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| | | Author: | normann1974  | | Posted: | Jul 19, 2022 11:18 | | Subject: | Red vs. Rust | | Viewed: | 146 times | | Topic: | Catalog | | Status: | Open | |
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| I just found in a mixed lot of Technic/Hero Factory/Bionicle and
I claim that it's not Rust.
In the attached photo, the only truly modern LEGO Red colored part is the bionicle
foot. The connector and the worm screw are a bit pale shade of Red. The bar and
key are even more pale (more Rust'y). The key is per the catalog Red, so
I see no point in defining any of the other parts as Rust. I belive these parts
parts are a pale shade of Red because of a softer plastic type that is needed
so that the parts don't break under the forces they may experience.
I'm not sure that Rust should exist for these common parts and that they
should be variants of Red just like older parts are slightly paler and darker
than modern parts.
So please consider removing the Rust color for these parts. I'll be selling
all these parts as Red.
/Jan
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| | | | | Author: | rylie_aitch | | Posted: | Jul 19, 2022 11:32 | | Subject: | Re: Red vs. Rust | | Viewed: | 53 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| You are correct, they are all 21 Bright Red, but LEGO wasn't able to match
the color well in these softer plastics. It's the same sort of material+color
inconsistency that led to many Pearl Light Gray parts being put under Flat Silver
here. :/
Incidentally, there IS an obscure Lego color called 216 Rust, but it's closer
to Dark Orange: https://www.flickr.com/photos/126975831@N07/15139390746
In Catalog, normann1974 writes:
| | I just found in a mixed lot of Technic/Hero Factory/Bionicle and
I claim that it's not Rust.
In the attached photo, the only truly modern LEGO Red colored part is the bionicle
foot. The connector and the worm screw are a bit pale shade of Red. The bar and
key are even more pale (more Rust'y). The key is per the catalog Red, so
I see no point in defining any of the other parts as Rust. I belive these parts
parts are a pale shade of Red because of a softer plastic type that is needed
so that the parts don't break under the forces they may experience.
I'm not sure that Rust should exist for these common parts and that they
should be variants of Red just like older parts are slightly paler and darker
than modern parts.
So please consider removing the Rust color for these parts. I'll be selling
all these parts as Red.
/Jan
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| | | | | | | Author: | SylvainLS | | Posted: | Jul 19, 2022 11:37 | | Subject: | Re: Red vs. Rust | | Viewed: | 52 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, ryanaitch writes:
| | You are correct, they are all 21 Bright Red, but LEGO wasn't able to match
the color well in these softer plastics. It's the same sort of material+color
inconsistency that led to many Pearl Light Gray parts being put under Flat Silver
here. :/
Incidentally, there IS an obscure Lego color called 216 Rust, but it's closer
to Dark Orange: https://www.flickr.com/photos/126975831@N07/15139390746
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Idle question:
Was BL Rust called that way because someone said “eh, that’s not exactly Red,
let’s call it Rust”, or was there a rumor / knowledge that LEGO had a colour
named Rust and someone said “eh, this is not Red, that must be the elusive Rust”?
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | rylie_aitch | | Posted: | Jul 19, 2022 12:34 | | Subject: | Re: Red vs. Rust | | Viewed: | 51 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, SylvainLS writes:
| | In Catalog, ryanaitch writes:
| | You are correct, they are all 21 Bright Red, but LEGO wasn't able to match
the color well in these softer plastics. It's the same sort of material+color
inconsistency that led to many Pearl Light Gray parts being put under Flat Silver
here. :/
Incidentally, there IS an obscure Lego color called 216 Rust, but it's closer
to Dark Orange: https://www.flickr.com/photos/126975831@N07/15139390746
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Idle question:
Was BL Rust called that way because someone said “eh, that’s not exactly Red,
let’s call it Rust”, or was there a rumor / knowledge that LEGO had a colour
named Rust and someone said “eh, this is not Red, that must be the elusive Rust”?
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Good question that I don't know the answer to  LEGO shared this color chart
to Peeron back in 2003:
http://www.peeron.com/cgi-bin/invcgis/colorguide.cgi
At that point we didn't know exactly what several of those color names referred
to. 216 Rust is on there, but it does have its RGB with it that looks nothing
like these darker-red parts. I'm not sure when the BL color was added, this
was all a few years before I joined the community.
Ryan
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | SylvainLS | | Posted: | Jul 19, 2022 12:45 | | Subject: | Re: Red vs. Rust | | Viewed: | 38 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, ryanaitch writes:
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| | Idle question:
Was BL Rust called that way because someone said “eh, that’s not exactly Red,
let’s call it Rust”, or was there a rumor / knowledge that LEGO had a colour
named Rust and someone said “eh, this is not Red, that must be the elusive Rust”?
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Good question that I don't know the answer to LEGO shared this color chart
to Peeron back in 2003:
http://www.peeron.com/cgi-bin/invcgis/colorguide.cgi
At that point we didn't know exactly what several of those color names referred
to. 216 Rust is on there, but it does have its RGB with it that looks nothing
like these darker-red parts.
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Well, the colour patches / RGB values don’t show a very good likeness for the
more common colours either. So I’m not sure “it doesn’t match the RGB values”
would have been a big counter-argument.
| | I'm not sure when the BL color was added, this
was all a few years before I joined the community.
Ryan
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Yeah, if we had been there back then, we would know and remember
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Turez | | Posted: | Jul 19, 2022 12:57 | | Subject: | Re: Red vs. Rust | | Viewed: | 35 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, SylvainLS writes:
| | In Catalog, ryanaitch writes:
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| | Idle question:
Was BL Rust called that way because someone said “eh, that’s not exactly Red,
let’s call it Rust”, or was there a rumor / knowledge that LEGO had a colour
named Rust and someone said “eh, this is not Red, that must be the elusive Rust”?
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Good question that I don't know the answer to LEGO shared this color chart
to Peeron back in 2003:
http://www.peeron.com/cgi-bin/invcgis/colorguide.cgi
At that point we didn't know exactly what several of those color names referred
to. 216 Rust is on there, but it does have its RGB with it that looks nothing
like these darker-red parts.
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Well, the colour patches / RGB values don’t show a very good likeness for the
more common colours either. So I’m not sure “it doesn’t match the RGB values”
would have been a big counter-argument.
| | I'm not sure when the BL color was added, this
was all a few years before I joined the community.
Ryan
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Yeah, if we had been there back then, we would know and remember
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Almost exactly 20 years ago:
https://www.bricklink.com/catalogColors.asp?sortBy=N
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | SylvainLS | | Posted: | Jul 19, 2022 13:21 | | Subject: | Re: Red vs. Rust | | Viewed: | 59 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, Turez writes:
Oh, I didn’t know you could have the dates on that page. Thanks!
So Rust was added before LEGO gave the palette.
That tells us it’s probable the RGB values weren’t known but that says nothing
about whether the name was known.
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| | | | | | | Author: | normann1974 | | Posted: | Jul 23, 2022 18:25 | | Subject: | Re: Red vs. Rust | | Viewed: | 49 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| So where do we go from here? Noone seems to object against removing "soft and
rusty" red parts from the "Rust" color category. But it seems the color is still
relevant for the skateboards and possibly other parts.
/Jan
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | randyf | | Posted: | Jul 23, 2022 18:38 | | Subject: | Re: Red vs. Rust | | Viewed: | 50 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, normann1974 writes:
| | So where do we go from here? Noone seems to object against removing "soft and
rusty" red parts from the "Rust" color category. But it seems the color is still
relevant for the skateboards and possibly other parts.
/Jan
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This will be taken up as a project at some point. Beyond that, there is no plan
right now.
Cheers,
Randy
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| | | | | Author: | here4bricks614 | | Posted: | Jul 19, 2022 11:51 | | Subject: | Re: Red vs. Rust | | Viewed: | 40 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, normann1974 writes:
| | I just found in a mixed lot of Technic/Hero Factory/Bionicle and
I claim that it's not Rust.
In the attached photo, the only truly modern LEGO Red colored part is the bionicle
foot. The connector and the worm screw are a bit pale shade of Red. The bar and
key are even more pale (more Rust'y). The key is per the catalog Red, so
I see no point in defining any of the other parts as Rust. I belive these parts
parts are a pale shade of Red because of a softer plastic type that is needed
so that the parts don't break under the forces they may experience.
I'm not sure that Rust should exist for these common parts and that they
should be variants of Red just like older parts are slightly paler and darker
than modern parts.
So please consider removing the Rust color for these parts. I'll be selling
all these parts as Red.
/Jan
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I was told a few months ago that there would be community input about this problem
and that these parts would have a definitive home by June. Given the notes, I
don’t see any reason not to have these moved. This problem also exists with Flat
Silver and Glow in the Dark parts, as many of those are under the wrong color.
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| | | | | Author: | popsicle | | Posted: | Jul 19, 2022 12:03 | | Subject: | (Cancelled) | | Viewed: | 47 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| | | | | Author: | TakeAbricK | | Posted: | Jul 24, 2022 09:59 | | Subject: | Re: Red vs. Rust | | Viewed: | 53 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, normann1974 writes:
| | I just found in a mixed lot of Technic/Hero Factory/Bionicle and
I claim that it's not Rust.
In the attached photo, the only truly modern LEGO Red colored part is the bionicle
foot. The connector and the worm screw are a bit pale shade of Red. The bar and
key are even more pale (more Rust'y). The key is per the catalog Red, so
I see no point in defining any of the other parts as Rust. I belive these parts
parts are a pale shade of Red because of a softer plastic type that is needed
so that the parts don't break under the forces they may experience.
I'm not sure that Rust should exist for these common parts and that they
should be variants of Red just like older parts are slightly paler and darker
than modern parts.
So please consider removing the Rust color for these parts. I'll be selling
all these parts as Red.
/Jan
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Imo parts that are in the catalog as Rust for about 20 years, can't be changed
to regular Red. Besides they don't even look Red and at least 4 parts that
I know of exist in Red ánd Rust.
As for the remaining parts, I still would like to know if they also exist in
regular Red. Unfortunately some sellers list them as Red and I receive Rust
So as a seller and a buyer I would prefer that these colors keep separated. To
separate them from the real Rust parts, maybe a new color name could be added.
Diana
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| | | | | | | Author: | wildchicken13 | | Posted: | Jul 24, 2022 10:46 | | Subject: | Re: Red vs. Rust | | Viewed: | 30 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, TakeAbricK writes:
| | Imo parts that are in the catalog as Rust for about 20 years, can't be changed
to regular Red.
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Why? Because they've rusted after sitting in the catalog for 20 years?
| | Besides they don't even look Red and at least 4 parts that
I know of exist in Red ánd Rust.
As for the remaining parts, I still would like to know if they also exist in
regular Red. Unfortunately some sellers list them as Red and I receive Rust
So as a seller and a buyer I would prefer that these colors keep separated. To
separate them from the real Rust parts, maybe a new color name could be added.
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Perhaps we should call the original color: "Real Rust"?
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| | | | | | | Author: | maxx3001 | | Posted: | Jul 24, 2022 10:47 | | Subject: | Re: Red vs. Rust | | Viewed: | 38 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, TakeAbricK writes:
| | In Catalog, normann1974 writes:
| | I just found in a mixed lot of Technic/Hero Factory/Bionicle and
I claim that it's not Rust.
In the attached photo, the only truly modern LEGO Red colored part is the bionicle
foot. The connector and the worm screw are a bit pale shade of Red. The bar and
key are even more pale (more Rust'y). The key is per the catalog Red, so
I see no point in defining any of the other parts as Rust. I belive these parts
parts are a pale shade of Red because of a softer plastic type that is needed
so that the parts don't break under the forces they may experience.
I'm not sure that Rust should exist for these common parts and that they
should be variants of Red just like older parts are slightly paler and darker
than modern parts.
So please consider removing the Rust color for these parts. I'll be selling
all these parts as Red.
/Jan
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Imo parts that are in the catalog as Rust for about 20 years, can't be changed
to regular Red. Besides they don't even look Red and at least 4 parts that
I know of exist in Red ánd Rust.
As for the remaining parts, I still would like to know if they also exist in
regular Red. Unfortunately some sellers list them as Red and I receive Rust
So as a seller and a buyer I would prefer that these colors keep separated. To
separate them from the real Rust parts, maybe a new color name could be added.
Diana
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+100%
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| | | | | | | Author: | here4bricks614 | | Posted: | Jul 24, 2022 11:50 | | Subject: | Re: Red vs. Rust | | Viewed: | 41 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, TakeAbricK writes:
| | In Catalog, normann1974 writes:
| | I just found in a mixed lot of Technic/Hero Factory/Bionicle and
I claim that it's not Rust.
In the attached photo, the only truly modern LEGO Red colored part is the bionicle
foot. The connector and the worm screw are a bit pale shade of Red. The bar and
key are even more pale (more Rust'y). The key is per the catalog Red, so
I see no point in defining any of the other parts as Rust. I belive these parts
parts are a pale shade of Red because of a softer plastic type that is needed
so that the parts don't break under the forces they may experience.
I'm not sure that Rust should exist for these common parts and that they
should be variants of Red just like older parts are slightly paler and darker
than modern parts.
So please consider removing the Rust color for these parts. I'll be selling
all these parts as Red.
/Jan
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Imo parts that are in the catalog as Rust for about 20 years, can't be changed
to regular Red. Besides they don't even look Red and at least 4 parts that
I know of exist in Red ánd Rust.
As for the remaining parts, I still would like to know if they also exist in
regular Red. Unfortunately some sellers list them as Red and I receive Rust
So as a seller and a buyer I would prefer that these colors keep separated. To
separate them from the real Rust parts, maybe a new color name could be added.
Diana
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This would require having to add more colors for Brittle Blue, dozens of Pearl
Gold variants, bad LBG, etc. Variation should only be noted in the item’s entry.
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | normann1974 | | Posted: | Jul 24, 2022 13:36 | | Subject: | Re: Red vs. Rust | | Viewed: | 40 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| | | This would require having to add more colors for Brittle Blue, dozens of Pearl
Gold variants, bad LBG, etc. Variation should only be noted in the item’s entry.
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Agreed.
It's the seller's job to specify any issues with parts, including color
variations (e.g. multiple Trans-Orange's). Serious sellers will do this or
state. For other sellers there will be many more inconsistencies with their parts
than just this one and customer satisfaction will not be perfect either way.
Even though official "Rust" could be removed from available colors, sellers could
always list them as "Rust" and sell them anyway. Nothing is stopping them.
/Jan
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | axaday | | Posted: | Jul 24, 2022 14:17 | | Subject: | Re: Red vs. Rust | | Viewed: | 38 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, here4bricks614 writes:
| | This would require having to add more colors for Brittle Blue, dozens of Pearl
Gold variants, bad LBG, etc. Variation should only be noted in the item’s entry.
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No it wouldn’t
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | here4bricks614 | | Posted: | Jul 24, 2022 14:45 | | Subject: | Re: Red vs. Rust | | Viewed: | 29 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, axaday writes:
| | In Catalog, here4bricks614 writes:
| | This would require having to add more colors for Brittle Blue, dozens of Pearl
Gold variants, bad LBG, etc. Variation should only be noted in the item’s entry.
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No it wouldn’t
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It sets a precedent that we don't need. We don't need extra colors for
all the different Trans-Light Blue variants, Dark Pink variants, etc.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | axaday | | Posted: | Jul 24, 2022 16:40 | | Subject: | Re: Red vs. Rust | | Viewed: | 36 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, here4bricks614 writes:
| | In Catalog, axaday writes:
| | In Catalog, here4bricks614 writes:
| | This would require having to add more colors for Brittle Blue, dozens of Pearl
Gold variants, bad LBG, etc. Variation should only be noted in the item’s entry.
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No it wouldn’t
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It sets a precedent that we don't need. We don't need extra colors for
all the different Trans-Light Blue variants, Dark Pink variants, etc.
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But deciding not to undo something that has been there for 20 years does not
in any way require us to do a whole bunch of other things that way. Obviously
for 20 years we've been able to have one and not the others. What's
another 20 years?
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | here4bricks614 | | Posted: | Jul 24, 2022 17:13 | | Subject: | Re: Red vs. Rust | | Viewed: | 42 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, axaday writes:
| | In Catalog, here4bricks614 writes:
| | In Catalog, axaday writes:
| | In Catalog, here4bricks614 writes:
| | This would require having to add more colors for Brittle Blue, dozens of Pearl
Gold variants, bad LBG, etc. Variation should only be noted in the item’s entry.
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No it wouldn’t
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It sets a precedent that we don't need. We don't need extra colors for
all the different Trans-Light Blue variants, Dark Pink variants, etc.
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But deciding not to undo something that has been there for 20 years does not
in any way require us to do a whole bunch of other things that way. Obviously
for 20 years we've been able to have one and not the others. What's
another 20 years?
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We didn’t have any official information for most of those 20 years. Flat Silver
was added back in 2004 to hold Pearl Light Gray parts that display extreme variation.
These “variant” BL colors have only led to confusion and problems for future
sellers and buyers here. I would like to see these cleaned up so that this problem
doesn’t continue to exist for another 20 years. Better late than never?
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | rylie_aitch | | Posted: | Jul 24, 2022 18:20 | | Subject: | Re: Red vs. Rust | | Viewed: | 48 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, here4bricks614 writes:
| | In Catalog, axaday writes:
| | In Catalog, here4bricks614 writes:
| | In Catalog, axaday writes:
| | In Catalog, here4bricks614 writes:
| | This would require having to add more colors for Brittle Blue, dozens of Pearl
Gold variants, bad LBG, etc. Variation should only be noted in the item’s entry.
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No it wouldn’t
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It sets a precedent that we don't need. We don't need extra colors for
all the different Trans-Light Blue variants, Dark Pink variants, etc.
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But deciding not to undo something that has been there for 20 years does not
in any way require us to do a whole bunch of other things that way. Obviously
for 20 years we've been able to have one and not the others. What's
another 20 years?
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We didn’t have any official information for most of those 20 years. Flat Silver
was added back in 2004 to hold Pearl Light Gray parts that display extreme variation.
These “variant” BL colors have only led to confusion and problems for future
sellers and buyers here. I would like to see these cleaned up so that this problem
doesn’t continue to exist for another 20 years. Better late than never?
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I would also like to see rust-red and old flat silver eliminated from the catalog.
(Even if 20 years of "precedent" never did bring about the addition of brittle
blue, multiple warm golds, etc.)
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| | | | | | | Author: | axaday | | Posted: | Jul 24, 2022 16:43 | | Subject: | Re: Red vs. Rust | | Viewed: | 40 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, TakeAbricK writes:
| | As for the remaining parts, I still would like to know if they also exist in
regular Red. Unfortunately some sellers list them as Red and I receive Rust
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | normann1974 | | Posted: | Jul 25, 2022 04:45 | | Subject: | Re: Red vs. Rust | | Viewed: | 66 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, axaday writes:
| | In Catalog, TakeAbricK writes:
| | As for the remaining parts, I still would like to know if they also exist in
regular Red. Unfortunately some sellers list them as Red and I receive Rust
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This case I believe is just poor quality assurance, and because it's mostly
a hidden part, someone decided that the color nuance wasn't that important.
I have a bunch of these as well. Also modern yellow technic axles exhibit variance
in color.
/Jan
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