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 Author: TakeAbricK View Messages Posted By TakeAbricK
 Posted: Mar 30, 2022 07:07
 Subject: BB0072, BB0073, BB0072c01
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TakeAbricK (13451)

Location:  Netherlands, Gelderland
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I would like to have opinions from vintage collectors on this one
 
Part No: bb0072  Name: String Reel Winch 4 x 4 x 2 with Sloped Top, Metal Handle, Black Drum and Crane Arm
* 
bb0072 String Reel Winch 4 x 4 x 2 with Sloped Top, Metal Handle, Black Drum and Crane Arm
Parts: String Reel / Winch {Red}
 
Part No: bb0073  Name: String Reel Winch 4 x 4 x 2 with Sloped Top, Metal Handle, Red Drum and Crane Arm
* 
bb0073 String Reel Winch 4 x 4 x 2 with Sloped Top, Metal Handle, Red Drum and Crane Arm
Parts: String Reel / Winch {Red}
doesn't appear in any set on Bricklink and I think the reason is:
 
Part No: bb0072c01  Name: String Reel Winch 4 x 4 x 2 with Sloped Top, Metal Handle, Black Drum and Crane Arm Complete with String and Crane Hook Right
* 
bb0072c01 (Inv) String Reel Winch 4 x 4 x 2 with Sloped Top, Metal Handle, Black Drum and Crane Arm Complete with String and Crane Hook Right
Parts: String Reel / Winch {Red}
because of this assembly with black string it looks like all these have a black
drum.

I wanted to add a bb0073c01 to the catalogue, but I am having some doubts, because
 
Part No: x77a  Name: String, Cord Thin (Undetermined Length)
* 
x77a String, Cord Thin (Undetermined Length)
Parts: String & Net {Black}
has an undetermined length and this length could be different per set

and

 
Part No: 3127  Name: Hook Plate, Modified 1 x 2 with Crane Hook Left
* 
3127 Hook Plate, Modified 1 x 2 with Crane Hook Left
Parts: Hook {Red}
and
 
Part No: 3127b  Name: Hook Plate, Modified 1 x 2 with Crane Hook Right
* 
3127b Hook Plate, Modified 1 x 2 with Crane Hook Right
Parts: Hook {Red}
appear in sets randomly. Both variants exist in Pat Pend, Pat Pend
Obscured ...

Since a part assembly can't have alternate parts in it's inventory, I
think it would be better to have the separate parts in inventories, instead of
the assembly.

I know set 183-1 came with a complete assembly, but I am not sure it did come
in all 9 sets as assembly (most of them have the assembly as regular in the inventory
from the start though). Set 183 has almost everything assembled.

Besides your opinion on this, I would like to ask members who have one or more
sets below, to check:
- does it have bb0072 or bb0073
- does it have 3127 or 3127b
- what's the length of the string
- did it come assembled in the original sealed box
Please mention why you think it came original with the set (had it from childhood,
was bought sealed, etc..). The more proof, the better. If you have images from
sealed set contents, I would really appreciate it. Images of black drums in catalogues,
on box and in instructions are not considered as proof, that it actually came
with a black drum.

Sets:
 
Set No: 371  Name: Motorized Truck Set
* 
371-2 (Inv) Motorized Truck Set
315 Parts, 1967
Sets: Samsonite: Model Maker: Cargo
1967-
Samsonite
 
Set No: 332  Name: Tow Truck
* 
332-1 (Inv) Tow Truck
56 Parts, 1967
Sets: Classic: Vehicle: Traffic
1967-1970
 
Set No: 310  Name: Motorized Truck Set
* 
310-1 (Inv) Motorized Truck Set
181 Parts, 1969
Sets: Samsonite: Model Maker: Traffic
1969-
Samsonite
 
Set No: 372  Name: Tow Truck
* 
372-2 (Inv) Tow Truck
53 Parts, 1971
Sets: LEGOLAND: Vehicle: Traffic
1971-1972
 
Set No: 382  Name: Breakdown Truck and Car
* 
382-1 (Inv) Breakdown Truck and Car
91 Parts, 1973
Sets: LEGOLAND: Vehicle: Traffic
1973-1974
has bb0072c01 as counterpart (which has hook 3127b), but the hook in the inventory
is 3127
 
Set No: 710  Name: Wrecker with Car
* 
710-1 (Inv) Wrecker with Car
91 Parts, 1974
Sets: LEGOLAND: Vehicle: Traffic
1973-
Same set as 382-1
 
Set No: 183  Name: Complete Train Set with Motor and Signal
* 
183-1 (Inv) Complete Train Set with Motor and Signal
183 Parts, 1976
Sets: Train: 4.5V
1976-1977

My boxed set has
- bb0073
- 3127 pat pend obscured
- string is replaced I think
 
Set No: 218  Name: Firemen
* 
218-1 (Inv) Firemen
276 Parts, 1977
Sets: Building Set with People: Fire
1977-1978

I have a glued retailer model with
- bb0073
- 3127b
- string original appr. 35cm
 
Set No: 340  Name: Fire Trucks
* 
340-2 (Inv) Fire Trucks
276 Parts, 1978
Sets: Building Set with People: Fire
1978
Same set as 218-1

For set
 
Set No: 183  Name: Complete Train Set with Motor and Signal
* 
183-1 (Inv) Complete Train Set with Motor and Signal
183 Parts, 1976
Sets: Train: 4.5V
I would also appreciate of you check the turntable you have in your set.

See:
https://www.bricklink.com/messageThread.asp?ID=278353


Diana
 Author: TakeAbricK View Messages Posted By TakeAbricK
 Posted: Apr 3, 2022 15:44
 Subject: Re: BB0072, BB0073, BB0072c01
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In Catalog, TakeAbricK writes:
  I would like to have opinions from vintage collectors on this one
 
Part No: bb0072  Name: String Reel Winch 4 x 4 x 2 with Sloped Top, Metal Handle, Black Drum and Crane Arm
* 
bb0072 String Reel Winch 4 x 4 x 2 with Sloped Top, Metal Handle, Black Drum and Crane Arm
Parts: String Reel / Winch {Red}
 
Part No: bb0073  Name: String Reel Winch 4 x 4 x 2 with Sloped Top, Metal Handle, Red Drum and Crane Arm
* 
bb0073 String Reel Winch 4 x 4 x 2 with Sloped Top, Metal Handle, Red Drum and Crane Arm
Parts: String Reel / Winch {Red}
doesn't appear in any set on Bricklink and I think the reason is:
 
Part No: bb0072c01  Name: String Reel Winch 4 x 4 x 2 with Sloped Top, Metal Handle, Black Drum and Crane Arm Complete with String and Crane Hook Right
* 
bb0072c01 (Inv) String Reel Winch 4 x 4 x 2 with Sloped Top, Metal Handle, Black Drum and Crane Arm Complete with String and Crane Hook Right
Parts: String Reel / Winch {Red}
because of this assembly with black string it looks like all these have a black
drum.

I wanted to add a bb0073c01 to the catalogue, but I am having some doubts, because
 
Part No: x77a  Name: String, Cord Thin (Undetermined Length)
* 
x77a String, Cord Thin (Undetermined Length)
Parts: String & Net {Black}
has an undetermined length and this length could be different per set

and

 
Part No: 3127  Name: Hook Plate, Modified 1 x 2 with Crane Hook Left
* 
3127 Hook Plate, Modified 1 x 2 with Crane Hook Left
Parts: Hook {Red}
and
 
Part No: 3127b  Name: Hook Plate, Modified 1 x 2 with Crane Hook Right
* 
3127b Hook Plate, Modified 1 x 2 with Crane Hook Right
Parts: Hook {Red}
appear in sets randomly. Both variants exist in Pat Pend, Pat Pend
Obscured ...

Since a part assembly can't have alternate parts in it's inventory, I
think it would be better to have the separate parts in inventories, instead of
the assembly.

I know set 183-1 came with a complete assembly, but I am not sure it did come
in all 9 sets as assembly (most of them have the assembly as regular in the inventory
from the start though). Set 183 has almost everything assembled.

Besides your opinion on this, I would like to ask members who have one or more
sets below, to check:
- does it have bb0072 or bb0073
- does it have 3127 or 3127b
- what's the length of the string
- did it come assembled in the original sealed box
Please mention why you think it came original with the set (had it from childhood,
was bought sealed, etc..). The more proof, the better. If you have images from
sealed set contents, I would really appreciate it. Images of black drums in catalogues,
on box and in instructions are not considered as proof, that it actually came
with a black drum.

Sets:
 
Set No: 371  Name: Motorized Truck Set
* 
371-2 (Inv) Motorized Truck Set
315 Parts, 1967
Sets: Samsonite: Model Maker: Cargo
1967-
Samsonite
 
Set No: 332  Name: Tow Truck
* 
332-1 (Inv) Tow Truck
56 Parts, 1967
Sets: Classic: Vehicle: Traffic
1967-1970
 
Set No: 310  Name: Motorized Truck Set
* 
310-1 (Inv) Motorized Truck Set
181 Parts, 1969
Sets: Samsonite: Model Maker: Traffic
1969-
Samsonite
 
Set No: 372  Name: Tow Truck
* 
372-2 (Inv) Tow Truck
53 Parts, 1971
Sets: LEGOLAND: Vehicle: Traffic
1971-1972
 
Set No: 382  Name: Breakdown Truck and Car
* 
382-1 (Inv) Breakdown Truck and Car
91 Parts, 1973
Sets: LEGOLAND: Vehicle: Traffic
1973-1974
has bb0072c01 as counterpart (which has hook 3127b), but the hook in the inventory
is 3127

Found 5 sets on the internet, all with red drum, 4 with hook 3127 and 1 with
hook 3127b

  
 
Set No: 710  Name: Wrecker with Car
* 
710-1 (Inv) Wrecker with Car
91 Parts, 1974
Sets: LEGOLAND: Vehicle: Traffic
1973-
Same set as 382-1

Found 2 sets on the internet, both with red drum and hook 3127

  
 
Set No: 183  Name: Complete Train Set with Motor and Signal
* 
183-1 (Inv) Complete Train Set with Motor and Signal
183 Parts, 1976
Sets: Train: 4.5V
1976-1977

My boxed set has
- bb0073
- 3127 pat pend obscured
- string is replaced I think
 
Set No: 218  Name: Firemen
* 
218-1 (Inv) Firemen
276 Parts, 1977
Sets: Building Set with People: Fire
1977-1978

I have a glued retailer model with
- bb0073
- 3127b
- string original appr. 35cm
 
Set No: 340  Name: Fire Trucks
* 
340-2 (Inv) Fire Trucks
276 Parts, 1978
Sets: Building Set with People: Fire
1978
Same set as 218-1

For set
 
Set No: 183  Name: Complete Train Set with Motor and Signal
* 
183-1 (Inv) Complete Train Set with Motor and Signal
183 Parts, 1976
Sets: Train: 4.5V
I would also appreciate of you check the turntable you have in your set.

See:
https://www.bricklink.com/messageThread.asp?ID=278353


Diana

So far I think the switch from black to red drum was made somewhere around 1973-1975.

 
Set No: 382  Name: Breakdown Truck and Car
* 
382-1 (Inv) Breakdown Truck and Car
91 Parts, 1973
Sets: LEGOLAND: Vehicle: Traffic
is the last set that still has the black drum in instruction and on box, which
doesn't mean the switch to red drum wasn't made already when production
started.

I still didn't find any proof that (besides set 183-1) this reel winch came
in sets assembled with string and hook.

I'm also still thinking that the hook came randomly (left/right).
Found an as new set of 218-1 on the internet, with another hook than my glued
model.

Diana