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 Author: jimontrack View Messages Posted By jimontrack
 Posted: Aug 16, 2021 01:02
 Subject: The ability to 'fill the void in a parcel'
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jimontrack (403)

Location:  Australia, Victoria
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Often, I am faced with a delivery, where, whilst the smallest parcel size available
was provided, there is still, plenty of space in it, of which I could of had
filled with more Lego from that seller/retailer.

I seek some options in, being able to do this when adding to an order.

--- Background ---

As you understand, I have items on each of six levels of priorities as follows,

#1, URGENTLY NEEDED, I have a moc I need to build in the next weeks. Say, its
for a show, or to be done by a particular event such as a birthday or etc.

#2, MOC ON STANDBY, I have a MOC sitting there, needing these missing parts to
complete it.

#3, URGENT SPARES. Similar to the above, but, I do not know how many I need,
and, will always get extras now just in case. Whatever the store has, depending
on finance etc.

#4, ANYTIME SOON. I have a moc idea, for later in time, but will not buy the
parts for that MOC just yet, unless I find them at a good bargain. I am most
likely on the lookout for these parts at a good price, or, if I see it with a
store, I am buying #1 or #2 from, I may buy those there and then also. Otherwise,
I would rather wait.

#5, JUST BOOSTING STOCKS, I dont have a MOC idea for these, but, may like to
add these to a MOC sometime later in the future.

#6, FUN TO COLLECT. I will buy these, only to fill my budget, and/or if I find
them at a good rate.

-------

Naturally, with time, and finances being limited, I need to set priorities on
what to get now, and what to hold off for later. So, I have these many sub-lists.

HOW/WHEN WILL THIS HELP
Often, I, place an order with priorities #1, or #2. But, I still have #3,
#4 and #5 parts I would like to get too. But, naturally, these are not in the
current order, as, I just can not justify them 'just like that'.

However, knowing there is space inside the existing parcel, may be the one thing,
that would have me want to get one or two extra pieces while I am there.


WHAT I SEEK

There are some ways of doing this.

#1, Let the retailer specify how much space there is, and somehow be able to
fill that virtually in some way?

#2, Be able to provide a list to the retailer, and ask, to fill what you can
of these. Perhaps in any order or priority??

#3, Be able to split my wishlist, into these priorities.
 Author: hpoort View Messages Posted By hpoort
 Posted: Aug 16, 2021 05:24
 Subject: Re: The ability to 'fill the void in a parcel'
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hpoort (410)

Location:  Netherlands, Groningen
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In Suggestions, jimontrack writes:
[...]
  WHAT I SEEK

There are some ways of doing this.

#1, Let the retailer specify how much space there is, and somehow be able to
fill that virtually in some way?

It's rare that the order is space constraint; much more likely that adding
more bricks will bring it up to the next weight band. That information is already
shown in your shopping basket or at checkout. Some sellers even have this in
their payment instruction message: "your order currently weighs x grams; you
can add upto y grams for the same shipping cost".

In practice, I've never really considered these factors when choosing what
to order extra. Only things like: will this become a package or stay a small
envelope.

  
#2, Be able to provide a list to the retailer, and ask, to fill what you can
of these. Perhaps in any order or priority??

That's what the wanted lists are for and for you to choose.

  
#3, Be able to split my wishlist, into these priorities.

You can use as many wanted lists as you like, be it a single one or a hundred.
When in a shop, you can toggle these separate lists on and off.
 Author: tons_of_bricks View Messages Posted By tons_of_bricks
 Posted: Aug 16, 2021 06:26
 Subject: Re: The ability to 'fill the void in a parcel'
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tons_of_bricks (12720)

Location:  USA, Missouri
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In Suggestions, hpoort writes:
  In Suggestions, jimontrack writes:
[...]
  WHAT I SEEK

There are some ways of doing this.

#1, Let the retailer specify how much space there is, and somehow be able to
fill that virtually in some way?

It's rare that the order is space constraint; much more likely that adding
more bricks will bring it up to the next weight band. That information is already
shown in your shopping basket or at checkout. Some sellers even have this in
their payment instruction message: "your order currently weighs x grams; you
can add upto y grams for the same shipping cost".

In practice, I've never really considered these factors when choosing what
to order extra. Only things like: will this become a package or stay a small
envelope.


This. Sure, there may be extra room in the package, but to fill it would jump
the weight and the shipping price up by quite a bit. One of the main boxes I
use for first class is 5 cubed. To completely fill the box would increase the
weight to over a pound; so I would then put it into a priority box, which is
larger. So now you have even more space to fill, and your shipping charge just
jumped up a bunch.

Also, how in the world would the shipper notify as to how much space is left?
I don't know what package I'm going to use until after I've put the
order together and am ready to ship it. To notify customers of how much space
is left would then delay the shipment, which most customers wouldn't appreciate.
Then what do I tell them, that there is .67 x 1.3 x .897 inches left available
in the package? I'm not going to take the time to figure that out first of
all, then that wouldn't even be much help to the customer to figure out exactly
how much more he can fit.

Sorry, but this is one of those ideas that sounds good on paper, but would have
many flaws and issues if people tried to put it into practice.
 Author: jimontrack View Messages Posted By jimontrack
 Posted: Aug 16, 2021 22:50
 Subject: Re: The ability to 'fill the void in a parcel'
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jimontrack (403)

Location:  Australia, Victoria
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In Suggestions, firestar246 writes:
  In Suggestions, hpoort writes:
  In Suggestions, jimontrack writes:
[...]
  WHAT I SEEK

There are some ways of doing this.

#1, Let the retailer specify how much space there is, and somehow be able to
fill that virtually in some way?

It's rare that the order is space constraint; much more likely that adding
more bricks will bring it up to the next weight band. That information is already
shown in your shopping basket or at checkout. Some sellers even have this in
their payment instruction message: "your order currently weighs x grams; you
can add upto y grams for the same shipping cost".

In practice, I've never really considered these factors when choosing what
to order extra. Only things like: will this become a package or stay a small
envelope.


This. Sure, there may be extra room in the package, but to fill it would jump
the weight and the shipping price up by quite a bit. One of the main boxes I
use for first class is 5 cubed. To completely fill the box would increase the
weight to over a pound; so I would then put it into a priority box, which is
larger. So now you have even more space to fill, and your shipping charge just
jumped up a bunch.

Also, how in the world would the shipper notify as to how much space is left?
I don't know what package I'm going to use until after I've put the
order together and am ready to ship it. To notify customers of how much space
is left would then delay the shipment, which most customers wouldn't appreciate.
Then what do I tell them, that there is .67 x 1.3 x .897 inches left available
in the package? I'm not going to take the time to figure that out first of
all, then that wouldn't even be much help to the customer to figure out exactly
how much more he can fit.

Sorry, but this is one of those ideas that sounds good on paper, but would have
many flaws and issues if people tried to put it into practice.

What if this was optional?

Let the store decide if they want to specify this or not?
 Author: yorbrick View Messages Posted By yorbrick
 Posted: Aug 17, 2021 02:31
 Subject: Re: The ability to 'fill the void in a parcel'
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yorbrick (1182)

Location:  United Kingdom, England
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In Suggestions, jimontrack writes:
  In Suggestions, firestar246 writes:
  In Suggestions, hpoort writes:
  In Suggestions, jimontrack writes:
[...]
  WHAT I SEEK

There are some ways of doing this.

#1, Let the retailer specify how much space there is, and somehow be able to
fill that virtually in some way?

It's rare that the order is space constraint; much more likely that adding
more bricks will bring it up to the next weight band. That information is already
shown in your shopping basket or at checkout. Some sellers even have this in
their payment instruction message: "your order currently weighs x grams; you
can add upto y grams for the same shipping cost".

In practice, I've never really considered these factors when choosing what
to order extra. Only things like: will this become a package or stay a small
envelope.


This. Sure, there may be extra room in the package, but to fill it would jump
the weight and the shipping price up by quite a bit. One of the main boxes I
use for first class is 5 cubed. To completely fill the box would increase the
weight to over a pound; so I would then put it into a priority box, which is
larger. So now you have even more space to fill, and your shipping charge just
jumped up a bunch.

Also, how in the world would the shipper notify as to how much space is left?
I don't know what package I'm going to use until after I've put the
order together and am ready to ship it. To notify customers of how much space
is left would then delay the shipment, which most customers wouldn't appreciate.
Then what do I tell them, that there is .67 x 1.3 x .897 inches left available
in the package? I'm not going to take the time to figure that out first of
all, then that wouldn't even be much help to the customer to figure out exactly
how much more he can fit.

Sorry, but this is one of those ideas that sounds good on paper, but would have
many flaws and issues if people tried to put it into practice.

What if this was optional?

Let the store decide if they want to specify this or not?

It already exists in a way.

Fill up your cart in an instant checkout store and check the shipping price.
Put more in and check if the shipping price has changed. Repeat until it changes,
then remove the last added items until the price drops again.
 Author: Shiny_Stuff View Messages Posted By Shiny_Stuff
 Posted: Aug 17, 2021 02:51
 Subject: Re: The ability to 'fill the void in a parcel'
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Shiny_Stuff (1269)

Location:  USA, New York
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Store: Shiny Stuff
In Suggestions, jimontrack writes:
  In Suggestions, firestar246 writes:
  In Suggestions, hpoort writes:
  In Suggestions, jimontrack writes:
[...]
  WHAT I SEEK

There are some ways of doing this.

#1, Let the retailer specify how much space there is, and somehow be able to
fill that virtually in some way?

It's rare that the order is space constraint; much more likely that adding
more bricks will bring it up to the next weight band. That information is already
shown in your shopping basket or at checkout. Some sellers even have this in
their payment instruction message: "your order currently weighs x grams; you
can add upto y grams for the same shipping cost".

In practice, I've never really considered these factors when choosing what
to order extra. Only things like: will this become a package or stay a small
envelope.


This. Sure, there may be extra room in the package, but to fill it would jump
the weight and the shipping price up by quite a bit. One of the main boxes I
use for first class is 5 cubed. To completely fill the box would increase the
weight to over a pound; so I would then put it into a priority box, which is
larger. So now you have even more space to fill, and your shipping charge just
jumped up a bunch.

Also, how in the world would the shipper notify as to how much space is left?
I don't know what package I'm going to use until after I've put the
order together and am ready to ship it. To notify customers of how much space
is left would then delay the shipment, which most customers wouldn't appreciate.
Then what do I tell them, that there is .67 x 1.3 x .897 inches left available
in the package? I'm not going to take the time to figure that out first of
all, then that wouldn't even be much help to the customer to figure out exactly
how much more he can fit.

Sorry, but this is one of those ideas that sounds good on paper, but would have
many flaws and issues if people tried to put it into practice.

What if this was optional?

Let the store decide if they want to specify this or not?


Here are some thoughts on this:

1. Due to the BL PAY NOW buttons and the use of various electronic devices used
to view invoices, it seems that almost NOBODY actually reads BL invoices anymore.
It used to be necessary (most of the time) for buyers to read the invoice to
then copy-and-paste the sellers paypal account info in order to make payment.
Now, it's one-click and it's paid much of the time.

This means that messages from sellers to their customers in the invoice now get
missed as unread. I have experienced this, with unhappy results sometimes.

2. As others have pointed out, shipping costs are more often dependent upon
weight than volume. The use of Flat-Rate shipping containers, if available,
can possibly switch the cost of shipping factor back to volume and make void
space in a package a valid concern. And moving from one specific size of flat-rate
box to the next can mean a significant price jump meaning that any new void space
in the bigger container could mean expensive air for the buyer that could have
been filled with more Lego.

Using the new upcoming USPS rates chart -- USA to Australia -- you can
see the price differences when moving to the next size container.
 
 Author: Llewyn View Messages Posted By Llewyn
 Posted: Aug 17, 2021 04:21
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Certainly agree on 1. I think of myself as a fairly savvy buyer but tend to skip
the content of invoices for a few reasons:
- I know roughly what I expect the total to be, and unless it's significantly
different there's no reason to assume the seller's made a mistake
- They present terribly on the website too, and look like a template designed
for either fixed-width fonts or tabulated printing but displayed in a proportional
font
- Most importantly, they're irrelevant - by the time I get an invoice I'm
committed to paying whatever it is, and the only way that changes is if the seller's
made a clear mistake in applying their terms

That said, I think any buyer who wanted this kind of info at point of invoice
would probably be looking for it. It's still a clearly unworkable suggestion
though.

In Suggestions, Shiny_Stuff writes:
  Here are some thoughts on this:

1. Due to the BL PAY NOW buttons and the use of various electronic devices used
to view invoices, it seems that almost NOBODY actually reads BL invoices anymore.
It used to be necessary (most of the time) for buyers to read the invoice to
then copy-and-paste the sellers paypal account info in order to make payment.
Now, it's one-click and it's paid much of the time.

This means that messages from sellers to their customers in the invoice now get
missed as unread. I have experienced this, with unhappy results sometimes.
 Author: tons_of_bricks View Messages Posted By tons_of_bricks
 Posted: Aug 17, 2021 06:37
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tons_of_bricks (12720)

Location:  USA, Missouri
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In Suggestions, jimontrack writes:

  
What if this was optional?

Let the store decide if they want to specify this or not?

You would probably have so few (or none) sellers opt in that it would be practically
non-existent.

It simply isn't practical. Like I asked before, how would a seller specify
how much space is left? By going to the hundredth of an inch? Stating how many
1x1 bricks could fit? How would that help the buyer know how to fill it if they
want a variety of shapes of pieces? No buyer is going to want to do the math
to figure out how many pieces can fit in certain dimensions.

Then there would be a lot of going back and forth. Buyer wants to add so many
pieces, seller responds that they almost all fit but not quite, so the buyer
has to remove a couple. Buyer responds with what he wants removed. Seller responds
stating that the shipping price has now increased due to the added weight and
needs to pay more shipping. Now there's a chance that because of the extra
shipping, buyer decides to forget it and just go with original order. Now a lot
of time has been wasted. That's probably the most extreme example, but would
most likely happen. A couple times like that, and I would forget the whole thing
and opt out.

As others have pointed out, its not so much space that is an issue, but the weight.
For those pieces that you don't need as much, put them in one of your carts.
If the shipping doesn't change, then most likely they're fitting in that
extra space in the package.