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| | | Author: | Yo_Yo_Flamingo  | | Posted: | May 1, 2023 21:50 | | Subject: | "Not a legitimate part"? | | Viewed: | 323 times | | Topic: | Catalog | | Status: | Open | |
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| I see today that all listings for [P=3626cpb2715,1] (and similar test prints)
have been removed from sale.
Why? These test prints have been around for yeeaaaars, long long before the leaks
started coming out of the mexico factory.
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| | | | | Author: | UTLF | | Posted: | May 1, 2023 21:57 | | Subject: | (Cancelled) | | Viewed: | 63 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| | | | | | | Author: | Classicsmiley | | Posted: | May 1, 2023 22:29 | | Subject: | Re: "Not a legitimate part"? | | Viewed: | 55 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, UTLF writes:
| | These test prints are for Lego factory use only, they've never been "officially"
released in any sets, so it's essentially the same as the factory leaks we've
seen flood the market in recent years
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There are a LOT of parts on this site that have never been released in sets!
Q parts, etc. If only parts that have been released in sets are allowed to
be sold, we're in a lot of trouble here.
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | UTLF | | Posted: | May 1, 2023 22:50 | | Subject: | (Cancelled) | | Viewed: | 51 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | Yo_Yo_Flamingo | | Posted: | May 1, 2023 23:42 | | Subject: | Re: "Not a legitimate part"? | | Viewed: | 58 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, Classicsmiley writes:
| | In Catalog, UTLF writes:
| | These test prints are for Lego factory use only, they've never been "officially"
released in any sets, so it's essentially the same as the factory leaks we've
seen flood the market in recent years
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There are a LOT of parts on this site that have never been released in sets!
Q parts, etc. If only parts that have been released in sets are allowed to
be sold, we're in a lot of trouble here.
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Agreed...
If LEGO has a problem with parts leaking from factories, fine. Address the problem
at the source. But DON'T take it out on the honest, hard working sellers
here by taking blind guesses as to what prototypes to allow or now...
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | yorbrick | | Posted: | May 2, 2023 04:12 | | Subject: | Re: "Not a legitimate part"? | | Viewed: | 55 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, Yo_Yo_Flamingo writes:
| | In Catalog, Classicsmiley writes:
| | In Catalog, UTLF writes:
| | These test prints are for Lego factory use only, they've never been "officially"
released in any sets, so it's essentially the same as the factory leaks we've
seen flood the market in recent years
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There are a LOT of parts on this site that have never been released in sets!
Q parts, etc. If only parts that have been released in sets are allowed to
be sold, we're in a lot of trouble here.
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Agreed...
If LEGO has a problem with parts leaking from factories, fine. Address the problem
at the source. But DON'T take it out on the honest, hard working sellers
here by taking blind guesses as to what prototypes to allow or now...
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Isn't the issue that (honest, hard working) sellers here are buying the illegitimate
parts and trying to sell them here? When setting a rule to stop the sale of illegitimate
parts, sometimes illegitimate parts that would have been allowed in the past
will now get swept up. Is there a difference between a genuine test part that
was stolen from the factory a decade ago and a new part in the same colour (or
a different non-production colour) illegitimately made specifically for the collector
market.
Ban all of these "prototypes" and it will be clear which are allowed
- none.
It woudl be straightforward to ban all minifigure "prototype" parts but
allow non-minifigure parts in non-production colours that were produced for parks,
etc. mainly as it is the minifigure parts that are driving the current craze.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | rab1234 | | Posted: | May 2, 2023 11:16 | | Subject: | Re: "Not a legitimate part"? | | Viewed: | 50 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| Excellent post. I couldn't agree more with "Is there a difference between
a genuine test part that was stolen from the factory a decade ago and a new part"...
In Catalog, yorbrick writes:
| | In Catalog, Yo_Yo_Flamingo writes:
| | In Catalog, Classicsmiley writes:
| | In Catalog, UTLF writes:
| | These test prints are for Lego factory use only, they've never been "officially"
released in any sets, so it's essentially the same as the factory leaks we've
seen flood the market in recent years
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There are a LOT of parts on this site that have never been released in sets!
Q parts, etc. If only parts that have been released in sets are allowed to
be sold, we're in a lot of trouble here.
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Agreed...
If LEGO has a problem with parts leaking from factories, fine. Address the problem
at the source. But DON'T take it out on the honest, hard working sellers
here by taking blind guesses as to what prototypes to allow or now...
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Isn't the issue that (honest, hard working) sellers here are buying the illegitimate
parts and trying to sell them here? When setting a rule to stop the sale of illegitimate
parts, sometimes illegitimate parts that would have been allowed in the past
will now get swept up. Is there a difference between a genuine test part that
was stolen from the factory a decade ago and a new part in the same colour (or
a different non-production colour) illegitimately made specifically for the collector
market.
Ban all of these "prototypes" and it will be clear which are allowed
- none.
It woudl be straightforward to ban all minifigure "prototype" parts but
allow non-minifigure parts in non-production colours that were produced for parks,
etc. mainly as it is the minifigure parts that are driving the current craze.
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| | | | | Author: | 1001bricks | | Posted: | May 1, 2023 23:18 | | Subject: | Re: "Not a legitimate part"? | | Viewed: | 73 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, Yo_Yo_Flamingo writes:
| | I see today that all listings for [P=3626cpb2715,1] (and similar test prints)
have been removed from sale.
Why? These test prints have been around for yeeaaaars, long long before the leaks
started coming out of the mexico factory.
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Oh no - I've a dozen of those, shiny brand new from about 2005, with some
some not even in Catalog 
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| | | | | | | Author: | Nubs_Select | | Posted: | May 1, 2023 23:24 | | Subject: | Re: "Not a legitimate part"? | | Viewed: | 50 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| | | Oh no - I've a dozen of those, shiny brand new from about 2005, with some
some not even in Catalog
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at least we know who started the Mexico factory runs 
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | 1001bricks | | Posted: | May 1, 2023 23:28 | | Subject: | Re: "Not a legitimate part"? | | Viewed: | 50 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, Nubs_Select writes:
| | | | Oh no - I've a dozen of those, shiny brand new from about 2005, with some
some not even in Catalog
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at least we know who started the Mexico factory runs
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Ya know, Canada is just the northern Mexico... just to say
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Nubs_Select | | Posted: | May 1, 2023 23:29 | | Subject: | Re: "Not a legitimate part"? | | Viewed: | 49 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | 1001bricks | | Posted: | May 1, 2023 23:35 | | Subject: | Re: "Not a legitimate part"? | | Viewed: | 45 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, Nubs_Select writes:
| | france is probably closer
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Wow - then even chatGPT is the wrong?
Canada is the country closest to the USA. The distance between the two countries
varies depending on the specific locations being compared, but the shortest distance
between any point in the contiguous United States and Canada is approximately
6 miles (9.7 kilometers) at the border crossing between Northwest Angle, Minnesota,
and Manitoba, Canada.
Mexico is located south of the USA and is farther away than Canada. The distance
between the United States and Mexico varies based on the specific locations being
compared, but the shortest distance between the two countries is approximately
55 miles (88.5 kilometers) at the border crossing between San Diego, California,
and Tijuana, Mexico.
France is located across the Atlantic Ocean from the USA and is not close in
terms of distance. The distance between the United States and France varies based
on the specific locations being compared, but the shortest distance between any
point in the USA and France is approximately 3,500 miles (5,630 kilometers) from
the East Coast of the USA to the coast of France.
Thank you!
But I'm off, tired and such - cheers all!
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | SylvainLS | | Posted: | May 2, 2023 00:56 | | Subject: | Re: "Not a legitimate part"? | | Viewed: | 44 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, 1001bricks writes:
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Wow - then even chatGPT is the wrong?
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The question should be “when is chatGPT ever right?”
| | Canada is the country closest to the USA. The distance between the two countries
varies depending on the specific locations being compared, but the shortest distance
between any point in the contiguous United States and Canada is approximately
6 miles (9.7 kilometers) at the border crossing between Northwest Angle, Minnesota,
and Manitoba, Canada. […]
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Huh? I’m confused here: how do they measure these distances?
What are they measuring? The distance between two towns?
Why? Out-of-town people aren’t considered living in the country?
And from where do they measure the distances? The townhall? The geographic
center of the town?
Why? The outskirts of the town (but still inside the official town limits) aren’t
considered in the town?
And if they use the townhall/center of town for the distance between two cities,
why aren’t they using the capital/center of country for the distance between
two countries?
And if they use the towns’ nearest limits, why aren’t they using the countries’
nearest borders? Double standards.
That’s ludicrous. Countries with a common border are 0 miles / 0km / 0 furlongs
apart. There’s no ‘no-man zone’ between them.
(Yes, waking up grumpy. Grumpf!)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | wildchicken13 | | Posted: | May 2, 2023 21:25 | | Subject: | Re: "Not a legitimate part"? | | Viewed: | 37 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, SylvainLS writes:
| | Huh? I’m confused here: how do they measure these distances?
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Maybe it's measuring cultural distance?
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| | | | | | | Author: | macebobo | | Posted: | May 2, 2023 01:18 | | Subject: | Re: "Not a legitimate part"? | | Viewed: | 57 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, Admin_Russell writes:
| | In Catalog, Yo_Yo_Flamingo writes:
| | I see today that all listings for [P=3626cpb2715,1] (and similar test prints)
have been removed from sale.
Why? These test prints have been around for yeeaaaars, long long before the leaks
started coming out of the mexico factory.
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Unfortunately, there were several Glow in Dark lots for sale and there were hundreds
of the white ones. As with some of the other colors / parts, we do end up removing
some good listings with the bad.
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So, are the good listings going to be restored? From a seller's perspective,
this looks incredibly short sighted and gives me pause to list any more Q elements
or non production parts purchased at Lego Land parks.
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | Admin_Russell | | Posted: | May 2, 2023 01:34 | | Subject: | Re: "Not a legitimate part"? | | Viewed: | 106 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, macebobo writes:
| | In Catalog, Admin_Russell writes:
| | In Catalog, Yo_Yo_Flamingo writes:
| | I see today that all listings for [P=3626cpb2715,1] (and similar test prints)
have been removed from sale.
Why? These test prints have been around for yeeaaaars, long long before the leaks
started coming out of the mexico factory.
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Unfortunately, there were several Glow in Dark lots for sale and there were hundreds
of the white ones. As with some of the other colors / parts, we do end up removing
some good listings with the bad.
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So, are the good listings going to be restored? From a seller's perspective,
this looks incredibly short sighted and gives me pause to list any more Q elements
or non production parts purchased at Lego Land parks.
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We can't tell the good listings from the bad, so they all have to go. Please
note we are only taking this kind of severe action on a limited number of minifigure
parts, not on every brick and plate.
These test head entries will likely be merged / deleted in the next 24 hours.
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| | | | | | | Author: | WoutR | | Posted: | May 2, 2023 06:10 | | Subject: | Re: "Not a legitimate part"? | | Viewed: | 58 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, Admin_Russell writes:
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Unfortunately, there were several Glow in Dark lots for sale and there were hundreds
of the white ones. As with some of the other colors / parts, we do end up removing
some good listings with the bad.
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I am not sure I understand this. What was the problem exactly? The quantity of
items for sale, the existence and sales of other colours (at often ridiculous
prices), or both?
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | WoutR | | Posted: | May 2, 2023 12:20 | | Subject: | Re: "Not a legitimate part"? | | Viewed: | 50 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, WoutR writes:
| | In Catalog, Admin_Russell writes:
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Or is it that we cannot prove which of these unreleased parts made it out of
the factory by legitimate routes, and which are illegitimate?
That is what I would expect, but I get a bit confused reading the message by
Admin_Russel 
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | SylvainLS | | Posted: | May 2, 2023 12:58 | | Subject: | Re: "Not a legitimate part"? | | Viewed: | 53 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, WoutR writes:
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Or is it that we cannot prove which of these unreleased parts made it out of
the factory by legitimate routes, and which are illegitimate?
That is what I would expect, but I get a bit confused reading the message by
Admin_Russel
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What would be a legitimate route for test parts to make it out of the factory?
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | WoutR | | Posted: | May 2, 2023 13:22 | | Subject: | Re: "Not a legitimate part"? | | Viewed: | 57 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, SylvainLS writes:
| | In Catalog, WoutR writes:
| | […]
Or is it that we cannot prove which of these unreleased parts made it out of
the factory by legitimate routes, and which are illegitimate?
That is what I would expect, but I get a bit confused reading the message by
Admin_Russel
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What would be a legitimate route for test parts to make it out of the factory?
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I understand that they have, for example, been included in charity donations
and have at least once been given away at a LUG event.
(Those legitimate routes do not explain the large quantities that seem to have
become available in recent years.)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | yorbrick | | Posted: | May 2, 2023 14:20 | | Subject: | Re: "Not a legitimate part"? | | Viewed: | 50 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| | | (Those legitimate routes do not explain the large quantities that seem to have
become available in recent years.)
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This is the issue with 'rare' test parts. They get made by the people
making the jellybean Vaders and if 'legitimate' parts are allowed then
they can be sold here whereas the other colour ones cannot. So better just to
ban the lot.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | wildchicken13 | | Posted: | May 2, 2023 21:33 | | Subject: | Re: "Not a legitimate part"? | | Viewed: | 48 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, SylvainLS writes:
| | What would be a legitimate route for test parts to make it out of the factory?
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Through the back door
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Pancakes. | | Posted: | May 2, 2023 21:42 | | Subject: | Re: "Not a legitimate part"? | | Viewed: | 50 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, wildchicken13 writes:
| | In Catalog, SylvainLS writes:
| | What would be a legitimate route for test parts to make it out of the factory?
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Through the back door
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Yeah or slide a mexico factory worker a couple bucks
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | WoutR | | Posted: | May 3, 2023 10:51 | | Subject: | Re: "Not a legitimate part"? | | Viewed: | 50 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, wildchicken13 writes:
| | In Catalog, SylvainLS writes:
| | What would be a legitimate route for test parts to make it out of the factory?
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Through the back door
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That would be an alternative route, not the kind I intended.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | yorbrick | | Posted: | May 3, 2023 12:43 | | Subject: | Re: "Not a legitimate part"? | | Viewed: | 46 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, wildchicken13 writes:
| | In Catalog, SylvainLS writes:
| | What would be a legitimate route for test parts to make it out of the factory?
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Through the back door
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Isn't that pretty much the definition of illegitimate in this scenario.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | WoutR | | Posted: | May 3, 2023 14:07 | | Subject: | Re: "Not a legitimate part"? | | Viewed: | 53 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, yorbrick writes:
| | In Catalog, wildchicken13 writes:
| | In Catalog, SylvainLS writes:
| | What would be a legitimate route for test parts to make it out of the factory?
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Through the back door
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Isn't that pretty much the definition of illegitimate in this scenario.
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The small parts are probably easy enough to smuggle through the front door also...
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| | | | | | | Author: | legoman77 | | Posted: | May 2, 2023 10:34 | | Subject: | Re: "Not a legitimate part"? | | Viewed: | 62 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, Admin_Russell writes:
| | In Catalog, Yo_Yo_Flamingo writes:
| | I see today that all listings for [P=3626cpb2715,1] (and similar test prints)
have been removed from sale.
Why? These test prints have been around for yeeaaaars, long long before the leaks
started coming out of the mexico factory.
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Unfortunately, there were several Glow in Dark lots for sale and there were hundreds
of the white ones. As with some of the other colors / parts, we do end up removing
some good listings with the bad.
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What about the test pieces that are red? I remember Star Wars helmet, early
trees, wolf, and more. Are they disappearing also, or is there a double standard?
John P
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| | | | | | | Author: | Cob | | Posted: | May 2, 2023 15:54 | | Subject: | Re: "Not a legitimate part"? | | Viewed: | 59 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, Admin_Russell writes:
| | In Catalog, Yo_Yo_Flamingo writes:
| | I see today that all listings for [P=3626cpb2715,1] (and similar test prints)
have been removed from sale.
Why? These test prints have been around for yeeaaaars, long long before the leaks
started coming out of the mexico factory.
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Unfortunately, there were several Glow in Dark lots for sale and there were hundreds
of the white ones. As with some of the other colors / parts, we do end up removing
some good listings with the bad.
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When will items marked for deletion be removed from the catalog?
https://www.bricklink.com/catalogList.asp?itemObsolete=Y&v=3
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | yorbrick | | Posted: | May 2, 2023 16:03 | | Subject: | Re: "Not a legitimate part"? | | Viewed: | 48 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, Cob writes:
| | In Catalog, Admin_Russell writes:
| | In Catalog, Yo_Yo_Flamingo writes:
| | I see today that all listings for [P=3626cpb2715,1] (and similar test prints)
have been removed from sale.
Why? These test prints have been around for yeeaaaars, long long before the leaks
started coming out of the mexico factory.
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Unfortunately, there were several Glow in Dark lots for sale and there were hundreds
of the white ones. As with some of the other colors / parts, we do end up removing
some good listings with the bad.
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When will items marked for deletion be removed from the catalog?
https://www.bricklink.com/catalogList.asp?itemObsolete=Y&v=3
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I think the answer is never, but that you cannot use them to list new lots.
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | randyf | | Posted: | May 3, 2023 01:04 | | Subject: | Re: "Not a legitimate part"? | | Viewed: | 69 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, Cob writes:
| | In Catalog, Admin_Russell writes:
| | In Catalog, Yo_Yo_Flamingo writes:
| | I see today that all listings for [P=3626cpb2715,1] (and similar test prints)
have been removed from sale.
Why? These test prints have been around for yeeaaaars, long long before the leaks
started coming out of the mexico factory.
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Unfortunately, there were several Glow in Dark lots for sale and there were hundreds
of the white ones. As with some of the other colors / parts, we do end up removing
some good listings with the bad.
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When will items marked for deletion be removed from the catalog?
https://www.bricklink.com/catalogList.asp?itemObsolete=Y&v=3
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I opened up a line of dialogue with BrickLink about this exact topic just a few
weeks ago. I am still awaiting a response, but we hope to start being able to
permanently remove some of them very soon.
Cheers,
Randy
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| | | | | Author: | WoutR | | Posted: | May 2, 2023 05:57 | | Subject: | Re: "Not a legitimate part"? | | Viewed: | 65 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, Yo_Yo_Flamingo writes:
| | I see today that all listings for [P=3626cpb2715,1] (and similar test prints)
have been removed from sale.
Why? These test prints have been around for yeeaaaars, long long before the leaks
started coming out of the mexico factory.
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When I first tried to add these parts to the catalog, they were rejected.
I was surprised that they were accepted later.
By now, I have seen at least 4 different patterns for the head, 3 different patterns
for the legs assembly, 2 different patterns for the torso, and several patterns
on other parts like bricks and plates. I am excited about seeing them and would
love to have some, but to be honest I do not think that they all belong in the
catalog.
In recent years, several of these parts have found legitimate ways out of the
factory, so I hope that sales as custom items remain allowed.
Image for reference, so people know which items we are discussing here 
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| | | | | Author: | wildchicken13 | | Posted: | May 4, 2023 23:56 | | Subject: | Re: "Not a legitimate part"? | | Viewed: | 46 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, Yo_Yo_Flamingo writes:
| | I see today that all listings for [P=3626cpb2715,1] (and similar test prints)
have been removed from sale.
Why? These test prints have been around for yeeaaaars, long long before the leaks
started coming out of the mexico factory.
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I think the problem is not so much that there are illegitimate parts on BrickLink
but rather that there are illegitimate children on BrickLink
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| | | | | | | Author: | Nubs_Select | | Posted: | May 5, 2023 00:00 | | Subject: | Re: "Not a legitimate part"? | | Viewed: | 50 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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Canada, British Columbia
United Kingdom, England
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