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| | | Author: | Steineflut  | | Posted: | Jul 20, 2021 06:08 | | Subject: | Inventory Change Request for Set 163-1 | | Viewed: | 50 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests (Entry) | | Status: | Open | |
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| Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Delete 4 Part 3185 Black Fence 1 x 4 x 2
* Delete 4 Part 3358 Black Fence Gate 1 x 3 x 2
* Delete 4 Part 3359 Black Fence Gate 1 x 3 x 2 Base
Comments from Submitter:
These parts are not part of the set. They are not in the building instructions and can't be seen anywhere on pictures. They simply don't exist.
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| | | | | Author: | Turez | | Posted: | Jul 20, 2021 07:32 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 163-1 | | Viewed: | 31 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
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| In Inventories Requests, Steineflut writes:
| | Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Delete 4 Part 3185 Black Fence 1 x 4 x 2
* Delete 4 Part 3358 Black Fence Gate 1 x 3 x 2
* Delete 4 Part 3359 Black Fence Gate 1 x 3 x 2 Base
Comments from Submitter:
These parts are not part of the set. They are not in the building instructions and can't be seen anywhere on pictures. They simply don't exist.
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The parts are shown on one side of the box and were added to the inventory many
years ago be a known and reliable contributer.
http://www.peeron.com/inv/sets/163-1?showpic=11770
Do you have any evidence that they were not included in the set?
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| | | | | | | Author: | Steineflut | | Posted: | Jul 20, 2021 07:54 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 163-1 | | Viewed: | 30 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
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| In Inventories Requests, Turez writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, Steineflut writes:
| | Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Delete 4 Part 3185 Black Fence 1 x 4 x 2
* Delete 4 Part 3358 Black Fence Gate 1 x 3 x 2
* Delete 4 Part 3359 Black Fence Gate 1 x 3 x 2 Base
Comments from Submitter:
These parts are not part of the set. They are not in the building instructions and can't be seen anywhere on pictures. They simply don't exist.
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The parts are shown on one side of the box and were added to the inventory many
years ago be a known and reliable contributer.
http://www.peeron.com/inv/sets/163-1?showpic=11770
Do you have any evidence that they were not included in the set?
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Interesting! I did not see that. However, I think they are still not part of
the inventory!
I bought a set from the original owner (super good condition, stickers are still
untouched) and the only things missing are those that are not shown in the instructions.
In addition to those mentioned above I found that there are other bricks not
in the correct amount as they are NOT in the instructions and were also not included
in my set:
- 4 1x4 bricks blue (8 are currently in the ivnentory, only 4 are included for
build B)
- 1 1x2 plate blue (2 are currently in the ivnentory, only 1 is included for
build C step 4)
- 3 2x3 plate blue (4 are currently in the ivnentory, only 1 is included for
build C step 7)
- 5 2x4 plate light gray (there's none needed for any build and none included
but 5 in BL inventory)
It would be a weird coincidence that those that are only shown on the outside
pictures are by accident the ones missing from my set.
- Nadine
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | SezaR | | Posted: | Jul 20, 2021 13:31 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 163-1 | | Viewed: | 32 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
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| In Inventories Requests, Steineflut writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, Turez writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, Steineflut writes:
| | Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Delete 4 Part 3185 Black Fence 1 x 4 x 2
* Delete 4 Part 3358 Black Fence Gate 1 x 3 x 2
* Delete 4 Part 3359 Black Fence Gate 1 x 3 x 2 Base
Comments from Submitter:
These parts are not part of the set. They are not in the building instructions and can't be seen anywhere on pictures. They simply don't exist.
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The parts are shown on one side of the box and were added to the inventory many
years ago be a known and reliable contributer.
http://www.peeron.com/inv/sets/163-1?showpic=11770
Do you have any evidence that they were not included in the set?
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Interesting! I did not see that. However, I think they are still not part of
the inventory!
I bought a set from the original owner (super good condition, stickers are still
untouched) and the only things missing are those that are not shown in the instructions.
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What is the length of wire in your set?
| | In addition to those mentioned above I found that there are other bricks not
in the correct amount as they are NOT in the instructions and were also not included
in my set:
- 4 1x4 bricks blue (8 are currently in the ivnentory, only 4 are included for
build B)
- 1 1x2 plate blue (2 are currently in the ivnentory, only 1 is included for
build C step 4)
- 3 2x3 plate blue (4 are currently in the ivnentory, only 1 is included for
build C step 7)
- 5 2x4 plate light gray (there's none needed for any build and none included
but 5 in BL inventory)
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Maybe you can build other models on the back of the set and see if these bricks
are used?
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It would be a weird coincidence that those that are only shown on the outside
pictures are by accident the ones missing from my set.
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This can be simply because these are exactly those bricks not used on the main
model.
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Steineflut | | Posted: | Jul 21, 2021 06:08 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 163-1 | | Viewed: | 33 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
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| In Inventories Requests, SezaR writes:
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What is the length of wire in your set?
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One is exactly 50cm, the other one is a little shorter but has some bigger knots
on both ends and a bit of fraying so it's safe to say it used to be 50cm
when new.
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Maybe you can build other models on the back of the set and see if these bricks
are used?
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Looking at the pictures I think the additional bricks are a mixture of "we should
add them because they are on the box art" and mistakes that have been made because
the set has a A, B and C build. Looking at the history when things were added,
changed and deleted, it suffered a lot of this confusion in the past.
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This can be simply because these are exactly those bricks not used on the main
model.
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Modell C was still partly built in the box. But it included all the parts that
were for build A and build B exclusively as well. (like for example all the slopes
and inverted slopes. You only need them for build A and yet, they were still
in there).
So yeah, I am pretty certain the inventory was created on assumption that the
side box art was included in the set which imo it is not.
- Nadine
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Turez | | Posted: | Jul 21, 2021 13:13 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 163-1 | | Viewed: | 30 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
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| In Inventories Requests, Steineflut writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, SezaR writes:
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What is the length of wire in your set?
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One is exactly 50cm, the other one is a little shorter but has some bigger knots
on both ends and a bit of fraying so it's safe to say it used to be 50cm
when new.
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Maybe you can build other models on the back of the set and see if these bricks
are used?
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Looking at the pictures I think the additional bricks are a mixture of "we should
add them because they are on the box art" and mistakes that have been made because
the set has a A, B and C build. Looking at the history when things were added,
changed and deleted, it suffered a lot of this confusion in the past.
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This can be simply because these are exactly those bricks not used on the main
model.
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Modell C was still partly built in the box. But it included all the parts that
were for build A and build B exclusively as well. (like for example all the slopes
and inverted slopes. You only need them for build A and yet, they were still
in there).
So yeah, I am pretty certain the inventory was created on assumption that the
side box art was included in the set which imo it is not.
- Nadine
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I will leave this open for a while as I don't have the time right now to
take a closer look at this. But I know there are a few more sets from that era
which also have parts in the inventory which are only shown on one side of the
box (and where it has been mentioned they were not included in the set).
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | TakeAbricK | | Posted: | May 21, 2022 05:17 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 163-1 | | Viewed: | 25 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
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| In Inventories Requests, Steineflut writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, SezaR writes:
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What is the length of wire in your set?
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One is exactly 50cm, the other one is a little shorter but has some bigger knots
on both ends and a bit of fraying so it's safe to say it used to be 50cm
when new.
| |
Maybe you can build other models on the back of the set and see if these bricks
are used?
|
Looking at the pictures I think the additional bricks are a mixture of "we should
add them because they are on the box art" and mistakes that have been made because
the set has a A, B and C build. Looking at the history when things were added,
changed and deleted, it suffered a lot of this confusion in the past.
| |
This can be simply because these are exactly those bricks not used on the main
model.
|
Modell C was still partly built in the box. But it included all the parts that
were for build A and build B exclusively as well. (like for example all the slopes
and inverted slopes. You only need them for build A and yet, they were still
in there).
So yeah, I am pretty certain the inventory was created on assumption that the
side box art was included in the set which imo it is not.
- Nadine
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The inventory was probably created (source unknown) by copying the inventory
from Peeron, which was based on instruction. The instruction indeed doesn't
show the parts you don't have. But collecting and checking many inventories
over the years, I know that instructions don't always show all alternate
builds.
The changes to the inventory were not made on the assumption that the
side box art was included, but were made because they were included in the box
ánd shown on the box.
I bought this set in like new condition (not sealed) and had no reason to believe
that these parts shouldn't be in there (for they are shown on the box). At
the time I bought the set, the Bricklink inventory didn't show these parts,
so why would someone add these parts in almost new condition, when they were
not in the box from origin.
Given all this, I can't approve this request, to remove these fences.
Other sites also have these fences in the inventory and I also found the set
for sale including these fences.
The only way to be 100% sure is to open a sealed set though. But I think it would
be very reared not include items that are shown on the box.
Diana
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