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 Author: Ladyandabrick View Messages Posted By Ladyandabrick
 Posted: Feb 17, 2022 20:41
 Subject: 3492c01 : Item number?
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Hi All

I would like to put a query on this crane bucket set number, it's currently
listed as 3492c01

However I have the same item with a different number: 3489 bucket : handle 3490
as per images attached. All items are Lego trademarked
 






 Author: hpoort View Messages Posted By hpoort
 Posted: Feb 18, 2022 12:01
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In Catalog Requests, Ladyandabrick writes:
  Hi All

I would like to put a query on this crane bucket set number, it's currently
listed as 3492c01

However I have the same item with a different number: 3489 bucket : handle 3490
as per images attached. All items are Lego trademarked

Good point. Originally these parts did not have any markings and information
about part numbers was limited. It is only in more recent years that part numbers
are molded in smaller print and on more parts.
Presumably the number 3492 stems from replacement service info and denotes the
whole crane bucket.
However, both on Bricklink and on LDraw https://www.ldraw.org/cgi-bin/ptscan.cgi?q=3492&scope=header
, the handle has gotten number [p=3492] and the crane bucket assembly has been
named accordingly to [p=3492c01]. The assembly number is still likely to be correct;
the part number of the handle is now shown to be 3490 as per your photo. But
is it worth the change after decades of having listed it under this number? Note
that this number is used throughout all digital software and other sites as well.
 Author: randyf View Messages Posted By randyf
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In Catalog Requests, hpoort writes:
  But
is it worth the change after decades of having listed it under this number? Note
that this number is used throughout all digital software and other sites as well.


If it is just plain wrong, then I would say yes. All of the digital software
and other sites should be updated, too. It isn't difficult.
 Author: taxan View Messages Posted By taxan
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In Catalog Requests, randyf writes:
  In Catalog Requests, hpoort writes:
  But
is it worth the change after decades of having listed it under this number? Note
that this number is used throughout all digital software and other sites as well.


If it is just plain wrong, then I would say yes. All of the digital software
and other sites should be updated, too. It isn't difficult.

The version he have aren't 3492c01.
Check the spring holder and you see that they don't match.
 Author: randyf View Messages Posted By randyf
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In Catalog Requests, taxan writes:
  In Catalog Requests, randyf writes:
  In Catalog Requests, hpoort writes:
  But
is it worth the change after decades of having listed it under this number? Note
that this number is used throughout all digital software and other sites as well.


If it is just plain wrong, then I would say yes. All of the digital software
and other sites should be updated, too. It isn't difficult.

The version he have aren't 3492c01.
Check the spring holder and you see that they don't match.


Can you post some images? Unfortunately, I don't know what you are referring
to.
 Author: taxan View Messages Posted By taxan
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In Catalog Requests, randyf writes:
  In Catalog Requests, taxan writes:
  In Catalog Requests, randyf writes:
  In Catalog Requests, hpoort writes:
  But
is it worth the change after decades of having listed it under this number? Note
that this number is used throughout all digital software and other sites as well.


If it is just plain wrong, then I would say yes. All of the digital software
and other sites should be updated, too. It isn't difficult.

The version he have aren't 3492c01.
Check the spring holder and you see that they don't match.


Can you post some images? Unfortunately, I don't know what you are referring
to.

Its the part that hold the spring.
His part have a cut out for it's like LEGO added some extra plastic around
it to protect it. I suppose this is a late version that aren't in the catalog
yet.
 
 Author: Stellar View Messages Posted By Stellar
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In Catalog Requests, randyf writes:
  In Catalog Requests, taxan writes:
  In Catalog Requests, randyf writes:
  In Catalog Requests, hpoort writes:
  But
is it worth the change after decades of having listed it under this number? Note
that this number is used throughout all digital software and other sites as well.


If it is just plain wrong, then I would say yes. All of the digital software
and other sites should be updated, too. It isn't difficult.

The version he have aren't 3492c01.
Check the spring holder and you see that they don't match.


Can you post some images? Unfortunately, I don't know what you are referring
to.

I think this is what he means:
 


 Author: taxan View Messages Posted By taxan
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In Catalog Requests, Stellar writes:
  In Catalog Requests, randyf writes:
  In Catalog Requests, taxan writes:
  In Catalog Requests, randyf writes:
  In Catalog Requests, hpoort writes:
  But
is it worth the change after decades of having listed it under this number? Note
that this number is used throughout all digital software and other sites as well.


If it is just plain wrong, then I would say yes. All of the digital software
and other sites should be updated, too. It isn't difficult.

The version he have aren't 3492c01.
Check the spring holder and you see that they don't match.


Can you post some images? Unfortunately, I don't know what you are referring
to.

I think this is what he means:

Correct
If Ladyandabrick can check if there are a year molded on any of his part we have
a reference when they started to use it.
 Author: randyf View Messages Posted By randyf
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In Catalog Requests, taxan writes:
  In Catalog Requests, Stellar writes:
  In Catalog Requests, randyf writes:
  In Catalog Requests, taxan writes:
  In Catalog Requests, randyf writes:
  In Catalog Requests, hpoort writes:
  But
is it worth the change after decades of having listed it under this number? Note
that this number is used throughout all digital software and other sites as well.


If it is just plain wrong, then I would say yes. All of the digital software
and other sites should be updated, too. It isn't difficult.

The version he have aren't 3492c01.
Check the spring holder and you see that they don't match.


Can you post some images? Unfortunately, I don't know what you are referring
to.

I think this is what he means:

Correct
If Ladyandabrick can check if there are a year molded on any of his part we have
a reference when they started to use it.


Thanks! I guess there is more than one version then. But I would expect the part
numbers to still be the same.
 Author: SylvainLS View Messages Posted By SylvainLS
 Posted: Feb 18, 2022 15:23
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In Catalog Requests, randyf writes:
  […]
Thanks! I guess there is more than one version then. But I would expect the part
numbers to still be the same.

Especially with numbers so close, no?
 Author: peregrinator View Messages Posted By peregrinator
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In Catalog Requests, SylvainLS writes:
  In Catalog Requests, randyf writes:
  […]
Thanks! I guess there is more than one version then. But I would expect the part
numbers to still be the same.

Especially with numbers so close, no?

Especially the number of the handle
 Author: SylvainLS View Messages Posted By SylvainLS
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In Catalog Requests, peregrinator writes:
  In Catalog Requests, SylvainLS writes:
  In Catalog Requests, randyf writes:
  […]
Thanks! I guess there is more than one version then. But I would expect the part
numbers to still be the same.

Especially with numbers so close, no?

Especially the number of the handle

I meant if parts 3492 & 3493 had new mould numbers (20 or 30 years later), it
wouldn’t be 3489 & 3490.

I would side with hpoort: 3492 is the whole assembly (or even the replacement
“set” for the whole assembly), and 3493 was made up.
So
3489 = bucket,
3490 = handle,
3491 =? spring or assembly,
3492 = assembly or replacement bag.


(And that thread was very useful to me: I realized I only accounted for one 3492c01
in my old parts while I’ve two… maybe because one is missing its spring.  I’m
richer by €0.15!)
 Author: SylvainLS View Messages Posted By SylvainLS
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In Catalog Requests, SylvainLS writes:
  In Catalog Requests, peregrinator writes:
  In Catalog Requests, SylvainLS writes:
  In Catalog Requests, randyf writes:
  […]
Thanks! I guess there is more than one version then. But I would expect the part
numbers to still be the same.

Especially with numbers so close, no?

Especially the number of the handle

I meant if parts 3492 & 3493 had new mould numbers (20 or 30 years later), it
wouldn’t be 3489 & 3490.

I would side with hpoort: 3492 is the whole assembly (or even the replacement
“set” for the whole assembly), and 3493 was made up.
So
3489 = bucket,
3490 = handle,
3491 =? spring or assembly,
3492 = assembly or replacement bag.

Belated confirmation: the parts are 3489 & 3490 in LDD.
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In Catalog Requests, SylvainLS writes:
  In Catalog Requests, SylvainLS writes:
  In Catalog Requests, peregrinator writes:
  In Catalog Requests, SylvainLS writes:
  In Catalog Requests, randyf writes:
  […]
Thanks! I guess there is more than one version then. But I would expect the part
numbers to still be the same.

Especially with numbers so close, no?

Especially the number of the handle

I meant if parts 3492 & 3493 had new mould numbers (20 or 30 years later), it
wouldn’t be 3489 & 3490.

I would side with hpoort: 3492 is the whole assembly (or even the replacement
“set” for the whole assembly), and 3493 was made up.
So
3489 = bucket,
3490 = handle,
3491 =? spring or assembly,
3492 = assembly or replacement bag.

Belated confirmation: the parts are 3489 & 3490 in LDD.


And the latest Design Number for the entire assembly is 75172.

So it looks like 3489 (the bucket) had a mold update, but it was not given a
new Design Number. The spring probably changed, also, so the more modern assembly
was most likely given a new Design Number to account for the changes. I say "most
likely" because I am not sure.

Since the handle was given part number 3492 in all of the old references, I am
not sure either if the more vintage assembly was actually Design Number 3492
as you question. I feel like it could have been, but I can't prove any of
this. 3491 already has a part in the catalog, so I don't think that number
was used for part of this assembly.

In any case, the parts were renumbered in the BrickLink catalog to align with
official LEGO sources (LDD and numbers molded into modern parts). So

- 3492 was renumbered 3490
- 3493 was renumbered 3489
- 3492c01 was renumbered 3489c01 with alternate item number 3490c01

 
Part No: 3490  Name: Crane Bucket Handle
* 
3490 Crane Bucket Handle
Parts: Crane
 
Part No: 3489  Name: Crane Bucket Jaw
* 
3489 Crane Bucket Jaw
Parts: Crane
 
Part No: 3489c01  Name: Crane Bucket with Spring and Yellow Handle (3489 / bb0217 / 3490)
* 
3489c01 (Inv) Crane Bucket with Spring and Yellow Handle (3489 / bb0217 / 3490)
Parts: Crane

Cheers,
Randy
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In Catalog Requests, Ladyandabrick writes:
  Hi All

I would like to put a query on this crane bucket set number, it's currently
listed as 3492c01

However I have the same item with a different number: 3489 bucket : handle 3490
as per images attached. All items are Lego trademarked.

Unfortunately the part does not have a year date, however I have entered some
indifferent items one being 87079pb0051: see image: Year is probably 2011