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 Author: Alizarin View Messages Posted By Alizarin
 Posted: Feb 16, 2023 11:44
 Subject: US buyer using freight forwarder to Russia
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Alizarin (90)

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Hello,

I recently received an order from a new user (0 Feedback) with an address in
Delaware, USA. The address is for a freight forwarding company (Shiptor, 1600
Johnson Way, New Castle, DE), which is a Russian company and will ship into Russia.
The phone number they provide has been linked multiple times to scams. I do not
ship to Russia, do not want to ship to Russia, and have no future plans to do
so either. I think this user is trying to get around sanctions and/or customs
fees.

When this buyer first contacted me, I was a little suspect of them, but I have
had other new buyers act in similar ways, and they were great buyers. After I
emailed photos of the set (75227) to the buyer, I got a response almost immediately,
and it sounded very different to the previous message that I had received. This
started to raise red flags for me, but after I got the shipping address I knew
something fishy was going on.

They requested an invoice, which I have not filled out yet, so I have not received
payment yet either.

Do I have any justification to cancel the order, or do I have to go through with
it?

Any help or insight would be appreciated,

Thanks,

-Alizarin
 Author: wildchicken13 View Messages Posted By wildchicken13
 Posted: Feb 16, 2023 11:52
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In Help, Alizarin writes:
  Hello,

I recently received an order from a new user (0 Feedback) with an address in
Delaware, USA. The address is for a freight forwarding company (Shiptor, 1600
Johnson Way, New Castle, DE), which is a Russian company and will ship into Russia.
The phone number they provide has been linked multiple times to scams. I do not
ship to Russia, do not want to ship to Russia, and have no future plans to do
so either. I think this user is trying to get around sanctions and/or customs
fees.

When this buyer first contacted me, I was a little suspect of them, but I have
had other new buyers act in similar ways, and they were great buyers. After I
emailed photos of the set (75227) to the buyer, I got a response almost immediately,
and it sounded very different to the previous message that I had received. This
started to raise red flags for me, but after I got the shipping address I knew
something fishy was going on.

They requested an invoice, which I have not filled out yet, so I have not received
payment yet either.

Do I have any justification to cancel the order, or do I have to go through with
it?

Any help or insight would be appreciated,

Thanks,

-Alizarin

I think you'd be justified in cancelling this order out of precaution. You
may also want to report this member, if you have not done so already: https://www.bricklink.com/problemMember.asp
 Author: Alizarin View Messages Posted By Alizarin
 Posted: Feb 16, 2023 11:59
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Alizarin (90)

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I think you'd be justified in cancelling this order out of precaution. You
may also want to report this member, if you have not done so already: https://www.bricklink.com/problemMember.asp

Thanks so much for the advice. I will wait a little bit before taking action
to see if anyone else has anything to add, but otherwise do as you said. I just
wanted to ask the community which has more experience than I do before doing
anything drastic. I will update everyone if/when I take action.

Thanks,

-Alizarin
 Author: yorbrick View Messages Posted By yorbrick
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Do I have any justification to cancel the order, or do I have to go through with
it?


Bricklink cannot force anyone to complete a transaction. If you are not comfortable
then don't send it. You might get negative feedback but BL might remove it
as they are shopping from Russia. You can ask and see. You could also leave them
negative feedback to warn others, and if they go hematite then they will get
blocked from many stores automatically if they have selected that option.
 Author: ghyde View Messages Posted By ghyde
 Posted: Feb 16, 2023 14:18
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In Help, Alizarin writes:
  Hello,

I recently received an order from a new user (0 Feedback) with an address in
Delaware, USA. The address is for a freight forwarding company (Shiptor, 1600
Johnson Way, New Castle, DE), which is a Russian company and will ship into Russia.
The phone number they provide has been linked multiple times to scams. I do not
ship to Russia, do not want to ship to Russia, and have no future plans to do
so either. I think this user is trying to get around sanctions and/or customs
fees.

When this buyer first contacted me, I was a little suspect of them, but I have
had other new buyers act in similar ways, and they were great buyers. After I
emailed photos of the set (75227) to the buyer, I got a response almost immediately,
and it sounded very different to the previous message that I had received. This
started to raise red flags for me, but after I got the shipping address I knew
something fishy was going on.

They requested an invoice, which I have not filled out yet, so I have not received
payment yet either.

Do I have any justification to cancel the order, or do I have to go through with
it?

Any help or insight would be appreciated,

Thanks,

-Alizarin

Have you straight out tried to message the buyer through the BrickLink messaging
system to ask them why they're using a freight forwarding address to Russia?
If they're a legitimate buyer, perhaps they have an explanation that may
be plausible. It is of course up to you to decide if you believe their response
to your message, but be sure not to respond to any replies generated outside
of the BrickLink messaging system.

If they are trying to scam you, or someone else, their replies will very likely
indicate this. I would be super careful though, it's highly unusual for a
buyer to be using a freight forwarding address, especially if it's in Russia.

Inquire to the buyer for information relating to why they are doing this, but
as I mentioned above, be super careful. I cannot emphasize this enough, you need
to exercise caution when dealing with unfamiliar circumstances regarding a BrickLink
order.

Cheers ...

ghyde
 Author: peregrinator View Messages Posted By peregrinator
 Posted: Feb 16, 2023 14:19
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In Help, ghyde writes:
  I would be super careful though, it's highly unusual for a
buyer to be using a freight forwarding address, especially if it's in Russia.

Can't speak to Russia but it's not at all unusual for buyers to use freight-forwarders.
It's not exactly common but it does happen.
 Author: Nubs_Select View Messages Posted By Nubs_Select
 Posted: Feb 16, 2023 14:23
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In Help, peregrinator writes:
  In Help, ghyde writes:
  I would be super careful though, it's highly unusual for a
buyer to be using a freight forwarding address, especially if it's in Russia.

Can't speak to Russia but it's not at all unusual for buyers to use freight-forwarders.
It's not exactly common but it does happen.

+1 not to long ago I sent a
 
Set No: 910001  Name: Castle in the Forest
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910001-1 (Inv) Castle in the Forest
1928 Parts, 6 Minifigures, 1 Gear, 2021
Sets: BrickLink Designer Program
to an American shipping forwarding company
which from what I was able to see was then shipped to Japan. 0 issues happened
during the transaction. buyer paid then I shipped
 Author: yorbrick View Messages Posted By yorbrick
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In Help, Nubs_Select writes:
  In Help, peregrinator writes:
  In Help, ghyde writes:
  I would be super careful though, it's highly unusual for a
buyer to be using a freight forwarding address, especially if it's in Russia.

Can't speak to Russia but it's not at all unusual for buyers to use freight-forwarders.
It's not exactly common but it does happen.

+1 not to long ago I sent a
 
Set No: 910001  Name: Castle in the Forest
* 
910001-1 (Inv) Castle in the Forest
1928 Parts, 6 Minifigures, 1 Gear, 2021
Sets: BrickLink Designer Program
to an American shipping forwarding company
which from what I was able to see was then shipped to Japan. 0 issues happened
during the transaction. buyer paid then I shipped

The difference is that there aren't sanctions on Japan, blocks on Japanese
buyers buying from sellers here, blocks on Japanese buyers using PayPal or long
delays shipping into Japan.
 Author: Nubs_Select View Messages Posted By Nubs_Select
 Posted: Feb 16, 2023 14:55
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In Help, yorbrick writes:
  In Help, Nubs_Select writes:
  In Help, peregrinator writes:
  In Help, ghyde writes:
  I would be super careful though, it's highly unusual for a
buyer to be using a freight forwarding address, especially if it's in Russia.

Can't speak to Russia but it's not at all unusual for buyers to use freight-forwarders.
It's not exactly common but it does happen.

+1 not to long ago I sent a
 
Set No: 910001  Name: Castle in the Forest
* 
910001-1 (Inv) Castle in the Forest
1928 Parts, 6 Minifigures, 1 Gear, 2021
Sets: BrickLink Designer Program
to an American shipping forwarding company
which from what I was able to see was then shipped to Japan. 0 issues happened
during the transaction. buyer paid then I shipped

The difference is that there aren't sanctions on Japan, blocks on Japanese
buyers buying from sellers here, blocks on Japanese buyers using PayPal or long
delays shipping into Japan.

yah I was referring more so to using shipping forwarding instead of to russia
as the second part of it where it said "it's highly unusual for a buyer
to be using a freight forwarding address," they also added "especially
if it's in Russia." so I was referring to the first part of it since
it wasn't only addressing the russia part but I could see how I mad it confusing
 Author: Adjour View Messages Posted By Adjour
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In Help, Nubs_Select writes:
  In Help, peregrinator writes:
  In Help, ghyde writes:
  I would be super careful though, it's highly unusual for a
buyer to be using a freight forwarding address, especially if it's in Russia.

Can't speak to Russia but it's not at all unusual for buyers to use freight-forwarders.
It's not exactly common but it does happen.

+1 not to long ago I sent a
 
Set No: 910001  Name: Castle in the Forest
* 
910001-1 (Inv) Castle in the Forest
1928 Parts, 6 Minifigures, 1 Gear, 2021
Sets: BrickLink Designer Program
to an American shipping forwarding company
which from what I was able to see was then shipped to Japan. 0 issues happened
during the transaction. buyer paid then I shipped


The OP is virtue signaling more than anything IMO.


Crystal
 Author: Nubs_Select View Messages Posted By Nubs_Select
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In Help, Adjour writes:
  In Help, Nubs_Select writes:
  In Help, peregrinator writes:
  In Help, ghyde writes:
  I would be super careful though, it's highly unusual for a
buyer to be using a freight forwarding address, especially if it's in Russia.

Can't speak to Russia but it's not at all unusual for buyers to use freight-forwarders.
It's not exactly common but it does happen.

+1 not to long ago I sent a
 
Set No: 910001  Name: Castle in the Forest
* 
910001-1 (Inv) Castle in the Forest
1928 Parts, 6 Minifigures, 1 Gear, 2021
Sets: BrickLink Designer Program
to an American shipping forwarding company
which from what I was able to see was then shipped to Japan. 0 issues happened
during the transaction. buyer paid then I shipped


The OP is virtue signaling more than anything IMO.

so it would seem

  
Crystal
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In Help, peregrinator writes:
  In Help, ghyde writes:
  I would be super careful though, it's highly unusual for a
buyer to be using a freight forwarding address, especially if it's in Russia.

Can't speak to Russia but it's not at all unusual for buyers to use freight-forwarders.
It's not exactly common but it does happen.

If there's a legitimate and valid reason to use a freight forwarder rather
than the country's own postal system, then the buyer in question should be
willing to explain it to the seller in this transaction.

If they are not forthcoming with valid explanations, then the seller has a valid
concern regarding the transaction.

Cheers ...

ghyde
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In Help, ghyde writes:
  In Help, peregrinator writes:
  In Help, ghyde writes:
  I would be super careful though, it's highly unusual for a
buyer to be using a freight forwarding address, especially if it's in Russia.

Can't speak to Russia but it's not at all unusual for buyers to use freight-forwarders.
It's not exactly common but it does happen.

If there's a legitimate and valid reason to use a freight forwarder rather
than the country's own postal system, then the buyer in question should be
willing to explain it to the seller in this transaction.

If they are not forthcoming with valid explanations, then the seller has a valid
concern regarding the transaction.

Cheers ...

seller might not offer shipping to their country or its cheaper to have multiple
package delivered locally in that country then bundled together and shipped out.
literally just a hour or so ago I did the exact same thing with some purchases
from overseasons. I paid 1 $80ish CAD shipping charge to get like 10 plus orders
weighing about 7 kilos shipped (excluding local shipping costs) instead of paying
about $30 per package

  ghyde
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In Help, Alizarin writes:
  Hello,

I recently received an order from a new user (0 Feedback) with an address in
Delaware, USA. The address is for a freight forwarding company (Shiptor, 1600
Johnson Way, New Castle, DE), which is a Russian company and will ship into Russia.
The phone number they provide has been linked multiple times to scams. I do not
ship to Russia, do not want to ship to Russia, and have no future plans to do
so either. I think this user is trying to get around sanctions and/or customs
fees.

When this buyer first contacted me, I was a little suspect of them, but I have
had other new buyers act in similar ways, and they were great buyers. After I
emailed photos of the set (75227) to the buyer, I got a response almost immediately,
and it sounded very different to the previous message that I had received. This
started to raise red flags for me, but after I got the shipping address I knew
something fishy was going on.

They requested an invoice, which I have not filled out yet, so I have not received
payment yet either.

Do I have any justification to cancel the order, or do I have to go through with
it?

Any help or insight would be appreciated,

Thanks,

-Alizarin


If the Paypal and Bricklink addresses match, mail the package and be done with
it.
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In Help, popsicle writes:
  Interesting. As far as my awareness reaches nowadays, the export controls portion
of the 2022 sanctions remain in place. Too tired to get into possible ramifications
if indeed the freight forwarder operating here in the states, is as you say a
"Russian company"

https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1329639

In Help, Alizarin writes:
  Hello,

I recently received an order from a new user (0 Feedback) with an address in
Delaware, USA. The address is for a freight forwarding company (Shiptor, 1600
Johnson Way, New Castle, DE), which is a Russian company and will ship into Russia.
The phone number they provide has been linked multiple times to scams. I do not
ship to Russia, do not want to ship to Russia, and have no future plans to do
so either. I think this user is trying to get around sanctions and/or customs
fees.

When this buyer first contacted me, I was a little suspect of them, but I have
had other new buyers act in similar ways, and they were great buyers. After I
emailed photos of the set (75227) to the buyer, I got a response almost immediately,
and it sounded very different to the previous message that I had received. This
started to raise red flags for me, but after I got the shipping address I knew
something fishy was going on.

They requested an invoice, which I have not filled out yet, so I have not received
payment yet either.

Do I have any justification to cancel the order, or do I have to go through with
it?

Any help or insight would be appreciated,

Thanks,

-Alizarin

If the PayPal address matches the US ship to address, what’s it matter where
it goes after? Your work is done, it’s delivered to the buyer at the US address.
They can’t claim it wasn’t delivered to wherever they really are as that was
never part of the equation.
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 Author: wildchicken13 View Messages Posted By wildchicken13
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In Help, rtzx9r writes:
  If the PayPal address matches the US ship to address, what’s it matter where
it goes after? Your work is done, it’s delivered to the buyer at the US address.
They can’t claim it wasn’t delivered to wherever they really are as that was
never part of the equation.

Violating international trade sanctions is kind of a big deal. If a seller suspects
that a package may be destined for Russia, even if they don't have full proof,
they'd be wise to cancel the order and report the member. Some would even
argue they've a responsibility to do so.
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--Update--

I asked the buyer if they had another address that they could ship to instead
of the one they provided, as I was not comfortable shipping to a shipping/freight
forwarder where the likely destination was Russia. They said they did not have
another. I said I would unfortunately be cancelling the order, while apologizing
that I could not help them more. Soon after I sent the buyer this message, they
requested the order be canceled themselves, so I canceled the order for them.

I will think a little while for what to give for feedback, before I post something
for this user.

Thank you everyone for taking the time to comment and offer your thoughts, I
really appreciate it.

-Alizarin
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In Help, Alizarin writes:
  --Update--

I asked the buyer if they had another address that they could ship to instead
of the one they provided, as I was not comfortable shipping to a shipping/freight
forwarder where the likely destination was Russia. They said they did not have
another. I said I would unfortunately be cancelling the order, while apologizing
that I could not help them more. Soon after I sent the buyer this message, they
requested the order be canceled themselves, so I canceled the order for them.

I will think a little while for what to give for feedback, before I post something
for this user.

Thank you everyone for taking the time to comment and offer your thoughts, I
really appreciate it.

-Alizarin

The buyer requested cancellation. You agreed to cancel. It was mutual. What need
is there for any feedback at all?
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In Help, calebfishn writes:
  The buyer requested cancellation. You agreed to cancel. It was mutual. What need
is there for any feedback at all?

Perhaps to warn other sellers, or to applaud the buyer for their cooperation.
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Russian children might like some LEGO during these times.

In Help, Alizarin writes:
  Hello,

I recently received an order from a new user (0 Feedback) with an address in
Delaware, USA. The address is for a freight forwarding company (Shiptor, 1600
Johnson Way, New Castle, DE), which is a Russian company and will ship into Russia.
The phone number they provide has been linked multiple times to scams. I do not
ship to Russia, do not want to ship to Russia, and have no future plans to do
so either. I think this user is trying to get around sanctions and/or customs
fees.

When this buyer first contacted me, I was a little suspect of them, but I have
had other new buyers act in similar ways, and they were great buyers. After I
emailed photos of the set (75227) to the buyer, I got a response almost immediately,
and it sounded very different to the previous message that I had received. This
started to raise red flags for me, but after I got the shipping address I knew
something fishy was going on.

They requested an invoice, which I have not filled out yet, so I have not received
payment yet either.

Do I have any justification to cancel the order, or do I have to go through with
it?

Any help or insight would be appreciated,

Thanks,

-Alizarin
 Author: 1001bricks View Messages Posted By 1001bricks
 Posted: Feb 17, 2023 11:57
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Location:  France, Provence-Alpes-Côte d'Azur
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In Help, molten.brick writes:
  Russian children might like some LEGO during these times.

Sure, but what Ukrainian children would like?
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They'd probably like some LEGO

In Help, 1001bricks writes:
  In Help, molten.brick writes:
  Russian children might like some LEGO during these times.

Sure, but what Ukrainian children would like?
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In Help, molten.brick writes:
  Russian children might like some LEGO during these times.


Little Timofey probably isn't too hard up if he can afford a $500 castle
set.
 Author: SezaR View Messages Posted By SezaR
 Posted: Feb 18, 2023 21:48
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In Help, Alizarin writes:
  Hello,

I recently received an order from a new user (0 Feedback) with an address in
Delaware, USA. The address is for a freight forwarding company (Shiptor, 1600
Johnson Way, New Castle, DE), which is a Russian company and will ship into Russia.
The phone number they provide has been linked multiple times to scams. I do not
ship to Russia, do not want to ship to Russia, and have no future plans to do
so either. I think this user is trying to get around sanctions and/or customs
fees.

When this buyer first contacted me, I was a little suspect of them, but I have
had other new buyers act in similar ways, and they were great buyers. After I
emailed photos of the set (75227) to the buyer, I got a response almost immediately,
and it sounded very different to the previous message that I had received. This
started to raise red flags for me, but after I got the shipping address I knew
something fishy was going on.

They requested an invoice, which I have not filled out yet, so I have not received
payment yet either.

Do I have any justification to cancel the order, or do I have to go through with
it?

Any help or insight would be appreciated,

Thanks,

-Alizarin

You don't have enough information on what happens to the order and where
it goes. You ship to an address in USA. That is the end of story for you.

If the company is Russian and they do business inside USA, shipping to Russia,
then they are certainly legit.

I have personally used freight forwarding companies as a buyer. As a seller,
I don't have any problem to ship to a freight forwarding company, except
if the order's value is very high.

There may be a buyer in Russia, using the address of his uncle or friend in USA
to buy from you and then ask hiss uncle/friend to ship to his address in Russia.
Are you going to do an investigation on all buyers to learn what they plans to
do with their Lego?!
What is the difference of shipping to a freight forwarding company from shipping
to an uncle of a Russian?
 Author: wildchicken13 View Messages Posted By wildchicken13
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wildchicken13 (876)

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In Help, SezaR writes:
  There may be a buyer in Russia, using the address of his uncle or friend in USA
to buy from you and then ask hiss uncle/friend to ship to his address in Russia.
Are you going to do an investigation on all buyers to learn what they plans to
do with their Lego?!

No, but in this case the seller has reason to believe that the package is destined
for Russia. It would be one thing if the package were addressed to a private
individual, but a quick Google search reveals that Shiptor is a freight forwarder
based in Moscow.

Doing business with Russia isn't prohibited per se, and I do wonder what
a Russian company is doing in Delaware. It may very well be that this is allowed,
but the seller has decided to cancel the order out of an abundance of caution.
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In Help, wildchicken13 writes:
  No, but in this case the seller has reason to believe that the package is destined
for Russia. It would be one thing if the package were addressed to a private
individual, but a quick Google search reveals that Shiptor is a freight forwarder
based in Moscow.

Doing business with Russia isn't prohibited per se, and I do wonder what
a Russian company is doing in Delaware. It may very well be that this is allowed,
but the seller has decided to cancel the order out of an abundance of caution.

Actually, upon further reflection, I realize that just because the freight forwarder
is based in Russia does not necessarily imply that the package itself is destined
for Russia. In particular, Shiptor serves a number of countries.

So, I think SezaR is right, we do not have enough information about where the
package is going.
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In Help, wildchicken13 writes:
  In Help, wildchicken13 writes:
  No, but in this case the seller has reason to believe that the package is destined
for Russia. It would be one thing if the package were addressed to a private
individual, but a quick Google search reveals that Shiptor is a freight forwarder
based in Moscow.

Doing business with Russia isn't prohibited per se, and I do wonder what
a Russian company is doing in Delaware. It may very well be that this is allowed,
but the seller has decided to cancel the order out of an abundance of caution.

Actually, upon further reflection, I realize that just because the freight forwarder
is based in Russia does not necessarily imply that the package itself is destined
for Russia. In particular, Shiptor serves a number of countries.

So, I think SezaR is right, we do not have enough information about where the
package is going.

Often this will be given using a code in the shipping address.
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RFC (71)

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Why wouldn't they ask a European or Asian seller
They have enough set (75227) in stock
Some sellers have no problem shipping to Russia.