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 Author: Admin_Russell View Messages Posted By Admin_Russell
 Posted: Nov 24, 2021 14:50
 Subject: EU Distance selling feature is now live!
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Dear BrickLink Members,

We have released our Distance Selling feature for sellers who plan to or have
reached the EUR annual 10 000 distance sale of goods threshold. To see where
your current BrickLink sales totals are, you can download the order information
here:

https://www.bricklink.com/orderExcel.asp?orderType=received

To turn this feature on, navigate to your Store Settings page and enable distance
selling. You will be asked to enter your One Stop Shop (OSS) number:

https://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs/business/vat/oss_en

or foreign VAT registration information and provide valid documentation. Once
enabled, the prices of your items will remain the same on your storefront, however
the VAT rate charged and collected will be changed to match the country’s rate
in which the buyer is located.

This has been implemented to comply with the new EU marketplace regulations.
For more information, please see the European Commission article on this topic
here:

https://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs/business/vat/online-sellers_en

You can find additional guidance on the BrickLink EU Marketplace Changes Help
Page:

https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=2517

This message will be sent via email to all sellers at the beginning of next week.
Please add any questions about this feature (along with any bug reports) to this
thread.

Thank you,

The BrickLink Team
 Author: Teup View Messages Posted By Teup
 Posted: Nov 24, 2021 15:28
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In Administrative, Admin_Russell writes:
  Dear BrickLink Members,

We have released our Distance Selling feature for sellers who plan to or have
reached the EUR annual 10 000 distance sale of goods threshold. To see where
your current BrickLink sales totals are, you can download the order information
here:

https://www.bricklink.com/orderExcel.asp?orderType=received

Don't forget to exclude VAT in that calculation, and also no-VAT (B2B) transactions


  or foreign VAT registration information and provide valid documentation. Once
enabled, the prices of your items will remain the same on your storefront, however
the VAT rate charged and collected will be changed to match the country’s rate
in which the buyer is located.

Uhm, that's kind of a dirty workaround solution. The whole reason for the
new legislation is making competition more fair. As far as I can see, keeping
the prices the same for all EU customers kind of negates the idea. Not saying
it's necessarily wrong, but did you check properly that this type
of approach is at least legal for a marketplace?
And be ready for sellers who are not going to be happy about this, and they have
a point. Profit will depend on who you are selling to, which is weird. Hopefully
there will be a more accurate solution in the future.
 Author: Teup View Messages Posted By Teup
 Posted: Nov 27, 2021 05:48
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In Administrative, Teup writes:
  In Administrative, Admin_Russell writes:
  or foreign VAT registration information and provide valid documentation. Once
enabled, the prices of your items will remain the same on your storefront, however
the VAT rate charged and collected will be changed to match the country’s rate
in which the buyer is located.

Uhm, that's kind of a dirty workaround solution. The whole reason for the
new legislation is making competition more fair. As far as I can see, keeping
the prices the same for all EU customers kind of negates the idea. Not saying
it's necessarily wrong, but did you check properly that this type
of approach is at least legal for a marketplace?

Okay, Russell, no response from you, so I figured out the answer for you.

No, it is not legal:
https://europa.eu/youreurope/citizens/consumers/unfair-treatment/unfair-pricing/index_en.htm#shortcut-4

In case there is any doubt: This is referring to ex.VAT prices. After all, the
idea of the new legislation is to make competition more fair, so if it was referring
to inc.VAT prices it would make that whole new legislation trivial and pointless.
Besides the fact that different tax laws across different countries does not
constitute price discrimination - price discrimination is purely about what the
selling party pockets.

IOW: Back to the drawing table Bricklink, you can't release this. You need
to make ex.VAT prices constant, just as it is being done everywhere else. This
quick and dirty solution is simply not legal.
 Author: Snoopy34497 View Messages Posted By Snoopy34497
 Posted: Nov 30, 2021 04:03
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So only sell to Malta and Luxembourg, the tax is lower there, it can't be
In Administrative, Teup writes:
  In Administrative, Admin_Russell writes:
  Dear BrickLink Members,

We have released our Distance Selling feature for sellers who plan to or have
reached the EUR annual 10 000 distance sale of goods threshold. To see where
your current BrickLink sales totals are, you can download the order information
here:

https://www.bricklink.com/orderExcel.asp?orderType=received

Don't forget to exclude VAT in that calculation, and also no-VAT (B2B) transactions


  or foreign VAT registration information and provide valid documentation. Once
enabled, the prices of your items will remain the same on your storefront, however
the VAT rate charged and collected will be changed to match the country’s rate
in which the buyer is located.

Uhm, that's kind of a dirty workaround solution. The whole reason for the
new legislation is making competition more fair. As far as I can see, keeping
the prices the same for all EU customers kind of negates the idea. Not saying
it's necessarily wrong, but did you check properly that this type
of approach is at least legal for a marketplace?
And be ready for sellers who are not going to be happy about this, and they have
a point. Profit will depend on who you are selling to, which is weird. Hopefully
there will be a more accurate solution in the future.
 Author: Stellar View Messages Posted By Stellar
 Posted: Nov 25, 2021 04:50
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  This message will be sent via email to all sellers at the beginning of next week.
Please add any questions about this feature (along with any bug reports) to this
thread.

Bugs:

1. VAT is not calculated correctly. An item can't cost the same for a buyer
in Germany than a buyer in Hungary.

100€ sold to Germany would be 15.97 (19% VAT) leaving the seller 84.03 net
100€ sold to Spain would be 17.36 (21% VAT) leaving the seller 82.64 net
100€ sold to Hungary would be 21.26 (27% VAT) leaving the seller 78.74 net

The price of items should be calculated like this: (SellerListPrice/SellerVAT)*BuyerVAT

So for me it would be:
(100/1.21)*1.19 = 98.35 for German buyer
(100/1.21)*1.21 = 100 for Spanish buyer
(100/1.21)*1.27 = 104.96 for Hungary buyer

2. B2B transactions should be 0% VAT. As of now this is not possible because
when enabling the OSS the checkbox for VAT is disabled.

Just not disable it and we are good to work. VAT is responsibility of the seller.


These bugs are not suggestions, these are facts of how business work in Europe.

Thanks,
Sergio
Stellar Bricks
 Author: kaat View Messages Posted By kaat
 Posted: Nov 25, 2021 11:47
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In Administrative, Stellar writes:
  
  This message will be sent via email to all sellers at the beginning of next week.
Please add any questions about this feature (along with any bug reports) to this
thread.

Bugs:

1. VAT is not calculated correctly. An item can't cost the same for a buyer
in Germany than a buyer in Hungary.

100€ sold to Germany would be 15.97 (19% VAT) leaving the seller 84.03 net
100€ sold to Spain would be 17.36 (21% VAT) leaving the seller 82.64 net
100€ sold to Hungary would be 21.26 (27% VAT) leaving the seller 78.74 net

The price of items should be calculated like this: (SellerListPrice/SellerVAT)*BuyerVAT

So for me it would be:
(100/1.21)*1.19 = 98.35 for German buyer
(100/1.21)*1.21 = 100 for Spanish buyer
(100/1.21)*1.27 = 104.96 for Hungary buyer

2. B2B transactions should be 0% VAT. As of now this is not possible because
when enabling the OSS the checkbox for VAT is disabled.

Just not disable it and we are good to work. VAT is responsibility of the seller.


These bugs are not suggestions, these are facts of how business work in Europe.

Thanks,
Sergio
Stellar Bricks

+1 Well summarized Sergio!

Only thing to add is that I think many of us are willing to test, verify or otherwise
help to fix this asap. Just let us know.
 Author: MT_Bricks View Messages Posted By MT_Bricks
 Posted: Nov 26, 2021 03:30
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In Administrative, Stellar writes:
  
  This message will be sent via email to all sellers at the beginning of next week.
Please add any questions about this feature (along with any bug reports) to this
thread.

Bugs:

1. VAT is not calculated correctly. An item can't cost the same for a buyer
in Germany than a buyer in Hungary.

100€ sold to Germany would be 15.97 (19% VAT) leaving the seller 84.03 net
100€ sold to Spain would be 17.36 (21% VAT) leaving the seller 82.64 net
100€ sold to Hungary would be 21.26 (27% VAT) leaving the seller 78.74 net

The price of items should be calculated like this: (SellerListPrice/SellerVAT)*BuyerVAT

So for me it would be:
(100/1.21)*1.19 = 98.35 for German buyer
(100/1.21)*1.21 = 100 for Spanish buyer
(100/1.21)*1.27 = 104.96 for Hungary buyer

2. B2B transactions should be 0% VAT. As of now this is not possible because
when enabling the OSS the checkbox for VAT is disabled.

Just not disable it and we are good to work. VAT is responsibility of the seller.


These bugs are not suggestions, these are facts of how business work in Europe.

Thanks,
Sergio
Stellar Bricks

Hi,

this is in my opinion also not 100% correct.
Regarding EU Regulation 2018/302
https://eur-lex.europa.eu/eli/reg/2018/302/oj

no one shall be discriminated against or disadvantaged on the grounds of nationality
or residence.

However, this would be the case with different net prices.

In my opinion, the correct and legal procedure would be for us as traders to
state the net prices and for the system to then add the respective VAT on top
of this.

On other marketplaces, this is implemented in exactly this way.

By B2B 100% agree. We need this option.
 Author: Teup View Messages Posted By Teup
 Posted: Nov 27, 2021 05:51
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In Administrative, MT_Bricks writes:
  In Administrative, Stellar writes:
  
  This message will be sent via email to all sellers at the beginning of next week.
Please add any questions about this feature (along with any bug reports) to this
thread.

Bugs:

1. VAT is not calculated correctly. An item can't cost the same for a buyer
in Germany than a buyer in Hungary.

100€ sold to Germany would be 15.97 (19% VAT) leaving the seller 84.03 net
100€ sold to Spain would be 17.36 (21% VAT) leaving the seller 82.64 net
100€ sold to Hungary would be 21.26 (27% VAT) leaving the seller 78.74 net

The price of items should be calculated like this: (SellerListPrice/SellerVAT)*BuyerVAT

So for me it would be:
(100/1.21)*1.19 = 98.35 for German buyer
(100/1.21)*1.21 = 100 for Spanish buyer
(100/1.21)*1.27 = 104.96 for Hungary buyer

2. B2B transactions should be 0% VAT. As of now this is not possible because
when enabling the OSS the checkbox for VAT is disabled.

Just not disable it and we are good to work. VAT is responsibility of the seller.


These bugs are not suggestions, these are facts of how business work in Europe.

Thanks,
Sergio
Stellar Bricks

Hi,

this is in my opinion also not 100% correct.
Regarding EU Regulation 2018/302
https://eur-lex.europa.eu/eli/reg/2018/302/oj

no one shall be discriminated against or disadvantaged on the grounds of nationality
or residence.

However, this would be the case with different net prices.

In my opinion, the correct and legal procedure would be for us as traders to
state the net prices and for the system to then add the respective VAT on top
of this.

On other marketplaces, this is implemented in exactly this way.

By B2B 100% agree. We need this option.

+1
Bricklink's 'solution' is not legal. They need to make it properly.
 Author: TDH_Bricks View Messages Posted By TDH_Bricks
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In Administrative, Teup writes:
  In Administrative, MT_Bricks writes:
  In Administrative, Stellar writes:
  
  This message will be sent via email to all sellers at the beginning of next week.
Please add any questions about this feature (along with any bug reports) to this
thread.

Bugs:

1. VAT is not calculated correctly. An item can't cost the same for a buyer
in Germany than a buyer in Hungary.

100€ sold to Germany would be 15.97 (19% VAT) leaving the seller 84.03 net
100€ sold to Spain would be 17.36 (21% VAT) leaving the seller 82.64 net
100€ sold to Hungary would be 21.26 (27% VAT) leaving the seller 78.74 net

The price of items should be calculated like this: (SellerListPrice/SellerVAT)*BuyerVAT

So for me it would be:
(100/1.21)*1.19 = 98.35 for German buyer
(100/1.21)*1.21 = 100 for Spanish buyer
(100/1.21)*1.27 = 104.96 for Hungary buyer

2. B2B transactions should be 0% VAT. As of now this is not possible because
when enabling the OSS the checkbox for VAT is disabled.

Just not disable it and we are good to work. VAT is responsibility of the seller.


These bugs are not suggestions, these are facts of how business work in Europe.

Thanks,
Sergio
Stellar Bricks

Hi,

this is in my opinion also not 100% correct.
Regarding EU Regulation 2018/302
https://eur-lex.europa.eu/eli/reg/2018/302/oj

no one shall be discriminated against or disadvantaged on the grounds of nationality
or residence.

However, this would be the case with different net prices.

In my opinion, the correct and legal procedure would be for us as traders to
state the net prices and for the system to then add the respective VAT on top
of this.

On other marketplaces, this is implemented in exactly this way.

By B2B 100% agree. We need this option.

+1
Bricklink's 'solution' is not legal. They need to make it properly.

+1
We will NOT SWITCH ON this feature on Bricklink as long as it is not corrected
as described by Stellar here.
*** We are OSS registered, do price recalculation to Buyers VAT rate and submited
first quarterly OSS VAT report in October 2021. ***
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In Administrative, TDH_Bricks writes:
  In Administrative, Teup writes:
  In Administrative, MT_Bricks writes:
  In Administrative, Stellar writes:
  
  This message will be sent via email to all sellers at the beginning of next week.
Please add any questions about this feature (along with any bug reports) to this
thread.

Bugs:

1. VAT is not calculated correctly. An item can't cost the same for a buyer
in Germany than a buyer in Hungary.

100€ sold to Germany would be 15.97 (19% VAT) leaving the seller 84.03 net
100€ sold to Spain would be 17.36 (21% VAT) leaving the seller 82.64 net
100€ sold to Hungary would be 21.26 (27% VAT) leaving the seller 78.74 net

The price of items should be calculated like this: (SellerListPrice/SellerVAT)*BuyerVAT

So for me it would be:
(100/1.21)*1.19 = 98.35 for German buyer
(100/1.21)*1.21 = 100 for Spanish buyer
(100/1.21)*1.27 = 104.96 for Hungary buyer

2. B2B transactions should be 0% VAT. As of now this is not possible because
when enabling the OSS the checkbox for VAT is disabled.

Just not disable it and we are good to work. VAT is responsibility of the seller.


These bugs are not suggestions, these are facts of how business work in Europe.

Thanks,
Sergio
Stellar Bricks

Hi,

this is in my opinion also not 100% correct.
Regarding EU Regulation 2018/302
https://eur-lex.europa.eu/eli/reg/2018/302/oj

no one shall be discriminated against or disadvantaged on the grounds of nationality
or residence.

However, this would be the case with different net prices.

In my opinion, the correct and legal procedure would be for us as traders to
state the net prices and for the system to then add the respective VAT on top
of this.

On other marketplaces, this is implemented in exactly this way.

By B2B 100% agree. We need this option.

+1
Bricklink's 'solution' is not legal. They need to make it properly.

+1
We will NOT SWITCH ON this feature on Bricklink as long as it is not corrected
as described by Stellar here.
*** We are OSS registered, do price recalculation to Buyers VAT rate and submited
first quarterly OSS VAT report in October 2021. ***

Sooo... Bricklink just went ahead and sent the release e-mail anyway, in spite
of all our replies.
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In Administrative, Teup writes:

  Sooo... Bricklink just went ahead and sent the release e-mail anyway, in spite
of all our replies.

Of course... And when BL deems you are over the threshold they basically shut
you down. Can one even count on BL's calculated sold amount to be correct?
Consider how this whole fiasco is going so far I would not count on it.
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In Administrative, bricksinbins writes:
  In Administrative, Teup writes:

  Sooo... Bricklink just went ahead and sent the release e-mail anyway, in spite
of all our replies.

Of course... And when BL deems you are over the threshold they basically shut
you down. Can one even count on BL's calculated sold amount to be correct?
Consider how this whole fiasco is going so far I would not count on it.

But since they don't, to my knowledge, show it anywhere there's no telling
when they deem you are over or near the threshold.
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In Administrative, bricksinbins writes:
  In Administrative, bricksinbins writes:
  In Administrative, Teup writes:

  Sooo... Bricklink just went ahead and sent the release e-mail anyway, in spite
of all our replies.

Of course... And when BL deems you are over the threshold they basically shut
you down. Can one even count on BL's calculated sold amount to be correct?
Consider how this whole fiasco is going so far I would not count on it.

But since they don't, to my knowledge, show it anywhere there's no telling
when they deem you are over or near the threshold.

Exactly. At this point I can really see them make silly mistakes like including
cancelled orders or VAT to make the calculation. Of course, I have my own adminstration,
so I know exactly how far I am from the threshold.
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In Administrative, MT_Bricks writes:
  In Administrative, Stellar writes:
  
  This message will be sent via email to all sellers at the beginning of next week.
Please add any questions about this feature (along with any bug reports) to this
thread.

Bugs:

1. VAT is not calculated correctly. An item can't cost the same for a buyer
in Germany than a buyer in Hungary.

100€ sold to Germany would be 15.97 (19% VAT) leaving the seller 84.03 net
100€ sold to Spain would be 17.36 (21% VAT) leaving the seller 82.64 net
100€ sold to Hungary would be 21.26 (27% VAT) leaving the seller 78.74 net

The price of items should be calculated like this: (SellerListPrice/SellerVAT)*BuyerVAT

So for me it would be:
(100/1.21)*1.19 = 98.35 for German buyer
(100/1.21)*1.21 = 100 for Spanish buyer
(100/1.21)*1.27 = 104.96 for Hungary buyer

2. B2B transactions should be 0% VAT. As of now this is not possible because
when enabling the OSS the checkbox for VAT is disabled.

Just not disable it and we are good to work. VAT is responsibility of the seller.


These bugs are not suggestions, these are facts of how business work in Europe.

Thanks,
Sergio
Stellar Bricks

Hi,

this is in my opinion also not 100% correct.
Regarding EU Regulation 2018/302
https://eur-lex.europa.eu/eli/reg/2018/302/oj

no one shall be discriminated against or disadvantaged on the grounds of nationality
or residence.

However, this would be the case with different net prices.

In my opinion, the correct and legal procedure would be for us as traders to
state the net prices and for the system to then add the respective VAT on top
of this.

On other marketplaces, this is implemented in exactly this way.

By B2B 100% agree. We need this option.


I agree 100% with all that has been said above.
This has to be fixed asap.

As a seller I will not enable this feature before it's fixed.
As a buyer I would like to be able to buy again (B2B) from stores who blocked
EU buyers, because the feature doesn't work as it should.

I really don't understand why it is implemented this way.
It proofs that Bricklink didn't read the comments that has been given on
the earlier thread:

https://www.bricklink.com/messageThread.asp?ID=306500&nID=1294893

July 14, 2021 08:05
When will Bricklink be ready for the different VAT % per EU-country.
DE sales have to include 19% VAT, BE & NL 21% VAT, etc.
VAT has to be added to the NET price. And it has to be optional, for this is
a seller's choice.

July 14, 2021 08:48
If my Sale price incl. 21% VAT is € 121, a German buyer should see a price of
€ 119 and receive an Invoice or Purchase notification of € 119, VAT 19% =
€ 19 over € 100 NET.

I also had contact with Stephen Wilhelm about this.

It took over 4 months to implement the opposite

Bricklink already lost a lot of fee on B2B sales the last 4 months.
Do they want to loose all sales within the EU?
 Author: Stellar View Messages Posted By Stellar
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In Administrative, Stellar writes:
  
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Please add any questions about this feature (along with any bug reports) to this
thread.

Bugs:

1. VAT is not calculated correctly. An item can't cost the same for a buyer
in Germany than a buyer in Hungary.

100€ sold to Germany would be 15.97 (19% VAT) leaving the seller 84.03 net
100€ sold to Spain would be 17.36 (21% VAT) leaving the seller 82.64 net
100€ sold to Hungary would be 21.26 (27% VAT) leaving the seller 78.74 net

The price of items should be calculated like this: (SellerListPrice/SellerVAT)*BuyerVAT

So for me it would be:
(100/1.21)*1.19 = 98.35 for German buyer
(100/1.21)*1.21 = 100 for Spanish buyer
(100/1.21)*1.27 = 104.96 for Hungary buyer

2. B2B transactions should be 0% VAT. As of now this is not possible because
when enabling the OSS the checkbox for VAT is disabled.

Just not disable it and we are good to work. VAT is responsibility of the seller.


These bugs are not suggestions, these are facts of how business work in Europe.

Thanks,
Sergio
Stellar Bricks

To all EU business sellers reading this:
DON'T ENABLE THIS "FEATURE" it doesn't work.

I had this feature enabled for a week and just disabled it as it doesn't
work as explained in my previous message.

Now I see BL sent the email to everyone and there isn't any reply here...

Sincerely,
Sergio
Stellar Bricks
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Location:  Lithuania, Panevėžys
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In Administrative, Stellar writes:
  
  This message will be sent via email to all sellers at the beginning of next week.
Please add any questions about this feature (along with any bug reports) to this
thread.

Bugs:

1. VAT is not calculated correctly. An item can't cost the same for a buyer
in Germany than a buyer in Hungary.

100€ sold to Germany would be 15.97 (19% VAT) leaving the seller 84.03 net
100€ sold to Spain would be 17.36 (21% VAT) leaving the seller 82.64 net
100€ sold to Hungary would be 21.26 (27% VAT) leaving the seller 78.74 net

The price of items should be calculated like this: (SellerListPrice/SellerVAT)*BuyerVAT

So for me it would be:
(100/1.21)*1.19 = 98.35 for German buyer
(100/1.21)*1.21 = 100 for Spanish buyer
(100/1.21)*1.27 = 104.96 for Hungary buyer

2. B2B transactions should be 0% VAT. As of now this is not possible because
when enabling the OSS the checkbox for VAT is disabled.

Just not disable it and we are good to work. VAT is responsibility of the seller.


These bugs are not suggestions, these are facts of how business work in Europe.

Thanks,
Sergio
Stellar Bricks

In regards to the visible prices for end-users in countries with different VAT
rates - I gave a call to my tax helpline and their answer was that Lithuanian
Tax Law does not state that the end-price must be the same. To me it was
explained that I can apply the OSS taxing in either way and that it is solely
up to me to decide how I wish to apply it. However. It was made clear that this
answer is strictly from the point of view of Tax Law. NOT from Consumer Law point
of view. They could not comment on the latter.

Thought this distinction should be made so to not confuse what exactly we are
discussing/complaining.

Point being - if I enable it, I will be fine from the VAT Law point of view.
Not sure about other types of law or regulations.

Now on to the bugs. First I would like to congratulate whoever was working on
the layout. You had one job to do and you butchered it. If you do not see why
- I honestly could not be bothered to explain but in all the seriousness - you
should be politely but rather strongly encouraged to do everyone a favour and
seek job opportunities elsewhere. Yes I am cranky today.

Layout issues aside - the form does not accept a valid OSS number. It spits out
the 'Please enter OSS number using only valid characters, letters and numbers.'.

You need to add a space to the allowed character pool. My VAT ID is LT100013393316
and my OSS number is LT 100013393316.
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Location:  Netherlands, Utrecht
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Store: BLOKJESKONING
In Administrative, enig writes:
  In Administrative, Stellar writes:
  
  This message will be sent via email to all sellers at the beginning of next week.
Please add any questions about this feature (along with any bug reports) to this
thread.

Bugs:

1. VAT is not calculated correctly. An item can't cost the same for a buyer
in Germany than a buyer in Hungary.

100€ sold to Germany would be 15.97 (19% VAT) leaving the seller 84.03 net
100€ sold to Spain would be 17.36 (21% VAT) leaving the seller 82.64 net
100€ sold to Hungary would be 21.26 (27% VAT) leaving the seller 78.74 net

The price of items should be calculated like this: (SellerListPrice/SellerVAT)*BuyerVAT

So for me it would be:
(100/1.21)*1.19 = 98.35 for German buyer
(100/1.21)*1.21 = 100 for Spanish buyer
(100/1.21)*1.27 = 104.96 for Hungary buyer

2. B2B transactions should be 0% VAT. As of now this is not possible because
when enabling the OSS the checkbox for VAT is disabled.

Just not disable it and we are good to work. VAT is responsibility of the seller.


These bugs are not suggestions, these are facts of how business work in Europe.

Thanks,
Sergio
Stellar Bricks

In regards to the visible prices for end-users in countries with different VAT
rates - I gave a call to my tax helpline and their answer was that Lithuanian
Tax Law does not state that the end-price must be the same. To me it was
explained that I can apply the OSS taxing in either way and that it is solely
up to me to decide how I wish to apply it. However. It was made clear that this
answer is strictly from the point of view of Tax Law. NOT from Consumer Law point
of view. They could not comment on the latter.

Thought this distinction should be made so to not confuse what exactly we are
discussing/complaining.

Point being - if I enable it, I will be fine from the VAT Law point of view.
Not sure about other types of law or regulations.

Good that you add this distinction, because yes, from a tax point of view it
makes sense that that in and of itself is fine. However, there could be one slight
tax related problem : In case you calculate COGS (cost of goods sold) based on
your turnover. With this .... creative "solution" that Bricklink came up with,
they took the liberty to make turnover variable - profit will depend on who you
sell to. Now, I don't think the tax agency over here will go crazy over a
few percent inaccuracy, but still. It makes things variable, when first they
were fixed.

Anyway, yes, I think the main issue is price discrimination which is about consumer
legislation. So if ever we get an audit from a tax agency, they shouldn't
be looking into how our business works, how we treat our customers, etc. For
all they care, we could be scammers The numbers just need to add up. It's
going to be mostly Bricklink that's in trouble, in case some non tax related
authority checks the way business is conducted here.

Either way, Bricklink just needs to go back to the drawing board and roll out
a proper feature.
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Location:  Spain, Comunidad Valenciana
Member Since Contact Type Status
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Store: Stellar Bricks
BrickLink Discussions Moderator (?)
In Administrative, Stellar writes:
  
  This message will be sent via email to all sellers at the beginning of next week.
Please add any questions about this feature (along with any bug reports) to this
thread.

Bugs:

1. VAT is not calculated correctly. An item can't cost the same for a buyer
in Germany than a buyer in Hungary.

100€ sold to Germany would be 15.97 (19% VAT) leaving the seller 84.03 net
100€ sold to Spain would be 17.36 (21% VAT) leaving the seller 82.64 net
100€ sold to Hungary would be 21.26 (27% VAT) leaving the seller 78.74 net

The price of items should be calculated like this: (SellerListPrice/SellerVAT)*BuyerVAT

So for me it would be:
(100/1.21)*1.19 = 98.35 for German buyer
(100/1.21)*1.21 = 100 for Spanish buyer
(100/1.21)*1.27 = 104.96 for Hungary buyer

2. B2B transactions should be 0% VAT. As of now this is not possible because
when enabling the OSS the checkbox for VAT is disabled.

Just not disable it and we are good to work. VAT is responsibility of the seller.


These bugs are not suggestions, these are facts of how business work in Europe.

Thanks,
Sergio
Stellar Bricks

As an update, I opened 2 tickets on the help desk for this topic, one for each
of the described "bugs", and now I see they are merged into one ticket, but still
without comments from BL.

I emailed them to Steve too just in case.
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Location:  Netherlands, Utrecht
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Store: BLOKJESKONING
In Administrative, Stellar writes:
  In Administrative, Stellar writes:
  
  This message will be sent via email to all sellers at the beginning of next week.
Please add any questions about this feature (along with any bug reports) to this
thread.

Bugs:

1. VAT is not calculated correctly. An item can't cost the same for a buyer
in Germany than a buyer in Hungary.

100€ sold to Germany would be 15.97 (19% VAT) leaving the seller 84.03 net
100€ sold to Spain would be 17.36 (21% VAT) leaving the seller 82.64 net
100€ sold to Hungary would be 21.26 (27% VAT) leaving the seller 78.74 net

The price of items should be calculated like this: (SellerListPrice/SellerVAT)*BuyerVAT

So for me it would be:
(100/1.21)*1.19 = 98.35 for German buyer
(100/1.21)*1.21 = 100 for Spanish buyer
(100/1.21)*1.27 = 104.96 for Hungary buyer

2. B2B transactions should be 0% VAT. As of now this is not possible because
when enabling the OSS the checkbox for VAT is disabled.

Just not disable it and we are good to work. VAT is responsibility of the seller.


These bugs are not suggestions, these are facts of how business work in Europe.

Thanks,
Sergio
Stellar Bricks

As an update, I opened 2 tickets on the help desk for this topic, one for each
of the described "bugs", and now I see they are merged into one ticket, but still
without comments from BL.

I emailed them to Steve too just in case.

Any updates?

Bricklink, seriously. Your silence is offensive.
 Author: Snoopy34497 View Messages Posted By Snoopy34497
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Location:  Germany, Hessen
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Store: KB Bricks
I wanted to activate the feature today and turned it off again after I noticed
the error. It is only surprising that no one from Bricklink comments on this
topic here. But this is not the only problem, for buyers in the UK the VAT-free
shipping costs are also taxed ... so it remains like in the middle ages to manually
calculate the corresponding tax.
In Administrative, Admin_Russell writes:
  Dear BrickLink Members,

We have released our Distance Selling feature for sellers who plan to or have
reached the EUR annual 10 000 distance sale of goods threshold. To see where
your current BrickLink sales totals are, you can download the order information
here:

https://www.bricklink.com/orderExcel.asp?orderType=received

To turn this feature on, navigate to your Store Settings page and enable distance
selling. You will be asked to enter your One Stop Shop (OSS) number:

https://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs/business/vat/oss_en

or foreign VAT registration information and provide valid documentation. Once
enabled, the prices of your items will remain the same on your storefront, however
the VAT rate charged and collected will be changed to match the country’s rate
in which the buyer is located.

This has been implemented to comply with the new EU marketplace regulations.
For more information, please see the European Commission article on this topic
here:

https://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs/business/vat/online-sellers_en

You can find additional guidance on the BrickLink EU Marketplace Changes Help
Page:

https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=2517

This message will be sent via email to all sellers at the beginning of next week.
Please add any questions about this feature (along with any bug reports) to this
thread.

Thank you,

The BrickLink Team
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Location:  Germany, Hessen
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Store: KB Bricks
I wanted to activate the feature today and turned it off again after I noticed
the error. It is only surprising that no one from Bricklink comments on this
topic here. But this is not the only problem, for buyers in the UK the VAT-free
shipping costs are also taxed ... so it remains like in the middle ages to manually
calculate the corresponding tax.
In Administrative, Admin_Russell writes:
  Dear BrickLink Members,

We have released our Distance Selling feature for sellers who plan to or have
reached the EUR annual 10 000 distance sale of goods threshold. To see where
your current BrickLink sales totals are, you can download the order information
here:

https://www.bricklink.com/orderExcel.asp?orderType=received

To turn this feature on, navigate to your Store Settings page and enable distance
selling. You will be asked to enter your One Stop Shop (OSS) number:

https://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs/business/vat/oss_en

or foreign VAT registration information and provide valid documentation. Once
enabled, the prices of your items will remain the same on your storefront, however
the VAT rate charged and collected will be changed to match the country’s rate
in which the buyer is located.

This has been implemented to comply with the new EU marketplace regulations.
For more information, please see the European Commission article on this topic
here:

https://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs/business/vat/online-sellers_en

You can find additional guidance on the BrickLink EU Marketplace Changes Help
Page:

https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=2517

This message will be sent via email to all sellers at the beginning of next week.
Please add any questions about this feature (along with any bug reports) to this
thread.

Thank you,

The BrickLink Team
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Location:  Finland, Pohjanmaa
Member Since Contact Type Status
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Store: Bricks in Bins
In Administrative, Admin_Russell writes:
  Dear BrickLink Members,

We have released our Distance Selling feature for sellers who plan to or have
reached the EUR annual 10 000 distance sale of goods threshold. To see where
your current BrickLink sales totals are, you can download the order information
here:

https://www.bricklink.com/orderExcel.asp?orderType=received

The BrickLink Team

I fail to see how that page tells me how much I have sold for to rest of EU.
If you already have this number for yourself, why not display it on the seller's
management page?
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Location:  Belgium
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Store: new_land_store
In Administrative, Admin_Russell writes:
  Dear BrickLink Members,

We have released our Distance Selling feature for sellers who plan to or have
reached the EUR annual 10 000 distance sale of goods threshold. To see where
your current BrickLink sales totals are, you can download the order information
here:

https://www.bricklink.com/orderExcel.asp?orderType=received

To turn this feature on, navigate to your Store Settings page and enable distance
selling. You will be asked to enter your One Stop Shop (OSS) number:

https://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs/business/vat/oss_en

or foreign VAT registration information and provide valid documentation. Once
enabled, the prices of your items will remain the same on your storefront, however
the VAT rate charged and collected will be changed to match the country’s rate
in which the buyer is located.

This has been implemented to comply with the new EU marketplace regulations.
For more information, please see the European Commission article on this topic
here:

https://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs/business/vat/online-sellers_en

You can find additional guidance on the BrickLink EU Marketplace Changes Help
Page:

https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=2517

This message will be sent via email to all sellers at the beginning of next week.
Please add any questions about this feature (along with any bug reports) to this
thread.

Thank you,

The BrickLink Team

There should be a way to opt out entirely and automatically stay under the 10k
limit. Sellers that use a VAT exemption scheme and want to stay under the 10k
limit have to continuously monitor their revenue and close their store (or disable
international shipping) as soon as they are nearing the 10k limit (which I just
did because I'm at 9700€). This seems ridiculous and doesn't even guarantee
you won't hit the 10k limit because if you're at 9500€ and someone places
a 501€ order, you're screwed.

This whole thing completely ignores the existence of VAT exemption schemes and
will only push small sellers away from bricklink.
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Location:  Netherlands, Utrecht
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Store: BLOKJESKONING
In Administrative, ccc_V writes:
  In Administrative, Admin_Russell writes:
  Dear BrickLink Members,

We have released our Distance Selling feature for sellers who plan to or have
reached the EUR annual 10 000 distance sale of goods threshold. To see where
your current BrickLink sales totals are, you can download the order information
here:

https://www.bricklink.com/orderExcel.asp?orderType=received

To turn this feature on, navigate to your Store Settings page and enable distance
selling. You will be asked to enter your One Stop Shop (OSS) number:

https://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs/business/vat/oss_en

or foreign VAT registration information and provide valid documentation. Once
enabled, the prices of your items will remain the same on your storefront, however
the VAT rate charged and collected will be changed to match the country’s rate
in which the buyer is located.

This has been implemented to comply with the new EU marketplace regulations.
For more information, please see the European Commission article on this topic
here:

https://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs/business/vat/online-sellers_en

You can find additional guidance on the BrickLink EU Marketplace Changes Help
Page:

https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=2517

This message will be sent via email to all sellers at the beginning of next week.
Please add any questions about this feature (along with any bug reports) to this
thread.

Thank you,

The BrickLink Team

There should be a way to opt out entirely and automatically stay under the 10k
limit. Sellers that use a VAT exemption scheme and want to stay under the 10k
limit have to continuously monitor their revenue and close their store (or disable
international shipping) as soon as they are nearing the 10k limit (which I just
did because I'm at 9700€). This seems ridiculous and doesn't even guarantee
you won't hit the 10k limit because if you're at 9500€ and someone places
a 501€ order, you're screwed.

This whole thing completely ignores the existence of VAT exemption schemes and
will only push small sellers away from bricklink.

Good point really, it should simply disallow orders over the threshold as long
as no registration is submitted. Passing the limit and only then having to make
a registation is something nobody wants - neither Bricklink nor the members.
Of course, that would require some programming because buyers need to see the
store doesn't ship to them (anymore) - which kind of eliminates the chance
that Bricklink will do it like that.
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Location:  Netherlands, Gelderland
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In Administrative, ccc_V writes:
  In Administrative, Admin_Russell writes:
  Dear BrickLink Members,

We have released our Distance Selling feature for sellers who plan to or have
reached the EUR annual 10 000 distance sale of goods threshold. To see where
your current BrickLink sales totals are, you can download the order information
here:

https://www.bricklink.com/orderExcel.asp?orderType=received

To turn this feature on, navigate to your Store Settings page and enable distance
selling. You will be asked to enter your One Stop Shop (OSS) number:

https://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs/business/vat/oss_en

or foreign VAT registration information and provide valid documentation. Once
enabled, the prices of your items will remain the same on your storefront, however
the VAT rate charged and collected will be changed to match the country’s rate
in which the buyer is located.

This has been implemented to comply with the new EU marketplace regulations.
For more information, please see the European Commission article on this topic
here:

https://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs/business/vat/online-sellers_en

You can find additional guidance on the BrickLink EU Marketplace Changes Help
Page:

https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=2517

This message will be sent via email to all sellers at the beginning of next week.
Please add any questions about this feature (along with any bug reports) to this
thread.

Thank you,

The BrickLink Team

There should be a way to opt out entirely and automatically stay under the 10k
limit. Sellers that use a VAT exemption scheme and want to stay under the 10k
limit have to continuously monitor their revenue and close their store (or disable
international shipping) as soon as they are nearing the 10k limit (which I just
did because I'm at 9700€). This seems ridiculous and doesn't even guarantee
you won't hit the 10k limit because if you're at 9500€ and someone places
a 501€ order, you're screwed.

This whole thing completely ignores the existence of VAT exemption schemes and




  will only push small sellers away from bricklink.

Maybe that's what they want?!
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Store: BLOKJESKONING
In Administrative, Admin_Russell writes:
  Dear BrickLink Members,

We have released our Distance Selling feature for sellers who plan to or have
reached the EUR annual 10 000 distance sale of goods threshold. To see where
your current BrickLink sales totals are, you can download the order information
here:

https://www.bricklink.com/orderExcel.asp?orderType=received

To turn this feature on, navigate to your Store Settings page and enable distance
selling. You will be asked to enter your One Stop Shop (OSS) number:

https://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs/business/vat/oss_en

or foreign VAT registration information and provide valid documentation. Once
enabled, the prices of your items will remain the same on your storefront, however
the VAT rate charged and collected will be changed to match the country’s rate
in which the buyer is located.

This has been implemented to comply with the new EU marketplace regulations.
For more information, please see the European Commission article on this topic
here:

https://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs/business/vat/online-sellers_en

You can find additional guidance on the BrickLink EU Marketplace Changes Help
Page:

https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=2517

This message will be sent via email to all sellers at the beginning of next week.
Please add any questions about this feature (along with any bug reports) to this
thread.

Thank you,

The BrickLink Team

Wow, still silence?

Bricklink, please come forward with a statement. The year is soon over. Please,
please, please let us know ASAP if you ARE or ARE NOT going to
be in time before the end of the year rolling out a proper implementation of
this feature.

If yes, I will register for the OSS and modify my software for the next year,
if not, I am going to have to stay under the threshold and should keep my software
in its old form. I need A. the ability to turn off VAT and B. the ability to
sell without breaking laws on price discrimination.

And I can imagine many other sellers need an update too.
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Location:  France, Provence-Alpes-Côte d'Azur
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Store: 1001bricks
Hi!

I strongly support what others wrote here; we in Europe need to be able to manage
B2B orders.
IOSS or not, but with the legal choice to account VAT or not.

Concerning our shop, those B2B sales represent approx 10 to 15% of our recent
yearly sales.

I guess that it's even higher for bulk/wholesalers - like those in Germany,
Netherlands, Poland, Czech Rep, Hungary, in no specific order - etc.

Also, forgive me if I remind you that B2B may represent *more than a double income*
for BrickLink: you get BrickLink fees when a shop is buying PLUS an higher fee
when the shop is reselling at higher price...

In short: for the sake of all of us, including yours - see above - PLEASE do
consider IOSS (which is mandatory) along with a VAT check box exclusion (or such
feature), which is also mandatory, in case of B2B transactions.


Thank you!

PS: While I'm still reading Forum for now 15 years (yes!), I've voluntarily
been off of it those last years for personal reasons (too few time...)
But now this feature / decision directly concerns us and many others - including
friendly shop owners here (hi !) - it forces me to post again.

Please all of you who remember my zillion posts please thank you, you wonderful
people - wishing you the best.

Sylvain
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In Administrative, 1001bricks writes:
  Hi!

I strongly support what others wrote here; we in Europe need to be able to manage
B2B orders.
IOSS or not, but with the legal choice to account VAT or not.

Concerning our shop, those B2B sales represent approx 10 to 15% of our recent
yearly sales.

I guess that it's even higher for bulk/wholesalers - like those in Germany,
Netherlands, Poland, Czech Rep, Hungary, in no specific order - etc.

Also, forgive me if I remind you that B2B may represent *more than a double income*
for BrickLink: you get BrickLink fees when a shop is buying PLUS an higher fee
when the shop is reselling at higher price...

In short: for the sake of all of us, including yours - see above - PLEASE do
consider IOSS (which is mandatory) along with a VAT check box exclusion (or such
feature), which is also mandatory, in case of B2B transactions.


Thank you!

PS: While I'm still reading Forum for now 15 years (yes!), I've voluntarily
been off of it those last years for personal reasons (too few time...)
But now this feature / decision directly concerns us and many others - including
friendly shop owners here (hi !) - it forces me to post again.

Please all of you who remember my zillion posts please thank you, you wonderful
people - wishing you the best.

Sylvain

Everything that concerns VAT is a mess.

- EU VAT has to be calculated on NET price
- B2B as said (no VAT-id registered on Store Terms Page)
- Price Guide is a mess, within EU it's registered with VAT and outside EU
without VAT, while my sale price is in both cases exactly the same

The first problem shouldn't be there in the first place, because it has been
on the forum 6 months ago, HOW it should be done. And now there are no replies
at all from Bricklink.
I really don't know what to do, I didn't register for OSS yet.
Thinking about removing EU shipping every year when I'm about to reach the
10.000

$$$$$
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Store: Leggodt.nl
In Administrative, TakeAbricK writes:
  In Administrative, 1001bricks writes:
  Hi!

I strongly support what others wrote here; we in Europe need to be able to manage
B2B orders.
IOSS or not, but with the legal choice to account VAT or not.

Concerning our shop, those B2B sales represent approx 10 to 15% of our recent
yearly sales.

I guess that it's even higher for bulk/wholesalers - like those in Germany,
Netherlands, Poland, Czech Rep, Hungary, in no specific order - etc.

Also, forgive me if I remind you that B2B may represent *more than a double income*
for BrickLink: you get BrickLink fees when a shop is buying PLUS an higher fee
when the shop is reselling at higher price...

In short: for the sake of all of us, including yours - see above - PLEASE do
consider IOSS (which is mandatory) along with a VAT check box exclusion (or such
feature), which is also mandatory, in case of B2B transactions.


Thank you!

PS: While I'm still reading Forum for now 15 years (yes!), I've voluntarily
been off of it those last years for personal reasons (too few time...)
But now this feature / decision directly concerns us and many others - including
friendly shop owners here (hi !) - it forces me to post again.

Please all of you who remember my zillion posts please thank you, you wonderful
people - wishing you the best.

Sylvain

Everything that concerns VAT is a mess.

- EU VAT has to be calculated on NET price
- B2B as said (no VAT-id registered on Store Terms Page)
- Price Guide is a mess, within EU it's registered with VAT and outside EU
without VAT, while my sale price is in both cases exactly the same

The first problem shouldn't be there in the first place, because it has been
on the forum 6 months ago, HOW it should be done. And now there are no replies
at all from Bricklink.
I really don't know what to do, I didn't register for OSS yet.
Thinking about removing EU shipping every year when I'm about to reach the
10.000

$$$$$

It all seems quite clear... BrickLink complies with law as far as they absolutely
need to, but that is about it. Sellers position is not interesting, and why should
it? It seems to me TLG is more interested in selling directly from them, then
selling indirectly through BrickLink. The profit resellers make on BrickLink
is a loss for TLG. So... discourage selelrs on BrickLink.

Move away is what it suggest, implicitly.

Well.. there are alternatives.
 Author: TakeAbricK View Messages Posted By TakeAbricK
 Posted: Dec 15, 2021 03:34
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Location:  Netherlands, Gelderland
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Store: TakeAbricK
BrickLink Inventories Administrator (?)
In Administrative, patpendlego writes:
  In Administrative, TakeAbricK writes:
  In Administrative, 1001bricks writes:
  Hi!

I strongly support what others wrote here; we in Europe need to be able to manage
B2B orders.
IOSS or not, but with the legal choice to account VAT or not.

Concerning our shop, those B2B sales represent approx 10 to 15% of our recent
yearly sales.

I guess that it's even higher for bulk/wholesalers - like those in Germany,
Netherlands, Poland, Czech Rep, Hungary, in no specific order - etc.

Also, forgive me if I remind you that B2B may represent *more than a double income*
for BrickLink: you get BrickLink fees when a shop is buying PLUS an higher fee
when the shop is reselling at higher price...

In short: for the sake of all of us, including yours - see above - PLEASE do
consider IOSS (which is mandatory) along with a VAT check box exclusion (or such
feature), which is also mandatory, in case of B2B transactions.


Thank you!

PS: While I'm still reading Forum for now 15 years (yes!), I've voluntarily
been off of it those last years for personal reasons (too few time...)
But now this feature / decision directly concerns us and many others - including
friendly shop owners here (hi !) - it forces me to post again.

Please all of you who remember my zillion posts please thank you, you wonderful
people - wishing you the best.

Sylvain

Everything that concerns VAT is a mess.

- EU VAT has to be calculated on NET price
- B2B as said (no VAT-id registered on Store Terms Page)
- Price Guide is a mess, within EU it's registered with VAT and outside EU
without VAT, while my sale price is in both cases exactly the same

The first problem shouldn't be there in the first place, because it has been
on the forum 6 months ago, HOW it should be done. And now there are no replies
at all from Bricklink.
I really don't know what to do, I didn't register for OSS yet.
Thinking about removing EU shipping every year when I'm about to reach the
10.000

$$$$$

It all seems quite clear... BrickLink complies with law as far as they absolutely
need to, but that is about it. Sellers position is not interesting, and why should
it? It seems to me TLG is more interested in selling directly from them, then
selling indirectly through BrickLink. The profit resellers make on BrickLink
is a loss for TLG. So... discourage selelrs on BrickLink.

Why would this be a loss for TLG? Alle Lego that is sold on Bricklink comes from
TLG.
As I see it, they earn an extra 3% (on a much higher price) for every part they
ever sold from every seller on Bricklink. A lot of parts are even sold several
times. They are also still making profit on parts that they produced in the 50's,
etc.

Imo TLG earns a lot on every single part they produce.

  
Move away is what it suggest, implicitly.

Well.. there are alternatives.
 Author: leggodtshop View Messages Posted By leggodtshop
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Store: Leggodt.nl
In Administrative, TakeAbricK writes:
  In Administrative, patpendlego writes:
  In Administrative, TakeAbricK writes:
  In Administrative, 1001bricks writes:
  Hi!

I strongly support what others wrote here; we in Europe need to be able to manage
B2B orders.
IOSS or not, but with the legal choice to account VAT or not.

Concerning our shop, those B2B sales represent approx 10 to 15% of our recent
yearly sales.

I guess that it's even higher for bulk/wholesalers - like those in Germany,
Netherlands, Poland, Czech Rep, Hungary, in no specific order - etc.

Also, forgive me if I remind you that B2B may represent *more than a double income*
for BrickLink: you get BrickLink fees when a shop is buying PLUS an higher fee
when the shop is reselling at higher price...

In short: for the sake of all of us, including yours - see above - PLEASE do
consider IOSS (which is mandatory) along with a VAT check box exclusion (or such
feature), which is also mandatory, in case of B2B transactions.


Thank you!

PS: While I'm still reading Forum for now 15 years (yes!), I've voluntarily
been off of it those last years for personal reasons (too few time...)
But now this feature / decision directly concerns us and many others - including
friendly shop owners here (hi !) - it forces me to post again.

Please all of you who remember my zillion posts please thank you, you wonderful
people - wishing you the best.

Sylvain

Everything that concerns VAT is a mess.

- EU VAT has to be calculated on NET price
- B2B as said (no VAT-id registered on Store Terms Page)
- Price Guide is a mess, within EU it's registered with VAT and outside EU
without VAT, while my sale price is in both cases exactly the same

The first problem shouldn't be there in the first place, because it has been
on the forum 6 months ago, HOW it should be done. And now there are no replies
at all from Bricklink.
I really don't know what to do, I didn't register for OSS yet.
Thinking about removing EU shipping every year when I'm about to reach the
10.000

$$$$$

It all seems quite clear... BrickLink complies with law as far as they absolutely
need to, but that is about it. Sellers position is not interesting, and why should
it? It seems to me TLG is more interested in selling directly from them, then
selling indirectly through BrickLink. The profit resellers make on BrickLink
is a loss for TLG. So... discourage selelrs on BrickLink.

Why would this be a loss for TLG? Alle Lego that is sold on Bricklink comes from
TLG.
As I see it, they earn an extra 3% (on a much higher price) for every part they
ever sold from every seller on Bricklink. A lot of parts are even sold several
times. They are also still making profit on parts that they produced in the 50's,
etc.

Profit on direct sales is higher then profit on indirect sales.

It is nonetheless a weird situation that TLG first sells directly to resellers
and then earn 3% fee on sales by those resellers on the SAME item!

Do they count direct sales to resellers as turn-over and profit? Although these
items are not sold to consumers? If TLG would be registered on the NY stock exchange
they would have a major issue on this, because it is not real turn-over or profit.
The items are just lying around with resellers. And TLG owns the OMP those resellers
are active on. Weird.


  
Imo TLG earns a lot on every single part they produce.

  
Move away is what it suggest, implicitly.

Well.. there are alternatives.
 Author: Teup View Messages Posted By Teup
 Posted: Dec 15, 2021 06:14
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Location:  Netherlands, Utrecht
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Store: BLOKJESKONING
In Administrative, patpendlego writes:
  In Administrative, TakeAbricK writes:
  In Administrative, patpendlego writes:
  In Administrative, TakeAbricK writes:
  In Administrative, 1001bricks writes:
  Hi!

I strongly support what others wrote here; we in Europe need to be able to manage
B2B orders.
IOSS or not, but with the legal choice to account VAT or not.

Concerning our shop, those B2B sales represent approx 10 to 15% of our recent
yearly sales.

I guess that it's even higher for bulk/wholesalers - like those in Germany,
Netherlands, Poland, Czech Rep, Hungary, in no specific order - etc.

Also, forgive me if I remind you that B2B may represent *more than a double income*
for BrickLink: you get BrickLink fees when a shop is buying PLUS an higher fee
when the shop is reselling at higher price...

In short: for the sake of all of us, including yours - see above - PLEASE do
consider IOSS (which is mandatory) along with a VAT check box exclusion (or such
feature), which is also mandatory, in case of B2B transactions.


Thank you!

PS: While I'm still reading Forum for now 15 years (yes!), I've voluntarily
been off of it those last years for personal reasons (too few time...)
But now this feature / decision directly concerns us and many others - including
friendly shop owners here (hi !) - it forces me to post again.

Please all of you who remember my zillion posts please thank you, you wonderful
people - wishing you the best.

Sylvain

Everything that concerns VAT is a mess.

- EU VAT has to be calculated on NET price
- B2B as said (no VAT-id registered on Store Terms Page)
- Price Guide is a mess, within EU it's registered with VAT and outside EU
without VAT, while my sale price is in both cases exactly the same

The first problem shouldn't be there in the first place, because it has been
on the forum 6 months ago, HOW it should be done. And now there are no replies
at all from Bricklink.
I really don't know what to do, I didn't register for OSS yet.
Thinking about removing EU shipping every year when I'm about to reach the
10.000

$$$$$

It all seems quite clear... BrickLink complies with law as far as they absolutely
need to, but that is about it. Sellers position is not interesting, and why should
it? It seems to me TLG is more interested in selling directly from them, then
selling indirectly through BrickLink. The profit resellers make on BrickLink
is a loss for TLG. So... discourage selelrs on BrickLink.

Why would this be a loss for TLG? Alle Lego that is sold on Bricklink comes from
TLG.
As I see it, they earn an extra 3% (on a much higher price) for every part they
ever sold from every seller on Bricklink. A lot of parts are even sold several
times. They are also still making profit on parts that they produced in the 50's,
etc.

Profit on direct sales is higher then profit on indirect sales.

It is nonetheless a weird situation that TLG first sells directly to resellers
and then earn 3% fee on sales by those resellers on the SAME item!

Do they count direct sales to resellers as turn-over and profit? Although these
items are not sold to consumers? If TLG would be registered on the NY stock exchange
they would have a major issue on this, because it is not real turn-over or profit.
The items are just lying around with resellers. And TLG owns the OMP those resellers
are active on. Weird.


  
Imo TLG earns a lot on every single part they produce.

  
Move away is what it suggest, implicitly.

Well.. there are alternatives.

Bricklink is a place for selling and buying Lego, that appears to think the part
where you can actually buy stuff properly, as well as the part where you can
actually sell stuff properly, are overrated. I don't think there's any
rationale behind any of it, it's just Bricklink's empty cockpit again.
I think the simple answer is that currently there are no people who have an immediate
interest in a prospering Bricklink. The people who work there simply want job
security, and seem OK with spending their working hours in this stagnant system,
and TLG hasn't really taken the lead yet - on purpose, because they respect
Bricklink and the AFOL community and want to watch it from a distance before
changing anything. Maybe once the new head of Bricklink is properly installed,
the cockpit will, finally after all these years, no longer be empty and we might
see a bit of vision.

For now, I'm also very happy to sell outside of Bricklink. It's just
very annoying that this 10K limit is for your whole business, so having to stay
under it because of Bricklink's mess-ups means you have to do that both on
and off Bricklink, so it's also impacting our business outside of Bricklink.
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Store: Leggodt.nl
In Administrative, Teup writes:
  Bricklink is a place for selling and buying Lego, that appears to think the part
where you can actually buy stuff properly, as well as the part where you can
actually sell stuff properly, are overrated. I don't think there's any
rationale behind any of it, it's just Bricklink's empty cockpit again.
I think the simple answer is that currently there are no people who have an immediate
interest in a prospering Bricklink. The people who work there simply want job
security, and seem OK with spending their working hours in this stagnant system,
and TLG hasn't really taken the lead yet - on purpose, because they respect
Bricklink and the AFOL community and want to watch it from a distance before
changing anything. Maybe once the new head of Bricklink is properly installed,
the cockpit will, finally after all these years, no longer be empty and we might
see a bit of vision.

For now, I'm also very happy to sell outside of Bricklink. It's just
very annoying that this 10K limit is for your whole business, so having to stay
under it because of Bricklink's mess-ups means you have to do that both on
and off Bricklink, so it's also impacting our business outside of Bricklink.

Ik doe mee aan de KOR, de omzetgrens ligt dan op 20.000 euro.
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Store: BLOKJESKONING
In Administrative, Admin_Russell writes:
  Dear BrickLink Members,

We have released our Distance Selling feature for sellers who plan to or have
reached the EUR annual 10 000 distance sale of goods threshold. To see where
your current BrickLink sales totals are, you can download the order information
here:

https://www.bricklink.com/orderExcel.asp?orderType=received

To turn this feature on, navigate to your Store Settings page and enable distance
selling. You will be asked to enter your One Stop Shop (OSS) number:

https://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs/business/vat/oss_en

or foreign VAT registration information and provide valid documentation. Once
enabled, the prices of your items will remain the same on your storefront, however
the VAT rate charged and collected will be changed to match the country’s rate
in which the buyer is located.

This has been implemented to comply with the new EU marketplace regulations.
For more information, please see the European Commission article on this topic
here:

https://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs/business/vat/online-sellers_en

You can find additional guidance on the BrickLink EU Marketplace Changes Help
Page:

https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=2517

This message will be sent via email to all sellers at the beginning of next week.
Please add any questions about this feature (along with any bug reports) to this
thread.

Thank you,

The BrickLink Team

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Store: BLOKJESKONING
In Administrative, Admin_Russell writes:
  Dear BrickLink Members,

We have released our Distance Selling feature for sellers who plan to or have
reached the EUR annual 10 000 distance sale of goods threshold. To see where
your current BrickLink sales totals are, you can download the order information
here:

https://www.bricklink.com/orderExcel.asp?orderType=received

To turn this feature on, navigate to your Store Settings page and enable distance
selling. You will be asked to enter your One Stop Shop (OSS) number:

https://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs/business/vat/oss_en

or foreign VAT registration information and provide valid documentation. Once
enabled, the prices of your items will remain the same on your storefront, however
the VAT rate charged and collected will be changed to match the country’s rate
in which the buyer is located.

This has been implemented to comply with the new EU marketplace regulations.
For more information, please see the European Commission article on this topic
here:

https://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs/business/vat/online-sellers_en

You can find additional guidance on the BrickLink EU Marketplace Changes Help
Page:

https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=2517

This message will be sent via email to all sellers at the beginning of next week.
Please add any questions about this feature (along with any bug reports) to this
thread.

Thank you,

The BrickLink Team

Bricklink, we really need a response now. It's becoming very awkward for
Bricklink and offensive for the sellers.
Simply tell us: Will the bugs be fixed or will they not be fixed. I need to know
whether I need to register for OSS and modify my software before January 1 or
not. Sellers need to be informed and be able to make a decision.
 Author: leggodtshop View Messages Posted By leggodtshop
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Location:  Netherlands, Overijssel
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Store: Leggodt.nl
In Administrative, Teup writes:
  In Administrative, Admin_Russell writes:
  Dear BrickLink Members,

We have released our Distance Selling feature for sellers who plan to or have
reached the EUR annual 10 000 distance sale of goods threshold. To see where
your current BrickLink sales totals are, you can download the order information
here:

https://www.bricklink.com/orderExcel.asp?orderType=received

To turn this feature on, navigate to your Store Settings page and enable distance
selling. You will be asked to enter your One Stop Shop (OSS) number:

https://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs/business/vat/oss_en

or foreign VAT registration information and provide valid documentation. Once
enabled, the prices of your items will remain the same on your storefront, however
the VAT rate charged and collected will be changed to match the country’s rate
in which the buyer is located.

This has been implemented to comply with the new EU marketplace regulations.
For more information, please see the European Commission article on this topic
here:

https://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs/business/vat/online-sellers_en

You can find additional guidance on the BrickLink EU Marketplace Changes Help
Page:

https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=2517

This message will be sent via email to all sellers at the beginning of next week.
Please add any questions about this feature (along with any bug reports) to this
thread.

Thank you,

The BrickLink Team

Bricklink, we really need a response now. It's becoming very awkward for
Bricklink and offensive for the sellers.
Simply tell us: Will the bugs be fixed or will they not be fixed. I need to know
whether I need to register for OSS and modify my software before January 1 or
not. Sellers need to be informed and be able to make a decision.

It is not as if they are on holiday or something...
https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1318023

I would think with such an important feature like Distance Selling and it's
deadline, that it would be accompanied by solid explanations and quick bug fixing!

All in all I've reduced my sales on BrickLink during this and the previous
year, with the idea to "sit out" all changes but it seems to go on and on. Are
they really interested?

Anyway, alternatives are popping up and they thrive
 Author: CE_Tanja View Messages Posted By CE_Tanja
 Posted: Dec 15, 2021 13:10
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BrickLink Administrator
Dear all,

We are sorry for the lack of reply to this thread, we understand that this is
causing a lot of frustration and is leaving a lot of questions unanswered.

We are currently working with our Tax partners to make sure we provide proper
responses and guidance, unfortunately it is a complex matter and taking longer
than we had hoped for.

Once we are able to answer your questions we will share them in this thread.

We will also be inviting everyone to an online call in the beginning of January,
in this call we will elaborate on the issues raised and it will be possible to
ask further questions.

Thank you for your patience.

In Administrative, Admin_Russell writes:
  Dear BrickLink Members,

We have released our Distance Selling feature for sellers who plan to or have
reached the EUR annual 10 000 distance sale of goods threshold. To see where
your current BrickLink sales totals are, you can download the order information
here:

https://www.bricklink.com/orderExcel.asp?orderType=received

To turn this feature on, navigate to your Store Settings page and enable distance
selling. You will be asked to enter your One Stop Shop (OSS) number:

https://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs/business/vat/oss_en

or foreign VAT registration information and provide valid documentation. Once
enabled, the prices of your items will remain the same on your storefront, however
the VAT rate charged and collected will be changed to match the country’s rate
in which the buyer is located.

This has been implemented to comply with the new EU marketplace regulations.
For more information, please see the European Commission article on this topic
here:

https://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs/business/vat/online-sellers_en

You can find additional guidance on the BrickLink EU Marketplace Changes Help
Page:

https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=2517

This message will be sent via email to all sellers at the beginning of next week.
Please add any questions about this feature (along with any bug reports) to this
thread.

Thank you,

The BrickLink Team
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CE_Tanja

Location:  USA, California
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Dear all,

A bit more update to share,

Based on the input we have received, we are currently implementing a solution
that will enable B2B transactions for EU customers which is expected to be completed
in early January.

B2B transactions for UK and US customers will follow while we review the proper
compliance needed.


In Administrative, CE_Tanja writes:
  Dear all,

We are sorry for the lack of reply to this thread, we understand that this is
causing a lot of frustration and is leaving a lot of questions unanswered.

We are currently working with our Tax partners to make sure we provide proper
responses and guidance, unfortunately it is a complex matter and taking longer
than we had hoped for.

Once we are able to answer your questions we will share them in this thread.

We will also be inviting everyone to an online call in the beginning of January,
in this call we will elaborate on the issues raised and it will be possible to
ask further questions.

Thank you for your patience.

In Administrative, Admin_Russell writes:
  Dear BrickLink Members,

We have released our Distance Selling feature for sellers who plan to or have
reached the EUR annual 10 000 distance sale of goods threshold. To see where
your current BrickLink sales totals are, you can download the order information
here:

https://www.bricklink.com/orderExcel.asp?orderType=received

To turn this feature on, navigate to your Store Settings page and enable distance
selling. You will be asked to enter your One Stop Shop (OSS) number:

https://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs/business/vat/oss_en

or foreign VAT registration information and provide valid documentation. Once
enabled, the prices of your items will remain the same on your storefront, however
the VAT rate charged and collected will be changed to match the country’s rate
in which the buyer is located.

This has been implemented to comply with the new EU marketplace regulations.
For more information, please see the European Commission article on this topic
here:

https://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs/business/vat/online-sellers_en

You can find additional guidance on the BrickLink EU Marketplace Changes Help
Page:

https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=2517

This message will be sent via email to all sellers at the beginning of next week.
Please add any questions about this feature (along with any bug reports) to this
thread.

Thank you,

The BrickLink Team
 Author: Teup View Messages Posted By Teup
 Posted: Dec 16, 2021 04:21
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Teup (5824)

Location:  Netherlands, Utrecht
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Store: BLOKJESKONING
Thank you for your update, much appreciated!

Sounds like the price discrimination issue will not be solved in time, good to
know at least, I guess I will sell the old way for the first half of 2022 and
register for OSS for the second half. I think that should work, as long as things
are fixed by then.

In Administrative, CE_Tanja writes:
  Dear all,

A bit more update to share,

Based on the input we have received, we are currently implementing a solution
that will enable B2B transactions for EU customers which is expected to be completed
in early January.

B2B transactions for UK and US customers will follow while we review the proper
compliance needed.


In Administrative, CE_Tanja writes:
  Dear all,

We are sorry for the lack of reply to this thread, we understand that this is
causing a lot of frustration and is leaving a lot of questions unanswered.

We are currently working with our Tax partners to make sure we provide proper
responses and guidance, unfortunately it is a complex matter and taking longer
than we had hoped for.

Once we are able to answer your questions we will share them in this thread.

We will also be inviting everyone to an online call in the beginning of January,
in this call we will elaborate on the issues raised and it will be possible to
ask further questions.

Thank you for your patience.

In Administrative, Admin_Russell writes:
  Dear BrickLink Members,

We have released our Distance Selling feature for sellers who plan to or have
reached the EUR annual 10 000 distance sale of goods threshold. To see where
your current BrickLink sales totals are, you can download the order information
here:

https://www.bricklink.com/orderExcel.asp?orderType=received

To turn this feature on, navigate to your Store Settings page and enable distance
selling. You will be asked to enter your One Stop Shop (OSS) number:

https://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs/business/vat/oss_en

or foreign VAT registration information and provide valid documentation. Once
enabled, the prices of your items will remain the same on your storefront, however
the VAT rate charged and collected will be changed to match the country’s rate
in which the buyer is located.

This has been implemented to comply with the new EU marketplace regulations.
For more information, please see the European Commission article on this topic
here:

https://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs/business/vat/online-sellers_en

You can find additional guidance on the BrickLink EU Marketplace Changes Help
Page:

https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=2517

This message will be sent via email to all sellers at the beginning of next week.
Please add any questions about this feature (along with any bug reports) to this
thread.

Thank you,

The BrickLink Team
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 Posted: Dec 15, 2021 13:47
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Location:  Netherlands, Zuid-Holland
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Store: ilovebricks.nl
In Administrative, CE_Tanja writes:
  Dear all,

We are sorry for the lack of reply to this thread, we understand that this is
causing a lot of frustration and is leaving a lot of questions unanswered.

We are currently working with our Tax partners to make sure we provide proper
responses and guidance, unfortunately it is a complex matter and taking longer
than we had hoped for.

Once we are able to answer your questions we will share them in this thread.

We will also be inviting everyone to an online call in the beginning of January,
in this call we will elaborate on the issues raised and it will be possible to
ask further questions.

Thank you for your patience.

Thanks for the update! Good to hear its being worked on
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 Posted: Dec 18, 2021 14:47
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Store: ilovebricks.nl
In Administrative, kaat writes:
  Thanks for the update! Good to hear its being worked on

Update from my side on "EU Distance selling feature":
it seems the issue where you could not disable the VAT checkbox, when an order
came in via the distance selling feature, is fixed. I can now disable/enable
the check boxes on all orders. This means B2B transactions work again So
more great news, yippie! Thanks!!
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In Administrative, kaat writes:
  In Administrative, kaat writes:
  Thanks for the update! Good to hear its being worked on

Update from my side on "EU Distance selling feature":
it seems the issue where you could not disable the VAT checkbox, when an order
came in via the distance selling feature, is fixed. I can now disable/enable
the check boxes on all orders. This means B2B transactions work again So
more great news, yippie! Thanks!!

Wow! That must be Christmas!?

Other ones confirm?
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 Posted: Dec 18, 2021 15:22
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In Administrative, 1001bricks writes:
  In Administrative, kaat writes:
  In Administrative, kaat writes:
  Thanks for the update! Good to hear its being worked on

Update from my side on "EU Distance selling feature":
it seems the issue where you could not disable the VAT checkbox, when an order
came in via the distance selling feature, is fixed. I can now disable/enable
the check boxes on all orders. This means B2B transactions work again So
more great news, yippie! Thanks!!

Wow! That must be Christmas!?

Without an annunciation?

Maybe a side effect of the bug or of its correction.  Let’s hope it holds.


  Other ones confirm?
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CE_Tanja

Location:  USA, California
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We have enabled this for EU-EU transactions only at this point. We’re still working
on the feature to allow Non EU-EU transactions, this should be ready in the beginning
if January.


In Administrative, 1001bricks writes:
  In Administrative, kaat writes:
  In Administrative, kaat writes:
  Thanks for the update! Good to hear its being worked on

Update from my side on "EU Distance selling feature":
it seems the issue where you could not disable the VAT checkbox, when an order
came in via the distance selling feature, is fixed. I can now disable/enable
the check boxes on all orders. This means B2B transactions work again So
more great news, yippie! Thanks!!

Wow! That must be Christmas!?

Other ones confirm?
 Author: 1001bricks View Messages Posted By 1001bricks
 Posted: Dec 18, 2021 22:35
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In Administrative, CE_Tanja writes:
  We have enabled this for EU-EU transactions only at this point. We’re still working
on the feature to allow Non EU-EU transactions, this should be ready in the beginning
if January.

That's very fine for me, thank you!
And thanks for your support - and in particular - this weekend.

Sylvain
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CE_Tanja

Location:  USA, California
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You are welcome Sylvain

In Administrative, 1001bricks writes:
  In Administrative, CE_Tanja writes:
  We have enabled this for EU-EU transactions only at this point. We’re still working
on the feature to allow Non EU-EU transactions, this should be ready in the beginning
if January.

That's very fine for me, thank you!
And thanks for your support - and in particular - this weekend.

Sylvain
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Stellar (2816)

Location:  Spain, Comunidad Valenciana
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Good!

I activated it again, but price discrimination between EU states with VAT % is
still a big legal problem.

Thanks for working on the issue.

Sergio

In Administrative, CE_Tanja writes:
  We have enabled this for EU-EU transactions only at this point. We’re still working
on the feature to allow Non EU-EU transactions, this should be ready in the beginning
if January.


In Administrative, 1001bricks writes:
  In Administrative, kaat writes:
  In Administrative, kaat writes:
  Thanks for the update! Good to hear its being worked on

Update from my side on "EU Distance selling feature":
it seems the issue where you could not disable the VAT checkbox, when an order
came in via the distance selling feature, is fixed. I can now disable/enable
the check boxes on all orders. This means B2B transactions work again So
more great news, yippie! Thanks!!

Wow! That must be Christmas!?

Other ones confirm?
 Author: Stellar View Messages Posted By Stellar
 Posted: Dec 15, 2021 14:02
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Location:  Spain, Comunidad Valenciana
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Store: Stellar Bricks
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In Administrative, CE_Tanja writes:
  Dear all,

We are sorry for the lack of reply to this thread, we understand that this is
causing a lot of frustration and is leaving a lot of questions unanswered.

We are currently working with our Tax partners to make sure we provide proper
responses and guidance, unfortunately it is a complex matter and taking longer
than we had hoped for.

Once we are able to answer your questions we will share them in this thread.

We will also be inviting everyone to an online call in the beginning of January,
in this call we will elaborate on the issues raised and it will be possible to
ask further questions.

Thank you for your patience.

Thanks for the update Tanja, at least now we know you are looking into it.