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 Author: normann1974 View Messages Posted By normann1974
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The catalog states that part [P=3009f3] has "frosted vertical lines". It seems
to be just "inside supports", found in other bricks as well. Actually, these
inside supports also exist for vintage 1x6 bricks in other colors (I have found
them in red, black, blue, white, yellow) but for some reason, the catalog considers
those to be regular 3009's. What is the reason for this differentiation?
IMHO, 3009f3 should either be merged with 3009, or 3009f3 should include the
other colors. Or at least mention this confusion in a note on the parts involved.

This issue may also be relevant for other brick types (1x2, 1x3, 1x4, 1x8). I
haven't checked if the opaque colors exist with inside supports for these
yet.

/Jan
 Author: tonnic View Messages Posted By tonnic
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In Catalog Requests, normann1974 writes:
  The catalog states that part [P=3009f3] has "frosted vertical lines". It seems
to be just "inside supports", found in other bricks as well. Actually, these
inside supports also exist for vintage 1x6 bricks in other colors (I have found
them in red, black, blue, white, yellow) but for some reason, the catalog considers
those to be regular 3009's. What is the reason for this differentiation?
IMHO, 3009f3 should either be merged with 3009, or 3009f3 should include the
other colors. Or at least mention this confusion in a note on the parts involved.

This issue may also be relevant for other brick types (1x2, 1x3, 1x4, 1x8). I
haven't checked if the opaque colors exist with inside supports for these
yet.

/Jan

It is about the stripes you see on the sides/outside of the brick. Not the supports
on the inside.
Unless I misunderstood your question that is what I believe the ‘frosted vertical
lines’ means.
 Author: normann1974 View Messages Posted By normann1974
 Posted: Nov 15, 2021 06:11
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In Catalog Requests, tonnic writes:
  In Catalog Requests, normann1974 writes:
  The catalog states that part [P=3009f3] has "frosted vertical lines". It seems
to be just "inside supports", found in other bricks as well. Actually, these
inside supports also exist for vintage 1x6 bricks in other colors (I have found
them in red, black, blue, white, yellow) but for some reason, the catalog considers
those to be regular 3009's. What is the reason for this differentiation?
IMHO, 3009f3 should either be merged with 3009, or 3009f3 should include the
other colors. Or at least mention this confusion in a note on the parts involved.

This issue may also be relevant for other brick types (1x2, 1x3, 1x4, 1x8). I
haven't checked if the opaque colors exist with inside supports for these
yet.

/Jan

It is about the stripes you see on the sides/outside of the brick. Not the supports
on the inside.
Unless I misunderstood your question that is what I believe the ‘frosted vertical
lines’ means.

But I believe it's the inside supports that make up the "frosted vertical
lines" that of course can be seen from the outside. I can't see any other
vertical lines than the inside supports on the parts in question.

/Jan
 Author: Stellar View Messages Posted By Stellar
 Posted: Nov 15, 2021 06:45
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In Catalog Requests, normann1974 writes:
  In Catalog Requests, tonnic writes:
  In Catalog Requests, normann1974 writes:
  The catalog states that part [P=3009f3] has "frosted vertical lines". It seems
to be just "inside supports", found in other bricks as well. Actually, these
inside supports also exist for vintage 1x6 bricks in other colors (I have found
them in red, black, blue, white, yellow) but for some reason, the catalog considers
those to be regular 3009's. What is the reason for this differentiation?
IMHO, 3009f3 should either be merged with 3009, or 3009f3 should include the
other colors. Or at least mention this confusion in a note on the parts involved.

This issue may also be relevant for other brick types (1x2, 1x3, 1x4, 1x8). I
haven't checked if the opaque colors exist with inside supports for these
yet.

/Jan

It is about the stripes you see on the sides/outside of the brick. Not the supports
on the inside.
Unless I misunderstood your question that is what I believe the ‘frosted vertical
lines’ means.

But I believe it's the inside supports that make up the "frosted vertical
lines" that of course can be seen from the outside. I can't see any other
vertical lines than the inside supports on the parts in question.

/Jan

These are more noticeable on 2x4 bricks, I don't know if old standard 3009
had them, currents ones seems not:

 
Part No: 3001  Name: Brick 2 x 4
* 
3001 Brick 2 x 4
Parts: Brick {Trans-Dark Blue}
 
Part No: 3001  Name: Brick 2 x 4
* 
3001 Brick 2 x 4
Parts: Brick {Trans-Neon Orange}
 
Part No: 3001  Name: Brick 2 x 4
* 
3001 Brick 2 x 4
Parts: Brick {Trans-Green}

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Vintage side pip variant with inside supports.

/Jan
 
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In Catalog Requests, normann1974 writes:
  In Catalog Requests, tonnic writes:
  In Catalog Requests, normann1974 writes:
  The catalog states that part [P=3009f3] has "frosted vertical lines". It seems
to be just "inside supports", found in other bricks as well. Actually, these
inside supports also exist for vintage 1x6 bricks in other colors (I have found
them in red, black, blue, white, yellow) but for some reason, the catalog considers
those to be regular 3009's. What is the reason for this differentiation?
IMHO, 3009f3 should either be merged with 3009, or 3009f3 should include the
other colors. Or at least mention this confusion in a note on the parts involved.

This issue may also be relevant for other brick types (1x2, 1x3, 1x4, 1x8). I
haven't checked if the opaque colors exist with inside supports for these
yet.

/Jan

It is about the stripes you see on the sides/outside of the brick. Not the supports
on the inside.
Unless I misunderstood your question that is what I believe the ‘frosted vertical
lines’ means.

But I believe it's the inside supports that make up the "frosted vertical
lines" that of course can be seen from the outside. I can't see any other
vertical lines than the inside supports on the parts in question.

/Jan

I always believed the lines on the outside of the brick are the frosted lines,
see the marks I put on the original picture. If I am wrong, let me know.
 
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In Catalog Requests, tonnic writes:
  In Catalog Requests, normann1974 writes:
  In Catalog Requests, tonnic writes:
  In Catalog Requests, normann1974 writes:
  The catalog states that part [P=3009f3] has "frosted vertical lines". It seems
to be just "inside supports", found in other bricks as well. Actually, these
inside supports also exist for vintage 1x6 bricks in other colors (I have found
them in red, black, blue, white, yellow) but for some reason, the catalog considers
those to be regular 3009's. What is the reason for this differentiation?
IMHO, 3009f3 should either be merged with 3009, or 3009f3 should include the
other colors. Or at least mention this confusion in a note on the parts involved.

This issue may also be relevant for other brick types (1x2, 1x3, 1x4, 1x8). I
haven't checked if the opaque colors exist with inside supports for these
yet.

/Jan

It is about the stripes you see on the sides/outside of the brick. Not the supports
on the inside.
Unless I misunderstood your question that is what I believe the ‘frosted vertical
lines’ means.

But I believe it's the inside supports that make up the "frosted vertical
lines" that of course can be seen from the outside. I can't see any other
vertical lines than the inside supports on the parts in question.

/Jan

I always believed the lines on the outside of the brick are the frosted lines,
see the marks I put on the original picture. If I am wrong, let me know.

And the next original picture shows marks pointing at the horizontal frosted
lines.
 
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  I always believed the lines on the outside of the brick are the frosted lines,
see the marks I put on the original picture. If I am wrong, let me know.

I have never seen any standard bricks with lines on the outside of the brick.
All "frosted" versions I have seen are modifications to the inside of the brick
that can be seen from outside because they're transparent. Please see my
photo of opaque bricks elsewhere in this thread.

/Jan
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In Catalog Requests, normann1974 writes:
  
  I always believed the lines on the outside of the brick are the frosted lines,
see the marks I put on the original picture. If I am wrong, let me know.

I have never seen any standard bricks with lines on the outside of the brick.
All "frosted" versions I have seen are modifications to the inside of the brick
that can be seen from outside because they're transparent. Please see my
photo of opaque bricks elsewhere in this thread.

/Jan

I think I rest my case.
Yes, maybe they are not on the outside but they are visible on the outside.
But due to the fact you see them and therefore look differently I guess they
thought it would be wise to mention it in the description.
In your others bricks it doesn’t change the appearance (on the outside that you
see when build), in the transparent bricks it does change the appearance and
therefore it should be noted.
So it is all about the looks.
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In Catalog Requests, normann1974 writes:
  The catalog states that part [P=3009f3] has "frosted vertical lines". It seems
to be just "inside supports", found in other bricks as well. Actually, these
inside supports also exist for vintage 1x6 bricks in other colors (I have found
them in red, black, blue, white, yellow) but for some reason, the catalog considers
those to be regular 3009's. What is the reason for this differentiation?
IMHO, 3009f3 should either be merged with 3009, or 3009f3 should include the
other colors. Or at least mention this confusion in a note on the parts involved.

This issue may also be relevant for other brick types (1x2, 1x3, 1x4, 1x8). I
haven't checked if the opaque colors exist with inside supports for these
yet.

/Jan


An additional note has been added to this part.

Cheers,
Randy
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  An additional note has been added to this part.

Cheers,
Randy

If no one has a better image of [P=3002f1] (I don't see any "frosting" on
the current image), I believe this may also just be the same as
 
Part No: 3002  Name: Brick 2 x 3
* 
3002 Brick 2 x 3
Parts: Brick
with
inside supports which are currently found only in set
 
Set No: 1469  Name: Helicopter polybag
* 
1469-1 (Inv) Helicopter polybag
40 Parts, 1986
Sets: Universal Building Set: Airport
.

Please consider updating the part's note.

/Jan
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In Catalog Requests, normann1974 writes:
  
  An additional note has been added to this part.

Cheers,
Randy

If no one has a better image of [P=3002f1] (I don't see any "frosting" on
the current image),


I can definitely see the frosting in the image.


  I believe this may also just be the same as
 
Part No: 3002  Name: Brick 2 x 3
* 
3002 Brick 2 x 3
Parts: Brick
with
inside supports which are currently found only in set
 
Set No: 1469  Name: Helicopter polybag
* 
1469-1 (Inv) Helicopter polybag
40 Parts, 1986
Sets: Universal Building Set: Airport
.

Please consider updating the part's note.


I would need to see the inside of solid color versions of 3002 from that time
period before considering the addition of a note.