Is it not possible to include GST upfront in the price guide and store listings
pages?

As far as I know it is not possible with the current source code of Bricklink...
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Is there list of which other importing countries Bricklink currently or intends
to charge GST (or similar, e.g. VAT) for? Can't find to find this information
on the site, thanks.
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In Administrative, domain writes:
  Is there list of which other importing countries Bricklink currently or intends
to charge GST (or similar, e.g. VAT) for? Can't find to find this information
on the site, thanks.

Simply Help button, search for "tax" maybe?
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In Administrative, domain writes:
  Is there list of which other importing countries Bricklink currently or intends
to charge GST (or similar, e.g. VAT) for? Can't find to find this information
on the site, thanks.

US sales tax (not all states): https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=2467
UK VAT: https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=2514
    https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=2511
EU VAT: https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=2517
    https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=2518
AU GST: https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=2597

Next in line:
— New Zealand GST¹
— Norway VAT¹
— Canada GST/HST/PST?

¹: https://mailchi.mp/09e3481ac2ab/bricklink-marketplace-newsletter-may-23
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Hey Russell,
Thought I better mention this as I don't think it has been mentioned in the
help page or on this forum page. If a buyer was to purchase in the US just say
and use US currency as payment, would he/she be subject to GST? The reason I
mention this is because technically US or any other currency other then Australian
dollars is not subject to tax or GST because other currencies are not legal tender
in Australia. Many years ago I dealt with a tax auditor that explained a lot
of the ins and outs of importing/exporting and the things you can claim and not
claim, etc. One thing that stood out was if you accepted a payment other then
Australian dollars, it was not subject to tax unless you converted it to Australian
dollars. So if you never converted it, it would not be part of your taxable income.
Now at the time, I thought that would be way too complicated to not declare all
overseas income unless they paid in Australian dollars or you converted the currencies,
especially if you didn't use the currencies for a few months or even years.
So I just declared it all anyway even though I didn't need to, unless I converted
the currencies. Usually I use other currencies to purchase stock from other countries
where it is legal tender. Now I would understand that if a buyer used Australian
currency to purchase something from the US and converted it to US dollars, that
would still be subject to GST as the buyer originally used Australian currency.
But what happens if you have the currency on hand? I would assume many sellers
in Australia are accepting US dollars as payment because of the Bricklink fees
being in USD as it is easier to pay those fees in the same currency.
Now this comes to thought, Bricklink fees will be subject to GST too. So does
that mean that the fees will be in Australian currency or still in US currency?
The reason above should still apply if paying the fees in USD with USD.
Now this may have all changed now as I learnt this about 13 years ago and laws
and taxes may have changed but not to my knowledge at the moment so I thought
I better mention all of this. I'm sure this has probably been brought up
in the past when US state sales tax and VAT was first implemented by Bricklink.
So it would be good to find out if this still applies or it has changed in recent
years in regards to using other currencies and whether it is subject to GST or
not!
Thank you.
Brett.


In Administrative, Admin_Russell writes:
  Dear BrickLink members,

On June 1, 2023 we plan to implement new marketplace features and settings to
handle Australian Goods and Services Tax (GST). This will mostly affect transactions
where an Australian buyer is purchasing from stores outside of Australia, but
it will also affect all Australian BrickLink members to a degree (both buyers
and sellers).

Here is a summary of what will change:

1. BrickLink will now collect Australian GST for all orders being shipped into
Australia from the outside with a consignment value under $1,000 AUD. As with
other taxes collected on the BrickLink site, this means that all such orders
will require an onsite payment method.

2. When seller invoices go out on June 5th, GST will now be added to the invoice
for Australian sellers.

3. Australian business sellers who are GST registered will now have the option
to upload tax information to their BrickLink seller profile. GST will not be
added to the monthly fee invoice for such sellers.

We plan to send out emails to all affected BrickLink members later this week.
For a deeper explanation of this implementation, please see our new Help Page,
Australian Tax:

https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=2597

Thanks for reading, and feel free comment below if you have further questions.

The BrickLink Team
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In Administrative, maxlego writes:
  Hey Russell,
Thought I better mention this as I don't think it has been mentioned in the
help page or on this forum page. If a buyer was to purchase in the US just say
and use US currency as payment, would he/she be subject to GST? The reason I
mention this is because technically US or any other currency other then Australian
dollars is not subject to tax or GST because other currencies are not legal tender
in Australia. Many years ago I dealt with a tax auditor that explained a lot
of the ins and outs of importing/exporting and the things you can claim and not
claim, etc. One thing that stood out was if you accepted a payment other then
Australian dollars, it was not subject to tax unless you converted it to Australian
dollars. So if you never converted it, it would not be part of your taxable income.
Now at the time, I thought that would be way too complicated to not declare all
overseas income unless they paid in Australian dollars or you converted the currencies,
especially if you didn't use the currencies for a few months or even years.
So I just declared it all anyway even though I didn't need to, unless I converted
the currencies. Usually I use other currencies to purchase stock from other countries
where it is legal tender. Now I would understand that if a buyer used Australian
currency to purchase something from the US and converted it to US dollars, that
would still be subject to GST as the buyer originally used Australian currency.
But what happens if you have the currency on hand? I would assume many sellers
in Australia are accepting US dollars as payment because of the Bricklink fees
being in USD as it is easier to pay those fees in the same currency.
Now this comes to thought, Bricklink fees will be subject to GST too. So does
that mean that the fees will be in Australian currency or still in US currency?
The reason above should still apply if paying the fees in USD with USD.
Now this may have all changed now as I learnt this about 13 years ago and laws
and taxes may have changed but not to my knowledge at the moment so I thought
I better mention all of this. I'm sure this has probably been brought up
in the past when US state sales tax and VAT was first implemented by Bricklink.
So it would be good to find out if this still applies or it has changed in recent
years in regards to using other currencies and whether it is subject to GST or
not!
Thank you.
Brett.

Thanks for bringing up this issue, Brett. I will ask our tax team about currency,
but I would be very surprised at this point if this is something they have not
considered. We work months in advance of any deployment, going through every
detail, and I've not heard that collection currency was a problem in any
country so far.

For the fees, they will be charged in US dollars and this is how they will be
shown on your invoice. If you are an Australian GST registered seller, though,
and you upload your details to your BrickLink account, you will not be charged
GST on your invoice at all. This will be left to account for when you handle
the taxes on your business.
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In Administrative, Admin_Russell writes:
  In Administrative, maxlego writes:
  Hey Russell,
Thought I better mention this as I don't think it has been mentioned in the
help page or on this forum page. If a buyer was to purchase in the US just say
and use US currency as payment, would he/she be subject to GST? The reason I
mention this is because technically US or any other currency other then Australian
dollars is not subject to tax or GST because other currencies are not legal tender
in Australia. Many years ago I dealt with a tax auditor that explained a lot
of the ins and outs of importing/exporting and the things you can claim and not
claim, etc. One thing that stood out was if you accepted a payment other then
Australian dollars, it was not subject to tax unless you converted it to Australian
dollars. So if you never converted it, it would not be part of your taxable income.
Now at the time, I thought that would be way too complicated to not declare all
overseas income unless they paid in Australian dollars or you converted the currencies,
especially if you didn't use the currencies for a few months or even years.
So I just declared it all anyway even though I didn't need to, unless I converted
the currencies. Usually I use other currencies to purchase stock from other countries
where it is legal tender. Now I would understand that if a buyer used Australian
currency to purchase something from the US and converted it to US dollars, that
would still be subject to GST as the buyer originally used Australian currency.
But what happens if you have the currency on hand? I would assume many sellers
in Australia are accepting US dollars as payment because of the Bricklink fees
being in USD as it is easier to pay those fees in the same currency.
Now this comes to thought, Bricklink fees will be subject to GST too. So does
that mean that the fees will be in Australian currency or still in US currency?
The reason above should still apply if paying the fees in USD with USD.
Now this may have all changed now as I learnt this about 13 years ago and laws
and taxes may have changed but not to my knowledge at the moment so I thought
I better mention all of this. I'm sure this has probably been brought up
in the past when US state sales tax and VAT was first implemented by Bricklink.
So it would be good to find out if this still applies or it has changed in recent
years in regards to using other currencies and whether it is subject to GST or
not!
Thank you.
Brett.

Thanks for bringing up this issue, Brett. I will ask our tax team about currency,
but I would be very surprised at this point if this is something they have not
considered. We work months in advance of any deployment, going through every
detail, and I've not heard that collection currency was a problem in any
country so far.

Thanks Russell, it would be good to get some clarification on this.

  
For the fees, they will be charged in US dollars and this is how they will be
shown on your invoice. If you are an Australian GST registered seller, though,
and you upload your details to your BrickLink account, you will not be charged
GST on your invoice at all. This will be left to account for when you handle
the taxes on your business.

That's interesting. So only GST registered sellers will be exempt from GST
for Brickink fees. Personally I have always exempted Bricklink and paypal fees
when doing my bas as they are, or were not subject to GST. But listed as a GST
free expense. So this is a change. I wonder if its the same for paypal or other
companies in similar situations. Something I have to look into.

Thanks again Russell
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In Administrative, maxlego writes:
  […]
  
  
  The reason I
mention this is because technically US or any other currency other then Australian
dollars is not subject to tax or GST because other currencies are not legal tender
in Australia. […]

Are you sure you aren’t forgetting another condition or technicality here?

Because if it were sufficient to not use AUD to not have to pay GST, wouldn’t
all of you be using USD, EUR, or platypus eggs instead?
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In Administrative, SylvainLS writes:
  In Administrative, maxlego writes:
  […]
  
  
  The reason I
mention this is because technically US or any other currency other then Australian
dollars is not subject to tax or GST because other currencies are not legal tender
in Australia. […]

Are you sure you aren’t forgetting another condition or technicality here?

Because if it were sufficient to not use AUD to not have to pay GST, wouldn’t
all of you be using USD, EUR, or platypus eggs instead?

Well, if we had all endless bank accounts in Australian dollars, most of us would
.
But living expenses and anything you need to buy here in Australia you need to
pay in AUD. None of them would accept other currencies.
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  Because if it were sufficient to not use AUD to not have to pay GST, wouldn’t
all of you be using USD, EUR, or platypus eggs instead?

Well, if we had all endless bank accounts in Australian dollars, most of us would
.
But living expenses and anything you need to buy here in Australia you need to
pay in AUD. None of them would accept other currencies.

We had this problem with our company back in 2006: BrickLink was only in USD
then.

Our accounting said no problem as long as:

* you invoice in your currency (for us it is EUR)

* so you calculate taxes in your currency (always), so EUR

* then you get paid in whatever you wish, like JPY, get whatever amount in EUR
after conversion (it's your problem), but you've to pay the exact amount
of taxes you invoiced in your currency (EUR).

It's how you've to do, and there's no exemption of taxes due to currency,
seriously
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In Administrative, 1001bricks writes:
  
  
  Because if it were sufficient to not use AUD to not have to pay GST, wouldn’t
all of you be using USD, EUR, or platypus eggs instead?

Well, if we had all endless bank accounts in Australian dollars, most of us would
.
But living expenses and anything you need to buy here in Australia you need to
pay in AUD. None of them would accept other currencies.

We had this problem with our company back in 2006: BrickLink was only in USD
then.

Our accounting said no problem as long as:

* you invoice in your currency (for us it is EUR)

* so you calculate taxes in your currency (always), so EUR

* then you get paid in whatever you wish, like JPY, get whatever amount in EUR
after conversion (it's your problem), but you've to pay the exact amount
of taxes you invoiced in your currency (EUR).

It's how you've to do, and there's no exemption of taxes due to currency,
seriously

Yes I remember when Bricklink was only a USD only site. Can't remember when
it changed but it was a few years back now. But when buyers submitted an order
they can request what currency to pay in and as a seller you could do your own
exchange rate. Most at the time just used XE or Oanda.

In Australia at the time you did not have to pay tax on other currencies you
received payment in unless you converted it. Once you converted it, you would
have to declare as income. Even if you had it sitting there for a few years,
once converted you had to declare it.
It was all too much for my head to do back then so I always declared overseas
orders every month just to keep my books up to date.
Sounds like its different with each country, but as stated before, its changing.
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In Administrative, maxlego writes:
  Hey Russell,
Thought I better mention this as I don't think it has been mentioned in the
help page or on this forum page. If a buyer was to purchase in the US just say
and use US currency as payment, would he/she be subject to GST? The reason I
mention this is because technically US or any other currency other then Australian
dollars is not subject to tax or GST because other currencies are not legal tender
in Australia. Many years ago I dealt with a tax auditor that explained a lot
of the ins and outs of importing/exporting and the things you can claim and not
claim, etc. One thing that stood out was if you accepted a payment other then
Australian dollars, it was not subject to tax unless you converted it to Australian
dollars. So if you never converted it, it would not be part of your taxable income.
Now at the time, I thought that would be way too complicated to not declare all
overseas income unless they paid in Australian dollars or you converted the currencies,
especially if you didn't use the currencies for a few months or even years.
So I just declared it all anyway even though I didn't need to, unless I converted
the currencies. Usually I use other currencies to purchase stock from other countries
where it is legal tender. Now I would understand that if a buyer used Australian
currency to purchase something from the US and converted it to US dollars, that
would still be subject to GST as the buyer originally used Australian currency.
But what happens if you have the currency on hand? I would assume many sellers
in Australia are accepting US dollars as payment because of the Bricklink fees
being in USD as it is easier to pay those fees in the same currency.
Now this comes to thought, Bricklink fees will be subject to GST too. So does
that mean that the fees will be in Australian currency or still in US currency?
The reason above should still apply if paying the fees in USD with USD.
Now this may have all changed now as I learnt this about 13 years ago and laws
and taxes may have changed but not to my knowledge at the moment so I thought
I better mention all of this. I'm sure this has probably been brought up
in the past when US state sales tax and VAT was first implemented by Bricklink.
So it would be good to find out if this still applies or it has changed in recent
years in regards to using other currencies and whether it is subject to GST or
not!
Thank you.
Brett.

https://www.ato.gov.au/General/Other-languages/In-detail/Information-in-other-languages/Goods-and-services-tax-(GST)-when-you-sell-to-Australia/

It might not matter if there is US currency on hand, the GST information page
I linked to above states the following in a paragraph under the title: Determiing
the customs value


Excerpt from this article:

--
Usually if goods are sold in Australian dollars, the customs value is the price
the goods are sold for, minus any amount included in the price for freight and
insurance from place of export to Australia. If the goods are not sold in Australian
dollars and it is not clear if the goods are low value goods, you will need to
convert the amounts into Australian dollars.
--

Therefore, if you're selling goods in another currency, and it's not
clear whether they're low value goods, you need to convert to Australian
dollars first, if you're a seller.

Having currency in other than Australian dollars might not be the issue, the
issue is that you have to check the value of the goods you're selling and
convert to Australian dollars to properly determine if GST should be charged.

The rest of this article is very useful information, including your rights and
obligations.

Hope that sheds some light on this subject.

Cheers ...

ghyde
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Every other business charges taxes on ordered over $1,000 not under.

What about used bricks. They don't get taxes.

Australian's always get's burnt with this rubbish.
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  What about used bricks. They don't get taxes.

https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1412159
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Dear Russel,

we have many buyers from Australia.
Currently three different paying method available for Buyers from Australia.
1. PayPal - onsite, no question

2. Stripe - onsite
Question:
Is Bricklink will collect Tax also or how should I handle?

3. Wise - offiste
Questions:
Can I allow this payment methode in the future for Australian buyers or not?
If yes, how this new TAX collection process will work?

Thanks your support and answer in advance!

Regards:
Brickmania.hu Team
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In Administrative, kezany writes:
  Dear Russel,

we have many buyers from Australia.
Currently three different paying method available for Buyers from Australia.
1. PayPal - onsite, no question

2. Stripe - onsite
Question:
Is Bricklink will collect Tax also or how should I handle?

Stripe Onsite works for VAT and TAX on UK, EU and USA, so I can assume that it
will also work for this well.

  
3. Wise - offiste
Questions:
Can I allow this payment methode in the future for Australian buyers or not?
If yes, how this new TAX collection process will work?

No and Yes.

Only possible for orders that are above 1000 AUD (~610 EUR), as those BL doesn't
have to collect the TAX.

  
Thanks your support and answer in advance!

Regards:
Brickmania.hu Team
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In Administrative, Stellar writes:
  In Administrative, kezany writes:
  Dear Russel,

we have many buyers from Australia.
Currently three different paying method available for Buyers from Australia.
1. PayPal - onsite, no question

2. Stripe - onsite
Question:
Is Bricklink will collect Tax also or how should I handle?

Stripe Onsite works for VAT and TAX on UK, EU and USA, so I can assume that it
will also work for this well.

  
3. Wise - offiste
Questions:
Can I allow this payment methode in the future for Australian buyers or not?
If yes, how this new TAX collection process will work?

No and Yes.

Only possible for orders that are above 1000 AUD (~610 EUR), as those BL doesn't
have to collect the TAX.

And the website automatically hides the shipping methods that won’t work.

Example:
— if you have a shipping method associated to Wise and one associated to PayPal
Onsite,
— if the cart is above AUD1000, the buyer will see both,
— if the cart is below AUD1000, the buyer will only see the PayPal Onsite one.
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Hi Russell,
I've just tried to pay for my first international order since this came in
and have an error telling me the price has changed and I need to go through the
checkout process again. I got a quote, I accepted the quote, I can't pay
via the link. I suspect this is something to do with the tax changes.
Hoping you can assist.
 
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Hi there,

I got a problem that the order from Australia cannot find the "GST receipt"
in both E-mail and BL system. And the BL system said "download VAT receipt"
link below, but no any link there(see attached JPG). How can I do for shipping?

Thanks.

In Administrative, Admin_Russell writes:
  Dear BrickLink members,

On June 1, 2023 we plan to implement new marketplace features and settings to
handle Australian Goods and Services Tax (GST). This will mostly affect transactions
where an Australian buyer is purchasing from stores outside of Australia, but
it will also affect all Australian BrickLink members to a degree (both buyers
and sellers).

Here is a summary of what will change:

1. BrickLink will now collect Australian GST for all orders being shipped into
Australia from the outside with a consignment value under $1,000 AUD. As with
other taxes collected on the BrickLink site, this means that all such orders
will require an onsite payment method.

2. When seller invoices go out on June 5th, GST will now be added to the invoice
for Australian sellers.

3. Australian business sellers who are GST registered will now have the option
to upload tax information to their BrickLink seller profile. GST will not be
added to the monthly fee invoice for such sellers.

We plan to send out emails to all affected BrickLink members later this week.
For a deeper explanation of this implementation, please see our new Help Page,
Australian Tax:

https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=2597

Thanks for reading, and feel free comment below if you have further questions.

The BrickLink Team
 
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In Administrative, WT writes:
  Hi there,

I got a problem that the order from Australia cannot find the "GST receipt"
in both E-mail and BL system. And the BL system said "download VAT receipt"
link below, but no any link there(see attached JPG). How can I do for shipping?

Thanks.

Hi,

You can contact the Help Desk here: https://www.bricklink.com/v3/help/contact.page
or here: https://helpdesk.bricklink.com/Main/ (you need to re-register with the
same address as on the main site).

The second site allows to follow your tickets (even if opened the other way).
(Note that the tickets are shown as “closed” as soon as they get an answer. 
That doesn’t mean they are closed / dismissed / rejected / ….  It’s just how
the UI works.)

They should answer quickly (but not on the weekend ).
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I think about 8% of my orders were from Australia.

Since the implementation of tax for Australia, (in the last 3 months), I have
received only one order from Australia


In Administrative, Admin_Russell writes:
  Dear BrickLink members,

On June 1, 2023 we plan to implement new marketplace features and settings to
handle Australian Goods and Services Tax (GST). This will mostly affect transactions
where an Australian buyer is purchasing from stores outside of Australia, but
it will also affect all Australian BrickLink members to a degree (both buyers
and sellers).

Here is a summary of what will change:

1. BrickLink will now collect Australian GST for all orders being shipped into
Australia from the outside with a consignment value under $1,000 AUD. As with
other taxes collected on the BrickLink site, this means that all such orders
will require an onsite payment method.

2. When seller invoices go out on June 5th, GST will now be added to the invoice
for Australian sellers.

3. Australian business sellers who are GST registered will now have the option
to upload tax information to their BrickLink seller profile. GST will not be
added to the monthly fee invoice for such sellers.

We plan to send out emails to all affected BrickLink members later this week.
For a deeper explanation of this implementation, please see our new Help Page,
Australian Tax:

https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=2597

Thanks for reading, and feel free comment below if you have further questions.

The BrickLink Team