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| | | Author: | tons_of_bricks  | | Posted: | Apr 25, 2022 18:45 | | Subject: | moving heads to animal is stupid | | Viewed: | 345 times | | Topic: | Catalog | | Status: | Open | |
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Why are these suggested to be moved over to animal, land? It doesn't make
sense. The category should be based on the shape of the item first, not decoration.
If this goes through, we'll have some of 19729 in heads, and then these two
in animal.
With this logic, the pink frogs should be moved to plant since they're used
as blossoms.
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| | | | | Author: | randyf | | Posted: | Apr 25, 2022 19:17 | | Subject: | Re: moving heads to animal is stupid | | Viewed: | 154 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, firestar246 writes:
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Why are these suggested to be moved over to animal, land? It doesn't make
sense. The category should be based on the shape of the item first, not decoration.
If this goes through, we'll have some of 19729 in heads, and then these two
in animal.
With this logic, the pink frogs should be moved to plant since they're used
as blossoms.
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A good question, and I will lay out the rationale below.
This is a part:
These are minifigures:
etc.
Just because a base item is in one area of the catalog (in this case, "Part")
does not mean that all other items that use that base item should be in the same
section of the catalog (in this case, "Minifigure").
In the above two cases that are to be moved, the items are Minecraft mobs, and
all Minecraft mobs that are animals/creatures are located in the Animal categories.
They are not used as heads for minifigures, so it does not reason to have them
located there. They will still be related to their base part through their item
numbers just as the microfigures above are.
Cheers,
Randy
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| | | | | | | Author: | RecycledBrick | | Posted: | Apr 25, 2022 21:54 | | Subject: | (Cancelled) | | Viewed: | 100 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | randyf | | Posted: | Apr 26, 2022 07:32 | | Subject: | Re: moving heads to animal is stupid | | Viewed: | 76 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, RecycledBrick writes:
| | Is this the only one of the Friends Flowers that is moving?
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There will be more in the future. I am currently suffering through some health
issues, so am working very little at this time. I had planned to do a lot more,
but they will have to wait until next time. I am sorry for the inconvenience.
Cheers,
Randy
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | popsicle | | Posted: | Apr 26, 2022 07:55 | | Subject: | Re: moving heads to animal is stupid | | Viewed: | 64 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, randyf writes:
| | In Catalog, RecycledBrick writes:
| | Is this the only one of the Friends Flowers that is moving?
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There will be more in the future. I am currently suffering through some health
issues, so am working very little at this time. I had planned to do a lot more,
but they will have to wait until next time. I am sorry for the inconvenience.
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Hope it's not too serious and that you get your strength back soon.
Feel better, Randy
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Nubs_Select | | Posted: | Apr 26, 2022 10:58 | | Subject: | Re: moving heads to animal is stupid | | Viewed: | 54 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| Hopefully you feel better soon!
(Perhaps some pizza would help  )
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | axaday | | Posted: | Apr 26, 2022 13:13 | | Subject: | Re: moving heads to animal is stupid | | Viewed: | 39 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, Nubs_Select writes:
| | Hopefully you feel better soon!
(Perhaps some pizza would help )
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I feel certain that pizza will help.
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | tons_of_bricks | | Posted: | Apr 26, 2022 11:36 | | Subject: | Re: moving heads to animal is stupid | | Viewed: | 56 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, randyf writes:
| | In Catalog, RecycledBrick writes:
| | Is this the only one of the Friends Flowers that is moving?
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There will be more in the future. I am currently suffering through some health
issues, so am working very little at this time. I had planned to do a lot more,
but they will have to wait until next time. I am sorry for the inconvenience.
Cheers,
Randy
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Hurry up and get better. 
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | jennnifer | | Posted: | Apr 26, 2022 12:13 | | Subject: | Re: moving heads to animal is stupid | | Viewed: | 61 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, randyf writes:
| | In Catalog, RecycledBrick writes:
| | Is this the only one of the Friends Flowers that is moving?
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There will be more in the future. I am currently suffering through some health
issues, so am working very little at this time. I had planned to do a lot more,
but they will have to wait until next time. I am sorry for the inconvenience.
Cheers,
Randy
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Take your time and feel better! It will all be here when you are ready.
Jen
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| | | | | | | Author: | tons_of_bricks | | Posted: | Apr 25, 2022 22:08 | | Subject: | Re: moving heads to animal is stupid | | Viewed: | 83 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, randyf writes:
| | In Catalog, firestar246 writes:
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Why are these suggested to be moved over to animal, land? It doesn't make
sense. The category should be based on the shape of the item first, not decoration.
If this goes through, we'll have some of 19729 in heads, and then these two
in animal.
With this logic, the pink frogs should be moved to plant since they're used
as blossoms.
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A good question, and I will lay out the rationale below.
This is a part:
These are minifigures:
etc.
Just because a base item is in one area of the catalog (in this case, "Part")
does not mean that all other items that use that base item should be in the same
section of the catalog (in this case, "Minifigure").
In the above two cases that are to be moved, the items are Minecraft mobs, and
all Minecraft mobs that are animals/creatures are located in the Animal categories.
They are not used as heads for minifigures, so it does not reason to have them
located there. They will still be related to their base part through their item
numbers just as the microfigures above are.
Cheers,
Randy
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I can see the reasoning behind the decorated microfigures being minifigures,
and I semi-see your point, but to me sometimes convenience should overrule technicality.
If I find one of these, my first look is most likely going to be straight in
the head,modified category since I will identify that shape right away as being
the minecraft head. However, unless I am very familiar with Minecraft (which
neither I nor our sorters are), I will never think to look over in animal at
all.
This is where tags or the ability to have the same piece in multiple categories
would be really nice, and until one of these features might exist, I think we
should keep the catalog as simple as possible to avoid unnecessary confusion;
with one of the ways keeping similar pieces together and not spread out. This
is also why I'm against the statuettes being split between parts and figures;
makes sorting very confusing (does this particular one go in our utensil bin
or complete minifigure bin?)
These two items are found in a minority of sets, while the steve/alex/skeleton
versions can be found in basically any minecraft set. Because of this, most users
are going to identify this particular piece as a head and find it very confusing
that two of them are seemingly randomly put into animal.
But this is my simple opinion, and if no one else feels the same, then who am
I to stand in the way of progress.
And finally, regardless of what happens in this case, I would like to thank you
Randy, and the other hard-working catalog administrators, for all the work you
guys do. There have been many changes that I do appreciate and I'd rather
have continued progress on the catalog with the odd changes that I disagree with
than no changes at all.
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | RecycledBrick | | Posted: | Apr 25, 2022 22:18 | | Subject: | (Cancelled) | | Viewed: | 61 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | randyf | | Posted: | Apr 26, 2022 07:43 | | Subject: | Re: moving heads to animal is stupid | | Viewed: | 49 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, RecycledBrick writes:
| | | | But this is my simple opinion, and if no one else feels the same, then who am
I to stand in the way of progress.
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I don't know know what a Minecraft mob is but I do know where the other Minecraft
heads are. I am always for changes when it makes things simpler and faster.
Looking in two different places for a piece that looks only different because
of the print doesn't seem easier.
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Thank you for taking the time to express your thoughts.
Cheers,
Randy
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | randyf | | Posted: | Apr 26, 2022 07:42 | | Subject: | Re: moving heads to animal is stupid | | Viewed: | 65 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, firestar246 writes:
| | In Catalog, randyf writes:
| | In Catalog, firestar246 writes:
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Why are these suggested to be moved over to animal, land? It doesn't make
sense. The category should be based on the shape of the item first, not decoration.
If this goes through, we'll have some of 19729 in heads, and then these two
in animal.
With this logic, the pink frogs should be moved to plant since they're used
as blossoms.
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A good question, and I will lay out the rationale below.
This is a part:
These are minifigures:
etc.
Just because a base item is in one area of the catalog (in this case, "Part")
does not mean that all other items that use that base item should be in the same
section of the catalog (in this case, "Minifigure").
In the above two cases that are to be moved, the items are Minecraft mobs, and
all Minecraft mobs that are animals/creatures are located in the Animal categories.
They are not used as heads for minifigures, so it does not reason to have them
located there. They will still be related to their base part through their item
numbers just as the microfigures above are.
Cheers,
Randy
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I can see the reasoning behind the decorated microfigures being minifigures,
and I semi-see your point, but to me sometimes convenience should overrule technicality.
If I find one of these, my first look is most likely going to be straight in
the head,modified category since I will identify that shape right away as being
the minecraft head. However, unless I am very familiar with Minecraft (which
neither I nor our sorters are), I will never think to look over in animal at
all.
This is where tags or the ability to have the same piece in multiple categories
would be really nice, and until one of these features might exist, I think we
should keep the catalog as simple as possible to avoid unnecessary confusion;
with one of the ways keeping similar pieces together and not spread out. This
is also why I'm against the statuettes being split between parts and figures;
makes sorting very confusing (does this particular one go in our utensil bin
or complete minifigure bin?)
These two items are found in a minority of sets, while the steve/alex/skeleton
versions can be found in basically any minecraft set. Because of this, most users
are going to identify this particular piece as a head and find it very confusing
that two of them are seemingly randomly put into animal.
But this is my simple opinion, and if no one else feels the same, then who am
I to stand in the way of progress.
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Thanks for your thoughts. At this time, these are just proposals. We had some
users that wanted them moved, but if more come out against them, they will not
be moved. I can see both sides of the argument, and I have to balance the pros
and cons. You obviously bring up some of the biggest cons. 
And, yes, this is where tags would be wonderful. The good news is that a tag
system is to finally begin development this year.
| | And finally, regardless of what happens in this case, I would like to thank you
Randy, and the other hard-working catalog administrators, for all the work you
guys do. There have been many changes that I do appreciate and I'd rather
have continued progress on the catalog with the odd changes that I disagree with
than no changes at all.
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Thank you very much for the kind words. We really do try our hardest with what
tools we have available to compromise with as many users as possible. Sometimes
it works in a user's favor, sometimes it doesn't. And we know we won't
ever please everyone. But the idea is to please as many as we can as much as
we can.
Cheers,
Randy
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| | | | | | | Author: | Nubs_Select | | Posted: | Apr 25, 2022 22:36 | | Subject: | (Cancelled) | | Viewed: | 74 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | novabrick | | Posted: | Apr 26, 2022 03:10 | | Subject: | Re: moving heads to animal is stupid | | Viewed: | 66 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, Nubs_Select writes:
| | I think its a good idea especially as you'd think a decent amount of people
who are buying (convincing their parents to buy it for them) these particular
items are younger and more familiar with Minecraft (myself included) and it makes
a lot of sense to put animals (mobs) with other animals instead of with heads
as it would be easier to find them.
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Reminds me of searching the Catalog for these two:
Which of course is an Animal not head gear
and this makes sense. It's no animal it's a minifig... (yeah i ranted
about that before at least they added Bat to it so it's easier to find)
I guess I have to learn all the exceptions to the norm.
Christian
novabrick-team
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | yorbrick | | Posted: | Apr 26, 2022 03:22 | | Subject: | Re: moving heads to animal is stupid | | Viewed: | 66 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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and this makes sense. It's no animal it's a minifig...
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Especially when other named animals such as Scooby Doo and Santa's Little
Helper go in animal. And cars with names go in minifigs not vehicle.
It's the problem with a catalogue structure based on parts designed decades
ago that doesn't fit modern products.
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | tons_of_bricks | | Posted: | Apr 26, 2022 06:40 | | Subject: | Re: moving heads to animal is stupid | | Viewed: | 46 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, novabrick writes:
| | In Catalog, Nubs_Select writes:
| | I think its a good idea especially as you'd think a decent amount of people
who are buying (convincing their parents to buy it for them) these particular
items are younger and more familiar with Minecraft (myself included) and it makes
a lot of sense to put animals (mobs) with other animals instead of with heads
as it would be easier to find them.
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Reminds me of searching the Catalog for these two:
Which of course is an Animal not head gear
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Oh yes, those. I'm always found it odd that that little guy in is animal
while the two very similar ninjago ones are in headgear.
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | tons_of_bricks | | Posted: | Apr 26, 2022 06:38 | | Subject: | Re: moving heads to animal is stupid | | Viewed: | 56 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, Nubs_Select writes:
| | I think its a good idea especially as you'd think a decent amount of people
who are buying (convincing their parents to buy it for them) these particular
items are younger and more familiar with Minecraft (myself included) and it makes
a lot of sense to put animals (mobs) with other animals instead of with heads
as it would be easier to find them.
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Perhaps, but on the flipside someone who is looking for these probably already
knows what they are called and a simple search of the name is going to bring
it right up regardless of what category it is located in.
Whereas how we do things (and I assume other sellers have a similar method) is
once we have a good amount of heads stocked up we'll then put them on our
store. We'll sort out all the minecraft heads, go the head modified category,
find the minecraft heads, and go through the list, listing each item as we come
across it. The problem is that only 2 of the 53 heads are now in another location.
Unless I do a deeper search, I may very well set those heads aside thinking they
are not on Bricklink yet. I could see listings of these two items dropping as
sellers can't find them. And if sellers can't sell them, buyers can't
buy them.
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Nubs_Select | | Posted: | Apr 26, 2022 14:02 | | Subject: | Re: moving heads to animal is stupid | | Viewed: | 28 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| | | Perhaps, but on the flipside someone who is looking for these probably already
knows what they are called and a simple search of the name is going to bring
it right up regardless of what category it is located in.
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Fair point, But perhaps they went to the animal, land category and typed in Minecraft
and went from there if they could quite remember the name of it.
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Whereas how we do things (and I assume other sellers have a similar method) is
once we have a good amount of heads stocked up we'll then put them on our
store. We'll sort out all the minecraft heads, go the head modified category,
find the minecraft heads, and go through the list, listing each item as we come
across it.
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Wouldnt it be a bit faster to type something like "Trans-Bright Green 19729*"
to find the head type or some variation of that as opposed to looking through
the entire head modified category. or just search for "trans-bright green head
modified Minecraft" (assuming only the category changes and not the name of the
part)
| | The problem is that only 2 of the 53 heads are now in another location.
Unless I do a deeper search, I may very well set those heads aside thinking they
are not on Bricklink yet. I could see listings of these two items dropping as
sellers can't find them. And if sellers can't sell them, buyers can't
buy them.
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Hmmm. I don't think that listing would drop too much unless since its easier
for people to find that it sell better
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | tons_of_bricks | | Posted: | Apr 26, 2022 14:05 | | Subject: | Re: moving heads to animal is stupid | | Viewed: | 32 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, Nubs_Select writes:
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Wouldnt it be a bit faster to type something like "Trans-Bright Green 19729*"
to find the head type or some variation of that as opposed to looking through
the entire head modified category. or just search for "trans-bright green head
modified Minecraft" (assuming only the category changes and not the name of the
part)
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We do all the head modifieds at once, so we start at the top of the list and
work down, listing them as we come across them. Sometimes we'll use keywords
if we know the name or theme (sw, minecraft, etc.).
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Nubs_Select | | Posted: | Apr 26, 2022 14:10 | | Subject: | Re: moving heads to animal is stupid | | Viewed: | 32 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| | | We do all the head modifieds at once, so we start at the top of the list and
work down, listing them as we come across them. Sometimes we'll use keywords
if we know the name or theme (sw, minecraft, etc.).
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That makes more sense I can understand that view a bit better now.
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | randyf | | Posted: | Apr 26, 2022 07:45 | | Subject: | Re: moving heads to animal is stupid | | Viewed: | 57 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, Nubs_Select writes:
| | I think its a good idea especially as you'd think a decent amount of people
who are buying (convincing their parents to buy it for them) these particular
items are younger and more familiar with Minecraft (myself included) and it makes
a lot of sense to put animals (mobs) with other animals instead of with heads
as it would be easier to find them.
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Thank you for your opinion. This is one of the sides of the issue that I have
to balance with.
Cheers,
Randy
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | runner.caller | | Posted: | Apr 26, 2022 10:53 | | Subject: | Re: moving heads to animal is stupid | | Viewed: | 45 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, Nubs_Select writes:
| | I think its a good idea especially as you'd think a decent amount of people
who are buying (convincing their parents to buy it for them) these particular
items are younger and more familiar with Minecraft (myself included) and it makes
a lot of sense to put animals (mobs) with other animals instead of with heads
as it would be easier to find them.
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Interesting. I'm not sure I'd ever notice what category they're in.
My process would be to go to Steve. Find that his head part number starts with
"19729" and then I'd just go to the main search bar and search "19729*" and
scroll until I found it.
At a future point when there are a lot of minecraft heads this shape, I'd
probably go through the color guide and find my color and search the same thing.
https://www.bricklink.com/catalogList.asp?pg=1&q=19729%2A&catLike=W&colorPart=59&sortBy=N&sortAsc=A&catType=P
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | yorbrick | | Posted: | Apr 26, 2022 13:11 | | Subject: | Re: moving heads to animal is stupid | | Viewed: | 38 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, runner.caller writes:
| | In Catalog, Nubs_Select writes:
| | I think its a good idea especially as you'd think a decent amount of people
who are buying (convincing their parents to buy it for them) these particular
items are younger and more familiar with Minecraft (myself included) and it makes
a lot of sense to put animals (mobs) with other animals instead of with heads
as it would be easier to find them.
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Interesting. I'm not sure I'd ever notice what category they're in.
My process would be to go to Steve. Find that his head part number starts with
"19729" and then I'd just go to the main search bar and search "19729*" and
scroll until I found it.
At a future point when there are a lot of minecraft heads this shape, I'd
probably go through the color guide and find my color and search the same thing.
https://www.bricklink.com/catalogList.asp?pg=1&q=19729%2A&catLike=W&colorPart=59&sortBy=N&sortAsc=A&catType=P
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I think I'd try to find it as a Minecraft head. They both look like faces.
Currently I'd be OK, but if the get moved to somewhere else and don't
get the keyword head in the name or category then I'd need to do something
else.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Nubs_Select | | Posted: | Apr 26, 2022 14:07 | | Subject: | Re: moving heads to animal is stupid | | Viewed: | 33 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| | | I think I'd try to find it as a Minecraft head. They both look like faces.
Currently I'd be OK, but if the get moved to somewhere else and don't
get the keyword head in the name or category then I'd need to do something
else.
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Yeah, hopefully, if the category changes that the items name doesn't change
at all otherwise that might make it difficult to find.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | 1001bricks | | Posted: | Apr 26, 2022 14:11 | | Subject: | Re: moving heads to animal is stupid | | Viewed: | 39 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, Nubs_Select writes:
| | | | I think I'd try to find it as a Minecraft head. They both look like faces.
Currently I'd be OK, but if the get moved to somewhere else and don't
get the keyword head in the name or category then I'd need to do something
else.
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Yeah, hopefully, if the category changes that the items name doesn't change
at all otherwise that might make it difficult to find.
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That's why we NEED a Tag system, so you could search using tags like:
"head", "animal", "star wars", "minifigure"
... and you're not bothered with in which Category it appears - said Categories
being arbitrary and capricious (often) ;D
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Nubs_Select | | Posted: | Apr 26, 2022 14:19 | | Subject: | Re: moving heads to animal is stupid | | Viewed: | 36 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| | | That's why we NEED a Tag system, so you could search using tags like:
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Yup! Thankfully they said it started "production" this year
(unless that was in a dream I had last night)
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"head", "animal", "star wars", "minifigure"
... and you're not bothered with in which Category it appears - said Categories
being arbitrary and capricious (often) ;D
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | 1001bricks | | Posted: | Apr 26, 2022 14:21 | | Subject: | Re: moving heads to animal is stupid | | Viewed: | 51 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, Nubs_Select writes:
| | | | That's why we NEED a Tag system, so you could search using tags like:
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Yup! Thankfully they said it started "production" this year
(unless that was in a dream I had last night)
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ETA: Future (c)(tm)(r)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | yorbrick | | Posted: | Apr 26, 2022 15:50 | | Subject: | Re: moving heads to animal is stupid | | Viewed: | 56 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, Nubs_Select writes:
| | | | I think I'd try to find it as a Minecraft head. They both look like faces.
Currently I'd be OK, but if the get moved to somewhere else and don't
get the keyword head in the name or category then I'd need to do something
else.
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Yeah, hopefully, if the category changes that the items name doesn't change
at all otherwise that might make it difficult to find.
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That's the issue. If this isn’t a head and so head gets removed from the
name (even though the basic part is called a head) then it means we would need
to shift from easy to remember part names to part numbers. Of course it is only
a few extra clicks and searches to find the number but if you have lots of different
parts to look for, little extras add up.
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Nubs_Select | | Posted: | Apr 26, 2022 14:06 | | Subject: | Re: moving heads to animal is stupid | | Viewed: | 32 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| | | Interesting. I'm not sure I'd ever notice what category they're in.
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Same, I don't think I really check item categories when listing items. I
usually only use it to look through different categories when I don't know
exactly what I need or want and just add different things that look interesting
from that category.
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My process would be to go to Steve. Find that his head part number starts with
"19729" and then I'd just go to the main search bar and search "19729*" and
scroll until I found it.
At a future point when there are a lot of minecraft heads this shape, I'd
probably go through the color guide and find my color and search the same thing.
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Or you could even type "trans-bright green" ahead of the part number to find
it even faster
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| | | | | | | Author: | yorbrick | | Posted: | Apr 26, 2022 07:30 | | Subject: | Re: moving heads to animal is stupid | | Viewed: | 65 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| Does that mean things like this should be moved to the food section along side
carrots, apples and cherries, since it is not a minifigure head and is only ever
used as a food item.
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | fritsp | | Posted: | Apr 26, 2022 08:03 | | Subject: | Re: moving heads to animal is stupid | | Viewed: | 54 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, yorbrick writes:
| | Does that mean things like this should be moved to the food section along side
carrots, apples and cherries, since it is not a minifigure head and is only ever
used as a food item.
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Could be, like this is a minifigure too, not a brick-decorated:
[m=sw0984]
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | yorbrick | | Posted: | Apr 26, 2022 08:14 | | Subject: | Re: moving heads to animal is stupid | | Viewed: | 84 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, yorbrick writes:
| | Does that mean things like this should be moved to the food section along side
carrots, apples and cherries, since it is not a minifigure head and is only ever
used as a food item.
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And of course there are plenty of other head base parts that are used for other
things that might be better placed elsewhere, such as these in animal, water:
The first one is also a named character.
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | kreativsnail | | Posted: | Apr 26, 2022 20:31 | | Subject: | Re: moving heads to animal is stupid | | Viewed: | 42 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, yorbrick writes:
| | In Catalog, yorbrick writes:
| | Does that mean things like this should be moved to the food section along side
carrots, apples and cherries, since it is not a minifigure head and is only ever
used as a food item.
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And of course there are plenty of other head base parts that are used for other
things that might be better placed elsewhere, such as these in animal, water:
The first one is also a named character.
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I feel that the Minifigure head part, no matter what is printed or not printed
on it, should remain in the minifig head category for ease of locating it. I
also feel that the square modified Minecraft head should remain in head modified
for the same reason. It is almost impossible in some cases to tell whether the
printing is for a “person” or an animal or just a decorative pattern.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | infinibrix | | Posted: | Apr 27, 2022 00:29 | | Subject: | Re: moving heads to animal is stupid | | Viewed: | 61 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, kreativsnail writes:
| | In Catalog, yorbrick writes:
| | In Catalog, yorbrick writes:
| | Does that mean things like this should be moved to the food section along side
carrots, apples and cherries, since it is not a minifigure head and is only ever
used as a food item.
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And of course there are plenty of other head base parts that are used for other
things that might be better placed elsewhere, such as these in animal, water:
The first one is also a named character.
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I feel that the Minifigure head part, no matter what is printed or not printed
on it, should remain in the minifig head category for ease of locating it. I
also feel that the square modified Minecraft head should remain in head modified
for the same reason. It is almost impossible in some cases to tell whether the
printing is for a “person” or an animal or just a decorative pattern.
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I agree and therefore parts should be categorized by their design otherwise you
create wider issues where parts like this printed brick also may end up needing
to be moved being its a cat animal character?
However to me its still just essentially a 1x3 decorated brick! just like those
heads with pineapple and fish are still just heads and so if you really still
felt the need to separate them all the heads would need to have sub categories
something like this...
MINIFIGURE HEAD:-
Plain
Decorated
For Minifigure
But if tags are coming it may not even matter too much whether all these heads
remain bundled in the same category and therefore on the same token those minecraft
heads would be better left together with the other minecraft heads rather than
creating confusion by moving them
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | randyf | | Posted: | Apr 27, 2022 07:21 | | Subject: | Re: moving heads to animal is stupid | | Viewed: | 53 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, infinibrix writes:
| | In Catalog, kreativsnail writes:
| | In Catalog, yorbrick writes:
| | In Catalog, yorbrick writes:
| | Does that mean things like this should be moved to the food section along side
carrots, apples and cherries, since it is not a minifigure head and is only ever
used as a food item.
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And of course there are plenty of other head base parts that are used for other
things that might be better placed elsewhere, such as these in animal, water:
The first one is also a named character.
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I feel that the Minifigure head part, no matter what is printed or not printed
on it, should remain in the minifig head category for ease of locating it. I
also feel that the square modified Minecraft head should remain in head modified
for the same reason. It is almost impossible in some cases to tell whether the
printing is for a “person” or an animal or just a decorative pattern.
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I agree and therefore parts should be categorized by their design otherwise you
create wider issues where parts like this printed brick also may end up needing
to be moved being its a cat animal character?
However to me its still just essentially a 1x3 decorated brick! just like those
heads with pineapple and fish are still just heads and so if you really still
felt the need to separate them all the heads would need to have sub categories
something like this...
MINIFIGURE HEAD:-
Plain
Decorated
For Minifigure
But if tags are coming it may not even matter too much whether all these heads
remain bundled in the same category and therefore on the same token those minecraft
heads would be better left together with the other minecraft heads rather than
creating confusion by moving them
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Thank you for your feedback.
Cheers,
Randy
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | axaday | | Posted: | Apr 27, 2022 08:28 | | Subject: | Re: moving heads to animal is stupid | | Viewed: | 47 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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Ha. Yes.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | yorbrick | | Posted: | Apr 27, 2022 02:44 | | Subject: | Re: moving heads to animal is stupid | | Viewed: | 51 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, kreativsnail writes:
| | In Catalog, yorbrick writes:
| | In Catalog, yorbrick writes:
| | Does that mean things like this should be moved to the food section along side
carrots, apples and cherries, since it is not a minifigure head and is only ever
used as a food item.
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And of course there are plenty of other head base parts that are used for other
things that might be better placed elsewhere, such as these in animal, water:
The first one is also a named character.
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I feel that the Minifigure head part, no matter what is printed or not printed
on it, should remain in the minifig head category for ease of locating it. I
also feel that the square modified Minecraft head should remain in head modified
for the same reason. It is almost impossible in some cases to tell whether the
printing is for a “person” or an animal or just a decorative pattern.
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Indeed, but that is not what us being suggested in the forthcoming moves. The
opposite is. Parts are being (and have already been moved) based on usage rather
than base part. Decorated parts are in different categories to plain parts.
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| | | | | Author: | Gaston.La.Brick | | Posted: | Apr 27, 2022 07:47 | | Subject: | Re: moving heads to animal is stupid | | Viewed: | 46 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| Regardless of the fact this new category makes more sense over the old category,
please do think of the consequences for sellers when any item switches categories.
Where item x would be in category 1 and stored in bin 1, all of a sudden the
same item x would be in category 2. But I will not find it in bin 2, because
I didn't move storage locations when an item changed categories in the past.
A solution would be to clearly list the former categories on the item detail
page. I'm not sure if category changes are listed in the inventory log, but
that log is long which makes it hard to spot those changes.
Secondly, when trying to determine what part an item is, I usually browse categories
because the search functionality of the site isn't that good. Extending items
with labels or tags (to assign multiple keywords to items) and use those in the
item search, might be a good improvement.
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| | | | | | | Author: | 1001bricks | | Posted: | Apr 27, 2022 07:58 | | Subject: | Re: moving heads to animal is stupid | | Viewed: | 53 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, Gaston.La.Brick writes:
| | Regardless of the fact this new category makes more sense over the old category,
please do think of the consequences for sellers when any item switches categories.
Where item x would be in category 1 and stored in bin 1, all of a sudden the
same item x would be in category 2. But I will not find it in bin 2, because
I didn't move storage locations when an item changed categories in the past.
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The problem is you should NEVER organize your stock by Categories, neither by
Color or Reference.
All this can change, and often changed by BrickLink directly in your Inventory
(worst case scenario).
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | Gaston.La.Brick | | Posted: | Apr 27, 2022 14:29 | | Subject: | Re: moving heads to animal is stupid | | Viewed: | 38 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| | | The problem is you should NEVER organize your stock by Categories, neither by
Color or Reference.
All this can change, and often changed by BrickLink directly in your Inventory
(worst case scenario).
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I run a very small shop, with a very limited inventory (although I have tons
to sort ...).
What is your secret to organize stock? By day of the week you purchased the part?
I'm joking of course, but I am interested in the organization methodologies
of other sellers.
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | tons_of_bricks | | Posted: | Apr 27, 2022 14:32 | | Subject: | Re: moving heads to animal is stupid | | Viewed: | 38 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, Gaston.La.Brick writes:
| | | | The problem is you should NEVER organize your stock by Categories, neither by
Color or Reference.
All this can change, and often changed by BrickLink directly in your Inventory
(worst case scenario).
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I run a very small shop, with a very limited inventory (although I have tons
to sort ...).
What is your secret to organize stock? By day of the week you purchased the part?
I'm joking of course, but I am interested in the organization methodologies
of other sellers.
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I organize by category, but also give each container a unique code and put that
code in the remarks of the items in that container. If an item changes category,
I still have the code in the items remark and can still find it just as easy.
Organizing by category makes listing easier; putting codes on the bins and items
makes it easier to find/remember where we put them.
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | wildchicken13 | | Posted: | Apr 27, 2022 14:35 | | Subject: | Re: moving heads to animal is stupid | | Viewed: | 39 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, Gaston.La.Brick writes:
| | | | The problem is you should NEVER organize your stock by Categories, neither by
Color or Reference.
All this can change, and often changed by BrickLink directly in your Inventory
(worst case scenario).
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I run a very small shop, with a very limited inventory (although I have tons
to sort ...).
What is your secret to organize stock? By day of the week you purchased the part?
I'm joking of course, but I am interested in the organization methodologies
of other sellers.
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Controversial opinion here, but I organize my parts by color or by color family
(red, green, blue, etc). It is clear and unambiguous; a tan brick is always a
tan brick no matter what the catmins decide to call the color, whereas categories
often change. Only if I have a lot of one particular color do I divide by category.
Obviously, this only works for a small store with a small number of bricks in
each color, for a larger store a more sophisticated solution is necessary, perhaps
by the part ID or something totally unrelated.
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | 1001bricks | | Posted: | Apr 27, 2022 17:08 | | Subject: | Re: moving heads to animal is stupid | | Viewed: | 46 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, Gaston.La.Brick writes:
| | | | The problem is you should NEVER organize your stock by Categories, neither by
Color or Reference.
All this can change, and often changed by BrickLink directly in your Inventory
(worst case scenario).
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I run a very small shop, with a very limited inventory (although I have tons
to sort ...).
What is your secret to organize stock? By day of the week you purchased the part?
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Spatial? Like "Drawer 056"?
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | runner.caller | | Posted: | Apr 27, 2022 17:46 | | Subject: | Re: moving heads to animal is stupid | | Viewed: | 45 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, 1001bricks writes:
| | In Catalog, Gaston.La.Brick writes:
| | Regardless of the fact this new category makes more sense over the old category,
please do think of the consequences for sellers when any item switches categories.
Where item x would be in category 1 and stored in bin 1, all of a sudden the
same item x would be in category 2. But I will not find it in bin 2, because
I didn't move storage locations when an item changed categories in the past.
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The problem is you should NEVER organize your stock by Categories, neither by
Color or Reference.
All this can change, and often changed by BrickLink directly in your Inventory
(worst case scenario).
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Agreed! I specialize in small minifig parts and most of my picking comes from
784 common sized small drawers.
I upload by category and before each upload, I run macros to auto sort my inventory
export so that I put each (lets say "modified head") into the most empty drawer
that doesn't already have a modified head in it. I do this for each category
with the goal being that any given drawer only has 1 minifig lot, 1 head lot,
one headgear lot, etc... as many dissimilar items as possible in each drawer.
It makes picking easy, cause you don't have to pay very close attention if
the customer ordered a torso from a given location and there is only 1 style
torso in that drawer.
I used to put all black torsos in one bin... uhhhhh... yikes... took forever
to find the correct one.
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | 1001bricks | | Posted: | Apr 27, 2022 19:05 | | Subject: | Re: moving heads to animal is stupid | | Viewed: | 45 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| | | It makes picking easy, cause you don't have to pay very close attention if
the customer ordered a torso from a given location and there is only 1 style
torso in that drawer.
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This^
I thought it was obvious; but apparently people prefer to put all the Minifig
Heads in the same drawer, so they've 99% chances to make a mistake
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | tons_of_bricks | | Posted: | Apr 27, 2022 20:07 | | Subject: | Re: moving heads to animal is stupid | | Viewed: | 64 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, 1001bricks writes:
| | | | It makes picking easy, cause you don't have to pay very close attention if
the customer ordered a torso from a given location and there is only 1 style
torso in that drawer.
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This^
I thought it was obvious; but apparently people prefer to put all the Minifig
Heads in the same drawer, so they've 99% chances to make a mistake
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I can see how that works for maybe a one-room workplace, but we have a storage
building, a sorting building, and then the listing usually occurs in the house.
When we list heads, for example, it's a lot easier to take one bin with all
the heads in it than a few hundred. But we keep them very organized with bags
and labels.
In fact, I feel this method may be slightly better as it forces the picker to
pay more attention to what they're actually handling and doing.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | runner.caller | | Posted: | Apr 28, 2022 10:15 | | Subject: | Re: moving heads to animal is stupid | | Viewed: | 41 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, firestar246 writes:
| | In Catalog, 1001bricks writes:
| | | | It makes picking easy, cause you don't have to pay very close attention if
the customer ordered a torso from a given location and there is only 1 style
torso in that drawer.
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This^
I thought it was obvious; but apparently people prefer to put all the Minifig
Heads in the same drawer, so they've 99% chances to make a mistake
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I can see how that works for maybe a one-room workplace, but we have a storage
building, a sorting building, and then the listing usually occurs in the house.
When we list heads, for example, it's a lot easier to take one bin with all
the heads in it than a few hundred. But we keep them very organized with bags
and labels.
In fact, I feel this method may be slightly better as it forces the picker to
pay more attention to what they're actually handling and doing.
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Makes sense. Even with a setup like that, I'd do 99% of the listing at home,
but just not process the XML file.
I'd have a baseplate with all the heads lined up in the order that I'm
going to put them away into their locations, and prep the file.
Then, I'd take them to the building where the orders are picked and process
the XML file and place each head into its bin.
This would not work for new parts, because once you stuck a head onto the baseplate
it would technically become used, but maybe someone could use something like
a segmented bead tray to accomplish the same thing.
But yes, I'd still be wasting time the next day putting them away, but I
think the time would be made up by picking orders faster.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | qwertyboy | | Posted: | Apr 28, 2022 12:46 | | Subject: | Re: moving heads to animal is stupid | | Viewed: | 54 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| We use those Acro-Mills-style small drawers to store minifigs heads We have them
labeled "b0000", "b0050", "b0100" etc, where "b0000" contains heads 3626bpb0000-3626bpb0049
etc. Nice and easy. Same with torsos - drawers "pb0000", "pb0050" (and here we
also have "px1" etc). Same with decorated legs. Our utensils are stored by item
ID in their own drawer cabinet, as are weapons.
I don't understand why some people here are so dead set against sorting by
category that they would say things like "... you should NEVER ..." (and worse).
Each way of storing has its advantages and drawbacks. We have sold close to 2
million used parts, with currently 217k items in 10k lots in stock. We don't
have issues with picking speed (we regularly handle 300+ lots orders). To us,
storing by category just makes sense. I can grab any item with just a description
(like "red brick 2x4") in 5 seconds without having to look anything up. I know
there are others who store by category (and one runs a 3M+ parts shop) without
issues.
If there are category reorganizations, we handle those when the need is there,
and sometimes the need is not that pressing. For instance, a while ago the category
"Brick, Arch" was renamed "Arch". We haven't even bothered moving the corresponding
drawers as we know where all our arches are.
[tl/dr] Store however works for you. If you store by remark, great. Store by
category, fine. Store by color, more power to you (even though I would like to
see that in action for a large inventory). As long as it is fast and organized,
who cares.
Niek.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | runner.caller | | Posted: | Apr 29, 2022 14:00 | | Subject: | Re: moving heads to animal is stupid | | Viewed: | 45 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, qwertyboy writes:
| | We use those Acro-Mills-style small drawers to store minifigs heads We have them
labeled "b0000", "b0050", "b0100" etc, where "b0000" contains heads 3626bpb0000-3626bpb0049
etc. Nice and easy. Same with torsos - drawers "pb0000", "pb0050" (and here we
also have "px1" etc). Same with decorated legs. Our utensils are stored by item
ID in their own drawer cabinet, as are weapons.
I don't understand why some people here are so dead set against sorting by
category that they would say things like "... you should NEVER ..." (and worse).
Each way of storing has its advantages and drawbacks. We have sold close to 2
million used parts, with currently 217k items in 10k lots in stock. We don't
have issues with picking speed (we regularly handle 300+ lots orders). To us,
storing by category just makes sense. I can grab any item with just a description
(like "red brick 2x4") in 5 seconds without having to look anything up. I know
there are others who store by category (and one runs a 3M+ parts shop) without
issues.
If there are category reorganizations, we handle those when the need is there,
and sometimes the need is not that pressing. For instance, a while ago the category
"Brick, Arch" was renamed "Arch". We haven't even bothered moving the corresponding
drawers as we know where all our arches are.
[tl/dr] Store however works for you. If you store by remark, great. Store by
category, fine. Store by color, more power to you (even though I would like to
see that in action for a large inventory). As long as it is fast and organized,
who cares.
Niek.
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Great stuff Niek!
You hit so many great points! Seems like a lot of long time sellers systems'
have evolved to the point they have blinders on and can't fathom how any
other method other than their own could be better but, like you said, the best
system is the one that each individual chooses for themselves.
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