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| | | Author: | SezaR  | | Posted: | Feb 5, 2022 16:29 | | Subject: | Inventory Change Request for Set 127-1 | | Viewed: | 26 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests (Entry) | | Status: | Open | |
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| Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Delete 5 Part 737 Red Plate, Modified 2 x 4 with Train Coupler Closed for Hook (match ID 3)
* Delete 5 Part 737bc01 Red Plate, Modified 2 x 4 with Train Coupler Open with Hook (match ID 4)
* Delete 1 Part 996ac15blue White Electric, Wire 12V / 4.5V with 2 Leads, 14 Studs Long with 4 Blue Electric, Connector, 1-Way Male Rounded with Hollow Pin (x466c14 / 996ac01) (match ID 1)
* Delete 4 Part wheel2ac02 Red Train Wheel Spoked for Motor with Light Gray Train Rim for 4.5V & 12V Locomotive Wheels (wheel2a / trainrim) (match ID 2)
* Change {5 to 4} Part Black 3022 Plate 2 x 2
* Change {3 to 5} Part Black 3021 Plate 2 x 3
* Change {9 to 8} Part Black 3020 Plate 2 x 4
* Change 5 Part Red 737ac02 Plate, Modified 2 x 4 with Train Coupler Open for Magnet with Blue Magnet Coupling, Train - 7mm Cylinder (737a / x547b) {Alternate to Regular} {match ID 4 to 0}
* Change 5 Part Red 737ac01 Plate, Modified 2 x 4 with Train Coupler Open for Magnet with Same Color Magnet Coupling, Train - 7mm Cylinder (737a / x547b) {Alternate to Regular} {match ID 3 to 0}
* Change 4 Part Red wheel2ac01 Train Wheel Spoked for Motor with Black Train Rim for 4.5V & 12V Locomotive Wheels (wheel2a / trainrim) {Alternate to Regular} {match ID 2 to 0}
* Change 1 Part White x466c15blue Electric, Wire 12V / 4.5V with two Blue 2-prong connectors, 15 Studs Long {Alternate to Regular} {match ID 1 to 0}
* Change 2 Part Red {39 Window 1 x 1 x 1 to 39bc01 Window 1 x 1 x 1 with Extended Lip, with fixed Glass}
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| | | | | Author: | SezaR | | Posted: | Feb 5, 2022 16:38 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 127-1 | | Viewed: | 29 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
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| In Inventories Requests, SezaR writes:
| | Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Delete 5 Part 737 Red Plate, Modified 2 x 4 with Train Coupler Closed for Hook (match ID 3)
* Delete 5 Part 737bc01 Red Plate, Modified 2 x 4 with Train Coupler Open with Hook (match ID 4)
* Delete 1 Part 996ac15blue White Electric, Wire 12V / 4.5V with 2 Leads, 14 Studs Long with 4 Blue Electric, Connector, 1-Way Male Rounded with Hollow Pin (x466c14 / 996ac01) (match ID 1)
* Delete 4 Part wheel2ac02 Red Train Wheel Spoked for Motor with Light Gray Train Rim for 4.5V & 12V Locomotive Wheels (wheel2a / trainrim) (match ID 2)
* Change {5 to 4} Part Black 3022 Plate 2 x 2
* Change {3 to 5} Part Black 3021 Plate 2 x 3
* Change {9 to 8} Part Black 3020 Plate 2 x 4
* Change 5 Part Red 737ac02 Plate, Modified 2 x 4 with Train Coupler Open for Magnet with Blue Magnet Coupling, Train - 7mm Cylinder (737a / x547b) {Alternate to Regular} {match ID 4 to 0}
* Change 5 Part Red 737ac01 Plate, Modified 2 x 4 with Train Coupler Open for Magnet with Same Color Magnet Coupling, Train - 7mm Cylinder (737a / x547b) {Alternate to Regular} {match ID 3 to 0}
* Change 4 Part Red wheel2ac01 Train Wheel Spoked for Motor with Black Train Rim for 4.5V & 12V Locomotive Wheels (wheel2a / trainrim) {Alternate to Regular} {match ID 2 to 0}
* Change 1 Part White x466c15blue Electric, Wire 12V / 4.5V with two Blue 2-prong connectors, 15 Studs Long {Alternate to Regular} {match ID 1 to 0}
* Change 2 Part Red {39 Window 1 x 1 x 1 to 39bc01 Window 1 x 1 x 1 with Extended Lip, with fixed Glass}
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As far as I could check in catalogs, this train was only sold in 127. It is the
same as the second version of 116 but TLG decided to change its ID number since
1969 for the market of UK, however they kept the ID number 116 for other countries
after 1969 too.
* I counted following bircks:
5 step 4
3 step 6
2 step 7
3 step 7
1 step 7
3 step 3
2 step 6
6 step 7
2 step 8
The instructions is the same as the later version of instructions for train
The only difference is that one extra black 1x1 plate is used (on top of the
black motor).
* The windows
with extended lips and fixed glass were used up to sometime around 1972.
* The black trainrims were used since 1969.
* The later version of decouplers with magnets were used since 1969, so
and
should be removed. This is as the box art and Lego catalogs.
* The connectors of
were discontinued in 1968 and TLG replaced them with connectors of
and the battery boxes were also changed accordingly.
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| | | | | | | Author: | TakeAbricK | | Posted: | Feb 6, 2022 02:15 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 127-1 | | Viewed: | 30 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
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| In Inventories Requests, SezaR writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, SezaR writes:
| | Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Delete 5 Part 737 Red Plate, Modified 2 x 4 with Train Coupler Closed for Hook (match ID 3)
* Delete 5 Part 737bc01 Red Plate, Modified 2 x 4 with Train Coupler Open with Hook (match ID 4)
* Delete 1 Part 996ac15blue White Electric, Wire 12V / 4.5V with 2 Leads, 14 Studs Long with 4 Blue Electric, Connector, 1-Way Male Rounded with Hollow Pin (x466c14 / 996ac01) (match ID 1)
* Delete 4 Part wheel2ac02 Red Train Wheel Spoked for Motor with Light Gray Train Rim for 4.5V & 12V Locomotive Wheels (wheel2a / trainrim) (match ID 2)
* Change {5 to 4} Part Black 3022 Plate 2 x 2
* Change {3 to 5} Part Black 3021 Plate 2 x 3
* Change {9 to 8} Part Black 3020 Plate 2 x 4
* Change 5 Part Red 737ac02 Plate, Modified 2 x 4 with Train Coupler Open for Magnet with Blue Magnet Coupling, Train - 7mm Cylinder (737a / x547b) {Alternate to Regular} {match ID 4 to 0}
* Change 5 Part Red 737ac01 Plate, Modified 2 x 4 with Train Coupler Open for Magnet with Same Color Magnet Coupling, Train - 7mm Cylinder (737a / x547b) {Alternate to Regular} {match ID 3 to 0}
* Change 4 Part Red wheel2ac01 Train Wheel Spoked for Motor with Black Train Rim for 4.5V & 12V Locomotive Wheels (wheel2a / trainrim) {Alternate to Regular} {match ID 2 to 0}
* Change 1 Part White x466c15blue Electric, Wire 12V / 4.5V with two Blue 2-prong connectors, 15 Studs Long {Alternate to Regular} {match ID 1 to 0}
* Change 2 Part Red {39 Window 1 x 1 x 1 to 39bc01 Window 1 x 1 x 1 with Extended Lip, with fixed Glass}
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As far as I could check in catalogs, this train was only sold in 127. It is the
same as the second version of 116 but TLG decided to change its ID number since
1969 for the market of UK, however they kept the ID number 116 for other countries
after 1969 too.
* I counted following bircks:
5 step 4
3 step 6
2 step 7
3 step 7
1 step 7
3 step 3
2 step 6
6 step 7
2 step 8
The instructions is the same as the later version of instructions for train
The only difference is that one extra black 1x1 plate is used (on top of the
black motor).
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Where exactly did you find this one extra black 1x1 plate?
And if there was an extra, why doesn't it show up in your change request?
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* The windows
with extended lips and fixed glass were used up to sometime around 1972.
* The black trainrims were used since 1969.
* The later version of decouplers with magnets were used since 1969, so
and
should be removed. This is as the box art and Lego catalogs.
* The connectors of
were discontinued in 1968 and TLG replaced them with connectors of
and the battery boxes were also changed accordingly.
|
I will check your requests later, but I would like to ask you some questions
first.
You are talking about 'should be removed' and 'were discontinued
in ...' ....
Where did you get this information? And are you aware of the fact that old types
were used, even when new types were released? TLG did that in the 60's and
they still do.
Images on Instructions and boxes are not always accurate, but this doesn't
mean old types never appeared in a set.
In 2019 you added items to the inventory and now you want to delete them??
I'm not saying your change requests are right or wrong, but it's very
confusing.
So please explain my reply/quesions and I will check the requests step by step.
Diana
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | SezaR | | Posted: | Feb 6, 2022 18:28 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 127-1 | | Viewed: | 20 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
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| In Inventories Requests, TakeAbricK writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, SezaR writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, SezaR writes:
| | Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Delete 5 Part 737 Red Plate, Modified 2 x 4 with Train Coupler Closed for Hook (match ID 3)
* Delete 5 Part 737bc01 Red Plate, Modified 2 x 4 with Train Coupler Open with Hook (match ID 4)
* Delete 1 Part 996ac15blue White Electric, Wire 12V / 4.5V with 2 Leads, 14 Studs Long with 4 Blue Electric, Connector, 1-Way Male Rounded with Hollow Pin (x466c14 / 996ac01) (match ID 1)
* Delete 4 Part wheel2ac02 Red Train Wheel Spoked for Motor with Light Gray Train Rim for 4.5V & 12V Locomotive Wheels (wheel2a / trainrim) (match ID 2)
* Change {5 to 4} Part Black 3022 Plate 2 x 2
* Change {3 to 5} Part Black 3021 Plate 2 x 3
* Change {9 to 8} Part Black 3020 Plate 2 x 4
* Change 5 Part Red 737ac02 Plate, Modified 2 x 4 with Train Coupler Open for Magnet with Blue Magnet Coupling, Train - 7mm Cylinder (737a / x547b) {Alternate to Regular} {match ID 4 to 0}
* Change 5 Part Red 737ac01 Plate, Modified 2 x 4 with Train Coupler Open for Magnet with Same Color Magnet Coupling, Train - 7mm Cylinder (737a / x547b) {Alternate to Regular} {match ID 3 to 0}
* Change 4 Part Red wheel2ac01 Train Wheel Spoked for Motor with Black Train Rim for 4.5V & 12V Locomotive Wheels (wheel2a / trainrim) {Alternate to Regular} {match ID 2 to 0}
* Change 1 Part White x466c15blue Electric, Wire 12V / 4.5V with two Blue 2-prong connectors, 15 Studs Long {Alternate to Regular} {match ID 1 to 0}
* Change 2 Part Red {39 Window 1 x 1 x 1 to 39bc01 Window 1 x 1 x 1 with Extended Lip, with fixed Glass}
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As far as I could check in catalogs, this train was only sold in 127. It is the
same as the second version of 116 but TLG decided to change its ID number since
1969 for the market of UK, however they kept the ID number 116 for other countries
after 1969 too.
* I counted following bircks:
5 step 4
3 step 6
2 step 7
3 step 7
1 step 7
3 step 3
2 step 6
6 step 7
2 step 8
The instructions is the same as the later version of instructions for train
The only difference is that one extra black 1x2 plate is used (on top of the
black motor).
|
Where exactly did you find this one extra black 1x1 plate?
And if there was an extra, why doesn't it show up in your change request?
|
This was a typo. I meant 1 x 2 plate.
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| |
* The windows
with extended lips and fixed glass were used up to sometime around 1972.
* The black trainrims were used since 1969.
* The later version of decouplers with magnets were used since 1969, so
and
should be removed. This is as the box art and Lego catalogs.
* The connectors of
were discontinued in 1968 and TLG replaced them with connectors of
and the battery boxes were also changed accordingly.
|
I will check your requests later, but I would like to ask you some questions
first.
You are talking about 'should be removed' and 'were discontinued
in ...' ....
Where did you get this information?
|
I have checked many and many and many used sets of all trains in 60s and early
70s. I also got photos of new copies for few trains and owned few trains that
came (almost certainly) with original parts as they looked entirely new, like
built only once.
The 1x1 windows before about 1972-3 came with extended lips and fixed glass.
the current catalog item is an undetermined entry and I feel it is 100% safe
to change the windows.
The chance to find a copy in new condition is very slim but checking multiple
used copies (and having checked multiple copies of all trains in late 60s) confirm
that there were only one type of windows at that time: with hollow stud, extended
lips and fixed glass.
| | And are you aware of the fact that old types
were used, even when new types were released?
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Yes.
| | TLG did that in the 60's and
they still do.
|
Yes.
| |
Images on Instructions and boxes are not always accurate, but this doesn't
mean old types never appeared in a set.
|
Correct.
| |
In 2019 you added items to the inventory and now you want to delete them??
|
I had just tried to remove separate entries for trainrims and wheels as they
always came assembled. So that was a generic inventory change request to make
the inventory be as the parts came assembled in the new box.
| |
I'm not saying your change requests are right or wrong, but it's very
confusing.
So please explain my reply/quesions and I will check the requests step by step.
Diana
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | TakeAbricK | | Posted: | Feb 7, 2022 03:42 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 127-1 | | Viewed: | 24 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
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| In Inventories Requests, SezaR writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, TakeAbricK writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, SezaR writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, SezaR writes:
| | Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Delete 5 Part 737 Red Plate, Modified 2 x 4 with Train Coupler Closed for Hook (match ID 3)
* Delete 5 Part 737bc01 Red Plate, Modified 2 x 4 with Train Coupler Open with Hook (match ID 4)
* Delete 1 Part 996ac15blue White Electric, Wire 12V / 4.5V with 2 Leads, 14 Studs Long with 4 Blue Electric, Connector, 1-Way Male Rounded with Hollow Pin (x466c14 / 996ac01) (match ID 1)
* Delete 4 Part wheel2ac02 Red Train Wheel Spoked for Motor with Light Gray Train Rim for 4.5V & 12V Locomotive Wheels (wheel2a / trainrim) (match ID 2)
* Change {5 to 4} Part Black 3022 Plate 2 x 2
* Change {3 to 5} Part Black 3021 Plate 2 x 3
* Change {9 to 8} Part Black 3020 Plate 2 x 4
* Change 5 Part Red 737ac02 Plate, Modified 2 x 4 with Train Coupler Open for Magnet with Blue Magnet Coupling, Train - 7mm Cylinder (737a / x547b) {Alternate to Regular} {match ID 4 to 0}
* Change 5 Part Red 737ac01 Plate, Modified 2 x 4 with Train Coupler Open for Magnet with Same Color Magnet Coupling, Train - 7mm Cylinder (737a / x547b) {Alternate to Regular} {match ID 3 to 0}
* Change 4 Part Red wheel2ac01 Train Wheel Spoked for Motor with Black Train Rim for 4.5V & 12V Locomotive Wheels (wheel2a / trainrim) {Alternate to Regular} {match ID 2 to 0}
* Change 1 Part White x466c15blue Electric, Wire 12V / 4.5V with two Blue 2-prong connectors, 15 Studs Long {Alternate to Regular} {match ID 1 to 0}
* Change 2 Part Red {39 Window 1 x 1 x 1 to 39bc01 Window 1 x 1 x 1 with Extended Lip, with fixed Glass}
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As far as I could check in catalogs, this train was only sold in 127. It is the
same as the second version of 116 but TLG decided to change its ID number since
1969 for the market of UK, however they kept the ID number 116 for other countries
after 1969 too.
* I counted following bircks:
5 step 4
3 step 6
2 step 7
3 step 7
1 step 7
3 step 3
2 step 6
6 step 7
2 step 8
The instructions is the same as the later version of instructions for train
The only difference is that one extra black 1x2 plate is used (on top of the
black motor).
|
Where exactly did you find this one extra black 1x1 plate?
And if there was an extra, why doesn't it show up in your change request?
|
This was a typo. I meant 1 x 2 plate.
| |
| |
* The windows
with extended lips and fixed glass were used up to sometime around 1972.
* The black trainrims were used since 1969.
* The later version of decouplers with magnets were used since 1969, so
and
should be removed. This is as the box art and Lego catalogs.
* The connectors of
were discontinued in 1968 and TLG replaced them with connectors of
and the battery boxes were also changed accordingly.
|
I will check your requests later, but I would like to ask you some questions
first.
You are talking about 'should be removed' and 'were discontinued
in ...' ....
Where did you get this information?
|
I have checked many and many and many used sets of all trains in 60s and early
70s. I also got photos of new copies for few trains and owned few trains that
came (almost certainly) with original parts as they looked entirely new, like
built only once.
The 1x1 windows before about 1972-3 came with extended lips and fixed glass.
the current catalog item is an undetermined entry and I feel it is 100% safe
to change the windows.
The chance to find a copy in new condition is very slim but checking multiple
used copies (and having checked multiple copies of all trains in late 60s) confirm
that there were only one type of windows at that time: with hollow stud, extended
lips and fixed glass.
|
Thank you for your explanation.
Making change requests based on used sets could be 'dangerous' though.
Take the Train Rims for instance. The Light Gray are very rare to get, and most
are hardened and unuseable. To let the train running, those rims are often replaced
by black ones and my guess is that a lot of those are fake rims (made of tubes
from racing bikes).
I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of black ones in inventories, actually were
gray.
If you add change requests based on sealed sets or almost new sets, it's
best to add the images as proof.
About your requests: I want to be 100% sure and didn't check yet. Hope doing
that this week.
| | | | And are you aware of the fact that old types
were used, even when new types were released?
|
Yes.
| | TLG did that in the 60's and
they still do.
|
Yes.
| |
Images on Instructions and boxes are not always accurate, but this doesn't
mean old types never appeared in a set.
|
Correct.
| |
In 2019 you added items to the inventory and now you want to delete them??
|
I had just tried to remove separate entries for trainrims and wheels as they
always came assembled. So that was a generic inventory change request to make
the inventory be as the parts came assembled in the new box.
| |
I'm not saying your change requests are right or wrong, but it's very
confusing.
So please explain my reply/quesions and I will check the requests step by step.
Diana
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | SezaR | | Posted: | Feb 7, 2022 13:54 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 127-1 | | Viewed: | 24 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
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| In Inventories Requests, TakeAbricK writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, SezaR writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, TakeAbricK writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, SezaR writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, SezaR writes:
| | Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Delete 5 Part 737 Red Plate, Modified 2 x 4 with Train Coupler Closed for Hook (match ID 3)
* Delete 5 Part 737bc01 Red Plate, Modified 2 x 4 with Train Coupler Open with Hook (match ID 4)
* Delete 1 Part 996ac15blue White Electric, Wire 12V / 4.5V with 2 Leads, 14 Studs Long with 4 Blue Electric, Connector, 1-Way Male Rounded with Hollow Pin (x466c14 / 996ac01) (match ID 1)
* Delete 4 Part wheel2ac02 Red Train Wheel Spoked for Motor with Light Gray Train Rim for 4.5V & 12V Locomotive Wheels (wheel2a / trainrim) (match ID 2)
* Change {5 to 4} Part Black 3022 Plate 2 x 2
* Change {3 to 5} Part Black 3021 Plate 2 x 3
* Change {9 to 8} Part Black 3020 Plate 2 x 4
* Change 5 Part Red 737ac02 Plate, Modified 2 x 4 with Train Coupler Open for Magnet with Blue Magnet Coupling, Train - 7mm Cylinder (737a / x547b) {Alternate to Regular} {match ID 4 to 0}
* Change 5 Part Red 737ac01 Plate, Modified 2 x 4 with Train Coupler Open for Magnet with Same Color Magnet Coupling, Train - 7mm Cylinder (737a / x547b) {Alternate to Regular} {match ID 3 to 0}
* Change 4 Part Red wheel2ac01 Train Wheel Spoked for Motor with Black Train Rim for 4.5V & 12V Locomotive Wheels (wheel2a / trainrim) {Alternate to Regular} {match ID 2 to 0}
* Change 1 Part White x466c15blue Electric, Wire 12V / 4.5V with two Blue 2-prong connectors, 15 Studs Long {Alternate to Regular} {match ID 1 to 0}
* Change 2 Part Red {39 Window 1 x 1 x 1 to 39bc01 Window 1 x 1 x 1 with Extended Lip, with fixed Glass}
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As far as I could check in catalogs, this train was only sold in 127. It is the
same as the second version of 116 but TLG decided to change its ID number since
1969 for the market of UK, however they kept the ID number 116 for other countries
after 1969 too.
* I counted following bircks:
5 step 4
3 step 6
2 step 7
3 step 7
1 step 7
3 step 3
2 step 6
6 step 7
2 step 8
The instructions is the same as the later version of instructions for train
The only difference is that one extra black 1x2 plate is used (on top of the
black motor).
|
Where exactly did you find this one extra black 1x1 plate?
And if there was an extra, why doesn't it show up in your change request?
|
This was a typo. I meant 1 x 2 plate.
| |
| |
* The windows
with extended lips and fixed glass were used up to sometime around 1972.
* The black trainrims were used since 1969.
* The later version of decouplers with magnets were used since 1969, so
and
should be removed. This is as the box art and Lego catalogs.
* The connectors of
were discontinued in 1968 and TLG replaced them with connectors of
and the battery boxes were also changed accordingly.
|
I will check your requests later, but I would like to ask you some questions
first.
You are talking about 'should be removed' and 'were discontinued
in ...' ....
Where did you get this information?
|
I have checked many and many and many used sets of all trains in 60s and early
70s. I also got photos of new copies for few trains and owned few trains that
came (almost certainly) with original parts as they looked entirely new, like
built only once.
The 1x1 windows before about 1972-3 came with extended lips and fixed glass.
the current catalog item is an undetermined entry and I feel it is 100% safe
to change the windows.
The chance to find a copy in new condition is very slim but checking multiple
used copies (and having checked multiple copies of all trains in late 60s) confirm
that there were only one type of windows at that time: with hollow stud, extended
lips and fixed glass.
|
Thank you for your explanation.
Making change requests based on used sets could be 'dangerous' though.
|
Yes.
| | Take the Train Rims for instance. The Light Gray are very rare to get, and most
are hardened and unuseable. To let the train running, those rims are often replaced
by black ones and my guess is that a lot of those are fake rims (made of tubes
from racing bikes).
I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of black ones in inventories, actually were
gray.
|
The black trainrims were used since 1969 and there is evidence for it.
The set 127 was released in 1969.
Does it come with black trainrims? Yes.
Does it come with light gray trainrims? We don't know.
Is the inventory correct as it is? We don't know.
Should the request to remove light gray trainrims accepted? We don't have
evidence for it.
Should they be kept in the inventory? We don't have evidence for it.
I think the best thing is to remove them because there is no evidence for them
to be used with this set and it is likely no copy came with them.
As an example, with a friend, many many copies (a couple of MISB or NIB) of train
138 from 1969 are checked but no copy was found with light gray rims.
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If you add change requests based on sealed sets or almost new sets, it's
best to add the images as proof.
About your requests: I want to be 100% sure and didn't check yet. Hope doing
that this week.
| | | | And are you aware of the fact that old types
were used, even when new types were released?
|
Yes.
| | TLG did that in the 60's and
they still do.
|
Yes.
| |
Images on Instructions and boxes are not always accurate, but this doesn't
mean old types never appeared in a set.
|
Correct.
| |
In 2019 you added items to the inventory and now you want to delete them??
|
I had just tried to remove separate entries for trainrims and wheels as they
always came assembled. So that was a generic inventory change request to make
the inventory be as the parts came assembled in the new box.
| |
I'm not saying your change requests are right or wrong, but it's very
confusing.
So please explain my reply/quesions and I will check the requests step by step.
Diana
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | TakeAbricK | | Posted: | Feb 10, 2022 03:27 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 127-1 | | Viewed: | 23 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
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| Today I finaly found time to check your change requests for windows, couplers,
wheels, rims and wires.
Couplers with hook versus Magnet Couplers
| | * Delete 5 Part 737 Red Plate, Modified 2 x 4 with Train Coupler Closed for Hook (match ID 3)
* Delete 5 Part 737bc01 Red Plate, Modified 2 x 4 with Train Coupler Open with Hook (match ID 4)
* Change 5 Part Red 737ac02 Plate, Modified 2 x 4 with Train Coupler Open for Magnet with Blue Magnet Coupling, Train - 7mm Cylinder (737a / x547b) {Alternate to Regular} {match ID 4 to 0}
* Change 5 Part Red 737ac01 Plate, Modified 2 x 4 with Train Coupler Open for Magnet with Same Color Magnet Coupling, Train - 7mm Cylinder (737a / x547b) {Alternate to Regular} {match ID 3 to 0}
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All requests will be approved, for
* | | 737ac02 (Inv) Plate, Modified 2 x 4 with Train Coupler Open for Magnet with Blue Magnet Coupling, Train - 6.5mm Cylinder (737a / x547b)
Parts: Plate, Modified {Red} |
* | | 737ac02 (Inv) Plate, Modified 2 x 4 with Train Coupler Open for Magnet with Blue Magnet Coupling, Train - 6.5mm Cylinder (737a / x547b)
Parts: Plate, Modified {Red} |
were introduced in 1968 and used in all train sets since
were only sold as spares and in supplemental boxes after the introduction of
Magnet couplers
Windows
| | * Change 2 Part Red {39 Window 1 x 1 x 1 to 39bc01 Window 1 x 1 x 1 with Extended Lip, with fixed Glass}
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Request will be approved, for
was introduced mid 70's
was introduced in 1970
Remaining requests will follow.
Diana
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| | | | | | | Author: | TakeAbricK | | Posted: | Feb 10, 2022 06:32 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 127-1 | | Viewed: | 30 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
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| In Inventories Requests, SezaR writes:
| | * Delete 4 Part wheel2ac02 Red Train Wheel Spoked for Motor with Light Gray Train Rim for 4.5V & 12V Locomotive Wheels (wheel2a / trainrim) (match ID 2)
* Change 4 Part Red wheel2ac01 Train Wheel Spoked for Motor with Black Train Rim for 4.5V & 12V Locomotive Wheels (wheel2a / trainrim) {Alternate to Regular} {match ID 2 to 0}
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| | The black trainrims were used since 1969 and there is evidence for it.
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This doesn't mean the light gray ones were not used anymore.
| | The set 127 was released in 1969.
Does it come with black trainrims? Yes.
Does it come with light gray trainrims? We don't know.
Is the inventory correct as it is? We don't know.
Should the request to remove light gray trainrims accepted? We don't have
evidence for it.
Should they be kept in the inventory? We don't have evidence for it.
I think the best thing is to remove them because there is no evidence for them
to be used with this set and it is likely no copy came with them.
As an example, with a friend, many many copies (a couple of MISB or NIB) of train
138 from 1969 are checked but no copy was found with light gray rims.
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There's a copy with gray rims on Peeron. A lot of inventories on Bricklink
were based on Peeron info. I am not convinced that set 127 never came with gray
rims.
Therefor these 2 requests will be rejected.
| | * Delete 1 Part 996ac15blue White Electric, Wire 12V / 4.5V with 2 Leads, 14 Studs Long with 4 Blue Electric, Connector, 1-Way Male Rounded with Hollow Pin (x466c14 / 996ac01) (match ID 1)
* Change 1 Part White x466c15blue Electric, Wire 12V / 4.5V with two Blue 2-prong connectors, 15 Studs Long {Alternate to Regular} {match ID 1 to 0}
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| | * The connectors of
were discontinued in 1968 and TLG replaced them with connectors of
and the battery boxes were also changed accordingly.
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The old connectors still fit the new battery boxes and were also seen in
actually
(old connectors in red) only appeared in those sets 118 and 139a, maybe also
in 138 and 139 (didn't check yet)
The Blue ones were found in sets:
I had those 2 sets sealed myself.
Which proofs that these old connectors were not discontinued in 1968.
I also found set 127 with these old connectors running on youtube.
Therefor these 2 requests will be rejected.
Diana
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | SezaR | | Posted: | Feb 13, 2022 19:55 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 127-1 | | Viewed: | 23 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
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| In Inventories Requests, TakeAbricK writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, SezaR writes:
| | * Delete 4 Part wheel2ac02 Red Train Wheel Spoked for Motor with Light Gray Train Rim for 4.5V & 12V Locomotive Wheels (wheel2a / trainrim) (match ID 2)
* Change 4 Part Red wheel2ac01 Train Wheel Spoked for Motor with Black Train Rim for 4.5V & 12V Locomotive Wheels (wheel2a / trainrim) {Alternate to Regular} {match ID 2 to 0}
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| | The black trainrims were used since 1969 and there is evidence for it.
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This doesn't mean the light gray ones were not used anymore.
| | The set 127 was released in 1969.
Does it come with black trainrims? Yes.
Does it come with light gray trainrims? We don't know.
Is the inventory correct as it is? We don't know.
Should the request to remove light gray trainrims accepted? We don't have
evidence for it.
Should they be kept in the inventory? We don't have evidence for it.
I think the best thing is to remove them because there is no evidence for them
to be used with this set and it is likely no copy came with them.
As an example, with a friend, many many copies (a couple of MISB or NIB) of train
138 from 1969 are checked but no copy was found with light gray rims.
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There's a copy with gray rims on Peeron. A lot of inventories on Bricklink
were based on Peeron info. I am not convinced that set 127 never came with gray
rims.
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I appreciate the works that were done on Peeron.com but there are many mistakes,
incompleteness,... I think the inventories were only created based on the instructions.
See how many changes we have been made on 7740 since 2016
https://www.bricklink.com/catalogInvChangeItem.asp?itemType=S&itemNo=7740-1&viewDate=Y&viewStatus=1
This inventory was also copied from peeron.com.
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Therefor these 2 requests will be rejected.
| | * Delete 1 Part 996ac15blue White Electric, Wire 12V / 4.5V with 2 Leads, 14 Studs Long with 4 Blue Electric, Connector, 1-Way Male Rounded with Hollow Pin (x466c14 / 996ac01) (match ID 1)
* Change 1 Part White x466c15blue Electric, Wire 12V / 4.5V with two Blue 2-prong connectors, 15 Studs Long {Alternate to Regular} {match ID 1 to 0}
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| | * The connectors of
were discontinued in 1968 and TLG replaced them with connectors of
and the battery boxes were also changed accordingly.
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The old connectors still fit the new battery boxes and were also seen in
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This set is from 1968 and there is strong evidence that it was only produced
in 1968. It was sold after 1968 but they were all copies produced in 1968. So
this set never came as alternate with
neither
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actually
(old connectors in red) only appeared in those sets 118 and 139a, maybe also
in 138 and 139 (didn't check yet)
The Blue ones were found in sets:
I had those 2 sets sealed myself.
Which proofs that these old connectors were not discontinued in 1968.
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I have strong belief that they were almost discontinued in 1968 however TLG used
their extra ones for supplemental sets. Note that these supplemental sets come
with parts
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* | | x877c01 (Inv) Electric, Train 4.5V Automatic Pole Reverser Brick 4 x 9 with Magnet Holder with Blue Magnet Coupling, Train - 6.5mm Cylinder (x877 / x547b)
Parts: Electric, Train |
that works only with single connector bb0236ac01.
TLG decided in 1969 that they would replace them with
because these connectors had a better functionality. The problem with single
connectors was that they
just plugged off on their own from motor/battery box. Indeed, TLG did not produce
various connectors at the same time until 80s (in 80s, connectors had different
functionality)
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I also found set 127 with these old connectors running on youtube.
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I had seen it and I absolutely don't trust that one on youtube.
For few trains in late 70s, I did some "trustworthy"-check where I was looking
many used sets and see what percentage of them came with original wires. The
answer was about roughly 75%. But I found out that almost all sets that came
with box and instructions and in complete and nice state came with original parts
as well.
The one on youtube does not come with box.
Unfortunately wires and trainrims were replaced in many cases but in most cases
the motor has been original.
I can say that the one on peeron.com that has light gray trainrims because the
inner tray of box is the second version. If this train came with light gray trainrims,
it was only in early 1969 so it had to come with early version inner tray that
was in two pieces (one in blue)
See this listing
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Vintage-Lego-Train-Set-Rare-127-Model-All-Track-Complete-Instructions-/154827838760?mkpid=0&emsid=e11051.m43.l1123&mkcid=7&ch=osgood&euid=24f1ecb180174f65ae56f414001cc00a&bu=44809017689&osub=-1%7E1&crd=20220211031240&segname=11051&sojTags=ch%3Dch%2Cbu%3Dbu%2Cosub%3Dosub%2Ccrd%3Dcrd%2Csegname%3Dsegname%2Cchnl%3Dmkcid&nma=true&si=x155ezOYvZ7By0BVc7vYcbr%252FQug%253D&orig_cvip=true&nordt=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557
This one is probably not all with original parts neither because the Train Couplers
are incorrect and probably they had another train too but interesting the trainrims
are light grays. However it comes with almost all extra (two wheels are light
gray instead of black). I asked the seller and he opened and checked the production
date of motor
69 06
See attached.
The connectors in this copy are
The production of motor is 69 06 means 1969-the 6th months.
I am very positive that this wire assembly should be removed but if this is true,
it is nearly impossible to prove it. How can we check ALL copies of this train?
Once I can get access to the photos on my old laptop, I write more about this
set.
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Therefor these 2 requests will be rejected.
Diana
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