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| | | Author: | 1974  | | Posted: | Sep 19, 2021 10:52 | | Subject: | Pleae BL, no more Wild West! | | Viewed: | 476 times | | Topic: | Buying | |
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| Oi!
It's for the good of EVERYONE here that the prices of parts actually reflects
the cat/avg price guide
I'm VERY tired of sneaky ways to turn up the invoice to eleven! 
Sellers :
You're most welcome to charge a gazillion in shipping, but be upfront about
it (and you wont get any ordres anyway if you do (that is, charging a gazillion))
Lots : Sure, do whatever you want. I understand
Adding to base price of order : Knock it off, no-one else who has a webshop selling
anything on this planet does that!
Sure, you need Paypal/BL fees, gas money, envelopes, yadda yadda ... ADD IT TO
YOUR DARN BASE PRICE OF PARTS!
When was the last time YOU bought anything of the net, that added that xxxx?!
Don't mess with the avg price guide!!
Just set a minimum order value if you don't want a one dollar order, please
I got particularly xxxxxx off reading this on a order I was about to make :
"I'll add DKK 11,00 and 10% to order total."
BL, you want to step into the 20th century (no typo). Please act like it!
I've been here +10 years and I'm SO tired of that stuff
Rant over
Ole
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| | | | | Author: | Teup | | Posted: | Sep 19, 2021 11:09 | | Subject: | Re: Pleae BL, no more Wild West! | | Viewed: | 116 times | | Topic: | Buying | |
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| In Buying, 1974 writes:
| | Oi!
It's for the good of EVERYONE here that the prices of parts actually reflects
the cat/avg price guide
I'm VERY tired of sneaky ways to turn up the invoice to eleven!
Sellers :
You're most welcome to charge a gazillion in shipping, but be upfront about
it (and you wont get any ordres anyway if you do (that is, charging a gazillion))
Lots : Sure, do whatever you want. I understand
Adding to base price of order : Knock it off, no-one else who has a webshop selling
anything on this planet does that!
Sure, you need Paypal/BL fees, gas money, envelopes, yadda yadda ... ADD IT TO
YOUR DARN BASE PRICE OF PARTS!
When was the last time YOU bought anything of the net, that added that xxxx?!
Don't mess with the avg price guide!!
Just set a minimum order value if you don't want a one dollar order, please
I got particularly xxxxxx off reading this on a order I was about to make :
"I'll add DKK 11,00 and 10% to order total."
BL, you want to step into the 20th century (no typo). Please act like it!
I've been here +10 years and I'm SO tired of that stuff
Rant over
Ole
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IMO all percentage fees that are not optional (ie. payment processing related)
should be banned from Bricklink as of yesterday. The only difference with a negative
sale is that a negative sale is visible to the buyer, while the percentage fee
is not. So as far as I can see there isn't a single argument to keep them.
And yeah, life would be a lot easier if we all just used shipping rates that
include everything, no pointless math problems for the buyer...
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| | | | | Author: | 1974 | | Posted: | Sep 19, 2021 11:15 | | Subject: | Re: Pleae BL, no more Wild West! | | Viewed: | 94 times | | Topic: | Buying | |
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| In Buying, 1974 writes:
Oh dear, I messed up the headline in my state of absolute arggghhhhness of dispair
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"Please BL, no more Wild West!"
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I don't have a lot of feedback even if I have been here for a decade
That is because I've bought a LOT in a relative few orders. I've been
particularly fond of a few shops that have a flat fee for shipping and NO added
nonsense. Those shops earned thousands of EUR from me. It never bothered me much
WHAT the parts actually costed .. .as long as they had them
But now my stock for MOC'ing is almost complete and I only need a part here
and there ... and this is when I see all those very silly terms ...
Not cool at all!
(Also, I'm a bit of an LEGO archaeologist, I love LEGO history. I've
read a lot of post on LUGnet, other places and on this forum so I know this has
been a problem since day one of Brickbay - but NOTHING has been done about it
two decades - Taxes seem more important)
Ole
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| | | | | Author: | axaday | | Posted: | Sep 19, 2021 11:54 | | Subject: | Re: Pleae BL, no more Wild West! | | Viewed: | 121 times | | Topic: | Buying | |
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| "I'll add 10% to order total" means I am pretending my prices are cheaper
than they are and Bricklink ought to take notice because it is also costing them
10% of their fees.
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| | | | | | | Author: | SylvainLS | | Posted: | Sep 19, 2021 12:01 | | Subject: | Re: Pleae BL, no more Wild West! | | Viewed: | 97 times | | Topic: | Buying | |
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| In Buying, axaday writes:
| | "I'll add 10% to order total" means I am pretending my prices are cheaper
than they are and Bricklink ought to take notice because it is also costing them
10% of their fees.
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The only legitimate purposes I can see for these fees / fields are:
1. for taxes, when BL doesn’t handle them,
2. for accounting purposes: the seller wants to separate their various costs.
BUT THE BUYERS DON’T CARE!
If BL wants to keep these “accounting” fields, BL should hide them from the buyers
(and charge fees on them).
(And check the “taxes” are really taxes, not “I need shoes to go to the post
office” fees.)
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | Llewyn | | Posted: | Sep 19, 2021 12:27 | | Subject: | Re: Pleae BL, no more Wild West! | | Viewed: | 84 times | | Topic: | Buying | |
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| I never realised BL doesn't charge fees on these "fees", that seems shortsighted.
Makes me wish I'd tried harder to avoid buying from stores that charge additional
"fees".
In Buying, SylvainLS writes:
| | If BL wants to keep these “accounting” fields, BL should hide them from the buyers
(and charge fees on them).
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | beanbuddy | | Posted: | Sep 19, 2021 12:50 | | Subject: | Re: Pleae BL, no more Wild West! | | Viewed: | 67 times | | Topic: | Buying | |
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| Our store is quite new, we don't charge any extra fee's or add any extra
onto postage. The way we see it is, if we go for sets which with 2.5+ part out
value then we'll be doubling our money plus covering the cost of fees and
packaging. Adding fees on top just seems greedy, especially if you don't
pay fees on the fees!
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| | | | | | | Author: | 1974 | | Posted: | Sep 19, 2021 20:41 | | Subject: | Re: Pleae BL, no more Wild West! | | Viewed: | 63 times | | Topic: | Buying | |
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| In Buying, axaday writes:
| | "I'll add 10% to order total" means I am pretending my prices are cheaper
than they are and Bricklink ought to take notice because it is also costing them
10% of their fees.
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Right. This is the stuff I think shuold not be allowed on BL. But sadly it is
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| | | | | Author: | legoman77 | | Posted: | Sep 19, 2021 12:56 | | Subject: | Re: Pleae BL, no more Wild West! | | Viewed: | 105 times | | Topic: | Buying | |
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| In Buying, 1974 writes:
| | Oi!
It's for the good of EVERYONE here that the prices of parts actually reflects
the cat/avg price guide
I'm VERY tired of sneaky ways to turn up the invoice to eleven!
Sellers :
You're most welcome to charge a gazillion in shipping, but be upfront about
it (and you wont get any ordres anyway if you do (that is, charging a gazillion))
Lots : Sure, do whatever you want. I understand
Adding to base price of order : Knock it off, no-one else who has a webshop selling
anything on this planet does that!
Sure, you need Paypal/BL fees, gas money, envelopes, yadda yadda ... ADD IT TO
YOUR DARN BASE PRICE OF PARTS!
When was the last time YOU bought anything of the net, that added that xxxx?!
Don't mess with the avg price guide!!
Just set a minimum order value if you don't want a one dollar order, please
I got particularly xxxxxx off reading this on a order I was about to make :
"I'll add DKK 11,00 and 10% to order total."
BL, you want to step into the 20th century (no typo). Please act like it!
I've been here +10 years and I'm SO tired of that stuff
Rant over
Ole
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I totally agree. I think fees, all fees, are a way to hide the true cost for
the buyer. Buyers should not have to check anything else but the price the item
is offered and the shipping. Online retailers of merit do not add fees, they
add postage, not fees for this and for that. I would like to see Bricklink not
let the seller add fees, fees are sneaky. In the world where I am in charge
of Bricklink, there would be no fees and if the seller wants to get more than
the price something is listed for, they add it to the listing price and that
is what the item sells for. I must repeat, I view fees as sneaky and hiding
the true cost of an item. Many buyers do not read the terms page and another
page to see what the price is of an order. I tended not to when I was the buyer,
I just assumed that sellers were up front and honest. I was wrong on several
purchases. Sellers that charge fees always come back with an excuse why they
sneak in the charges. I just do not give that credence. Or credence for any
excuse for getting more money than the price showing.
That is my rant.
John P
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| | | | | | | Author: | 1974 | | Posted: | Sep 19, 2021 13:29 | | Subject: | Re: Pleae BL, no more Wild West! | | Viewed: | 78 times | | Topic: | Buying | |
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| In Buying, legoman77 writes:
Blah blah .. whatever John P writes is right 
Please discard this voice of reason!
Now, PLEASE debate this crazy fee Wild West that BL OBVIOUSLY allows!
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | legoman77 | | Posted: | Sep 19, 2021 14:42 | | Subject: | Re: Pleae BL, no more Wild West! | | Viewed: | 62 times | | Topic: | Buying | |
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| In Buying, 1974 writes:
| | In Buying, legoman77 writes:
Blah blah .. whatever John P writes is right
Please discard this voice of reason!
Now, PLEASE debate this crazy fee Wild West that BL OBVIOUSLY allows!
Also, reading this post will cost you 1.4EUR with a PayPal fee of +0.40cent and
an extra fee for me typing it out, at only 2$
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Why would you be against the price of an item being the actual price something
someone pays?
John P
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | yorbrick | | Posted: | Sep 19, 2021 16:04 | | Subject: | Re: Pleae BL, no more Wild West! | | Viewed: | 46 times | | Topic: | Buying | |
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Why would you be against the price of an item being the actual price something
someone pays?
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Because the seller needs to get it to the buyer, and the price for sending 2
or 100 of something might be the same as sending 1. If that is factored into
the price, buyers overpay on shipping multiple items.
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| In Buying, yorbrick writes:
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Why would you be against the price of an item being the actual price something
someone pays?
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Because the seller needs to get it to the buyer, and the price for sending 2
or 100 of something might be the same as sending 1. If that is factored into
the price, buyers overpay on shipping multiple items.
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Not sure what you are saying. To my way of thinking, postage is not a fee.
That is added once you weigh the order. No 10 cents here, a dollar here, 75
cents there added to the bottom line. Just seems a bit unfair to those that
do not add superfluous charges. I never did, would not, and was rather successful
here giving honest prices and good service. Rather than thinking about what
I could add, I though about how I could make it a pleasant experience for the
buyer which is evident from my feedback.
John P
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| In Buying, legoman77 writes:
| | In Buying, yorbrick writes:
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Why would you be against the price of an item being the actual price something
someone pays?
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Because the seller needs to get it to the buyer, and the price for sending 2
or 100 of something might be the same as sending 1. If that is factored into
the price, buyers overpay on shipping multiple items.
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Not sure what you are saying. To my way of thinking, postage is not a fee.
That is added once you weigh the order. No 10 cents here, a dollar here, 75
cents there added to the bottom line. Just seems a bit unfair to those that
do not add superfluous charges. I never did, would not, and was rather successful
here giving honest prices and good service. Rather than thinking about what
I could add, I though about how I could make it a pleasant experience for the
buyer which is evident from my feedback.
John P
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You are right. Postage is a cost added to an order. As are boxes or envelopes.
As are a number of things that can be accounted for either as a fixed cost per
order and so added to the shipping and handling or you can attempt to include
such costs into item prices.
It is still honest to charge the buyer costs that are incurred.
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| In Buying, yorbrick writes:
| | In Buying, legoman77 writes:
| | In Buying, yorbrick writes:
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Why would you be against the price of an item being the actual price something
someone pays?
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Because the seller needs to get it to the buyer, and the price for sending 2
or 100 of something might be the same as sending 1. If that is factored into
the price, buyers overpay on shipping multiple items.
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Not sure what you are saying. To my way of thinking, postage is not a fee.
That is added once you weigh the order. No 10 cents here, a dollar here, 75
cents there added to the bottom line. Just seems a bit unfair to those that
do not add superfluous charges. I never did, would not, and was rather successful
here giving honest prices and good service. Rather than thinking about what
I could add, I though about how I could make it a pleasant experience for the
buyer which is evident from my feedback.
John P
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You are right. Postage is a cost added to an order. As are boxes or envelopes.
As are a number of things that can be accounted for either as a fixed cost per
order and so added to the shipping and handling or you can attempt to include
such costs into item prices.
It is still honest to charge the buyer costs that are incurred.
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It is, if figured into the price of the item. How would you feel if you go to
Best Buy site and add a wide screen TV to your cart and see "Your only bought
one item, therefore we are adding a $10 charge, and then you see another charge
because it took two workers to lift it on the truck, and another charge because
it took an extra large box? I just do not think it is fair to do that at check
out. Do it in the prices so those that charge a dollar for a one piece but add
30 cents to the invoice, are charging more than the seller who sets the piece
for $1.10 and not adding anything. Fees are a kind of smoke screen when making
an order. What I have suggest before and was shot down was to add to that sellers
listing a note that extra fees may be charged along with the listing. That is
transparency, but stores adding fees do not want that happening. Why?
John P
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It is still honest to charge the buyer costs that are incurred.
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It is, if figured into the price of the item. How would you feel if you go to
Best Buy site and add a wide screen TV to your cart and see "Your only bought
one item, therefore we are adding a $10 charge, and then you see another charge
because it took two workers to lift it on the truck, and another charge because
it took an extra large box? I just do not think it is fair to do that at check
out. Do it in the prices so those that charge a dollar for a one piece but add
30 cents to the invoice, are charging more than the seller who sets the piece
for $1.10 and not adding anything. Fees are a kind of smoke screen when making
an order. What I have suggest before and was shot down was to add to that sellers
listing a note that extra fees may be charged along with the listing. That is
transparency, but stores adding fees do not want that happening. Why?
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Whereas I prefer the one off order costs to be stated up front and charged at
checkout rather than added to the item price. That is not smoke and mirrors or
dishonest. To me, charging for the same thing twice when you only use it once,
is dishonest. Yet if packaging costs are added onto say set prices, then that
is what happens if someone buys two items.
There are different ways of charging. If the buyer knows the costs before placing
the order, then neither is more or less honest. Until BL outlaws other methods
and tries to enforce one, then sellers will use different ways of charging for
fixed order costs.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | legoman77 | | Posted: | Sep 20, 2021 11:11 | | Subject: | Re: Pleae BL, no more Wild West! | | Viewed: | 52 times | | Topic: | Buying | |
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| In Buying, yorbrick writes:
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It is still honest to charge the buyer costs that are incurred.
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It is, if figured into the price of the item. How would you feel if you go to
Best Buy site and add a wide screen TV to your cart and see "Your only bought
one item, therefore we are adding a $10 charge, and then you see another charge
because it took two workers to lift it on the truck, and another charge because
it took an extra large box? I just do not think it is fair to do that at check
out. Do it in the prices so those that charge a dollar for a one piece but add
30 cents to the invoice, are charging more than the seller who sets the piece
for $1.10 and not adding anything. Fees are a kind of smoke screen when making
an order. What I have suggest before and was shot down was to add to that sellers
listing a note that extra fees may be charged along with the listing. That is
transparency, but stores adding fees do not want that happening. Why?
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Whereas I prefer the one off order costs to be stated up front and charged at
checkout rather than added to the item price. That is not smoke and mirrors or
dishonest. To me, charging for the same thing twice when you only use it once,
is dishonest. Yet if packaging costs are added onto say set prices, then that
is what happens if someone buys two items.
There are different ways of charging. If the buyer knows the costs before placing
the order, then neither is more or less honest. Until BL outlaws other methods
and tries to enforce one, then sellers will use different ways of charging for
fixed order costs.
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I did not mean for each item or amount. Just a not that "This seller may charge
addition fees" or a box with a check. No amount or reason, just a box with a
check to remind buyers to check that out.
I have brought this up several times, sellers that charge addition fees do not
like the idea.
John P
John P
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | Teup | | Posted: | Sep 19, 2021 18:54 | | Subject: | Re: Pleae BL, no more Wild West! | | Viewed: | 57 times | | Topic: | Buying | |
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| In Buying, 1974 writes:
| | In Buying, legoman77 writes:
Blah blah .. whatever John P writes is right
Please discard this voice of reason!
Now, PLEASE debate this crazy fee Wild West that BL OBVIOUSLY allows!
Also, reading this post will cost you 1.4EUR with a PayPal fee of +0.40cent and
an extra fee for me typing it out, at only 2$
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Well.. You do need to distinguish here between payment processing fees and inevitable
fees. Inevitable fees are just ridiculous, yes, but payment processing fees can
be legitimate in some cases. Especially if the alternative would be that that
seller would stop offering that payment method that you'd have liked to use.
Not necessarily posting this to defend such fees, but principally separating
these two categories gives you a much stronger case on why that other category,
the inescapable fees, are utterly ridiculous and should be removed from Bricklink
immediately. That's an argument that nobody in their right mind could oppose.
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | legoman77 | | Posted: | Sep 19, 2021 19:21 | | Subject: | Re: Pleae BL, no more Wild West! | | Viewed: | 49 times | | Topic: | Buying | |
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| In Buying, Teup writes:
| | In Buying, 1974 writes:
| | In Buying, legoman77 writes:
Blah blah .. whatever John P writes is right
Please discard this voice of reason!
Now, PLEASE debate this crazy fee Wild West that BL OBVIOUSLY allows!
Also, reading this post will cost you 1.4EUR with a PayPal fee of +0.40cent and
an extra fee for me typing it out, at only 2$
Like me at Instatumbleredditfaceknob and you'll gain an extra halfinch follower!
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Well.. You do need to distinguish here between payment processing fees and inevitable
fees. Inevitable fees are just ridiculous, yes, but payment processing fees can
be legitimate in some cases. Especially if the alternative would be that that
seller would stop offering that payment method that you'd have liked to use.
Not necessarily posting this to defend such fees, but principally separating
these two categories gives you a much stronger case on why that other category,
the inescapable fees, are utterly ridiculous and should be removed from Bricklink
immediately. That's an argument that nobody in their right mind could oppose.
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I am not sure what you consider fees, and I am not in my right mind anyway.
What I do is charge actual shipping charges here; did this for my last 4 things
I sold and did that the entire time I was selling my collection. The money was
not overly important to me. Yes I did want to make money for my collection and
I did. But what I listed sold at that price, nothing more and even if I made
a mistake. I don't know the genesis for my selling philosophy, but what
I list something for is what I sell it for. That seems so simple. I see a lot
of discourage on this subject and a lot of complaints about sellers having fees.
If you want to boil it down to the most simplistic it can be, "you pay this
and you will get this." One must ask, why are sellers, maybe many sellers, so
addicted to fees, some to the point of absurdity? Some asked me in one of these
fee threads a long time ago, why not just give everything away. I did want to
make money, but I want money in my pocket that got there above board with full
disclosures that a buyer did not have to rout around through my store terms and
policies. The worse thing that could happen to be was that someone was dissatisfied
with buying from me. There was just one neutral I think because I left a small
set out of the box. I deserved that and he was French so I got it.
I am blah blahing again, sorry.
John P
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | qwertyboy | | Posted: | Sep 19, 2021 19:47 | | Subject: | Re: Pleae BL, no more Wild West! | | Viewed: | 44 times | | Topic: | Buying | |
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| In Buying, legoman77 writes:
| | I am blah blahing again, sorry.
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I don't think you are blah-blah-ing at all. Ever since we started selling
on BL we charged exact shipping, and had no other fees of any kind. 8,800+ orders
in, we are still doing OK.
Niek.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | legoman77 | | Posted: | Sep 19, 2021 20:54 | | Subject: | Re: Pleae BL, no more Wild West! | | Viewed: | 42 times | | Topic: | Buying | |
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| In Buying, qwertyboy writes:
| | In Buying, legoman77 writes:
| | I am blah blahing again, sorry.
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I don't think you are blah-blah-ing at all. Ever since we started selling
on BL we charged exact shipping, and had no other fees of any kind. 8,800+ orders
in, we are still doing OK.
Niek.
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Thank you,successful seller I see.
John P
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Teup | | Posted: | Sep 20, 2021 02:48 | | Subject: | Re: Pleae BL, no more Wild West! | | Viewed: | 42 times | | Topic: | Buying | |
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| In Buying, legoman77 writes:
| | In Buying, Teup writes:
| | In Buying, 1974 writes:
| | In Buying, legoman77 writes:
Blah blah .. whatever John P writes is right
Please discard this voice of reason!
Now, PLEASE debate this crazy fee Wild West that BL OBVIOUSLY allows!
Also, reading this post will cost you 1.4EUR with a PayPal fee of +0.40cent and
an extra fee for me typing it out, at only 2$
Like me at Instatumbleredditfaceknob and you'll gain an extra halfinch follower!
I love you all
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Well.. You do need to distinguish here between payment processing fees and inevitable
fees. Inevitable fees are just ridiculous, yes, but payment processing fees can
be legitimate in some cases. Especially if the alternative would be that that
seller would stop offering that payment method that you'd have liked to use.
Not necessarily posting this to defend such fees, but principally separating
these two categories gives you a much stronger case on why that other category,
the inescapable fees, are utterly ridiculous and should be removed from Bricklink
immediately. That's an argument that nobody in their right mind could oppose.
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I am not sure what you consider fees, and I am not in my right mind anyway.
What I do is charge actual shipping charges here; did this for my last 4 things
I sold and did that the entire time I was selling my collection. The money was
not overly important to me. Yes I did want to make money for my collection and
I did. But what I listed sold at that price, nothing more and even if I made
a mistake. I don't know the genesis for my selling philosophy, but what
I list something for is what I sell it for. That seems so simple. I see a lot
of discourage on this subject and a lot of complaints about sellers having fees.
If you want to boil it down to the most simplistic it can be, "you pay this
and you will get this." One must ask, why are sellers, maybe many sellers, so
addicted to fees, some to the point of absurdity? Some asked me in one of these
fee threads a long time ago, why not just give everything away. I did want to
make money, but I want money in my pocket that got there above board with full
disclosures that a buyer did not have to rout around through my store terms and
policies. The worse thing that could happen to be was that someone was dissatisfied
with buying from me. There was just one neutral I think because I left a small
set out of the box. I deserved that and he was French so I got it.
I am blah blahing again, sorry.
John P
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Well, one thing is for sure: The payment processing fees must be paid. So the
choice is to let the buyers who use that service pay for it, or to let all
buyers pay for it in an equal amount. You could do what you do. Or you can do
it like this: Ypu let the buyers pay for their own bricks, so you could just
as well let them pay for the services that they use. Those are also products.
It's just a personal or regional preference. Neither is superior to the other.
It's just such a shame when it gets thrown on one heap with the percentage
fee issue. If we narrow it down to banning unavoidable percentage fees, we can
get a huge majority for such a suggestion pretty fast.
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Well, one thing is for sure: The payment processing fees must be paid. So the
choice is to let the buyers who use that service pay for it, or to let all
buyers pay for it in an equal amount. You could do what you do. Or you can do
it like this: Ypu let the buyers pay for their own bricks, so you could just
as well let them pay for the services that they use. Those are also products.
It's just a personal or regional preference. Neither is superior to the other.
It's just such a shame when it gets thrown on one heap with the percentage
fee issue. If we narrow it down to banning unavoidable percentage fees, we can
get a huge majority for such a suggestion pretty fast.
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And this is complicated further by different rules in different countries. You
are allowed to add charges for accepting certain payment types (at cost) whereas
others are not.
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| | | | | | | Author: | manganschlamm | | Posted: | Sep 20, 2021 02:49 | | Subject: | Re: Pleae BL, no more Wild West! | | Viewed: | 46 times | | Topic: | Buying | |
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| In Buying, legoman77 writes:
| | In Buying, 1974 writes:
| | Oi!
It's for the good of EVERYONE here that the prices of parts actually reflects
the cat/avg price guide
I'm VERY tired of sneaky ways to turn up the invoice to eleven!
Sellers :
You're most welcome to charge a gazillion in shipping, but be upfront about
it (and you wont get any ordres anyway if you do (that is, charging a gazillion))
Lots : Sure, do whatever you want. I understand
Adding to base price of order : Knock it off, no-one else who has a webshop selling
anything on this planet does that!
Sure, you need Paypal/BL fees, gas money, envelopes, yadda yadda ... ADD IT TO
YOUR DARN BASE PRICE OF PARTS!
When was the last time YOU bought anything of the net, that added that xxxx?!
Don't mess with the avg price guide!!
Just set a minimum order value if you don't want a one dollar order, please
I got particularly xxxxxx off reading this on a order I was about to make :
"I'll add DKK 11,00 and 10% to order total."
BL, you want to step into the 20th century (no typo). Please act like it!
I've been here +10 years and I'm SO tired of that stuff
Rant over
Ole
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I totally agree. I think fees, all fees, are a way to hide the true cost for
the buyer. Buyers should not have to check anything else but the price the item
is offered and the shipping. Online retailers of merit do not add fees, they
add postage, not fees for this and for that. I would like to see Bricklink not
let the seller add fees, fees are sneaky. In the world where I am in charge
of Bricklink, there would be no fees and if the seller wants to get more than
the price something is listed for, they add it to the listing price and that
is what the item sells for. I must repeat, I view fees as sneaky and hiding
the true cost of an item. Many buyers do not read the terms page and another
page to see what the price is of an order. I tended not to when I was the buyer,
I just assumed that sellers were up front and honest. I was wrong on several
purchases. Sellers that charge fees always come back with an excuse why they
sneak in the charges. I just do not give that credence. Or credence for any
excuse for getting more money than the price showing.
That is my rant.
John P
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Fully agree. It is a common observation that stores with many intransparent or
dubious fees often have a considerable number of negative or neutral feedback.
This together sends a clear message. The worst thing are the lot limit fee schemes.
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| | | | | | | Author: | S_H_M | | Posted: | Sep 20, 2021 04:34 | | Subject: | Re: Pleae BL, no more Wild West! | | Viewed: | 37 times | | Topic: | Buying | |
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| In Buying, legoman77 writes:
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I totally agree. I think fees, all fees, are a way to hide the true cost for
the buyer.
That is my rant.
John P
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Actually, not charging for a paypal payment give the impression that paypal is
free while in fact it's a pretty expensive service (between 3 and 6% of total
value, including shipping costs !)
Forbidding buyers to charge that paypal fee is a very sneaky way of paypal to
hide this cost for buyers. And what I'm amazed of, is that the whole world
takes this shit.
Here in Europe buyers can pay by IBAN which is fee free. By charging the paypal
fee, buyers are aware that there is that fee, that that service isn't free.
If I should raise all my prices, firstly I would support papyal in their sneaky
way of deception. And secondly those who pay by IBAN would pay too much.
and that's my rant
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | LegoLDK | | Posted: | Sep 20, 2021 05:34 | | Subject: | Re: Pleae BL, no more Wild West! | | Viewed: | 61 times | | Topic: | Buying | |
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| IBAN is often presented as a fee free alternative to PayPal. But people need
to be aware that it is a direct money transfer from the buyer's account to
the seller's account. If there is a problem with the order there is no way
to claim that money back if the seller does not agree to give it back. It's
like posting cash through someone's letterbox.
In other words if everyone used IBAN the site would be flooded with scam sellers.
It may be fee free, but it is not risk free. What PayPal should do is make it
clear that the fees pay for something other than just profit. Anyone who has
filed a successful PayPal claim will know what that fee paid for.
Offer multiple payment methods, with different prices and spell out exactly what
risks/benefits they come with. Then buyers can choose which method suits them
best.
In Buying, S_H_M writes:
| | Here in Europe buyers can pay by IBAN which is fee free. By charging the paypal
fee, buyers are aware that there is that fee, that that service isn't free.
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | StonesHeart | | Posted: | Sep 20, 2021 06:15 | | Subject: | Re: Pleae BL, no more Wild West! | | Viewed: | 37 times | | Topic: | Buying | |
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| Hi All,
Just curious to know how it is for you.
80% of orders I would not need insurance of any kind. Just a couple of positive
reviews.
20% of orders I would want to have insurance because of value and/or unknown
seller combination.
This means for 80% I would be happy with IBAN. Which helps buyers to lower their
costs, because I recharge Paypal fees.
How would this be for you?
In Buying, LegoLDK writes:
| | IBAN is often presented as a fee free alternative to PayPal. But people need
to be aware that it is a direct money transfer from the buyer's account to
the seller's account. If there is a problem with the order there is no way
to claim that money back if the seller does not agree to give it back. It's
like posting cash through someone's letterbox.
In other words if everyone used IBAN the site would be flooded with scam sellers.
It may be fee free, but it is not risk free. What PayPal should do is make it
clear that the fees pay for something other than just profit. Anyone who has
filed a successful PayPal claim will know what that fee paid for.
Offer multiple payment methods, with different prices and spell out exactly what
risks/benefits they come with. Then buyers can choose which method suits them
best.
In Buying, S_H_M writes:
| | Here in Europe buyers can pay by IBAN which is fee free. By charging the paypal
fee, buyers are aware that there is that fee, that that service isn't free.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Teup | | Posted: | Sep 20, 2021 11:17 | | Subject: | Re: Pleae BL, no more Wild West! | | Viewed: | 82 times | | Topic: | Buying | |
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| With 90% of my orders going out the door without tracking, I wouldn't be
happy with a payment processor that offers this "protection" - for me it's
kind of just moving the power to scam from the seller (who has feedback, who
is verified by the BL admins, who has a vested interest in the continuation of
their business) to a total random person who could literally be anybody in the
world.
(And also I strongly dislike commercial parties acting as authorities, because
that leads to extortion - as we can see each time when PayPal cranks up the fees
once again while forcing businesses to hide them out of sight - but that's
a different story  )
But I also understand that IBAN can be a source of scams. While bank transfer
is the e-commerce standard here and I would never label it "unsafe", I do realise
that there's a difference between ordering in a 'real' webshop and
ordering from a Bricklink seller. I guess BL's policy to allow bank transfers
only when sellers has proven themselves is a pretty good one (although it will
deter some aspiring sellers)
In Buying, StonesHeart writes:
| | Hi All,
Just curious to know how it is for you.
80% of orders I would not need insurance of any kind. Just a couple of positive
reviews.
20% of orders I would want to have insurance because of value and/or unknown
seller combination.
This means for 80% I would be happy with IBAN. Which helps buyers to lower their
costs, because I recharge Paypal fees.
How would this be for you?
In Buying, LegoLDK writes:
| | IBAN is often presented as a fee free alternative to PayPal. But people need
to be aware that it is a direct money transfer from the buyer's account to
the seller's account. If there is a problem with the order there is no way
to claim that money back if the seller does not agree to give it back. It's
like posting cash through someone's letterbox.
In other words if everyone used IBAN the site would be flooded with scam sellers.
It may be fee free, but it is not risk free. What PayPal should do is make it
clear that the fees pay for something other than just profit. Anyone who has
filed a successful PayPal claim will know what that fee paid for.
Offer multiple payment methods, with different prices and spell out exactly what
risks/benefits they come with. Then buyers can choose which method suits them
best.
In Buying, S_H_M writes:
| | Here in Europe buyers can pay by IBAN which is fee free. By charging the paypal
fee, buyers are aware that there is that fee, that that service isn't free.
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| | | | | Author: | popsicle | | Posted: | Sep 19, 2021 13:35 | | Subject: | (Cancelled) | | Viewed: | 80 times | | Topic: | Buying | |
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| | | | | | | Author: | 1974 | | Posted: | Sep 19, 2021 13:39 | | Subject: | (Cancelled) | | Viewed: | 68 times | | Topic: | Buying | |
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| In Buying, popsicle writes:
Darn, I'd really like your input
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | popsicle | | Posted: | Sep 19, 2021 13:43 | | Subject: | Re: (Cancelled) | | Viewed: | 83 times | | Topic: | Buying | |
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| In Buying, 1974 writes:
| | In Buying, popsicle writes:
Darn, I'd really like your input
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Right below you, Ole
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | 1974 | | Posted: | Sep 19, 2021 14:10 | | Subject: | Re: (Cancelled) | | Viewed: | 58 times | | Topic: | Buying | |
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| In Buying, popsicle writes:
| | Right below you, Ole
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I'm dumb. Please spell out that post of yours in words, not with a screenshot
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | popsicle | | Posted: | Sep 19, 2021 14:47 | | Subject: | Re: (Cancelled) | | Viewed: | 81 times | | Topic: | Buying | |
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| In Buying, 1974 writes:
| | In Buying, popsicle writes:
| | Right below you, Ole
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I'm dumb.
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Far from it, Ole. I no doubt should've posted elsewhere in the thread.
https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1304767
| | Please spell out that post of yours in words, not with a screenshot
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Your post (hardly a "rant" if salient and justified, imo) got me to digging around
the topic of fees, both BL and seller applied. Just happened across more anomalous
wording that can be added to what is a growing list.
Not responding to the gist of your post, sellers fee-banging buyers. It's
nothing new and I've not much to add of value on that topic. Sorry.
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| | | | | Author: | popsicle | | Posted: | Sep 19, 2021 13:41 | | Subject: | Re: Pleae BL, no more Wild West! | | Viewed: | 108 times | | Topic: | Buying | |
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| In Buying, 1974 writes:
| | Oi!
It's for the good of EVERYONE here that the prices of parts actually reflects
the cat/avg price guide
I'm VERY tired of sneaky ways to turn up the invoice to eleven!
Sellers :
You're most welcome to charge a gazillion in shipping, but be upfront about
it (and you wont get any ordres anyway if you do (that is, charging a gazillion))
Lots : Sure, do whatever you want. I understand
Adding to base price of order : Knock it off, no-one else who has a webshop selling
anything on this planet does that!
Sure, you need Paypal/BL fees, gas money, envelopes, yadda yadda ... ADD IT TO
YOUR DARN BASE PRICE OF PARTS!
When was the last time YOU bought anything of the net, that added that xxxx?!
Don't mess with the avg price guide!!
Just set a minimum order value if you don't want a one dollar order, please
I got particularly xxxxxx off reading this on a order I was about to make :
"I'll add DKK 11,00 and 10% to order total."
BL, you want to step into the 20th century (no typo). Please act like it!
I've been here +10 years and I'm SO tired of that stuff
Rant over
Ole
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Something else to address...
Checking fee billing amounts for our latest orders, the application of BL fees
are limited to what is termed “order total” And although I can’t speak to other
seller-applied fees (not empirically) they do stop short of the shipping amount
being factored.
Which brings up more questions for the site, in regards to wording “Fees are
charged based on the final dollar amount for each individual order that a seller
receives during a monthly billing period.” https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=38
Fees are actually charged based on the “order total” using BL’s phrasing, and
not “the final dollar amount for each individual order that a seller receives”
at least how it's reflected in our fee billing amounts.
-popsicle
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| | | | | Author: | Stellar | | Posted: | Sep 19, 2021 14:30 | | Subject: | Re: Pleae BL, no more Wild West! | | Viewed: | 58 times | | Topic: | Buying | |
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| In Buying, 1974 writes:
| | Oi!
It's for the good of EVERYONE here that the prices of parts actually reflects
the cat/avg price guide
I'm VERY tired of sneaky ways to turn up the invoice to eleven!
Sellers :
You're most welcome to charge a gazillion in shipping, but be upfront about
it (and you wont get any ordres anyway if you do (that is, charging a gazillion))
Lots : Sure, do whatever you want. I understand
Adding to base price of order : Knock it off, no-one else who has a webshop selling
anything on this planet does that!
Sure, you need Paypal/BL fees, gas money, envelopes, yadda yadda ... ADD IT TO
YOUR DARN BASE PRICE OF PARTS!
When was the last time YOU bought anything of the net, that added that xxxx?!
Don't mess with the avg price guide!!
Just set a minimum order value if you don't want a one dollar order, please
I got particularly xxxxxx off reading this on a order I was about to make :
"I'll add DKK 11,00 and 10% to order total."
BL, you want to step into the 20th century (no typo). Please act like it!
I've been here +10 years and I'm SO tired of that stuff
Rant over
Ole
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+1
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| | | | | Author: | eileenkeeney | | Posted: | Sep 19, 2021 14:56 | | Subject: | Re: Pleae BL, no more Wild West! | | Viewed: | 86 times | | Topic: | Buying | |
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| In Buying, 1974 writes:
| | Oi!
It's for the good of EVERYONE here that the prices of parts actually reflects
the cat/avg price guide
I'm VERY tired of sneaky ways to turn up the invoice to eleven!
Sellers :
You're most welcome to charge a gazillion in shipping, but be upfront about
it (and you wont get any ordres anyway if you do (that is, charging a gazillion))
Lots : Sure, do whatever you want. I understand
Adding to base price of order : Knock it off, no-one else who has a webshop selling
anything on this planet does that!
Sure, you need Paypal/BL fees, gas money, envelopes, yadda yadda ... ADD IT TO
YOUR DARN BASE PRICE OF PARTS!
When was the last time YOU bought anything of the net, that added that xxxx?!
Don't mess with the avg price guide!!
Just set a minimum order value if you don't want a one dollar order, please
I got particularly xxxxxx off reading this on a order I was about to make :
"I'll add DKK 11,00 and 10% to order total."
BL, you want to step into the 20th century (no typo). Please act like it!
I've been here +10 years and I'm SO tired of that stuff
Rant over
Ole
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Personally, I prefer a fee for orders under some amount over a minimum order.
Sometimes the store has the part I want, nothing else I want, and then I spend
time trying to find other stuff, just to get the part I want. If the store has
a good selection of basics (bricks, plates) at reasonable prices then getting
to a minimum is not an issue. But I have left stores. But I also recognize
each seller's right to set their terms. If it doesn't meet my needs,
I try another store.
Fees that directly correlate with costs make sense. Sometimes the cost is a
per order cost, and not well correlated with the value of the order. But for
% fees, these can be easily built into the price of the pieces.
Amazon includes shipping in the cost of each item (then claims to give free shipping).
Amazon runs a continual algorithm comparing prices and resetting their own prices.
They include shipping in this comparison. When they fail is in having their
algorithm recognize the lower (often zero) cost shipping that other sites offer
when ordering some specific value, or even multiple items. This causes Amazon
to not have the lowest price unless I would be ordering that one single item
from another seller. So building shipping cost into price, and still keeping
prices low, is not a simple algorithm.
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| | | | | | | Author: | legoman77 | | Posted: | Sep 19, 2021 15:12 | | Subject: | Re: Pleae BL, no more Wild West! | | Viewed: | 67 times | | Topic: | Buying | |
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| In Buying, eileenkeeney writes:
| | In Buying, 1974 writes:
So building shipping cost into price, and still keeping
prices low, is not a simple algorithm.
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I prefer to use this for an algorithm.
John P
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| | | | | | | Author: | manganschlamm | | Posted: | Sep 20, 2021 02:56 | | Subject: | Re: Pleae BL, no more Wild West! | | Viewed: | 43 times | | Topic: | Buying | |
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| In Buying, eileenkeeney writes:
| | In Buying, 1974 writes:
| | Oi!
It's for the good of EVERYONE here that the prices of parts actually reflects
the cat/avg price guide
I'm VERY tired of sneaky ways to turn up the invoice to eleven!
Sellers :
You're most welcome to charge a gazillion in shipping, but be upfront about
it (and you wont get any ordres anyway if you do (that is, charging a gazillion))
Lots : Sure, do whatever you want. I understand
Adding to base price of order : Knock it off, no-one else who has a webshop selling
anything on this planet does that!
Sure, you need Paypal/BL fees, gas money, envelopes, yadda yadda ... ADD IT TO
YOUR DARN BASE PRICE OF PARTS!
When was the last time YOU bought anything of the net, that added that xxxx?!
Don't mess with the avg price guide!!
Just set a minimum order value if you don't want a one dollar order, please
I got particularly xxxxxx off reading this on a order I was about to make :
"I'll add DKK 11,00 and 10% to order total."
BL, you want to step into the 20th century (no typo). Please act like it!
I've been here +10 years and I'm SO tired of that stuff
Rant over
Ole
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Personally, I prefer a fee for orders under some amount over a minimum order.
Sometimes the store has the part I want, nothing else I want, and then I spend
time trying to find other stuff, just to get the part I want. If the store has
a good selection of basics (bricks, plates) at reasonable prices then getting
to a minimum is not an issue. But I have left stores. But I also recognize
each seller's right to set their terms. If it doesn't meet my needs,
I try another store.
Fees that directly correlate with costs make sense. Sometimes the cost is a
per order cost, and not well correlated with the value of the order. But for
% fees, these can be easily built into the price of the pieces.
Amazon includes shipping in the cost of each item (then claims to give free shipping).
Amazon runs a continual algorithm comparing prices and resetting their own prices.
They include shipping in this comparison. When they fail is in having their
algorithm recognize the lower (often zero) cost shipping that other sites offer
when ordering some specific value, or even multiple items. This causes Amazon
to not have the lowest price unless I would be ordering that one single item
from another seller. So building shipping cost into price, and still keeping
prices low, is not a simple algorithm.
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A while ago I had a case where I placed an order with a store that offered IC
with onsite Paypal payment. Couple hours after I had paid the order, seller comes
back to stating that he forgot to add a fee for whatever reason and that I should
make a manual Paypal payment to cover that forgotten fee. I refused and took
the case (of course without revealing the identity of the store) to the forum
which supported my view that this fee would not be legal to charge after the
IC payment was completed. I pointed the store owner to the forum discussion and
he accepted that the fee would not be legal. So we should actually fight the
most excessive attempts to capitalize on fees.
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | Teup | | Posted: | Sep 20, 2021 03:20 | | Subject: | Re: Pleae BL, no more Wild West! | | Viewed: | 48 times | | Topic: | Buying | |
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| In Buying, manganschlamm writes:
| | I pointed the store owner to the forum discussion and he accepted that the fee would not be legal.
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I think this right here is a very important point, and it has also been my experience
with sellers (sometimes I do some term-raiding ). It seems that most sellers
who do something bad, are not fully aware that they are doing something bad,
and are actually willing to learn and do it right. So many of these issues that
we're seeing about illegal practises and terms are not some kind of fact
of life. They exist because Bricklink is enabling lack of professionalism.
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Ellum | | Posted: | Sep 20, 2021 04:18 | | Subject: | Re: Pleae BL, no more Wild West! | | Viewed: | 48 times | | Topic: | Buying | |
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| | | So many of these issues that
we're seeing about illegal practises and terms are not some kind of fact
of life. They exist because Bricklink is enabling lack of professionalism.
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Like sellers listing sets with missing stickers as complete and referring to
their own terms, disregarding BL's listing policy.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | yorbrick | | Posted: | Sep 20, 2021 04:24 | | Subject: | Re: Pleae BL, no more Wild West! | | Viewed: | 41 times | | Topic: | Buying | |
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| In Buying, Ellum writes:
| | | | So many of these issues that
we're seeing about illegal practises and terms are not some kind of fact
of life. They exist because Bricklink is enabling lack of professionalism.
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Like sellers listing sets with missing stickers as complete and referring to
their own terms, disregarding BL's listing policy.
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Where sellers are listing incomplete sets as complete as in the case of missing
stickers, you can report those listings.
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| | | | | Author: | yorbrick | | Posted: | Sep 19, 2021 16:00 | | Subject: | Re: Pleae BL, no more Wild West! | | Viewed: | 69 times | | Topic: | Buying | |
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Sure, you need Paypal/BL fees, gas money, envelopes, yadda yadda ... ADD IT TO
YOUR DARN BASE PRICE OF PARTS!
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How do you suggest sellers charge fixed per order costs on their base prices
for parts, considering orders vary in size. Trying to do this penalizes larger
orders and incentivizes smaller ones.
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| | | | | | | Author: | Stellar | | Posted: | Sep 19, 2021 16:20 | | Subject: | Re: Pleae BL, no more Wild West! | | Viewed: | 70 times | | Topic: | Buying | |
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| In Buying, yorbrick writes:
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Sure, you need Paypal/BL fees, gas money, envelopes, yadda yadda ... ADD IT TO
YOUR DARN BASE PRICE OF PARTS!
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How do you suggest sellers charge fixed per order costs on their base prices
for parts, considering orders vary in size. Trying to do this penalizes larger
orders and incentivizes smaller ones.
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% fees should be in the parts prices, and fixed cost added to the shipping, just
calculate an average, it can be done.
Almost none online shop charges you exact shipping from the post office.
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | yorbrick | | Posted: | Sep 19, 2021 16:31 | | Subject: | Re: Pleae BL, no more Wild West! | | Viewed: | 59 times | | Topic: | Buying | |
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| In Buying, Stellar writes:
| | In Buying, yorbrick writes:
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Sure, you need Paypal/BL fees, gas money, envelopes, yadda yadda ... ADD IT TO
YOUR DARN BASE PRICE OF PARTS!
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How do you suggest sellers charge fixed per order costs on their base prices
for parts, considering orders vary in size. Trying to do this penalizes larger
orders and incentivizes smaller ones.
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% fees should be in the parts prices, and fixed cost added to the shipping, just
calculate an average, it can be done.
Almost none online shop charges you exact shipping from the post office.
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Yes, that is what I do. Envelopes, and to some extent gas money, etc are a fixed
cost and so are better added to the shipping cost rather than to the base prices
of parts.
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Llewyn | | Posted: | Sep 20, 2021 06:25 | | Subject: | Re: Pleae BL, no more Wild West! | | Viewed: | 52 times | | Topic: | Buying | |
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| Yeah, but you're adding those into your shipping costs, which is right because
they are part of your cost of shipping. What you're not doing, or suggesting
or endorsing, is what the OP was complaining about: having a shipping cost, plus
a separate "order processing cost", plus a payment processing cost, plus a separate
per-lot charge or small order charge, plus... ad infinitum as a small number
of stores here do. It's clear that some sellers do that to reduce the apparent
cost of their parts for search purposes.
In Buying, yorbrick writes:
| | Yes, that is what I do. Envelopes, and to some extent gas money, etc are a fixed
cost and so are better added to the shipping cost rather than to the base prices
of parts.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | StonesHeart | | Posted: | Sep 20, 2021 06:29 | | Subject: | Re: Pleae BL, no more Wild West! | | Viewed: | 40 times | | Topic: | Buying | |
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| @Llewyn,
Are you sure people add all those costs in the way you mention?
I believe the calculation system just chooses 1 additional cost line and that
is the cheapest one for the customer.
Or perhaps I did not understand you correct? In that case can you explain how
sellers would do that?
In Buying, Llewyn writes:
| | Yeah, but you're adding those into your shipping costs, which is right because
they are part of your cost of shipping. What you're not doing, or suggesting
or endorsing, is what the OP was complaining about: having a shipping cost, plus
a separate "order processing cost", plus a payment processing cost, plus a separate
per-lot charge or small order charge, plus... ad infinitum as a small number
of stores here do. It's clear that some sellers do that to reduce the apparent
cost of their parts for search purposes.
In Buying, yorbrick writes:
| | Yes, that is what I do. Envelopes, and to some extent gas money, etc are a fixed
cost and so are better added to the shipping cost rather than to the base prices
of parts.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Llewyn | | Posted: | Sep 20, 2021 08:52 | | Subject: | Re: Pleae BL, no more Wild West! | | Viewed: | 56 times | | Topic: | Buying | |
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| How? I have no idea, as I've never tried to set up additional fees other
than shipping - as all my inventory is sets I'd like to factor that into
my prices too, but it doesn't really suit the BL price guide approach.
Does it work in practice? I also don't know that. I've visited stores
with terms with multiple additional charges listed, and then immediately emptied
my cart and bookmarked the store. It's quite possible it works as you think,
and that the OP's problem is largely exaggerated (my post was, obviously
I hope, to make the point that what Yorbrick's doing didn't seem problematic
at all).
In Buying, StonesHeart writes:
| | @Llewyn,
Are you sure people add all those costs in the way you mention?
I believe the calculation system just chooses 1 additional cost line and that
is the cheapest one for the customer.
Or perhaps I did not understand you correct? In that case can you explain how
sellers would do that?
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | yorbrick | | Posted: | Sep 20, 2021 07:01 | | Subject: | Re: Pleae BL, no more Wild West! | | Viewed: | 49 times | | Topic: | Buying | |
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| In Buying, Llewyn writes:
| | Yeah, but you're adding those into your shipping costs, which is right because
they are part of your cost of shipping. What you're not doing, or suggesting
or endorsing, is what the OP was complaining about: having a shipping cost, plus
a separate "order processing cost", plus a payment processing cost, plus a separate
per-lot charge or small order charge, plus... ad infinitum as a small number
of stores here do. It's clear that some sellers do that to reduce the apparent
cost of their parts for search purposes.
In Buying, yorbrick writes:
| | Yes, that is what I do. Envelopes, and to some extent gas money, etc are a fixed
cost and so are better added to the shipping cost rather than to the base prices
of parts.
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If you read it again, they say...
Sure, you need Paypal/BL fees, gas money, envelopes, yadda yadda ... ADD IT
TO
YOUR DARN BASE PRICE OF PARTS!
They are asking for this to be added to the base prices of parts. Which, to me,
is not the best way for per order costs.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Llewyn | | Posted: | Sep 20, 2021 08:46 | | Subject: | Re: Pleae BL, no more Wild West! | | Viewed: | 55 times | | Topic: | Buying | |
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| You're right, I'd read all the other posts and what the OP wants seems
to vary a bit  Should have gone back and checked which one you were responding
to.
In Buying, yorbrick writes:
| | If you read it again, they say...
Sure, you need Paypal/BL fees, gas money, envelopes, yadda yadda ... ADD IT
TO
YOUR DARN BASE PRICE OF PARTS!
They are asking for this to be added to the base prices of parts. Which, to me,
is not the best way for per order costs.
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| | | | | Author: | manganschlamm | | Posted: | Sep 20, 2021 02:46 | | Subject: | Re: Pleae BL, no more Wild West! | | Viewed: | 65 times | | Topic: | Buying | |
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| In Buying, 1974 writes:
| | Oi!
It's for the good of EVERYONE here that the prices of parts actually reflects
the cat/avg price guide
I'm VERY tired of sneaky ways to turn up the invoice to eleven!
Sellers :
You're most welcome to charge a gazillion in shipping, but be upfront about
it (and you wont get any ordres anyway if you do (that is, charging a gazillion))
Lots : Sure, do whatever you want. I understand
Adding to base price of order : Knock it off, no-one else who has a webshop selling
anything on this planet does that!
Sure, you need Paypal/BL fees, gas money, envelopes, yadda yadda ... ADD IT TO
YOUR DARN BASE PRICE OF PARTS!
When was the last time YOU bought anything of the net, that added that xxxx?!
Don't mess with the avg price guide!!
Just set a minimum order value if you don't want a one dollar order, please
I got particularly xxxxxx off reading this on a order I was about to make :
"I'll add DKK 11,00 and 10% to order total."
BL, you want to step into the 20th century (no typo). Please act like it!
I've been here +10 years and I'm SO tired of that stuff
Rant over
Ole
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I could not agree more. You are absolutely right. All these fees hidden in the
pages of terms of some stores have only one purpose, to lure the buyer into placing
an order because of cheap base prices for the parts, and then making profit from
the fees. This is why they are often hidden in the small print of the terms.
Like some very complex lot limit fee schemes. The way out is to force every store
to offer an option of IC with onsite payment. For standard parts, I exclusively
buy from stores that offer that option these days. Only when I am in need of
a very rare part I consider a store that does not offer it.
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| | | | | | | Author: | ZwarteMagica | | Posted: | Sep 20, 2021 03:03 | | Subject: | Re: Pleae BL, no more Wild West! | | Viewed: | 51 times | | Topic: | Buying | |
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| In Buying, manganschlamm writes:
| | In Buying, 1974 writes:
| | Oi!
It's for the good of EVERYONE here that the prices of parts actually reflects
the cat/avg price guide
I'm VERY tired of sneaky ways to turn up the invoice to eleven!
Sellers :
You're most welcome to charge a gazillion in shipping, but be upfront about
it (and you wont get any ordres anyway if you do (that is, charging a gazillion))
Lots : Sure, do whatever you want. I understand
Adding to base price of order : Knock it off, no-one else who has a webshop selling
anything on this planet does that!
Sure, you need Paypal/BL fees, gas money, envelopes, yadda yadda ... ADD IT TO
YOUR DARN BASE PRICE OF PARTS!
When was the last time YOU bought anything of the net, that added that xxxx?!
Don't mess with the avg price guide!!
Just set a minimum order value if you don't want a one dollar order, please
I got particularly xxxxxx off reading this on a order I was about to make :
"I'll add DKK 11,00 and 10% to order total."
BL, you want to step into the 20th century (no typo). Please act like it!
I've been here +10 years and I'm SO tired of that stuff
Rant over
Ole
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I could not agree more. You are absolutely right. All these fees hidden in the
pages of terms of some stores have only one purpose, to lure the buyer into placing
an order because of cheap base prices for the parts, and then making profit from
the fees. This is why they are often hidden in the small print of the terms.
Like some very complex lot limit fee schemes. The way out is to force every store
to offer an option of IC with onsite payment. For standard parts, I exclusively
buy from stores that offer that option these days. Only when I am in need of
a very rare part I consider a store that does not offer it.
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We agree mostly with your reply, we only charge our buyers the actual shipping
fee (yes it is a fee, because it is optional you can pickup your order at our
store without fees).
But before we can even consider IC which we love to do, BrickLink and the community
has to work out some problems communicated with BrickLink more than once.
There are many many dimensions missing in the catalog and there is no easy way
to find them. Recent update in the search function is a good step towards workable,
but not complete yet.
Easiest way to fix this (rather than waiting until all dimensions are added,
I guess this will take decades to complete) is to make every part with 0 (zero)
or ? (question mark) as a dimension, manual invoice only. In that way we can
safely use IC.
Also we do want a fully customizable invoice for IC, but the last update said
something about it, and I have not looked it up so could be this is as we wished
for.
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| | | | | Author: | leggodtshop | | Posted: | Sep 20, 2021 03:37 | | Subject: | Re: Pleae BL, no more Wild West! | | Viewed: | 61 times | | Topic: | Buying | |
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| In Buying, 1974 writes:
| | Oi!
It's for the good of EVERYONE here that the prices of parts actually reflects
the cat/avg price guide
I'm VERY tired of sneaky ways to turn up the invoice to eleven!
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[snip]
Take a look on BrickOwl, where it is impossible to have additional charges. There
you have item prices and shipping cost, nothing more. Sellers can't have
their own Terms & Conditions either. All is completely determined by BrickOwl.
No Wild West there.
Don't misunderstand, this is not a commercial I am NOT selling there. Personally
I don't like the dogmatic approach, your hands as seller are completely tied
up all you can do is follow the rules set by the site. And if you don't...
the risk of automatic suspension which can be very difficult to overcome.
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| | | | | | | Author: | yorbrick | | Posted: | Sep 20, 2021 03:59 | | Subject: | Re: Pleae BL, no more Wild West! | | Viewed: | 47 times | | Topic: | Buying | |
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| In Buying, patpendlego writes:
| | In Buying, 1974 writes:
| | Oi!
It's for the good of EVERYONE here that the prices of parts actually reflects
the cat/avg price guide
I'm VERY tired of sneaky ways to turn up the invoice to eleven!
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[snip]
Take a look on BrickOwl, where it is impossible to have additional charges. There
you have item prices and shipping cost, nothing more. Sellers can't have
their own Terms & Conditions either. All is completely determined by BrickOwl.
No Wild West there.
Don't misunderstand, this is not a commercial I am NOT selling there. Personally
I don't like the dogmatic approach, your hands as seller are completely tied
up all you can do is follow the rules set by the site. And if you don't...
the risk of automatic suspension which can be very difficult to overcome.
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Another good thing about brickowl is that you (normally) know the shipping price
at all stages of the order as the cart costsare clearly displayed, not just at
the third or fourth page of checkout.
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | leggodtshop | | Posted: | Sep 20, 2021 06:07 | | Subject: | Re: Pleae BL, no more Wild West! | | Viewed: | 48 times | | Topic: | Buying | |
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| In Buying, yorbrick writes:
| | In Buying, patpendlego writes:
| | In Buying, 1974 writes:
| | Oi!
It's for the good of EVERYONE here that the prices of parts actually reflects
the cat/avg price guide
I'm VERY tired of sneaky ways to turn up the invoice to eleven!
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[snip]
Take a look on BrickOwl, where it is impossible to have additional charges. There
you have item prices and shipping cost, nothing more. Sellers can't have
their own Terms & Conditions either. All is completely determined by BrickOwl.
No Wild West there.
Don't misunderstand, this is not a commercial I am NOT selling there. Personally
I don't like the dogmatic approach, your hands as seller are completely tied
up all you can do is follow the rules set by the site. And if you don't...
the risk of automatic suspension which can be very difficult to overcome.
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Another good thing about brickowl is that you (normally) know the shipping price
at all stages of the order as the cart costsare clearly displayed, not just at
the third or fourth page of checkout.
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Indeed, almost all is know in advance, except for possible VAT charges that might
possibly be know exactly only when the order is placed. But that is not a specific
BrickLink or BrickOwl problem, all distance sales has that issue.
Personally, I don't like it being completely submissive to the rules of an
OMP like this. Your independance as a seller is out the window, it looks too
much like you're an employee without being an employee.
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | peregrinator | | Posted: | Sep 20, 2021 06:35 | | Subject: | Re: Pleae BL, no more Wild West! | | Viewed: | 44 times | | Topic: | Buying | |
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| In Buying, yorbrick writes:
| | Another good thing about brickowl is that you (normally) know the shipping price
at all stages of the order as the cart costsare clearly displayed, not just at
the third or fourth page of checkout.
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Even on BL you can elect to show estimated shipping costs. I honestly don't
know why more sellers don't do this.
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | yorbrick | | Posted: | Sep 20, 2021 07:05 | | Subject: | Re: Pleae BL, no more Wild West! | | Viewed: | 51 times | | Topic: | Buying | |
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| In Buying, peregrinator writes:
| | In Buying, yorbrick writes:
| | Another good thing about brickowl is that you (normally) know the shipping price
at all stages of the order as the cart costsare clearly displayed, not just at
the third or fourth page of checkout.
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Even on BL you can elect to show estimated shipping costs. I honestly don't
know why more sellers don't do this.
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That is not the point here. Brickowl shows the postage costs set by the seller
for the cart as you fill it, without actually looking at the cart. That is, a
running total cost, all in. You know as soon as you add a part that takes you
over a postage threshold. It is a much better solution than the cart here.
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | zorbanj | | Posted: | Sep 20, 2021 07:55 | | Subject: | Re: Pleae BL, no more Wild West! | | Viewed: | 51 times | | Topic: | Buying | |
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| How do you do this? I can't find the setting.
In Buying, peregrinator writes:
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Even on BL you can elect to show estimated shipping costs. I honestly don't
know why more sellers don't do this.
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| | | | | Author: | Hurt | | Posted: | Sep 20, 2021 04:25 | | Subject: | Re: Pleae BL, no more Wild West! | | Viewed: | 58 times | | Topic: | Buying | |
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| | | | | Author: | yorbrick | | Posted: | Sep 20, 2021 04:34 | | Subject: | Re: Pleae BL, no more Wild West! | | Viewed: | 65 times | | Topic: | Buying | |
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| | | "I'll add DKK 11,00 and 10% to order total."
BL, you want to step into the 20th century (no typo). Please act like it!
I've been here +10 years and I'm SO tired of that stuff
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Check terms when you enter the store, and least favourite any like that. A couple
of minutes up front saves wasting time if you need to dump a cart later.
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