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| | | Author: | Miro78  | | Posted: | Mar 5, 2022 13:17 | | Subject: | Dark Purple Classic Space Torso ID Convention | | Viewed: | 132 times | | Topic: | Catalog | | Status: | Open | |
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| The Dark Purple Classic Space torso for the CMF22 series figure 11 (Space Creature)
pictured below contains a classic space torso given a new print ID of 973pb4514c01,
with the emphasis on the print pattern of ID of 973pb4514*, which does not follow
the classic space print torso convention of 973p90* which is used on classic
space torso prints.
Even the CMF Rocket Boy from the CMF series 17
or the other reissues of the Classic Space figures follow this convention torso
973pb90 ID convention.
I highly suggest changing the 973pb4514c01 to be renamed to 973p90new2c11 which
is the next sequential available color number. Ideally the # ID after the "c"
should be BL color ID, but alas that would be a huge undertaking for the Catalog
system. Here is the list of the current 973p90new2* catalog entries: https://www.bricklink.com/catalogList.asp?pg=1&q=973p90new2%2A&catLike=W&v=1
Miro
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| | | | | Author: | Miro78 | | Posted: | Mar 5, 2022 13:36 | | Subject: | Re: Dark Purple Classic Space Torso ID Convention | | Viewed: | 29 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, Miro78 writes:
| | The Dark Purple Classic Space torso for the CMF22 series figure 11 (Space Creature)
pictured below contains a classic space torso given a new print ID of 973pb4514c01,
with the emphasis on the print pattern of ID of 973pb4514*, which does not follow
the classic space print torso convention of 973p90* which is used on classic
space torso prints.
Even the CMF Rocket Boy from the CMF series 17
or the other reissues of the Classic Space figures follow this convention torso
973p90 ID convention.
I highly suggest changing the 973pb4514c01 to be renamed to 973p90new2c11 which
is the next sequential available color number. Ideally the # ID after the "c"
should be BL color ID, but alas that would be a huge undertaking for the Catalog
system. Here is the list of the current 973p90new2* catalog entries: https://www.bricklink.com/catalogList.asp?pg=1&q=973p90new2%2A&catLike=W&v=1
Miro
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Upon closer inspection, perhaps this warrants a "new3" subclassifications due
to the print on the planet containing light gold highlight, so actually 973p90new3c11
would be better fitting. I will submit this request with a link to this post.
Miro
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| | | | | Author: | axaday | | Posted: | Mar 5, 2022 13:36 | | Subject: | Re: Dark Purple Classic Space Torso ID Convention | | Viewed: | 48 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, Miro78 writes:
| | The Dark Purple Classic Space torso for the CMF22 series figure 11 (Space Creature)
pictured below contains a classic space torso given a new print ID of 973pb4514c01,
with the emphasis on the print pattern of ID of 973pb4514*, which does not follow
the classic space print torso convention of 973p90* which is used on classic
space torso prints.
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"New" denotes that it is for a reissued minifig, so that you can tell whether
you are listing or buying the vintage or reissue version of a torso. It is possible
that "973p90new" should have had a new number, since its vertical centering made
a pretty obvious difference, but it was for a reissue of an old minifigure.
"973p90new2" was an improved reissue of 973p90. You can tell it apart only from
the ribs inside. It is really 973p90, but delineated so people can keep the
vintage and reissues separate.
973pb4514 is a different case. It was not made for a reissue minifigure and
it is not the same print.
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| | | | | | | Author: | Miro78 | | Posted: | Mar 5, 2022 13:38 | | Subject: | (Cancelled) | | Viewed: | 35 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| | | | | | | Author: | Miro78 | | Posted: | Mar 5, 2022 13:45 | | Subject: | Re: Dark Purple Classic Space Torso ID Convention | | Viewed: | 56 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, axaday writes:
| | In Catalog, Miro78 writes:
| | The Dark Purple Classic Space torso for the CMF22 series figure 11 (Space Creature)
pictured below contains a classic space torso given a new print ID of 973pb4514c01,
with the emphasis on the print pattern of ID of 973pb4514*, which does not follow
the classic space print torso convention of 973p90* which is used on classic
space torso prints.
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"New" denotes that it is for a reissued minifig, so that you can tell whether
you are listing or buying the vintage or reissue version of a torso. It is possible
that "973p90new" should have had a new number, since its vertical centering made
a pretty obvious difference, but it was for a reissue of an old minifigure.
"973p90new2" was an improved reissue of 973p90. You can tell it apart only from
the ribs inside. It is really 973p90, but delineated so people can keep the
vintage and reissues separate.
973pb4514 is a different case. It was not made for a reissue minifigure and
it is not the same print.
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So the slightest highlight of the print is what is causing BL to assign it a
new print ID? What if Lego continues on with classic spaceman figures like the
orange one and updates the print to include the new highlight? Will it then cause
for a new print convention for the series? At the time of the original writing,
I did not catch the slightest highlight on the print.
Miro
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | randyf | | Posted: | Mar 5, 2022 19:07 | | Subject: | Re: Dark Purple Classic Space Torso ID Convention | | Viewed: | 46 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, Miro78 writes:
| | In Catalog, axaday writes:
| | In Catalog, Miro78 writes:
| | The Dark Purple Classic Space torso for the CMF22 series figure 11 (Space Creature)
pictured below contains a classic space torso given a new print ID of 973pb4514c01,
with the emphasis on the print pattern of ID of 973pb4514*, which does not follow
the classic space print torso convention of 973p90* which is used on classic
space torso prints.
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"New" denotes that it is for a reissued minifig, so that you can tell whether
you are listing or buying the vintage or reissue version of a torso. It is possible
that "973p90new" should have had a new number, since its vertical centering made
a pretty obvious difference, but it was for a reissue of an old minifigure.
"973p90new2" was an improved reissue of 973p90. You can tell it apart only from
the ribs inside. It is really 973p90, but delineated so people can keep the
vintage and reissues separate.
973pb4514 is a different case. It was not made for a reissue minifigure and
it is not the same print.
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So the slightest highlight of the print is what is causing BL to assign it a
new print ID? What if Lego continues on with classic spaceman figures like the
orange one and updates the print to include the new highlight? Will it then cause
for a new print convention for the series? At the time of the original writing,
I did not catch the slightest highlight on the print.
Miro
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New patterns on torsos are given new identifiers. The dark purple torso in question
is a new pattern from the older ones, so it gets its own number. If LEGO use
this exact pattern on another torso, then it will get numbered beginning with
973pb4514, also. And if LEGO issues yet another take on the logo, it will get
yet another new torso number. It really is that simple. 
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Miro78 | | Posted: | Mar 6, 2022 11:10 | | Subject: | Re: Dark Purple Classic Space Torso ID Convention | | Viewed: | 36 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, randyf writes:
| | In Catalog, Miro78 writes:
| | In Catalog, axaday writes:
| | In Catalog, Miro78 writes:
| | The Dark Purple Classic Space torso for the CMF22 series figure 11 (Space Creature)
pictured below contains a classic space torso given a new print ID of 973pb4514c01,
with the emphasis on the print pattern of ID of 973pb4514*, which does not follow
the classic space print torso convention of 973p90* which is used on classic
space torso prints.
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"New" denotes that it is for a reissued minifig, so that you can tell whether
you are listing or buying the vintage or reissue version of a torso. It is possible
that "973p90new" should have had a new number, since its vertical centering made
a pretty obvious difference, but it was for a reissue of an old minifigure.
"973p90new2" was an improved reissue of 973p90. You can tell it apart only from
the ribs inside. It is really 973p90, but delineated so people can keep the
vintage and reissues separate.
973pb4514 is a different case. It was not made for a reissue minifigure and
it is not the same print.
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So the slightest highlight of the print is what is causing BL to assign it a
new print ID? What if Lego continues on with classic spaceman figures like the
orange one and updates the print to include the new highlight? Will it then cause
for a new print convention for the series? At the time of the original writing,
I did not catch the slightest highlight on the print.
Miro
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New patterns on torsos are given new identifiers. The dark purple torso in question
is a new pattern from the older ones, so it gets its own number. If LEGO use
this exact pattern on another torso, then it will get numbered beginning with
973pb4514, also. And if LEGO issues yet another take on the logo, it will get
yet another new torso number. It really is that simple.
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Do we really think this print is different or is it just an effect of the
dark purple bleeding through the background giving it the appearance of light
and dark gold. It looks like the "highlight" portion of the gold is where it
overlaps with the white in contrast to the "darker" gold where there is dark
purple underneath it. Perhaps Lego did not apply enough gold paint to overcome
the dark purple color beneath.
I am looking at all of the colored versions of the classic space prints and I
feel like we are being way too discriminating on this one, whereas there are
print variations on other figures that get ignored.
Miro
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Miro78 | | Posted: | Mar 6, 2022 11:34 | | Subject: | Re: Dark Purple Classic Space Torso ID Convention | | Viewed: | 34 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, randyf writes:
| | In Catalog, Miro78 writes:
| | In Catalog, axaday writes:
| | In Catalog, Miro78 writes:
| | The Dark Purple Classic Space torso for the CMF22 series figure 11 (Space Creature)
pictured below contains a classic space torso given a new print ID of 973pb4514c01,
with the emphasis on the print pattern of ID of 973pb4514*, which does not follow
the classic space print torso convention of 973p90* which is used on classic
space torso prints.
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"New" denotes that it is for a reissued minifig, so that you can tell whether
you are listing or buying the vintage or reissue version of a torso. It is possible
that "973p90new" should have had a new number, since its vertical centering made
a pretty obvious difference, but it was for a reissue of an old minifigure.
"973p90new2" was an improved reissue of 973p90. You can tell it apart only from
the ribs inside. It is really 973p90, but delineated so people can keep the
vintage and reissues separate.
973pb4514 is a different case. It was not made for a reissue minifigure and
it is not the same print.
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So the slightest highlight of the print is what is causing BL to assign it a
new print ID? What if Lego continues on with classic spaceman figures like the
orange one and updates the print to include the new highlight? Will it then cause
for a new print convention for the series? At the time of the original writing,
I did not catch the slightest highlight on the print.
Miro
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New patterns on torsos are given new identifiers. The dark purple torso in question
is a new pattern from the older ones, so it gets its own number. If LEGO use
this exact pattern on another torso, then it will get numbered beginning with
973pb4514, also. And if LEGO issues yet another take on the logo, it will get
yet another new torso number. It really is that simple.
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Ok, I hope this is evidence proof that this is not a new print, but merely a
printing artifact. See image below.
Miro
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Miro78 | | Posted: | Mar 6, 2022 11:38 | | Subject: | Re: Dark Purple Classic Space Torso ID Convention | | Viewed: | 35 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, Miro78 writes:
| | In Catalog, randyf writes:
| | In Catalog, Miro78 writes:
| | In Catalog, axaday writes:
| | In Catalog, Miro78 writes:
| | The Dark Purple Classic Space torso for the CMF22 series figure 11 (Space Creature)
pictured below contains a classic space torso given a new print ID of 973pb4514c01,
with the emphasis on the print pattern of ID of 973pb4514*, which does not follow
the classic space print torso convention of 973p90* which is used on classic
space torso prints.
|
"New" denotes that it is for a reissued minifig, so that you can tell whether
you are listing or buying the vintage or reissue version of a torso. It is possible
that "973p90new" should have had a new number, since its vertical centering made
a pretty obvious difference, but it was for a reissue of an old minifigure.
"973p90new2" was an improved reissue of 973p90. You can tell it apart only from
the ribs inside. It is really 973p90, but delineated so people can keep the
vintage and reissues separate.
973pb4514 is a different case. It was not made for a reissue minifigure and
it is not the same print.
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So the slightest highlight of the print is what is causing BL to assign it a
new print ID? What if Lego continues on with classic spaceman figures like the
orange one and updates the print to include the new highlight? Will it then cause
for a new print convention for the series? At the time of the original writing,
I did not catch the slightest highlight on the print.
Miro
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New patterns on torsos are given new identifiers. The dark purple torso in question
is a new pattern from the older ones, so it gets its own number. If LEGO use
this exact pattern on another torso, then it will get numbered beginning with
973pb4514, also. And if LEGO issues yet another take on the logo, it will get
yet another new torso number. It really is that simple.
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Ok, I hope this is evidence proof that this is not a new print, but merely a
printing artifact. See image below.
Miro
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Lastly, this may not even warrant a the "new3" name (973p90new3c11) but quite
rather a "new2" (973p90new2c11) name since this is not likely a new print, but
rather a printing artifact.
Miro
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | peregrinator | | Posted: | Mar 6, 2022 11:42 | | Subject: | Re: Dark Purple Classic Space Torso ID Convention | | Viewed: | 35 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, Miro78 writes:
| | Ok, I hope this is evidence proof that this is not a new print, but merely a
printing artifact. See image below.
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I still see the light golden highlight. And I don't see why there would be
any bleedthrough - at least in the classic logo, the white print goes on first
(this is obvious when the gold fades) and I've never seen another dark-colored
torso with his sort of highlight.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Miro78 | | Posted: | Mar 6, 2022 11:49 | | Subject: | Re: Dark Purple Classic Space Torso ID Convention | | Viewed: | 40 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, peregrinator writes:
| | In Catalog, Miro78 writes:
| | Ok, I hope this is evidence proof that this is not a new print, but merely a
printing artifact. See image below.
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I still see the light golden highlight. And I don't see why there would be
any bleedthrough - at least in the classic logo, the white print goes on first
(this is obvious when the gold fades) and I've never seen another dark-colored
torso with his sort of highlight.
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That could be due to thinner layer of the gold in this minifigure print batch.
Lego quality used to be better in the past, but their production is done in various
places around the world with differing quality at times. My image clearly shows
that it is a print artifact and not an intentional gold highlight. The darker
gold is due to the dark color beneath. I have seen this whenever they tried to
print a lighter color over dark colors in other minifigures. Eventually Lego
corrects it, but they won't do that for this minifigure as the CMF line is
a short production run.
Miro
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | randyf | | Posted: | Mar 6, 2022 21:30 | | Subject: | Re: Dark Purple Classic Space Torso ID Convention | | Viewed: | 40 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, Miro78 writes:
| | In Catalog, peregrinator writes:
| | In Catalog, Miro78 writes:
| | Ok, I hope this is evidence proof that this is not a new print, but merely a
printing artifact. See image below.
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I still see the light golden highlight. And I don't see why there would be
any bleedthrough - at least in the classic logo, the white print goes on first
(this is obvious when the gold fades) and I've never seen another dark-colored
torso with his sort of highlight.
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That could be due to thinner layer of the gold in this minifigure print batch.
Lego quality used to be better in the past, but their production is done in various
places around the world with differing quality at times. My image clearly shows
that it is a print artifact and not an intentional gold highlight. The darker
gold is due to the dark color beneath. I have seen this whenever they tried to
print a lighter color over dark colors in other minifigures. Eventually Lego
corrects it, but they won't do that for this minifigure as the CMF line is
a short production run.
Miro
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Here you go Miro:
http://v4ei.com/brickref/space-logos.php
QED
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | peregrinator | | Posted: | Mar 6, 2022 22:39 | | Subject: | Re: Dark Purple Classic Space Torso ID Convention | | Viewed: | 52 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, Miro78 writes:
| | That could be due to thinner layer of the gold in this minifigure print batch.
Lego quality used to be better in the past, but their production is done in various
places around the world with differing quality at times. My image clearly shows
that it is a print artifact and not an intentional gold highlight. The darker
gold is due to the dark color beneath.
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My apologies, thanks to Randyf's reply I now understand what you were referring
to with the bleed-through. But this only convinces me more that this is a different
print, since previous versions of the Classic Space logo on minifigures had a
white layer underlying the gold layer to prevent this kind of bleed through.
I don't know why they didn't do this here.
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | axaday | | Posted: | Mar 5, 2022 23:50 | | Subject: | Re: Dark Purple Classic Space Torso ID Convention | | Viewed: | 51 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, Miro78 writes:
| | In Catalog, axaday writes:
| | In Catalog, Miro78 writes:
| | The Dark Purple Classic Space torso for the CMF22 series figure 11 (Space Creature)
pictured below contains a classic space torso given a new print ID of 973pb4514c01,
with the emphasis on the print pattern of ID of 973pb4514*, which does not follow
the classic space print torso convention of 973p90* which is used on classic
space torso prints.
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"New" denotes that it is for a reissued minifig, so that you can tell whether
you are listing or buying the vintage or reissue version of a torso. It is possible
that "973p90new" should have had a new number, since its vertical centering made
a pretty obvious difference, but it was for a reissue of an old minifigure.
"973p90new2" was an improved reissue of 973p90. You can tell it apart only from
the ribs inside. It is really 973p90, but delineated so people can keep the
vintage and reissues separate.
973pb4514 is a different case. It was not made for a reissue minifigure and
it is not the same print.
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So the slightest highlight of the print is what is causing BL to assign it a
new print ID? What if Lego continues on with classic spaceman figures like the
orange one and updates the print to include the new highlight? Will it then cause
for a new print convention for the series? At the time of the original writing,
I did not catch the slightest highlight on the print.
Miro
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It ought to have a relationship with the others. If you don't do it soon,
I will try to remember to do it myself.
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | axaday | | Posted: | Mar 5, 2022 23:51 | | Subject: | Re: Dark Purple Classic Space Torso ID Convention | | Viewed: | 47 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, Miro78 writes:
| | In Catalog, axaday writes:
| | In Catalog, Miro78 writes:
| | The Dark Purple Classic Space torso for the CMF22 series figure 11 (Space Creature)
pictured below contains a classic space torso given a new print ID of 973pb4514c01,
with the emphasis on the print pattern of ID of 973pb4514*, which does not follow
the classic space print torso convention of 973p90* which is used on classic
space torso prints.
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"New" denotes that it is for a reissued minifig, so that you can tell whether
you are listing or buying the vintage or reissue version of a torso. It is possible
that "973p90new" should have had a new number, since its vertical centering made
a pretty obvious difference, but it was for a reissue of an old minifigure.
"973p90new2" was an improved reissue of 973p90. You can tell it apart only from
the ribs inside. It is really 973p90, but delineated so people can keep the
vintage and reissues separate.
973pb4514 is a different case. It was not made for a reissue minifigure and
it is not the same print.
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So the slightest highlight of the print is what is causing BL to assign it a
new print ID? What if Lego continues on with classic spaceman figures like the
orange one and updates the print to include the new highlight? Will it then cause
for a new print convention for the series? At the time of the original writing,
I did not catch the slightest highlight on the print.
Miro
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I think people are much more like to search "classic space" than "973p90*"
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