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| In Catalog, IceWorm writes:
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| | | | | | | Author: | IceWorm | | Posted: | Feb 15, 2022 12:52 | | Subject: | Re: Dual moulded legs | | Viewed: | 38 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| | Is that trick just the part number in square brackets? Thats really useful. |
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | jennnifer | | Posted: | Feb 15, 2022 13:07 | | Subject: | Re: Dual moulded legs | | Viewed: | 35 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, IceWorm writes:
| | Is that trick just the part number in square brackets? Thats really useful.
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You can use the 'Add macro' button on any forum post page or just type
in what you want in this formula:
square bracket * item type * = * item number * close square bracket
or
square bracket * item type * = * item number * , * color number * close square
bracket
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | SylvainLS | | Posted: | Feb 15, 2022 13:10 | | Subject: | Re: Dual moulded legs | | Viewed: | 37 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, IceWorm writes:
| | Is that trick just the part number in square brackets? Thats really useful.
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Yes, it’s a “macro.”
And you can use the “Add macro” button next to B I U to
have help adding one.
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| | | | | Author: | Stellar | | Posted: | Feb 15, 2022 13:00 | | Subject: | Re: Dual moulded legs | | Viewed: | 26 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, IceWorm writes:
They do seem to be the same, probably they will merge them once they get to your
request here:
https://www.bricklink.com/messageThread.asp?ID=317166
Dual molding is considered a type of pattern on BrickLink so that is why they
are under the decorated category.
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| | | | | Author: | jennnifer | | Posted: | Feb 15, 2022 13:09 | | Subject: | Re: Dual moulded legs | | Viewed: | 31 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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This may even have been whats added to the duplicates and confusion between whether
somethings printed or dual moulded. E.G:
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I think that duplicate pattern entries happen without being caused by dual molding
confusion. There are lots and lots and lots of decorated parts in this catalog
and it's easy to miss one when you are checking before adding a new part.
If you even know to check before adding a new part. 
Jen
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| | | | | Author: | jennnifer | | Posted: | Feb 15, 2022 13:24 | | Subject: | Re: Dual moulded legs | | Viewed: | 40 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, IceWorm writes:
| | Should dual moulded legs not be in the regular "minifigure legs" section rather
than the "decorated" section?
As it stands they're super obscure to search for in decorated as "boots"
is basically the only key word that is a good distinction. Just feel like they'd
make more sense and be more useful to track and find in the "minifigure legs"
section as to my knowledge, other dual moulded parts aren't typically considered
"decorated".
This may even have been whats added to the duplicates and confusion between whether
somethings printed or dual moulded. E.G:
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I first encountered this here:
when LEGO recreated a decorated part with a dual molded part. Have a peek at
the additional images to get an idea of this issue. Dual molding was new and
unknown and the admins at the time decided not to split the entries.
To make things more confusing, the painted version appears darker than the plastic
version, so this part has been misnamed Dark Tan from the beginning. I believe
they only come in Tan. 
Jen
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| | | | | | | Author: | IceWorm | | Posted: | Feb 15, 2022 19:25 | | Subject: | Re: Dual moulded legs | | Viewed: | 40 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| Wow, this is even deeper than I thought. Thanks to everyone who's responded
so far.
If anything, all this has solidified my stance, dual moulding is very different
to a print. These things should be separate, how can you have a pot luck at either
a print or dual mould, that seems a tad unfair to buyers.
Also, moulds aren't really a pattern like prints are, they're part of
the way the piece was initially constructed.
If they go in decorated, thats the admins choice, but there needs to be better
classification like using "dual mould" or something.
Here's a point, what about lego parts that have multiple different pieces
that create them like projectile launchers, are they "patterns" now because the
part is made of a few different components all glued together?
Hips and legs can also be separate colours, but you're not supposed to catalogue
printed legs anymore because you're not supposed to sell them separately.
I know this from first hand experience of trying to list a Chima leg.
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | jennnifer | | Posted: | Feb 16, 2022 00:31 | | Subject: | Re: Dual moulded legs | | Viewed: | 36 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, IceWorm writes:
| | Wow, this is even deeper than I thought. Thanks to everyone who's responded
so far.
If anything, all this has solidified my stance, dual moulding is very different
to a print. These things should be separate, how can you have a pot luck at either
a print or dual mould, that seems a tad unfair to buyers.
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It's very uncommon. Like I pointed out before, many catalog decisions are
made without the benefit of hindsight. And going back and changing and updating
entries is a lot of work and can cause other problems. I wouldn't mind distinguishing
dual molds at some point... possibly with a tag. I personally have no problem
with using the keyword 'boots' on the dual molded legs as I already know
it.
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Also, moulds aren't really a pattern like prints are, they're part of
the way the piece was initially constructed.
If they go in decorated, thats the admins choice, but there needs to be better
classification like using "dual mould" or something.
Here's a point, what about lego parts that have multiple different pieces
that create them like projectile launchers, are they "patterns" now because the
part is made of a few different components all glued together?
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Those are called assemblies. They usually have a 'c' in their part number
to indicate that they are combination of separate parts glued or otherwise. 'pb'
is what we use to indicate a pattern.
Here is some more info:
https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=168
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Hips and legs can also be separate colours, but you're not supposed to catalogue
printed legs anymore because you're not supposed to sell them separately.
I know this from first hand experience of trying to list a Chima leg.
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That's because the joints in leg assemblies take permanent damage when they
are seperated. Listing hips and legs is essentially selling broken parts. They
could still be useful and collectable I guess, but I wouldn't want to add
every separate leg to our catalog. Ugh.
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | IceWorm | | Posted: | Feb 16, 2022 06:36 | | Subject: | Re: Dual moulded legs | | Viewed: | 36 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| I really do understand where you're coming from and I'm sure these discussions
seem very trivial and a nuisance, but I care a lot about this and I believe its
a legitimate concern others are also resonating with.
I love the discussions around how we catalogue items, but I also need people
to be honest and answer the questions I ask:
'Do you believe dual moulded pieces are a decoration like a printed pattern
or a part in their own right like the hips and legs assembly or projectiles?'
Regarding the not selling legs separate, thats exactly my point. They're
two different colours you aren't supposed to separate due to the piece being
damaged and ultimately, unusable. They have no print so they aren't decorated.
It's the same with projectiles. It's a shame because I believe dual moulds
should've been listed this way from the start.
I totally agree that changes can bring issues, I can see people getting annoyed
at moving parts around. Since I've been on this site, that's happened
loads already, this would just be another case. I remember before minidolls when
you had to search "plain" in the legs section to find what is now in its own
category, but that was a great way to separate decorated and not for its time,
boots are too broad of a term, I still get a 2 page result on a 200 part per
page search system, theres only 44 versions of "plain" legs that exist haha.
Thats why I find it important to look at both sides and weigh up which is more
beneficial to the cataloguing system at large. I see the cases for and against,
I just want an actual discussion, not to feel like I'm being talked down
to as if I don't understand the way bricklink works. I find that seems to
be a common response when things are questioned. But I really do appreciate the
conversation overall and its nice to have a back and forth.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | jennnifer | | Posted: | Feb 16, 2022 09:46 | | Subject: | Re: Dual moulded legs | | Viewed: | 34 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| Perhaps I am not communicating clearly, but I am not annoyed or talking down
to you in any way. I have my own opinion about the suggestion to change the dual
molded items, and it is basically that I am fine either way.
I was simply adding information to the conversation about how things have ended
up the way there are. I have a fair bit of historical information about this
catalog. Sorry that my voicing it seemed like disagreeing with you, I wasn't.
Jen
In Catalog, IceWorm writes:
| | I really do understand where you're coming from and I'm sure these discussions
seem very trivial and a nuisance, but I care a lot about this and I believe its
a legitimate concern others are also resonating with.
I love the discussions around how we catalogue items, but I also need people
to be honest and answer the questions I ask:
'Do you believe dual moulded pieces are a decoration like a printed pattern
or a part in their own right like the hips and legs assembly or projectiles?'
Regarding the not selling legs separate, thats exactly my point. They're
two different colours you aren't supposed to separate due to the piece being
damaged and ultimately, unusable. They have no print so they aren't decorated.
It's the same with projectiles. It's a shame because I believe dual moulds
should've been listed this way from the start.
I totally agree that changes can bring issues, I can see people getting annoyed
at moving parts around. Since I've been on this site, that's happened
loads already, this would just be another case. I remember before minidolls when
you had to search "plain" in the legs section to find what is now in its own
category, but that was a great way to separate decorated and not for its time,
boots are too broad of a term, I still get a 2 page result on a 200 part per
page search system, theres only 44 versions of "plain" legs that exist haha.
Thats why I find it important to look at both sides and weigh up which is more
beneficial to the cataloguing system at large. I see the cases for and against,
I just want an actual discussion, not to feel like I'm being talked down
to as if I don't understand the way bricklink works. I find that seems to
be a common response when things are questioned. But I really do appreciate the
conversation overall and its nice to have a back and forth.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | IceWorm | | Posted: | Feb 16, 2022 14:48 | | Subject: | Re: Dual moulded legs | | Viewed: | 23 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| I'm glad you clarified. I just like to check that points brought up are never
causing an issue for someone. We all have different opinions and that's fantastic,
I just want to make sure it's never a bother.
You've been great with adding so much to this conversation and I do love
the constant cross referencing and opposing takes are important.
There's no need to apologies, you didn't mean anything by it and I'm
glad I got that clarification. I think it's just a case of text tone-deaf
haha. When I see things like
"I personally have no problem with using the keyword 'boots' on the dual
molded legs as I already know it. "
I have issues with reading too much into something like that and taking a more
sarcastic tone from it. But again, it's hard to tell and I can now read it
as simply you just stating how you interact with the system.
Regardless, it's all good and I wouldn't want to think anyone had a bad
take away from this thread.
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | axaday | | Posted: | Feb 16, 2022 07:59 | | Subject: | Re: Dual moulded legs | | Viewed: | 29 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, jennnifer writes:
| | I wouldn't mind distinguishing
dual molds at some point... possibly with a tag. I personally have no problem
with using the keyword 'boots' on the dual molded legs as I already know
it.
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The split could still be done with a good help that has continued to trace. Dual
molded legs weigh more.
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | yorbrick | | Posted: | Feb 16, 2022 03:59 | | Subject: | Re: Dual moulded legs | | Viewed: | 32 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, IceWorm writes:
| | Wow, this is even deeper than I thought. Thanks to everyone who's responded
so far.
If anything, all this has solidified my stance, dual moulding is very different
to a print. These things should be separate, how can you have a pot luck at either
a print or dual mould, that seems a tad unfair to buyers.
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I agree, separating them would be very useful. You can ask sellers before placing
an order to check what they are selling and hope they respond. I've done
that in the past. I prefer the dual molded ones, as they look good from the back
too, whereas printed ones look ridiculous unless you cover up the back with a
cape.
Alternatively, buy them on ebay where decent sellers show photos of fronts and
backs.
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | IceWorm | | Posted: | Feb 16, 2022 06:40 | | Subject: | Re: Dual moulded legs | | Viewed: | 33 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| Yeah, it would at least be nice for sellers to distinguish which they have, but
I also wonder if they don't even know theres a difference when listing them.
If you've only seen one, why would you check to see if theres the other version.
I've never thought to buy from ebay, most of the time its all just 10p parts
being sold for £2 lol, is there a better market on there now?
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | infinibrix | | Posted: | Feb 16, 2022 13:07 | | Subject: | Re: Dual moulded legs | | Viewed: | 32 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, IceWorm writes:
| | Yeah, it would at least be nice for sellers to distinguish which they have, but
I also wonder if they don't even know theres a difference when listing them.
If you've only seen one, why would you check to see if theres the other version.
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I think this is the main issue with going down the technical route of trying
to distinguish parts by the manufacturing process as many will not know whether
something is Dual Molded or printed on and if the system is setup for sellers
to need to specify details like this then mistakes will occur and buyers will
be left disappointed particularly if they rely too heavily on the seller having
equal knowledge to themselves?
I think details like this are best left in the notes as an optional thing for
sellers to include and buyers would otherwise need to ask and check if its important
to them. I also believe the same situation should be the case for many minor
variants too!
Either way I do not believe they should be listed as decorated and if not given
their own category they would be better suited alongside the Plain Monochrome
legs but with a description of Plain Two-Tone Legs instead just as I've suggested
before as I believe a visual description would be more widely understood compared
to a technical description besides at the moment we're already relying on
a visual description and yet that visual description of "boots" makes no sense
at all?
What boots? I only see two plain colours or to put it simply Two-Tones of colour!
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Either way I do not believe they should be listed as decorated and if not given
their own category they would be better suited alongside the Plain Monochrome
legs but with a description of Plain Two-Tone Legs instead just as I've suggested
before as I believe a visual description would be more widely understood compared
to a technical description besides at the moment we're already relying on
a visual description and yet that visual description of "boots" makes no sense
at all?
What boots? I only see two plain colours or to put it simply Two-Tones of colour!
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When these legs first appeared, they are were frequently used, both decorated
and plain, in minifigs that were understood to be wearing boots. After a while,
'Boots' came to be used as a keyword to aid in searching and identification.
Jen
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| In Catalog, jennnifer writes:
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Either way I do not believe they should be listed as decorated and if not given
their own category they would be better suited alongside the Plain Monochrome
legs but with a description of Plain Two-Tone Legs instead just as I've suggested
before as I believe a visual description would be more widely understood compared
to a technical description besides at the moment we're already relying on
a visual description and yet that visual description of "boots" makes no sense
at all?
What boots? I only see two plain colours or to put it simply Two-Tones of colour!
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When these legs first appeared, they are were frequently used, both decorated
and plain, in minifigs that were understood to be wearing boots. After a while,
'Boots' came to be used as a keyword to aid in searching and identification.
Jen
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But in those example legs there is a much clearer definition of what is going
on with the design because you can clearly see the lycra pants, yellow thighs
and the bottom part intended to be boots whereas with those other ones its less
definitive and even where they are intended as boots that is certainly not always
the case:-
https://www.bricklink.com/catalogItemIn.asp?P=970c00pb0575&in=M
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | jennnifer | | Posted: | Feb 16, 2022 15:33 | | Subject: | Re: Dual moulded legs | | Viewed: | 27 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, infinibrix writes:
| | In Catalog, jennnifer writes:
| | In Catalog, infinibrix writes:
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Either way I do not believe they should be listed as decorated and if not given
their own category they would be better suited alongside the Plain Monochrome
legs but with a description of Plain Two-Tone Legs instead just as I've suggested
before as I believe a visual description would be more widely understood compared
to a technical description besides at the moment we're already relying on
a visual description and yet that visual description of "boots" makes no sense
at all?
What boots? I only see two plain colours or to put it simply Two-Tones of colour!
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When these legs first appeared, they are were frequently used, both decorated
and plain, in minifigs that were understood to be wearing boots. After a while,
'Boots' came to be used as a keyword to aid in searching and identification.
Jen
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But in those example legs there is a much clearer definition of what is going
on with the design because you can clearly see the lycra pants, yellow thighs
and the bottom part intended to be boots whereas with those other ones its less
definitive and even where they are intended as boots that is certainly not always
the case:-
https://www.bricklink.com/catalogItemIn.asp?P=970c00pb0575&in=M
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I was trying to explain in my answer why the term Boots was and is used frequently
to describe these parts. I don't think they all represent boots of course.
It's a keyword. Something that we use in catalog descriptions often to represent
similar characteristics.
Jen
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | SylvainLS | | Posted: | Feb 16, 2022 15:50 | | Subject: | Re: Dual moulded legs | | Viewed: | 34 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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I was trying to explain in my answer why the term Boots was and is used frequently
to describe these parts. I don't think they all represent boots of course.
It's a keyword. Something that we use in catalog descriptions often to represent
similar characteristics.
Jen
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If I’m not mistaken, such colour patterns are called boots (or socks) on an animal
(cat, horse…), no?
And they are not boots-the-shoes (well, except the guys below).
So why not for minifigs? 
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| In Catalog, SylvainLS writes:
| | In Catalog, jennnifer writes:
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I was trying to explain in my answer why the term Boots was and is used frequently
to describe these parts. I don't think they all represent boots of course.
It's a keyword. Something that we use in catalog descriptions often to represent
similar characteristics.
Jen
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If I’m not mistaken, such colour patterns are called boots (or socks) on an animal
(cat, horse…), no?
And they are not boots-the-shoes (well, except the guys below).
So why not for minifigs?
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Yes, please! This image has cheered me up immensely.
Jen
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| In Catalog, SylvainLS writes:
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | infinibrix | | Posted: | Feb 16, 2022 19:59 | | Subject: | Re: Dual moulded legs | | Viewed: | 33 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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Either way I do not believe they should be listed as decorated and if not given
their own category they would be better suited alongside the Plain Monochrome
legs but with a description of Plain Two-Tone Legs instead just as I've suggested
before as I believe a visual description would be more widely understood compared
to a technical description besides at the moment we're already relying on
a visual description and yet that visual description of "boots" makes no sense
at all?
What boots? I only see two plain colours or to put it simply Two-Tones of colour!
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When these legs first appeared, they are were frequently used, both decorated
and plain, in minifigs that were understood to be wearing boots. After a while,
'Boots' came to be used as a keyword to aid in searching and identification.
Jen
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But in those example legs there is a much clearer definition of what is going
on with the design because you can clearly see the lycra pants, yellow thighs
and the bottom part intended to be boots whereas with those other ones its less
definitive and even where they are intended as boots that is certainly not always
the case:-
https://www.bricklink.com/catalogItemIn.asp?P=970c00pb0575&in=M
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I was trying to explain in my answer why the term Boots was and is used frequently
to describe these parts. I don't think they all represent boots of course.
It's a keyword. Something that we use in catalog descriptions often to represent
similar characteristics.
Jen
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Yes and with few characteristics to describe and define those particular Legs
I'm sure at the time the keyword boots was the best someone could come up
with but does that mean it should remain described that way indefinitely? Much
of the catalog is described by what you see! If you see a gunbelt its included
in the description but if someone stumbles across those legs is someone really
going to associate that lower strip of plain colour as boots? Besides just because
something has always been named a certain way I don't think we should remain
so dismissive over using a new and more relevant descriptive term?
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | jennnifer | | Posted: | Feb 16, 2022 21:39 | | Subject: | Re: Dual moulded legs | | Viewed: | 36 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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Either way I do not believe they should be listed as decorated and if not given
their own category they would be better suited alongside the Plain Monochrome
legs but with a description of Plain Two-Tone Legs instead just as I've suggested
before as I believe a visual description would be more widely understood compared
to a technical description besides at the moment we're already relying on
a visual description and yet that visual description of "boots" makes no sense
at all?
What boots? I only see two plain colours or to put it simply Two-Tones of colour!
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When these legs first appeared, they are were frequently used, both decorated
and plain, in minifigs that were understood to be wearing boots. After a while,
'Boots' came to be used as a keyword to aid in searching and identification.
Jen
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But in those example legs there is a much clearer definition of what is going
on with the design because you can clearly see the lycra pants, yellow thighs
and the bottom part intended to be boots whereas with those other ones its less
definitive and even where they are intended as boots that is certainly not always
the case:-
https://www.bricklink.com/catalogItemIn.asp?P=970c00pb0575&in=M
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I was trying to explain in my answer why the term Boots was and is used frequently
to describe these parts. I don't think they all represent boots of course.
It's a keyword. Something that we use in catalog descriptions often to represent
similar characteristics.
Jen
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Yes and with few characteristics to describe and define those particular Legs
I'm sure at the time the keyword boots was the best someone could come up
with but does that mean it should remain described that way indefinitely? Much
of the catalog is described by what you see! If you see a gunbelt its included
in the description but if someone stumbles across those legs is someone really
going to associate that lower strip of plain colour as boots? Besides just because
something has always been named a certain way I don't think we should remain
so dismissive over using a new and more relevant descriptive term?
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I never ever said it shouldn't be updated. I am not defending how things
have been done. I have only been explaining over and over how things got here
to this point so everyone could have some perspective. Geesh. I am out.
Jen
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | infinibrix | | Posted: | Feb 16, 2022 22:46 | | Subject: | Re: Dual moulded legs | | Viewed: | 43 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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I never ever said it shouldn't be updated. I am not defending how things
have been done. I have only been explaining over and over how things got here
to this point so everyone could have some perspective. Geesh. I am out.
Jen
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and yet you did:-
https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1256753
My suggested change was originally implemented but you then planted the seed
of doubt back into the catalg admins head when you got the wrong end of the stick
and began to suggest it be changed back again on the basis that Two-Tone doesn't
reflect on the manufacturing process and yet that was never the intention as
it was only intended as a simple visual description for the part rather than
a technical description which for some reason you felt more important/necessary?
and so we are now left back with the same current visual description that makes
even less sense as I do not visually see boots? I just see two tones of plain
colour merged together regardless of whether they are sometimes intended to represent
boots or not!
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | IceWorm | | Posted: | Feb 17, 2022 04:27 | | Subject: | Re: Dual moulded legs | | Viewed: | 25 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| What on earth. I'm getting so confused by the motives at play here this is
like an actual plot twist story line haha.
I at lease think using the term "plain boots" would be a great help as a short
term fix.
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| | What on earth. I'm getting so confused by the motives at play here this is
like an actual plot twist story line haha.
I at lease think using the term "plain boots" would be a great help as a short
term fix.
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Certainly no motives at play from my perspective I've only tried to convey
what I honestly believe to be some logical reasoning....
"Plain Boots" would certainly be an improvement but you also have to consider
that the word boots already brings up a lot of other matches and I consider their
to be enough legs of this type to benefit from having their own unique search
criteria within the catalog as well as a useful way of bringing them all up in
the one place. Sometimes using unique and memorable wording (Two-Tone) is more
effective and reliable compared with relying on using the correct combination
of common/lesser words besides I guess you could assume that a pair of plain
black legs are potentially intended to represent a combination of Black trousers
and shoes or overalls and boots or even part of a diving suit but without any
definitive print decal evidence to suggest what a plain area of colour is meant
to represent I think we should withhold the use of potentially watering down
an existing keyword such as boots and use it for when it truly is relevant to
the part but I accept that the combination of the words "plain boots" would at
least allow people to bring them all up in the one location rather than hidden
in amongst all the other print decal boots etc...
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| I see, yeah it should be something very concrete. Also thought about the term
Unprinted earlier as a viable solution.
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| | | | | Author: | randyf | | Posted: | Feb 16, 2022 12:16 | | Subject: | Re: Dual moulded legs | | Viewed: | 33 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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Hi there!
I just want to throw in my thoughts as one of the Catalog Associates/Admins here.
This is something that we on the catalog side would love to eventually get to.
It is on our Catalog Roadmap, and we also believe something needs to happen.
What exactly that is has not been decided, because we have very little time to
work on big reorganization projects like this. LEGO releases so much stuff these
days, we have a tough time just keeping up.
All I can say for sure is that we agree something needs to be done. Unfortunately,
things like this are not easily solved after the catalog gets built around decisions
from the past that get baked into the way things are done. This will require
a lot of planning and a lot of catalog/inventory fixes. I wish I could just snap
my fingers and have it all be done, but things don't work like that.
All of this is to say that we hear you, and we understand your frustrations.
We will have to ask for your patience as we hopefully can work toward a goal
in the future.
Cheers,
Randy
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| | | | | | | Author: | IceWorm | | Posted: | Feb 16, 2022 14:55 | | Subject: | Re: Dual moulded legs | | Viewed: | 27 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| Thanks for the response, Randy!
I can only imagine how much time Admins have to take to list and sort new items
and on top of that you obviously also have other plans that take priority. Nethertheless,
it's great to hear this kind of support. Thank you for hearing the thoughts
aired in this thread.
I'm sure a 100% happy solution is far from likely and the solution you take
will be the one that benefits the community as a whole.
Thanks to everyone as well for bringing your thoughts on this matter to light,
both for and against along side the many different issues and solutions you've
raised.
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