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| | | Author: | BrickSports  | | Posted: | Jul 18, 2021 17:27 | | Subject: | Amazing Sales?? | | Viewed: | 412 times | | Topic: | General | |
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| Almost on a daily basis I see the most incredible Sales in the discussion forum.
20, 30, sometimes even 80% off. Weren't theses prices to high to begin with?
Who are we fooling? Should't we stop this? Would like to hear you thoughts.
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| | | | | Author: | Stuart9 | | Posted: | Jul 18, 2021 17:51 | | Subject: | Re: Amazing Sales?? | | Viewed: | 105 times | | Topic: | General | |
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| Many aren’t true sales but there are genuine examples.
I hate all these false ones but I don’t think it’s really possible to do anything
about it and I don’t think anyone should try.
Everyone is free to price things at whatever price and therefore free to discount
as they like, it’s a free market
In General, BrickSports writes:
| | Almost on a daily basis I see the most incredible Sales in the discussion forum.
20, 30, sometimes even 80% off. Weren't theses prices to high to begin with?
Who are we fooling? Should't we stop this? Would like to hear you thoughts.
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| | | | | | | Author: | infinibrix | | Posted: | Jul 19, 2021 06:49 | | Subject: | (Cancelled) | | Viewed: | 38 times | | Topic: | General | |
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| | | | | | | Author: | infinibrix | | Posted: | Jul 19, 2021 06:55 | | Subject: | Re: Amazing Sales?? - Implement Restrictions! | | Viewed: | 68 times | | Topic: | General | |
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| In General, Stuart9 writes:
| | Many aren’t true sales but there are genuine examples.
I hate all these false ones but I don’t think it’s really possible to do anything
about it and I don’t think anyone should try.
Everyone is free to price things at whatever price and therefore free to discount
as they like, it’s a free market
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Yes I agree that people should be able to change/discount their items at any
time but when it comes to having the benefit of an 'On Sale' feature
hightlighted throughout a store there should be restrictions where it can only
be used and applied to items where the prices have remained unchanged for a set
period of time be that 2 months, 3 months etc..
After all a sale is only a sale if its cheaper than what the seller usually sells
their items at and its also only a sale if the pricing eventually returns to
its original price!
There are too many sellers with permanent, never ending so called sales along
with newbie sellers who are apparently having a huge sale right from the moment
they open shop which I think makes a bit of a mockery of having a sale feature.
In fact I would go as far as to say that BL should remove the feature until such
time that they can program and implement restrictions so that it can only be
applied under appropriate circumstances. By all means allow sellers to continue
with discounting their entire inventory but while there is so much abuse of the
so called sale I'd sooner we did away with misleading sales icons alongside
items which may/most probably not discounted!
With a bit of programing BL could restrict the length of time an item price needs
to remain unchanged before a sale discount can be applied to it. There also needs
to be a maximum period of time that the sale can be active before it returns
back to original price again whereby the items would need to continue to remain
unchanged for the same set period of time before they can go back on sale again.
If sellers expect their items to remain at a permanet lowered price then it is
not a sale and they'd need to manually set it at a price point of their choosing
rather than trying to claim its on sale
Also by activating a sale it could then automatically post a link in the forum
that way everyone knows they are being notified about an authentic sale. Any
other random forum post about sales could then be taken with a pinch of salt
or better still removed by admins to save us all a load of bother!
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| | | | | Author: | popsicle | | Posted: | Jul 18, 2021 18:34 | | Subject: | Re: Amazing Sales?? | | Viewed: | 128 times | | Topic: | Sales | |
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| In General, BrickSports writes:
| | Almost on a daily basis I see the most incredible Sales in the discussion forum.
20, 30, sometimes even 80% off. Weren't theses prices to high to begin with?
Who are we fooling? Should't we stop this? Would like to hear you thoughts.
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Yeah, I know what you mean, not cool. Though if I could add one more thought:
ConstrucToys is running a fantastic sale on Star Wars minifigs, with some of
the lowest prices found anywhere! (within our zipcode) 
https://store.bricklink.com/popsicle&utm_content=globalnav#/shop
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| | | | | | | Author: | Phantom_Buyer | | Posted: | Jul 18, 2021 19:16 | | Subject: | Re: Amazing Sales?? | | Viewed: | 85 times | | Topic: | Sales | |
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| In Sales, popsicle writes:
| | In General, BrickSports writes:
| | Almost on a daily basis I see the most incredible Sales in the discussion forum.
20, 30, sometimes even 80% off. Weren't theses prices to high to begin with?
Who are we fooling? Should't we stop this? Would like to hear you thoughts.
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Yeah, I know what you mean, not cool. Though if I could add one more thought:
ConstrucToys is running a fantastic sale on Star Wars minifigs, with some of
the lowest prices found anywhere! (within our zipcode)
https://store.bricklink.com/popsicle&utm_content=globalnav#/shop
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too good 😂
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | popsicle | | Posted: | Jul 19, 2021 08:17 | | Subject: | Re: Amazing Sales?? | | Viewed: | 44 times | | Topic: | Sales | |
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| In Sales, Phantom_Buyer writes:
| | In Sales, popsicle writes:
| | In General, BrickSports writes:
| | Almost on a daily basis I see the most incredible Sales in the discussion forum.
20, 30, sometimes even 80% off. Weren't theses prices to high to begin with?
Who are we fooling? Should't we stop this? Would like to hear you thoughts.
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Yeah, I know what you mean, not cool. Though if I could add one more thought:
ConstrucToys is running a fantastic sale on Star Wars minifigs, with some of
the lowest prices found anywhere! (within our zipcode)
https://store.bricklink.com/popsicle&utm_content=globalnav#/shop
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too good 😂
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Thanks. It is getting harder to find a sense of humor around here 
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | infinibrix | | Posted: | Jul 19, 2021 08:23 | | Subject: | Re: Amazing Sales?? | | Viewed: | 46 times | | Topic: | Sales | |
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| In Sales, popsicle writes:
| | In Sales, Phantom_Buyer writes:
| | In Sales, popsicle writes:
| | In General, BrickSports writes:
| | Almost on a daily basis I see the most incredible Sales in the discussion forum.
20, 30, sometimes even 80% off. Weren't theses prices to high to begin with?
Who are we fooling? Should't we stop this? Would like to hear you thoughts.
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Yeah, I know what you mean, not cool. Though if I could add one more thought:
ConstrucToys is running a fantastic sale on Star Wars minifigs, with some of
the lowest prices found anywhere! (within our zipcode)
https://store.bricklink.com/popsicle&utm_content=globalnav#/shop
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too good 😂
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Thanks. It is getting harder to find a sense of humor around here
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Sadly I lost mine from using the Bricklink forum too much 
Oh wait I seem to have located it again
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | popsicle | | Posted: | Jul 19, 2021 09:07 | | Subject: | Re: Amazing Sales?? | | Viewed: | 71 times | | Topic: | Sales | |
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| In Sales, infinibrix writes:
| | In Sales, popsicle writes:
| | In Sales, Phantom_Buyer writes:
| | In Sales, popsicle writes:
| | In General, BrickSports writes:
| | Almost on a daily basis I see the most incredible Sales in the discussion forum.
20, 30, sometimes even 80% off. Weren't theses prices to high to begin with?
Who are we fooling? Should't we stop this? Would like to hear you thoughts.
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Yeah, I know what you mean, not cool. Though if I could add one more thought:
ConstrucToys is running a fantastic sale on Star Wars minifigs, with some of
the lowest prices found anywhere! (within our zipcode)
https://store.bricklink.com/popsicle&utm_content=globalnav#/shop
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too good 😂
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Thanks. It is getting harder to find a sense of humor around here
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Sadly I lost mine from using the Bricklink forum too much
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It can be a debbie downer or bernie bummer around here, not nearly as free
flowing and fun as it used be with all of the ups and downs that entailed
Now it's more down and that's the sad aspect (for me anyway)
If you can make a few people laugh, maybe lighten the mood too, it shouldn't
in anyway be viewed as detracting from the topic/point at hand. It doesn't
make it less salient, to the contrary. Just taking oneself less seriously, is
all.
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Oh wait I seem to have located it again
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Nah, you never lost it. You've always been willing to find the humor, imo.
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Phantom_Buyer | | Posted: | Jul 19, 2021 16:29 | | Subject: | Re: Amazing Sales?? | | Viewed: | 61 times | | Topic: | Sales | |
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| In Sales, popsicle writes:
| | In Sales, Phantom_Buyer writes:
| | In Sales, popsicle writes:
| | In General, BrickSports writes:
| | Almost on a daily basis I see the most incredible Sales in the discussion forum.
20, 30, sometimes even 80% off. Weren't theses prices to high to begin with?
Who are we fooling? Should't we stop this? Would like to hear you thoughts.
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Yeah, I know what you mean, not cool. Though if I could add one more thought:
ConstrucToys is running a fantastic sale on Star Wars minifigs, with some of
the lowest prices found anywhere! (within our zipcode)
https://store.bricklink.com/popsicle&utm_content=globalnav#/shop
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too good 😂
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Thanks. It is getting harder to find a sense of humor around here
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I've never enjoyed the furoms as much as I have recently especially with
the whole "replying to one's self" comment. Never laughed harder on the furoms,
especially with the replies of the community to the post. I apologize for bringing
it up but it is the funniest thing I've seen since I joined Bricklink.
Take care, - SB
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | cosmicray | | Posted: | Jul 19, 2021 17:49 | | Subject: | Re: Amazing Sales?? | | Viewed: | 45 times | | Topic: | Sales | |
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| In Sales, popsicle writes:
| | In Sales, Phantom_Buyer writes:
| | In Sales, popsicle writes:
| | In General, BrickSports writes:
| | Almost on a daily basis I see the most incredible Sales in the discussion forum.
20, 30, sometimes even 80% off. Weren't theses prices to high to begin with?
Who are we fooling? Should't we stop this? Would like to hear you thoughts.
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Yeah, I know what you mean, not cool. Though if I could add one more thought:
ConstrucToys is running a fantastic sale on Star Wars minifigs, with some of
the lowest prices found anywhere! (within our zipcode)
https://store.bricklink.com/popsicle&utm_content=globalnav#/shop
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too good 😂
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Thanks. It is getting harder to find a sense of humor around here
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Obviously, you need a cas403 ...stat !
Nita Rae
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | popsicle | | Posted: | Jul 19, 2021 18:07 | | Subject: | Re: Amazing Sales?? | | Viewed: | 86 times | | Topic: | Sales | |
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| In Sales, cosmicray writes:
| | In Sales, popsicle writes:
| | In Sales, Phantom_Buyer writes:
| | In Sales, popsicle writes:
| | In General, BrickSports writes:
| | Almost on a daily basis I see the most incredible Sales in the discussion forum.
20, 30, sometimes even 80% off. Weren't theses prices to high to begin with?
Who are we fooling? Should't we stop this? Would like to hear you thoughts.
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Yeah, I know what you mean, not cool. Though if I could add one more thought:
ConstrucToys is running a fantastic sale on Star Wars minifigs, with some of
the lowest prices found anywhere! (within our zipcode)
https://store.bricklink.com/popsicle&utm_content=globalnav#/shop
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too good 😂
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Thanks. It is getting harder to find a sense of humor around here
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Obviously, you need a cas403 ...stat !
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Surely you jest? Although I appreciate the offer of a fool from you, something
unexpected would be nice too
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| | | | | | | Author: | TheBrickGuys | | Posted: | Jul 18, 2021 21:39 | | Subject: | Re: Amazing Sales?? | | Viewed: | 83 times | | Topic: | Sales | |
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| In Sales, popsicle writes:
| | In General, BrickSports writes:
| | Almost on a daily basis I see the most incredible Sales in the discussion forum.
20, 30, sometimes even 80% off. Weren't theses prices to high to begin with?
Who are we fooling? Should't we stop this? Would like to hear you thoughts.
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Yeah, I know what you mean, not cool. Though if I could add one more thought:
ConstrucToys is running a fantastic sale on Star Wars minifigs, with some of
the lowest prices found anywhere! (within our zipcode)
https://store.bricklink.com/popsicle&utm_content=globalnav#/shop
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That was good! I especially like the "lowest prices found anywhere!" followed
by (in our zipcode)
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | popsicle | | Posted: | Jul 18, 2021 22:04 | | Subject: | Re: Amazing Sales?? | | Viewed: | 78 times | | Topic: | Sales | |
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| In Sales, TheBrickGuys writes:
| | In Sales, popsicle writes:
| | In General, BrickSports writes:
| | Almost on a daily basis I see the most incredible Sales in the discussion forum.
20, 30, sometimes even 80% off. Weren't theses prices to high to begin with?
Who are we fooling? Should't we stop this? Would like to hear you thoughts.
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Yeah, I know what you mean, not cool. Though if I could add one more thought:
ConstrucToys is running a fantastic sale on Star Wars minifigs, with some of
the lowest prices found anywhere! (within our zipcode)
https://store.bricklink.com/popsicle&utm_content=globalnav#/shop
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That was good! I especially like the "lowest prices found anywhere!" followed
by (in our zipcode)
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Well, it is a big zipcode
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| | | | | | | Author: | bahpstore | | Posted: | Jul 18, 2021 23:20 | | Subject: | (Cancelled) | | Viewed: | 44 times | | Topic: | Sales | |
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| | | | | | | Author: | bahpstore | | Posted: | Jul 18, 2021 23:40 | | Subject: | Re: Amazing Sales?? | | Viewed: | 64 times | | Topic: | Sales | |
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| In Sales, popsicle writes:
| | In General, BrickSports writes:
| | Almost on a daily basis I see the most incredible Sales in the discussion forum.
20, 30, sometimes even 80% off. Weren't theses prices to high to begin with?
Who are we fooling? Should't we stop this? Would like to hear you thoughts.
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Yeah, I know what you mean, not cool. Though if I could add one more thought:
ConstrucToys is running a fantastic sale on Star Wars minifigs, with some of
the lowest prices found anywhere! (within our zipcode)
https://store.bricklink.com/popsicle&utm_content=globalnav#/shop
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Nice move
Our sales are discounted from 6 month average when item was listed, some are
out of sync as time goes by. Now they are synced again for true discount.
https://store.bricklink.com/bricklinklp#/shop?o={%22sort%22:8,%22desc%22:1,%22showHomeItems%22:0,%22showNewest%22:1}
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | popsicle | | Posted: | Jul 19, 2021 00:43 | | Subject: | Re: Amazing Sales?? | | Viewed: | 61 times | | Topic: | Sales | |
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| In Sales, bricklinklp writes:
| | In Sales, popsicle writes:
| | In General, BrickSports writes:
| | Almost on a daily basis I see the most incredible Sales in the discussion forum.
20, 30, sometimes even 80% off. Weren't theses prices to high to begin with?
Who are we fooling? Should't we stop this? Would like to hear you thoughts.
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Yeah, I know what you mean, not cool. Though if I could add one more thought:
ConstrucToys is running a fantastic sale on Star Wars minifigs, with some of
the lowest prices found anywhere! (within our zipcode)
https://store.bricklink.com/popsicle&utm_content=globalnav#/shop
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Nice move
Our sales are discounted from 6 month average when item was listed,
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Kinda how I feel, as time goes by
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| | | | | Author: | yorbrick | | Posted: | Jul 18, 2021 19:00 | | Subject: | Re: Amazing Sales?? | | Viewed: | 85 times | | Topic: | General | |
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| In General, BrickSports writes:
| | Almost on a daily basis I see the most incredible Sales in the discussion forum.
20, 30, sometimes even 80% off. Weren't theses prices to high to begin with?
Who are we fooling? Should't we stop this? Would like to hear you thoughts.
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Some sales are genuine but many are not. If someone posts a fake sale multiple
times a week, week after week, there is a simple solution - least favourite the
store and also change your forum settings to ignore the threads started by the
sales forum spammers so you don't have to see them.
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| | | | | Author: | Macaronis | | Posted: | Jul 18, 2021 21:59 | | Subject: | Re: Amazing Sales?? | | Viewed: | 68 times | | Topic: | General | |
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| In General, BrickSports writes:
| | Almost on a daily basis I see the most incredible Sales in the discussion forum.
20, 30, sometimes even 80% off. Weren't theses prices to high to begin with?
Who are we fooling? Should't we stop this? Would like to hear you thoughts.
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to Be Frank I call these Sellers Blockbuster or Used Car Salesmen. Most mark
up 80% higher than claim 50% off for a sale. I don't even bother looking
for sales.. I go straight to my wanted list first lowest price. Never do I see
these Sales come in on the list...
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| | | | | Author: | tons_of_bricks | | Posted: | Jul 19, 2021 07:14 | | Subject: | Re: Amazing Sales?? | | Viewed: | 59 times | | Topic: | General | |
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| In General, BrickSports writes:
| | Almost on a daily basis I see the most incredible Sales in the discussion forum.
20, 30, sometimes even 80% off. Weren't theses prices to high to begin with?
Who are we fooling? Should't we stop this? Would like to hear you thoughts.
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It's a free market. While I don't agree with what they're doing,
it is their choice and freedom to do so. They may suck in a few people, but most
of the bigger buyers are most likely going to see right through them and avoid
them. I'd say in the long run that permanent high "sales" hurt the seller
in the long run.
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| | | | | | | Author: | infinibrix | | Posted: | Jul 19, 2021 07:55 | | Subject: | Re: Amazing Sales?? | | Viewed: | 54 times | | Topic: | General | |
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| In General, firestar246 writes:
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It's a free market. While I don't agree with what they're doing,
it is their choice and freedom to do so.
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and it can still remain a free market where sellers can choose what they price
their items at but this is more about the fact that we allow sellers to utilize
the 'On Sale' feature on an almost permanent basis and without restricition
which I find unhelpful
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of the bigger buyers are most likely going to see right through them and avoid
them. I'd say in the long run that permanent high "sales" hurt the seller
in the long run.
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I agree but it also hurts everyone else too because all these exagerated sale
claims overshadow worthwhile sales meaning decent buying/selling opportunities
get lost in all the noise to the point that nobody actually beleives the word
'SALE' anymore!
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | SylvainLS | | Posted: | Jul 19, 2021 08:47 | | Subject: | Re: Amazing Sales?? | | Viewed: | 51 times | | Topic: | General | |
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| In General, infinibrix writes:
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I agree but it also hurts everyone else too because all these exagerated sale
claims overshadow worthwhile sales meaning decent buying/selling opportunities
get lost in all the noise to the point that nobody actually beleives the word
'SALE' anymore!
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Well, in France, we have laws to differentiate “soldes” (sale) and “promotions”:
— limited in time (two 6 weeks periods in January and July, or when you go out
of business or
change owner…),
— items must have been at the original price for a month (and sold, not hidden
in the stocks),
— only way to sell at a loss.
We also have recent laws to limit “promotions” on some products (food…), e.g.
no more than 34% (or 3rd for free…).
And my feeling is that nobody acually believes in the word “SALE” anymore.
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| | | | | Author: | rab1234 | | Posted: | Jul 19, 2021 10:12 | | Subject: | Re: Amazing Sales?? | | Viewed: | 46 times | | Topic: | General | |
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| Agree with this completely. I sometimes check the sale prices and they're
still higher than 6 month average.
I've never had a sale, I just list around the lowest currently available
and can barely keep up with my orders when I'm open. I can't imagine
"sales" drive that many purchases, although I often do see people excitedly responding
"order placed!" or "checking it out"... Weird.
-Blockbusting Bricks
In General, BrickSports writes:
| | Almost on a daily basis I see the most incredible Sales in the discussion forum.
20, 30, sometimes even 80% off. Weren't theses prices to high to begin with?
Who are we fooling? Should't we stop this? Would like to hear you thoughts.
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| | | | | Author: | Gaston.La.Brick | | Posted: | Jul 19, 2021 16:42 | | Subject: | Re: Amazing Sales?? | | Viewed: | 55 times | | Topic: | General | |
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| | | Who are we fooling? Should't we stop this? Would like to hear you thoughts.
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I have the same feeling.
A suggestion maybe for the forum/community administrators: create a "Sales" channel
in the forum that is not in the "Marketplace" channel. Advertisement and sales
announcements should only be made there, so the "Marketplace" channel becomes
less polluted with those sales messages. Ads shouldn't be allowed anywhere,
except in the designated sales channel.
This still won't fix the "amazing sales" problem, but at least we won't
be confronted with them every 10 minutes. It will help keeping our focus on the
actual interesting forum messages.
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| | | | | | | Author: | SylvainLS | | Posted: | Jul 19, 2021 16:59 | | Subject: | Re: Amazing Sales?? | | Viewed: | 45 times | | Topic: | General | |
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| In General, Gaston.La.Brick writes:
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A suggestion maybe for the forum/community administrators: create a "Sales" channel
in the forum that is not in the "Marketplace" channel. Advertisement and sales
announcements should only be made there, so the "Marketplace" channel becomes
less polluted with those sales messages. […]
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Well, there already is a topic for sales, shrewdly named “Sales.”
And all the sales announcements are already posted in the Sales (or New Stores)
topic(s), or (generally) moved there when they aren’t.
And you can select topics you (don’t) wish to see here: https://www.bricklink.com/messageFilter.asp?viewFrom=P
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | popsicle | | Posted: | Jul 19, 2021 17:00 | | Subject: | Re: Amazing Sales?? | | Viewed: | 42 times | | Topic: | General | |
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| In General, SylvainLS writes:
| | In General, Gaston.La.Brick writes:
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A suggestion maybe for the forum/community administrators: create a "Sales" channel
in the forum that is not in the "Marketplace" channel. Advertisement and sales
announcements should only be made there, so the "Marketplace" channel becomes
less polluted with those sales messages. […]
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Well, there already is a topic for sales, shrewdly named “Sales.”
And all the sales announcements are already posted in the Sales (or New Stores)
topic(s), or (generally) moved there when they aren’t.
And you can select topics you (don’t) wish to see here: https://www.bricklink.com/messageFilter.asp?viewFrom=P
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | edeevo | | Posted: | Jul 19, 2021 17:06 | | Subject: | Re: Amazing Sales?? | | Viewed: | 46 times | | Topic: | General | |
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| In General, SylvainLS writes:
| | In General, Gaston.La.Brick writes:
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A suggestion maybe for the forum/community administrators: create a "Sales" channel
in the forum that is not in the "Marketplace" channel. Advertisement and sales
announcements should only be made there, so the "Marketplace" channel becomes
less polluted with those sales messages. […]
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Well, there already is a topic for sales, shrewdly named “Sales.”
And all the sales announcements are already posted in the Sales (or New Stores)
topic(s), or (generally) moved there when they aren’t.
And you can select topics you (don’t) wish to see here: https://www.bricklink.com/messageFilter.asp?viewFrom=P
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I was a little confused about all the discussions about sales, because I rarely
see any sales posts in the forums... until I saw the above message, checked the
link, and noticed I had selected to hide the "Sales" topic... I don't recall
ever doing that, so it must've been yeeeeeeaaaaars ago (& I'm guessing
the ones I *did* see were posted to a different topic at the time)...
Life is Good.
~Ed.
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | Gaston.La.Brick | | Posted: | Jul 19, 2021 17:07 | | Subject: | Re: Amazing Sales?? | | Viewed: | 53 times | | Topic: | General | |
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Cool! Thanks for pointing this out.
(Shows the UI of BrickLink is up for some improvements thought
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | SylvainLS | | Posted: | Jul 19, 2021 18:08 | | Subject: | Re: Amazing Sales?? | | Viewed: | 63 times | | Topic: | General | |
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| In General, Gaston.La.Brick writes:
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Cool! Thanks for pointing this out.
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Happy to help.
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Oh, I think this one is easy to find: you go to Settings (which you always do
on any website or application ) and then you have only 10 topics…
Well, 13 because there’s three more that are relegated to links at the bottom
and aren’t worth their own icons…
Hem…
Okay, I think I see your point
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Haha
(Srsly: I there would be a link to "My Forum Preferences" from the Forum pages
themself, it would be helpful. I didn't think of going to my overall user
settings and there looking for forum preferences).
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