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 Author: BricksOfFaith View Messages Posted By BricksOfFaith
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Anybody know why there has been so many spam messages/scams on the forum the
past few months? It’s getting kinda irritating….
 Author: Nubs_Select View Messages Posted By Nubs_Select
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probably a teen dropshipper who sold something once thru 1 link and is now spending
all his time spamming until he sells something again
 Author: here4bricks614 View Messages Posted By here4bricks614
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In Off Topic, BricksOfFaith writes:
  Anybody know why there has been so many spam messages/scams on the forum the
past few months? It’s getting kinda irritating….

Agreed. What would be the cons of requiring accounts to be at least a day/week
old before being able to post?
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 Author: Nubs_Select View Messages Posted By Nubs_Select
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not worth it as the forums can be helpful to new users.
 Author: wildchicken13 View Messages Posted By wildchicken13
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In Off Topic, here4bricks614 writes:
  Agreed. What would be the cons of requiring accounts to be at least a day/week
old before being able to post?

There would be no more spam
 Author: wildchicken13 View Messages Posted By wildchicken13
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In Off Topic, BricksOfFaith writes:
  Anybody know why there has been so many spam messages/scams on the forum the
past few months? It’s getting kinda irritating….

I agree, it's starting to get ridiculous. I guess whatever spam filtering
system BrickLink currently uses (if any) is just not enough.

I blame the pizza gang for these unfortunate circumstances, it seems they're
always up to no good.

Some suggestions:

1. Ban Nubs_Select, 1001bricks, and SylvainLS from the forum. That alone will
reduce spam by 17.4%

2. Block posts from users registered in India, Alaska, American Samoa, and APO/FPO

3. Remove the "Sales" topic (or hide it from view, which you can already
do BTW)

4. Automatically block any posts containing the word "gummies" or "escorts"
(sadly not TLG products as far as I am aware)

5. Invest in better technical anti-spam solutions for the site? Maybe more advanced
stuff using IP addresses or account limitations (like time or feedback requirements
to post)

6. Deprecate the forum, as already suggested: https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1403154

Just some thoughts
 
 Author: Nubs_Select View Messages Posted By Nubs_Select
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it’s the mustard gangs fault
 Author: 1001bricks View Messages Posted By 1001bricks
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  Some suggestions:

1. Ban Nubs_Select, 1001bricks, and SylvainLS from the forum. That alone will
reduce spam by 17.4%

Agreed about one of the Sylvains...

But you forgot BrickOfFaith, wildchicken13 and UTLF; they post less but it's
then far more spammy IMHO

Thanks for the laugh, pal!
 Author: Nubs_Select View Messages Posted By Nubs_Select
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In Off Topic, 1001bricks writes:
  
  Some suggestions:

1. Ban Nubs_Select, 1001bricks, and SylvainLS from the forum. That alone will
reduce spam by 17.4%

Agreed about one of the Sylvains...

But you forgot BrickOfFaith, wildchicken13 and UTLF; they post less but it's
then far more spammy IMHO

Thanks for the laugh, pal!

Nah the main problem is those aligned with the mustard gang.
 Author: wildchicken13 View Messages Posted By wildchicken13
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In Off Topic, 1001bricks writes:
  Agreed about one of the Sylvains...

But you forgot BrickOfFaith, wildchicken13 and UTLF; they post less but it's
then far more spammy IMHO

Thanks for the laugh, pal!

Indeed, some users post more spam than others.

The top five spammers alone are responsible for nearly 40% of all spam!

This needs to end immediately.
 
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especially 6th place
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  The top five spammers alone are responsible for nearly 40% of all spam!

Then... it's a Spamocracy!?
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In Off Topic, BricksOfFaith writes:
  Anybody know why there has been so many spam messages/scams on the forum the
past few months? It’s getting kinda irritating….

It's because BrickLink admins can't or won't implement a keyword
scanning system for new posts that trigger on any spam keywords, and block them,
instead of letting them get posted.

BrickLink admins have to stop making it so easy to post spam messages, if there
is an automatic filter that drops spam posts in the system's equivalent of
/dev/null then spammers will continue to spam the forums with spam posts.

BrickLink will only keep getting spammers until they make it impossible for spam
messages to be visible. The way to do that is what I outlined above.

They have to stop the spam from getting posted to the forums in the first place,
or it's just going to keep happening.

Just my 2c worth ...

Cheers ...

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In Off Topic, BricksOfFaith writes:
  Anybody know why there has been so many spam messages/scams on the forum the
past few months? It’s getting kinda irritating….

Most other forums I’ve ever been a member of suffer from similar problems
Unfortunately any website which features on search engines is prone to spam (I
think way back BrickLink never used to show up on Google - something to do with
spiders?)
I think there’s more chance of people being convinced to buy pizza than these
spam posts working

Roo
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  I think there’s more chance of people being convinced to buy pizza than these
spam posts working

Roo

 Author: SylvainLS View Messages Posted By SylvainLS
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In Off Topic, Chickaroo writes:
  […]
Most other forums I’ve ever been a member of suffer from similar problems

+1

Hmm, there used to be a “Why your antispam idea won’t work” checklist for e-mail. 
We need one for forums
So, to answer a few suggestions:

— Preventing newbies from asking questions on the forum is not very welcoming,
is it?
— Limiting newbies’ number of posts: most spammers only post once per account
anyway.
— The two previous ideas are worse when “newbie” is defined by feedback instead
of time.
— Captcha: most spammers here are human.
— Location filtering: nope, won’t do.
— Keyword filtering: I want to be able to talk about gummy bears and the new
Ford Escort set!


Silver lining: (most) forum regulars have now learned how to report posts
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In Off Topic, SylvainLS writes:
  In Off Topic, Chickaroo writes:
  […]
Most other forums I’ve ever been a member of suffer from similar problems

+1

Hmm, there used to be a “Why your antispam idea won’t work” checklist for e-mail. 
We need one for forums
So, to answer a few suggestions:

— Preventing newbies from asking questions on the forum is not very welcoming,
is it?
— Limiting newbies’ number of posts: most spammers only post once per account
anyway.
— The two previous ideas are worse when “newbie” is defined by feedback instead
of time.
— Captcha: most spammers here are human.
— Location filtering: nope, won’t do.
— Keyword filtering: I want to be able to talk about gummy bears and the new
Ford Escort set!


Silver lining: (most) forum regulars have now learned how to report posts

It would be easier if there were a report post option along with View/Cancel/Reply
on the forum rather than having to go through the problem centre and dig out
the message number.

It's easier to just ignore the spam and move on rather than report the user.
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In Off Topic, WhiteHorseMatt writes:
  […]
  Silver lining: (most) forum regulars have now learned how to report posts

It would be easier if there were a report post option along with View/Cancel/Reply
on the forum rather than having to go through the problem centre and dig out
the message number.

Yes.


  It's easier to just ignore the spam and move on rather than report the user.

This depends on your default settings: with ‘Compact’ or ‘Brief’, the spam
is easy to ignore, with ‘All’ or ‘Full’ you’ll see them… but then I’m not sure
there’s people reading the forum like that
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In Off Topic, SylvainLS writes:
  In Off Topic, WhiteHorseMatt writes:
  […]
  Silver lining: (most) forum regulars have now learned how to report posts

It would be easier if there were a report post option along with View/Cancel/Reply
on the forum rather than having to go through the problem centre and dig out
the message number.

Yes.


  It's easier to just ignore the spam and move on rather than report the user.

This depends on your default settings: with ‘Compact’ or ‘Brief’, the spam
is easy to ignore, with ‘All’ or ‘Full’ you’ll see them… but then I’m not sure
there’s people reading the forum like that

I do, but probably not many more...
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In Off Topic, Stellar writes:
  […]
  This depends on your default settings: with ‘Compact’ or ‘Brief’, the spam
is easy to ignore, with ‘All’ or ‘Full’ you’ll see them… but then I’m not sure
there’s people reading the forum like that

I do, but probably not many more...

Well, it takes everything to make a world

(Besides, what’s the default setting?)
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  Silver lining: (most) forum regulars have now learned how to report posts

Yes, this requires a 15 years learning "curve"

A report button, BrickLink?

That'd be soooo complicated to develop, I must admit - please don't touch
anything.
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In Off Topic, 1001bricks writes:
  
  Silver lining: (most) forum regulars have now learned how to report posts

Yes, this requires a 15 years learning "curve"

So, you’re 3 years late?


  A report button, BrickLink?

That'd be soooo complicated to develop, I must admit - please don't touch
anything.

It’s even more complicated to report problems on the Gallery (which is supposedly
not spaghetti code).
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In Off Topic, SylvainLS writes:
  In Off Topic, 1001bricks writes:
  
  Silver lining: (most) forum regulars have now learned how to report posts

Yes, this requires a 15 years learning "curve"

So, you’re 3 years late?


  A report button, BrickLink?

That'd be soooo complicated to develop, I must admit - please don't touch
anything.

It’s even more complicated to report problems on the Gallery (which is supposedly
not spaghetti code).

There is now a report feature for comments on BDP models, but it is still being
tweaked.
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  A report button, BrickLink?

That'd be soooo complicated to develop, I must admit - please don't touch
anything.

It’s even more complicated to report problems on the Gallery (which is supposedly
not spaghetti code).

There is now a report feature for comments on BDP models, but it is still being
tweaked.

No problem. Thanks for all what is done!
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  Silver lining: (most) forum regulars have now learned how to report posts


What about maybe if a post contains more then 1 url it has to be moderated before
it can be posted?
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In Off Topic, Nubs_Select writes:
  
  Silver lining: (most) forum regulars have now learned how to report posts


What about maybe if a post contains more then 1 url it has to be moderated before
it can be posted?

Can the same rule apply to emojis?

Roo
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In Off Topic, Chickaroo writes:
  In Off Topic, Nubs_Select writes:
  
  Silver lining: (most) forum regulars have now learned how to report posts


What about maybe if a post contains more then 1 url it has to be moderated before
it can be posted?

Can the same rule apply to emojis?

Roo

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In Off Topic, Nubs_Select writes:
  
  Silver lining: (most) forum regulars have now learned how to report posts


What about maybe if a post contains more then 1 url it has to be moderated before
it can be posted?


Um. The other catalog admins and I post multiple links in our messages a lot
of the time. We don't need our posts moderated.
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In Off Topic, randyf writes:
  In Off Topic, Nubs_Select writes:
  
  Silver lining: (most) forum regulars have now learned how to report posts


What about maybe if a post contains more then 1 url it has to be moderated before
it can be posted?


Um. The other catalog admins and I post multiple links in our messages a lot
of the time. We don't need our posts moderated.

True true that slipped my mind maybe more then 1 url to a “non approved site”
so for example Facebook, some sketchy gummy site, or eBay (maybe if the url is
for eBay a error pops up saying no links to eBay allowd?)
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In Off Topic, randyf writes:
  Um. The other catalog admins and I post multiple links in our messages a lot
of the time. We don't need our posts moderated.

Yes, they do. You are the all-time number two spammer!
 
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Rationalize it all you want.

Just.

Fix.

It.
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In Off Topic, Ziegelmeister writes:
  Rationalize it all you want.

Just.

Fix.

It.

FYI, discussions moderators are members, like you.
If if there were a technical solution (which there isn’t), neither Roo nor I
nor the others mods can change the forum’s code.
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In Off Topic, SylvainLS writes:
  In Off Topic, Ziegelmeister writes:
  Rationalize it all you want.

Just.

Fix.

It.

FYI, discussions moderators are members, like you.
If if there were a technical solution (which there isn’t), neither Roo nor I
nor the others mods can change the forum’s code.

I'm going to go against the grain here and say that while the spam is annoying,
it's not something that I think is a critical issue. I see 1-2 spam messages
per day, they're obvious spam, I can just scroll on by. Compared to the amount
of spam I see in my emails every day, this is nothing.
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In Off Topic, peregrinator writes:
  In Off Topic, SylvainLS writes:
  In Off Topic, Ziegelmeister writes:
  Rationalize it all you want.

Just.

Fix.

It.

FYI, discussions moderators are members, like you.
If if there were a technical solution (which there isn’t), neither Roo nor I
nor the others mods can change the forum’s code.

I'm going to go against the grain here and say that while the spam is annoying,
it's not something that I think is a critical issue. I see 1-2 spam messages
per day, they're obvious spam, I can just scroll on by. Compared to the amount
of spam I see in my emails every day, this is nothing.

+1 it isn’t a major issue the only times it has been is when someone did this
 
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In Off Topic, Nubs_Select writes:
  +1 it isn’t a major issue the only times it has been is when someone did this

That was fun
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In Off Topic, wildchicken13 writes:
  In Off Topic, Nubs_Select writes:
  +1 it isn’t a major issue the only times it has been is when someone did this

That was fun

indeed
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In Off Topic, SylvainLS writes:
  If if there were a technical solution (which there isn’t)

I'm not so sure about that - for example, you could have a keyword filter
that only gets triggered if the post includes a link.
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In Off Topic, peregrinator writes:
  In Off Topic, SylvainLS writes:
  If if there were a technical solution (which there isn’t)

I'm not so sure about that - for example, you could have a keyword filter
that only gets triggered if the post includes a link.


https://www.mustard.club

Just testing if that works
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In Off Topic, 1001bricks writes:
  In Off Topic, peregrinator writes:
  In Off Topic, SylvainLS writes:
  If if there were a technical solution (which there isn’t)

I'm not so sure about that - for example, you could have a keyword filter
that only gets triggered if the post includes a link.


https://www.mustard.club

Just testing if that works
 
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In Off Topic, Nubs_Select writes:
  In Off Topic, 1001bricks writes:
  In Off Topic, peregrinator writes:
  In Off Topic, SylvainLS writes:
  If if there were a technical solution (which there isn’t)

I'm not so sure about that - for example, you could have a keyword filter
that only gets triggered if the post includes a link.


https://www.mustard.club

Just testing if that works

How did you get a picture of my ex-wife?

John P
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  How did you get a picture of my ex-wife?

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In Off Topic, peregrinator writes:
  I'm not so sure about that - for example, you could have a keyword filter
that only gets triggered if the post includes a link.

If we're doing keyword filtering, then I request that "pizza" be
added to the list of banned keywords. Clearly there is a lot of spam on this
topic!
 
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In Off Topic, BricksOfFaith writes:
  Anybody know why there has been so many spam messages/scams on the forum the
past few months? It’s getting kinda irritating….

I like spam. That is how I found my three girlfriends. I have not met them
yet, but they keep asking for plane tickets to get to El Paso. I send the tickets
and no one shows up and they all said it was the airlines fault. So I am ready
to send them cash so they can buy their tickets.
John P
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  I like spam. That is how I found my three girlfriends. I have not met them
yet, but they keep asking for plane tickets to get to El Paso. I send the tickets
and no one shows up and they all said it was the airlines fault. So I am ready
to send them cash so they can buy their tickets.
John P

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In Off Topic, BricksOfFaith writes:
  Anybody know why there has been so many spam messages/scams on the forum the
past few months? It’s getting kinda irritating….

This uptick in Forum spam has been noticed by the administration and we are currently
working on a plan to handle it in a way that is least disruptive for everyone.

A big Thank You to our Discussions Moderators for helping us mitigate the problem
in the short term. We have noticed this as well.