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| | | Author: | Brickitty  | | Posted: | Dec 10, 2021 12:08 | | Subject: | Difference between 6048 and 6048b | | Viewed: | 155 times | | Topic: | Catalog | | Status: | Open | |
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| What exactly is the difference between 6048 and 6048b? There's no comparison
picture on either entry, and the only descriptive difference is that 6048b has
"finger grooves".
However, I checked through my copies of sets 6977, 6969, 6441, and 2151 for (6048)
as well as 6949, 6837, 6905, 6456, and 8480 for 6048b. I couldn't see any
difference between the 6048* copies in all of those sets, and they all seem to
have a "finger groove" to allow the piece to be attached to 3-arm pieces and
to rotate cleanly.
Does anyone have non-render pics of the normal 6048, or could anyone explain
what to look for? Thanks!
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| | | | | Author: | Stuart9 | | Posted: | Dec 10, 2021 12:17 | | Subject: | Re: Difference between 6048 and 6048b | | Viewed: | 53 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| I believe 6048 has 2 flat fingers, smooth, no groove.
Don’t have any to hand.
In Catalog, Brickitty writes:
| | What exactly is the difference between 6048 and 6048b? There's no comparison
picture on either entry, and the only descriptive difference is that 6048b has
"finger grooves".
However, I checked through my copies of sets 6977, 6969, 6441, and 2151 for (6048)
as well as 6949, 6837, 6905, 6456, and 8480 for 6048b. I couldn't see any
difference between the 6048* copies in all of those sets, and they all seem to
have a "finger groove" to allow the piece to be attached to 3-arm pieces and
to rotate cleanly.
Does anyone have non-render pics of the normal 6048, or could anyone explain
what to look for? Thanks!
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| | | | | Author: | axaday | | Posted: | Dec 10, 2021 12:35 | | Subject: | Re: Difference between 6048 and 6048b | | Viewed: | 54 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, Brickitty writes:
| | What exactly is the difference between 6048 and 6048b? There's no comparison
picture on either entry, and the only descriptive difference is that 6048b has
"finger grooves".
However, I checked through my copies of sets 6977, 6969, 6441, and 2151 for (6048)
as well as 6949, 6837, 6905, 6456, and 8480 for 6048b. I couldn't see any
difference between the 6048* copies in all of those sets, and they all seem to
have a "finger groove" to allow the piece to be attached to 3-arm pieces and
to rotate cleanly.
Does anyone have non-render pics of the normal 6048, or could anyone explain
what to look for? Thanks!
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6048 may not exist. Every set that I have opened with 6048 turned out to have
6048b. 6048c exists because there is a picture (or vice versa!), but has not
yet been reported in a set. 6048 may have been "either of them" before an incomplete
split. If so, it should have been named "undetermined".
Are your copies of all of those sets originally opened by you? It sounds like
you could do a LOT toward solving this issue.
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| | | | | | | Author: | Brickitty | | Posted: | Dec 10, 2021 14:10 | | Subject: | Re: Difference between 6048 and 6048b | | Viewed: | 44 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, axaday writes:
| | 6048 may not exist. Every set that I have opened with 6048 turned out to have
6048b. 6048c exists because there is a picture (or vice versa!), but has not
yet been reported in a set. 6048 may have been "either of them" before an incomplete
split. If so, it should have been named "undetermined".
Are your copies of all of those sets originally opened by you? It sounds like
you could do a LOT toward solving this issue.
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Thanks for the responses, everyone! I suspected that 6048 may not have existed
in Black, at least, but didn't want to assert that. I actually stumbled over
this conundrum because I found 6217b with the threaded grooves while parting
out 8480, and I hadn't known it existed, so I started looking into the variants
of Arm pieces in general.
Unfortunately, no, none of those sets were originally opened by me, so I don't
think my submissions to change entries would be accepted. However, I am 99% certain
most of them are the correct original parts -- the Insectoids sets came from
a small Craigslist lot that contained almost the entire theme, all of which were
in like-new condition and looked like they were only built once and then put
into storage. And my recent partout of 8480 was a friend's copy of the set
that had been on display since the '90s and had never been mixed with other
sets.
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| | | | | Author: | hpoort | | Posted: | Dec 10, 2021 12:38 | | Subject: | Re: Difference between 6048 and 6048b | | Viewed: | 59 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, Brickitty writes:
| | What exactly is the difference between 6048 and 6048b? There's no comparison
picture on either entry, and the only descriptive difference is that 6048b has
"finger grooves".
However, I checked through my copies of sets 6977, 6969, 6441, and 2151 for (6048)
as well as 6949, 6837, 6905, 6456, and 8480 for 6048b. I couldn't see any
difference between the 6048* copies in all of those sets, and they all seem to
have a "finger groove" to allow the piece to be attached to 3-arm pieces and
to rotate cleanly.
Does anyone have non-render pics of the normal 6048, or could anyone explain
what to look for? Thanks!
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The finger groove refers to the small groove ON the fingers, towards the dimple,
for the bump of the connecting part to slide through while connecting. Without
this groove, the three fingers of the connecting part would need to bend outwards
more.
For the very old versions of this parts (Homemaker series, 1970's), those
grooves where not present, and consequently, they are hard to disassemble.
[p=6048] refers to the undetermined combination of [p=6048a] and
* | | 6048b Arm Piece with Pin, 2 Fingers and Finger Grooves
Parts: Arm |
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| | | | | | | Author: | Brickitty | | Posted: | Dec 10, 2021 14:11 | | Subject: | Re: Difference between 6048 and 6048b | | Viewed: | 35 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, hpoort writes:
| | The finger groove refers to the small groove ON the fingers, towards the dimple,
for the bump of the connecting part to slide through while connecting. Without
this groove, the three fingers of the connecting part would need to bend outwards
more.
For the very old versions of this parts (Homemaker series, 1970's), those
grooves where not present, and consequently, they are hard to disassemble.
[p=6048] refers to the undetermined combination of [p=6048a] and
* | | 6048b Arm Piece with Pin, 2 Fingers and Finger Grooves
Parts: Arm |
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That makes sense! Thanks for the description of the difference and the history
with the Homemaker sets.
Perhaps the catalog admins would be willing to add "undetermined variant" text
to the entry for 6048?
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | peregrinator | | Posted: | Dec 10, 2021 14:14 | | Subject: | Re: Difference between 6048 and 6048b | | Viewed: | 41 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, Brickitty writes:
| | Perhaps the catalog admins would be willing to add "undetermined variant" text
to the entry for 6048?
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They would have to add a 6048a then as well (doesn't exist in the catalogue
at the moment) for a part with dimples, but without grooves (assuming that part
exists). Which seems like the right move anyway, it's odd to have 6048b and
6048c, but no 6048a.
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | axaday | | Posted: | Dec 10, 2021 15:06 | | Subject: | Re: Difference between 6048 and 6048b | | Viewed: | 37 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, peregrinator writes:
| | In Catalog, Brickitty writes:
| | Perhaps the catalog admins would be willing to add "undetermined variant" text
to the entry for 6048?
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They would have to add a 6048a then as well (doesn't exist in the catalogue
at the moment) for a part with dimples, but without grooves (assuming that part
exists). Which seems like the right move anyway, it's odd to have 6048b and
6048c, but no 6048a.
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It was probably a lot harder to do this kind of thing in 2002 and Dan just did
it himself case by case as appeared right.
I see no evidence that A exists, so it wouldn't be right to create it in
the catalog.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | hpoort | | Posted: | Dec 10, 2021 16:03 | | Subject: | Re: Difference between 6048 and 6048b | | Viewed: | 41 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, axaday writes:
| | In Catalog, peregrinator writes:
| | In Catalog, Brickitty writes:
| | Perhaps the catalog admins would be willing to add "undetermined variant" text
to the entry for 6048?
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They would have to add a 6048a then as well (doesn't exist in the catalogue
at the moment) for a part with dimples, but without grooves (assuming that part
exists). Which seems like the right move anyway, it's odd to have 6048b and
6048c, but no 6048a.
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It was probably a lot harder to do this kind of thing in 2002 and Dan just did
it himself case by case as appeared right.
I see no evidence that A exists, so it wouldn't be right to create it in
the catalog.
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A little faith. You don't assume I didn't check my Homemaker figures
before writing my post?
I'll add the part (request) and images.
Unfortunately I couldn't find a 4068b in my collection, so I can't do
a comparison picture.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Stuart9 | | Posted: | Dec 10, 2021 16:11 | | Subject: | Re: Difference between 6048 and 6048b | | Viewed: | 34 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| Sorry but those are 3612’s.
In Catalog, hpoort writes:
| | In Catalog, axaday writes:
| | In Catalog, peregrinator writes:
| | In Catalog, Brickitty writes:
| | Perhaps the catalog admins would be willing to add "undetermined variant" text
to the entry for 6048?
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They would have to add a 6048a then as well (doesn't exist in the catalogue
at the moment) for a part with dimples, but without grooves (assuming that part
exists). Which seems like the right move anyway, it's odd to have 6048b and
6048c, but no 6048a.
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It was probably a lot harder to do this kind of thing in 2002 and Dan just did
it himself case by case as appeared right.
I see no evidence that A exists, so it wouldn't be right to create it in
the catalog.
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A little faith. You don't assume I didn't check my Homemaker figures
before writing my post?
I'll add the part (request) and images.
Unfortunately I couldn't find a 4068b in my collection, so I can't do
a comparison picture.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | hpoort | | Posted: | Dec 10, 2021 16:20 | | Subject: | Re: Difference between 6048 and 6048b | | Viewed: | 33 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, Stuart9 writes:
| | Sorry but those are 3612’s.
In Catalog, hpoort writes:
| | In Catalog, axaday writes:
| | In Catalog, peregrinator writes:
| | In Catalog, Brickitty writes:
| | Perhaps the catalog admins would be willing to add "undetermined variant" text
to the entry for 6048?
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They would have to add a 6048a then as well (doesn't exist in the catalogue
at the moment) for a part with dimples, but without grooves (assuming that part
exists). Which seems like the right move anyway, it's odd to have 6048b and
6048c, but no 6048a.
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It was probably a lot harder to do this kind of thing in 2002 and Dan just did
it himself case by case as appeared right.
I see no evidence that A exists, so it wouldn't be right to create it in
the catalog.
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A little faith. You don't assume I didn't check my Homemaker figures
before writing my post?
I'll add the part (request) and images.
Unfortunately I couldn't find a 4068b in my collection, so I can't do
a comparison picture.
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Oops. Indeed. Never saw that distinction.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | axaday | | Posted: | Dec 10, 2021 16:16 | | Subject: | Re: Difference between 6048 and 6048b | | Viewed: | 32 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, hpoort writes:
| | You don't assume I didn't check my Homemaker figures
before writing my post?
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I did assume that.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Turez | | Posted: | Dec 10, 2021 16:54 | | Subject: | Re: Difference between 6048 and 6048b | | Viewed: | 41 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, axaday writes:
| | In Catalog, peregrinator writes:
| | In Catalog, Brickitty writes:
| | Perhaps the catalog admins would be willing to add "undetermined variant" text
to the entry for 6048?
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They would have to add a 6048a then as well (doesn't exist in the catalogue
at the moment) for a part with dimples, but without grooves (assuming that part
exists). Which seems like the right move anyway, it's odd to have 6048b and
6048c, but no 6048a.
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It was probably a lot harder to do this kind of thing in 2002 and Dan just did
it himself case by case as appeared right.
I see no evidence that A exists, so it wouldn't be right to create it in
the catalog.
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What we would need is an early copy of
If we find
* | | 6048b Arm Piece with Pin, 2 Fingers and Finger Grooves
Parts: Arm |
in that early copy, then it would be almost sure there is no 6048 without finger
grooves and 6048 and 6048b could be merged.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Brickitty | | Posted: | Dec 10, 2021 17:16 | | Subject: | Re: Difference between 6048 and 6048b | | Viewed: | 41 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, Turez writes:
| | In Catalog, axaday writes:
| | In Catalog, peregrinator writes:
| | In Catalog, Brickitty writes:
| | Perhaps the catalog admins would be willing to add "undetermined variant" text
to the entry for 6048?
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They would have to add a 6048a then as well (doesn't exist in the catalogue
at the moment) for a part with dimples, but without grooves (assuming that part
exists). Which seems like the right move anyway, it's odd to have 6048b and
6048c, but no 6048a.
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It was probably a lot harder to do this kind of thing in 2002 and Dan just did
it himself case by case as appeared right.
I see no evidence that A exists, so it wouldn't be right to create it in
the catalog.
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What we would need is an early copy of
If we find
* | | 6048b Arm Piece with Pin, 2 Fingers and Finger Grooves
Parts: Arm |
in that early copy, then it would be almost sure there is no 6048 without finger
grooves and 6048 and 6048b could be merged.
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Would that have to be a sealed copy to provide evidence?
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Turez | | Posted: | Dec 10, 2021 17:32 | | Subject: | Re: Difference between 6048 and 6048b | | Viewed: | 34 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, Brickitty writes:
| | In Catalog, Turez writes:
| | In Catalog, axaday writes:
| | In Catalog, peregrinator writes:
| | In Catalog, Brickitty writes:
| | Perhaps the catalog admins would be willing to add "undetermined variant" text
to the entry for 6048?
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They would have to add a 6048a then as well (doesn't exist in the catalogue
at the moment) for a part with dimples, but without grooves (assuming that part
exists). Which seems like the right move anyway, it's odd to have 6048b and
6048c, but no 6048a.
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It was probably a lot harder to do this kind of thing in 2002 and Dan just did
it himself case by case as appeared right.
I see no evidence that A exists, so it wouldn't be right to create it in
the catalog.
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What we would need is an early copy of
If we find
* | | 6048b Arm Piece with Pin, 2 Fingers and Finger Grooves
Parts: Arm |
in that early copy, then it would be almost sure there is no 6048 without finger
grooves and 6048 and 6048b could be merged.
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Would that have to be a sealed copy to provide evidence?
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No. It could also be a used set or even a mixed lot of used sets. We just need
to be sure the part in question is still the original part from the set and was
not mixed with other parts of the same type.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Brickitty | | Posted: | Dec 10, 2021 17:54 | | Subject: | Re: Difference between 6048 and 6048b | | Viewed: | 43 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, Turez writes:
| | In Catalog, Brickitty writes:
| | In Catalog, Turez writes:
| | In Catalog, axaday writes:
| | In Catalog, peregrinator writes:
| | In Catalog, Brickitty writes:
| | Perhaps the catalog admins would be willing to add "undetermined variant" text
to the entry for 6048?
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They would have to add a 6048a then as well (doesn't exist in the catalogue
at the moment) for a part with dimples, but without grooves (assuming that part
exists). Which seems like the right move anyway, it's odd to have 6048b and
6048c, but no 6048a.
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It was probably a lot harder to do this kind of thing in 2002 and Dan just did
it himself case by case as appeared right.
I see no evidence that A exists, so it wouldn't be right to create it in
the catalog.
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What we would need is an early copy of
If we find
* | | 6048b Arm Piece with Pin, 2 Fingers and Finger Grooves
Parts: Arm |
in that early copy, then it would be almost sure there is no 6048 without finger
grooves and 6048 and 6048b could be merged.
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Would that have to be a sealed copy to provide evidence?
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No. It could also be a used set or even a mixed lot of used sets. We just need
to be sure the part in question is still the original part from the set and was
not mixed with other parts of the same type.
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Got it. I've been looking to pick up 6346 anyway, and I have a lot of experience
determining whether a set is "Frankensteined" together or is composed of original
parts, so I'll find one that's well-preserved and report back.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | SezaR | | Posted: | Dec 10, 2021 17:59 | | Subject: | Re: Difference between 6048 and 6048b | | Viewed: | 43 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, Turez writes:
| | In Catalog, axaday writes:
| | In Catalog, peregrinator writes:
| | In Catalog, Brickitty writes:
| | Perhaps the catalog admins would be willing to add "undetermined variant" text
to the entry for 6048?
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They would have to add a 6048a then as well (doesn't exist in the catalogue
at the moment) for a part with dimples, but without grooves (assuming that part
exists). Which seems like the right move anyway, it's odd to have 6048b and
6048c, but no 6048a.
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It was probably a lot harder to do this kind of thing in 2002 and Dan just did
it himself case by case as appeared right.
I see no evidence that A exists, so it wouldn't be right to create it in
the catalog.
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What we would need is an early copy of
If we find
* | | 6048b Arm Piece with Pin, 2 Fingers and Finger Grooves
Parts: Arm |
in that early copy, then it would be almost sure there is no 6048 without finger
grooves and 6048 and 6048b could be merged.
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I sold one used copy.
My cousin bought this set in 1991 or 1992 but I think it is nearly possible
to make him to check this part!
I bet
[p=6048]
do not exist, at least it was produced as a prototype if it even exists.
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| | | | | Author: | tec | | Posted: | Dec 12, 2021 13:35 | | Subject: | Re: Difference between 6048 and 6048b | | Viewed: | 38 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| No wonder people aren't finding this part in their stock
The part naming is not helping at all.
Also can we stop calling everything "groove"? there are 3 thousand parts with
that word...
This is especially confusing when another "groove" is needed to describe the
next variant (c)
first thing I came up is:
[6084b] arm piece with pin and 2 fingers and slot-in tracks
yes/no?
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| | | | | | | Author: | Stuart9 | | Posted: | Dec 12, 2021 13:53 | | Subject: | Re: Difference between 6048 and 6048b | | Viewed: | 34 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| Problem is, which now become a slot or stay as I groove.
When is a groove a slot and vice versa ? 
Best of luck working this one out.
In Catalog, tec writes:
| | No wonder people aren't finding this part in their stock
The part naming is not helping at all.
Also can we stop calling everything "groove"? there are 3 thousand parts with
that word...
This is especially confusing when another "groove" is needed to describe the
next variant (c)
first thing I came up is:
[6084b] arm piece with pin and 2 fingers and slot-in tracks
yes/no?
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | SylvainLS | | Posted: | Dec 12, 2021 23:55 | | Subject: | Re: Difference between 6048 and 6048b | | Viewed: | 35 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, Stuart9 writes:
| | Problem is, which now become a slot or stay as I groove.
When is a groove a slot and vice versa ?
Best of luck working this one out.
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Hmm, I’d say:
— a slot is where something inserts, so it’s some kind of connection, even if
a loose one,
— so, in opposition, a groove woulld be decorative or its function would only
be to allow humans to remove the part (like on tiles).
But that’s only if the two were used and I had to find a difference, because
“groove” covers the two definitions (and “slot” does not).
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