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 Author: BrickBuy View Messages Posted By BrickBuy
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 Subject: 4 x middle car of Metroliner 4558 set
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Since BL deleted my incomplete set (I listed it as incomplete, but still got
deleted...), here a sales post, as custom items are hard to locate.

For sale, middle car only of the classic metroliner 4558. All original bricks,
100% complete with interior, all original bricks.
I have a total of 4 cars for sale (look under "custom items" in my store, or
search in my store for 4558 or metroliner. Great to expand on an existing set.
 Author: popsicle View Messages Posted By popsicle
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In Sales, BrickBuy writes:
  Since BL deleted my incomplete set (I listed it as incomplete, but still got
deleted...), here a sales post, as custom items are hard to locate.

For sale, middle car only of the classic metroliner 4558. All original bricks,
100% complete with interior, all original bricks.
I have a total of 4 cars for sale (look under "custom items" in my store, or
search in my store for 4558 or metroliner. Great to expand on an existing set.

https://store.bricklink.com/BrickBuy&itemID=251755265
 Author: BrickCompulsion View Messages Posted By BrickCompulsion
 Posted: Jun 9, 2021 13:54
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This post I find interesting - I completely agree with the change for minifigures
that they have to be complete or list the parts separately but I didn't realise
it had affected sets too - have the rules changed for these? i am about to list
a few sets that are pretty much complete apart - take for example the 7710 I
have with box and new instructions but there is an extra item that is a sheet
detailing how to add a motor which is not there so I am a little concerned about
listing this now as incomplete
 Author: rab1234 View Messages Posted By rab1234
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I've never had an incomplete listing removed, but I also don't think
I've ever listed something without the vast majority of the parts. Is there
a written rule somewhere about what constitutes an incomplete set? I know I've
seen plenty of 'middle train car' or 'middle floor of modular'
listings.

-Blockbusting Bricks





In Sales, BrickBuy writes:
  Since BL deleted my incomplete set (I listed it as incomplete, but still got
deleted...), here a sales post, as custom items are hard to locate.

For sale, middle car only of the classic metroliner 4558. All original bricks,
100% complete with interior, all original bricks.
I have a total of 4 cars for sale (look under "custom items" in my store, or
search in my store for 4558 or metroliner. Great to expand on an existing set.
 Author: rab1234 View Messages Posted By rab1234
 Posted: Jun 9, 2021 14:11
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Definitely an interesting topic and I just re-reviewed https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=102


Interesting that according to this definition of used: Complete - Set
contains all parts necessary to build all of the models (including alternate
models) in the instructions but does not have to contain the original box/packaging
and/or extra parts.


You do not need to include all plumes in an old castle set to be considered
complete. I'm sure that I have seen it stated that you do before, but clearly
you do not. I just verified with my instructions for 6085 that smaller plumes
are not ever shown in the instructions.


Also, I didn't realize that for a new set to be considered complete,
it has to have the box. That seems odd to me as it's not required for the
build. I'm sure if someone wanted to be a jerk, they could get 10s of thousands
of items removed from stores.


-Blockbusting Bricks



In Sales, rab1234 writes:
  I've never had an incomplete listing removed, but I also don't think
I've ever listed something without the vast majority of the parts. Is there
a written rule somewhere about what constitutes an incomplete set? I know I've
seen plenty of 'middle train car' or 'middle floor of modular'
listings.

-Blockbusting Bricks





In Sales, BrickBuy writes:
  Since BL deleted my incomplete set (I listed it as incomplete, but still got
deleted...), here a sales post, as custom items are hard to locate.

For sale, middle car only of the classic metroliner 4558. All original bricks,
100% complete with interior, all original bricks.
I have a total of 4 cars for sale (look under "custom items" in my store, or
search in my store for 4558 or metroliner. Great to expand on an existing set.
 Author: Kesleyk View Messages Posted By Kesleyk
 Posted: Jun 9, 2021 14:30
 Subject: Re: 4 x middle car of Metroliner 4558 set
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Interesting observation.

We recently had our listing for twn292a deleted because it was "incomplete".
Our comments indicated that the minifigure torso was an alternate to twn292
as a heads-up to potential buyers that may have intended to buy twn292 instead.
(You may notice that this note is now included in the official database). No
clue how that note could be misinterpreted as indicating the minifigure was incomplete,
but to your point, there are reports being made in error and items getting deleted
without question off of them. It sure would be nice if they were placed in stockroom
rather than dumped, especially when the report itself is the error, but that's
where we find ourselves.

 
Minifig No: twn292a  Name: Carousel Ticket Vendor - Blue Shirt with White Stripes and Red Bow Tie (Printed Back), Dark Blue Legs, Dark Bluish Gray Swept Back Hair, Moustache and Glasses
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twn292a (Inv) Carousel Ticket Vendor - Blue Shirt with White Stripes and Red Bow Tie (Printed Back), Dark Blue Legs, Dark Bluish Gray Swept Back Hair, Moustache and Glasses
Minifigures: Town

In Sales, rab1234 writes:
  Definitely an interesting topic and I just re-reviewed https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=102


Interesting that according to this definition of used: Complete - Set
contains all parts necessary to build all of the models (including alternate
models) in the instructions but does not have to contain the original box/packaging
and/or extra parts.


You do not need to include all plumes in an old castle set to be considered
complete. I'm sure that I have seen it stated that you do before, but clearly
you do not. I just verified with my instructions for 6085 that smaller plumes
are not ever shown in the instructions.


Also, I didn't realize that for a new set to be considered complete,
it has to have the box. That seems odd to me as it's not required for the
build. I'm sure if someone wanted to be a jerk, they could get 10s of thousands
of items removed from stores.


-Blockbusting Bricks



In Sales, rab1234 writes:
  I've never had an incomplete listing removed, but I also don't think
I've ever listed something without the vast majority of the parts. Is there
a written rule somewhere about what constitutes an incomplete set? I know I've
seen plenty of 'middle train car' or 'middle floor of modular'
listings.

-Blockbusting Bricks





In Sales, BrickBuy writes:
  Since BL deleted my incomplete set (I listed it as incomplete, but still got
deleted...), here a sales post, as custom items are hard to locate.

For sale, middle car only of the classic metroliner 4558. All original bricks,
100% complete with interior, all original bricks.
I have a total of 4 cars for sale (look under "custom items" in my store, or
search in my store for 4558 or metroliner. Great to expand on an existing set.
 Author: Tracyd View Messages Posted By Tracyd
 Posted: Jun 9, 2021 14:34
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In Sales, Kesleyk writes:
  Interesting observation.

We recently had our listing for twn292a deleted because it was "incomplete".
Our comments indicated that the minifigure torso was an alternate to twn292
as a heads-up to potential buyers that may have intended to buy twn292 instead.
(You may notice that this note is now included in the official database). No
clue how that note could be misinterpreted as indicating the minifigure was incomplete,
but to your point, there are reports being made in error and items getting deleted
without question off of them. It sure would be nice if they were placed in stockroom
rather than dumped, especially when the report itself is the error, but that's
where we find ourselves.

 
Minifig No: twn292a  Name: Carousel Ticket Vendor - Blue Shirt with White Stripes and Red Bow Tie (Printed Back), Dark Blue Legs, Dark Bluish Gray Swept Back Hair, Moustache and Glasses
* 
twn292a (Inv) Carousel Ticket Vendor - Blue Shirt with White Stripes and Red Bow Tie (Printed Back), Dark Blue Legs, Dark Bluish Gray Swept Back Hair, Moustache and Glasses
Minifigures: Town


Figures cannot be listed as incomplete. Either they are complete per the instructions
or they should be parted out or sold as custom.
 Author: Kesleyk View Messages Posted By Kesleyk
 Posted: Jun 9, 2021 14:44
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Thank you for your assistance. My point is that the minifigure that was removed
for being incomplete was in fact complete per both the instructions and BL inventory,
yet it was removed for being incomplete. This was in response to the potential
of reports made to remove items and in fact experience that those reports can
and are wrong, yet the items are still removed without review.



In Sales, Tracyd writes:
  In Sales, Kesleyk writes:
  Interesting observation.

We recently had our listing for twn292a deleted because it was "incomplete".
Our comments indicated that the minifigure torso was an alternate to twn292
as a heads-up to potential buyers that may have intended to buy twn292 instead.
(You may notice that this note is now included in the official database). No
clue how that note could be misinterpreted as indicating the minifigure was incomplete,
but to your point, there are reports being made in error and items getting deleted
without question off of them. It sure would be nice if they were placed in stockroom
rather than dumped, especially when the report itself is the error, but that's
where we find ourselves.

 
Minifig No: twn292a  Name: Carousel Ticket Vendor - Blue Shirt with White Stripes and Red Bow Tie (Printed Back), Dark Blue Legs, Dark Bluish Gray Swept Back Hair, Moustache and Glasses
* 
twn292a (Inv) Carousel Ticket Vendor - Blue Shirt with White Stripes and Red Bow Tie (Printed Back), Dark Blue Legs, Dark Bluish Gray Swept Back Hair, Moustache and Glasses
Minifigures: Town


Figures cannot be listed as incomplete. Either they are complete per the instructions
or they should be parted out or sold as custom.
 Author: SylvainLS View Messages Posted By SylvainLS
 Posted: Jun 9, 2021 14:52
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In Sales, Kesleyk writes:
  Thank you for your assistance. My point is that the minifigure that was removed
for being incomplete was in fact complete per both the instructions and BL inventory,
yet it was removed for being incomplete. This was in response to the potential
of reports made to remove items and in fact experience that those reports can
and are wrong, yet the items are still removed without review.

Maybe not “without review” but with a “too quick review.”  Saying that the listed
item used an alternate torso would have been enough, even though you were just
explaining the difference between twn292a and twn292.

Not only do some people list incomplete minifigures, that is, with some parts
missing, but some also list minifigures with alternate (and generally cheaper)
parts.  The latter are still considered incomplete but the description says “part
X replaced by Y” or something about “alternate” parts, and not “without part
X” as the former.

IOW, “alternate” is a bad keyword to use in a description.
 Author: Kesleyk View Messages Posted By Kesleyk
 Posted: Jun 9, 2021 15:23
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I am pretty sure we were using "alternate" in line with the definitions spelled
out by BL:

Alternate Items - Parts from the Regular Items section that differ from one production
run of a set to another.

Both twn292 and twn292a were regular items that differ from one production run
of a set to another.

The exact note in our listing of twn292a was "Alternate of twn292; the torso
is different. Unassembled, components bagged together"

While this may have caused confusion to some, twn292a is, exactly and in fact,
an "alternate to twn292" specifically because "the torso is different".

"Alternate" may be a hot-button word for some but is defined by BL and should
not cause deletion unless the item is in fact not listed in accordance with the
instructions or BL inventory, neither of which were indicated in this note.

Still, the point is that listings are in fact being deleted that are in fact
in accordance with BL policy for items that are in fact exactly as described
in the BL inventory.

This was meant to be an extension of the issue brought up by the OP, but should
not have been the main focus of their thread. For this hijack, I apologize.


In Sales, SylvainLS writes:
  In Sales, Kesleyk writes:
  Thank you for your assistance. My point is that the minifigure that was removed
for being incomplete was in fact complete per both the instructions and BL inventory,
yet it was removed for being incomplete. This was in response to the potential
of reports made to remove items and in fact experience that those reports can
and are wrong, yet the items are still removed without review.

Maybe not “without review” but with a “too quick review.”  Saying that the listed
item used an alternate torso would have been enough, even though you were just
explaining the difference between twn292a and twn292.

Not only do some people list incomplete minifigures, that is, with some parts
missing, but some also list minifigures with alternate (and generally cheaper)
parts.  The latter are still considered incomplete but the description says “part
X replaced by Y” or something about “alternate” parts, and not “without part
X” as the former.

IOW, “alternate” is a bad keyword to use in a description.
 Author: SylvainLS View Messages Posted By SylvainLS
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In Sales, Kesleyk writes:
  […]
"Alternate" may be a hot-button word for some but is defined by BL and should
not cause deletion unless the item is in fact not listed in accordance with the
instructions or BL inventory, neither of which were indicated in this note.

But minifigure inventories don’t have an alternate section, so, yes, I believe
it’s really a “hot-button” for a description of a minifigure.

Anyway, reviewers are human, they can miss subtleties.


  Still, the point is that listings are in fact being deleted that are in fact
in accordance with BL policy for items that are in fact exactly as described
in the BL inventory.

I don’t agree:
— OP’s may have been judged not complete enough: I don’t know if there’s a hard
threshold but Russell said a couple of times they have very few exceptions for
incomplete sets with “not enough” parts.
— Yours was badly described.

I think the problem is bad or not enough communication on the reasons for removal.


  This was meant to be an extension of the issue brought up by the OP, but should
not have been the main focus of their thread. For this hijack, I apologize.

Discussions are organic, they evolve
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In Sales, Kesleyk writes:
  Thank you for your assistance. My point is that the minifigure that was removed
for being incomplete was in fact complete per both the instructions and BL inventory,
yet it was removed for being incomplete. This was in response to the potential
of reports made to remove items and in fact experience that those reports can
and are wrong, yet the items are still removed without review.



If you listed it as "incomplete" it was removed because you are not allowed to
list a figure as "incomplete" even if there is an option to do so. If you listed
it as "complete" and described it as incomplete it would be deleted as well.
The removal reasons are form answer which do not always reflect the real reason.

  

In Sales, Tracyd writes:
  In Sales, Kesleyk writes:
  Interesting observation.

We recently had our listing for twn292a deleted because it was "incomplete".
Our comments indicated that the minifigure torso was an alternate to twn292
as a heads-up to potential buyers that may have intended to buy twn292 instead.
(You may notice that this note is now included in the official database). No
clue how that note could be misinterpreted as indicating the minifigure was incomplete,
but to your point, there are reports being made in error and items getting deleted
without question off of them. It sure would be nice if they were placed in stockroom
rather than dumped, especially when the report itself is the error, but that's
where we find ourselves.

 
Minifig No: twn292a  Name: Carousel Ticket Vendor - Blue Shirt with White Stripes and Red Bow Tie (Printed Back), Dark Blue Legs, Dark Bluish Gray Swept Back Hair, Moustache and Glasses
* 
twn292a (Inv) Carousel Ticket Vendor - Blue Shirt with White Stripes and Red Bow Tie (Printed Back), Dark Blue Legs, Dark Bluish Gray Swept Back Hair, Moustache and Glasses
Minifigures: Town


Figures cannot be listed as incomplete. Either they are complete per the instructions
or they should be parted out or sold as custom.
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I have to disagree with how you listed this Kesleyk. The minifigure as a
whole
is an alternate for the set that it was in. There is a separate listing
for each minifigure. You can't claim that the alternate torso makes your
figure the same as the other minifigure. You could however claim that the set
is complete with either minifigure. Maybe it was an honest mistake on your part,
but the appearance is that you tried to list it as the more expensive minifigure
with a description that it was in fact the cheaper minifigure.

-Blockbusting Bricks



In Sales, Kesleyk writes:
  Thank you for your assistance. My point is that the minifigure that was removed
for being incomplete was in fact complete per both the instructions and BL inventory,
yet it was removed for being incomplete. This was in response to the potential
of reports made to remove items and in fact experience that those reports can
and are wrong, yet the items are still removed without review.



In Sales, Tracyd writes:
  In Sales, Kesleyk writes:
  Interesting observation.

We recently had our listing for twn292a deleted because it was "incomplete".
Our comments indicated that the minifigure torso was an alternate to twn292
as a heads-up to potential buyers that may have intended to buy twn292 instead.
(You may notice that this note is now included in the official database). No
clue how that note could be misinterpreted as indicating the minifigure was incomplete,
but to your point, there are reports being made in error and items getting deleted
without question off of them. It sure would be nice if they were placed in stockroom
rather than dumped, especially when the report itself is the error, but that's
where we find ourselves.

 
Minifig No: twn292a  Name: Carousel Ticket Vendor - Blue Shirt with White Stripes and Red Bow Tie (Printed Back), Dark Blue Legs, Dark Bluish Gray Swept Back Hair, Moustache and Glasses
* 
twn292a (Inv) Carousel Ticket Vendor - Blue Shirt with White Stripes and Red Bow Tie (Printed Back), Dark Blue Legs, Dark Bluish Gray Swept Back Hair, Moustache and Glasses
Minifigures: Town


Figures cannot be listed as incomplete. Either they are complete per the instructions
or they should be parted out or sold as custom.
 Author: Kesleyk View Messages Posted By Kesleyk
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I have no idea where your characterization could have come in, but that is not
even close to what I said. We parted out set 10257, which had the alternate
minifigure twn292a included (torso for twn292a, NOT twn292). We listed the complete
minifigure twn292a. The difference between twn292a and its alternate twn292
in set 10257 is the torso. One torso makes that minifigure twn292 (not the one
we had). The other makes it twn292a (the one we had). We never had the torso
to make twn292. We had the torso to make twn292a. So we listed twn292a. We
were trying to indicate that there is a difference between twn292a and twn292,
and that difference is a different torso.

We never listed 10257 in our inventory so your comment about complete/incomplete
set is not applicable.

We never listed an incomplete minifigure, so comments about incomplete minifigures
is not applicable.

We never indicated the minifigure was incomplete, so comments about incomplete
minifigures is not applicable.

We never substituted a different torso trying to sell it as a different minifigure.

It was not, in fact, the cheaper minifigure. In fact, when the minifigure was
first listed in 2019, there was no price difference between the two, and I take
exception to your suggestion that anything done was inappropriate.



In Sales, rab1234 writes:
  I have to disagree with how you listed this Kesleyk. The minifigure as a
whole
is an alternate for the set that it was in. There is a separate listing
for each minifigure. You can't claim that the alternate torso makes your
figure the same as the other minifigure. You could however claim that the set
is complete with either minifigure. Maybe it was an honest mistake on your part,
but the appearance is that you tried to list it as the more expensive minifigure
with a description that it was in fact the cheaper minifigure.

-Blockbusting Bricks



In Sales, Kesleyk writes:
  Thank you for your assistance. My point is that the minifigure that was removed
for being incomplete was in fact complete per both the instructions and BL inventory,
yet it was removed for being incomplete. This was in response to the potential
of reports made to remove items and in fact experience that those reports can
and are wrong, yet the items are still removed without review.



In Sales, Tracyd writes:
  In Sales, Kesleyk writes:
  Interesting observation.

We recently had our listing for twn292a deleted because it was "incomplete".
Our comments indicated that the minifigure torso was an alternate to twn292
as a heads-up to potential buyers that may have intended to buy twn292 instead.
(You may notice that this note is now included in the official database). No
clue how that note could be misinterpreted as indicating the minifigure was incomplete,
but to your point, there are reports being made in error and items getting deleted
without question off of them. It sure would be nice if they were placed in stockroom
rather than dumped, especially when the report itself is the error, but that's
where we find ourselves.

 
Minifig No: twn292a  Name: Carousel Ticket Vendor - Blue Shirt with White Stripes and Red Bow Tie (Printed Back), Dark Blue Legs, Dark Bluish Gray Swept Back Hair, Moustache and Glasses
* 
twn292a (Inv) Carousel Ticket Vendor - Blue Shirt with White Stripes and Red Bow Tie (Printed Back), Dark Blue Legs, Dark Bluish Gray Swept Back Hair, Moustache and Glasses
Minifigures: Town


Figures cannot be listed as incomplete. Either they are complete per the instructions
or they should be parted out or sold as custom.
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Kesleyk,

Yep, I completely misread your post and this is the exact reason your item got
deleted as well. Some well meaning user thought you were trying to be shady
by listing 292 as 292a for more money. I'd recommend not bothering with
the extra explanation and just relist it. The good news is it sounds like the
price has gone up so you were probably pricing it too low.


-Blockbusting Bricks


In Sales, Kesleyk writes:
  I have no idea where your characterization could have come in, but that is not
even close to what I said. We parted out set 10257, which had the alternate
minifigure twn292a included (torso for twn292a, NOT twn292). We listed the complete
minifigure twn292a. The difference between twn292a and its alternate twn292
in set 10257 is the torso. One torso makes that minifigure twn292 (not the one
we had). The other makes it twn292a (the one we had). We never had the torso
to make twn292. We had the torso to make twn292a. So we listed twn292a. We
were trying to indicate that there is a difference between twn292a and twn292,
and that difference is a different torso.

We never listed 10257 in our inventory so your comment about complete/incomplete
set is not applicable.

We never listed an incomplete minifigure, so comments about incomplete minifigures
is not applicable.

We never indicated the minifigure was incomplete, so comments about incomplete
minifigures is not applicable.

We never substituted a different torso trying to sell it as a different minifigure.

It was not, in fact, the cheaper minifigure. In fact, when the minifigure was
first listed in 2019, there was no price difference between the two, and I take
exception to your suggestion that anything done was inappropriate.



In Sales, rab1234 writes:
  I have to disagree with how you listed this Kesleyk. The minifigure as a
whole
is an alternate for the set that it was in. There is a separate listing
for each minifigure. You can't claim that the alternate torso makes your
figure the same as the other minifigure. You could however claim that the set
is complete with either minifigure. Maybe it was an honest mistake on your part,
but the appearance is that you tried to list it as the more expensive minifigure
with a description that it was in fact the cheaper minifigure.

-Blockbusting Bricks



In Sales, Kesleyk writes:
  Thank you for your assistance. My point is that the minifigure that was removed
for being incomplete was in fact complete per both the instructions and BL inventory,
yet it was removed for being incomplete. This was in response to the potential
of reports made to remove items and in fact experience that those reports can
and are wrong, yet the items are still removed without review.



In Sales, Tracyd writes:
  In Sales, Kesleyk writes:
  Interesting observation.

We recently had our listing for twn292a deleted because it was "incomplete".
Our comments indicated that the minifigure torso was an alternate to twn292
as a heads-up to potential buyers that may have intended to buy twn292 instead.
(You may notice that this note is now included in the official database). No
clue how that note could be misinterpreted as indicating the minifigure was incomplete,
but to your point, there are reports being made in error and items getting deleted
without question off of them. It sure would be nice if they were placed in stockroom
rather than dumped, especially when the report itself is the error, but that's
where we find ourselves.

 
Minifig No: twn292a  Name: Carousel Ticket Vendor - Blue Shirt with White Stripes and Red Bow Tie (Printed Back), Dark Blue Legs, Dark Bluish Gray Swept Back Hair, Moustache and Glasses
* 
twn292a (Inv) Carousel Ticket Vendor - Blue Shirt with White Stripes and Red Bow Tie (Printed Back), Dark Blue Legs, Dark Bluish Gray Swept Back Hair, Moustache and Glasses
Minifigures: Town


Figures cannot be listed as incomplete. Either they are complete per the instructions
or they should be parted out or sold as custom.
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I would characterize many of these requests for deletions as coming from competitors
vs well meaning users.

In Sales, rab1234 writes:
  Kesleyk,

Yep, I completely misread your post and this is the exact reason your item got
deleted as well. Some well meaning user thought you were trying to be shady
by listing 292 as 292a for more money.
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Haha. You’re probably right about that. I’ve had a lot of figs deleted that I
listed as incomplete before I knew the rule. The good thing is now that I have
more inventory, I usually have what I was missing so I just relist. 😀. Happened
today in fact.

In Sales, zorbanj writes:
  I would characterize many of these requests for deletions as coming from competitors
vs well meaning users.

In Sales, rab1234 writes:
  Kesleyk,

Yep, I completely misread your post and this is the exact reason your item got
deleted as well. Some well meaning user thought you were trying to be shady
by listing 292 as 292a for more money.
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In Sales, rab1234 writes:
  Haha. You’re probably right about that. I’ve had a lot of figs deleted that I
listed as incomplete before I knew the rule. The good thing is now that I have
more inventory, I usually have what I was missing so I just relist. 😀. Happened
today in fact.

Uhmmm - now that you know the rule, you might want to go over your minifig listings
again. You have several with comments saying there are parts missing...

Niek.
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In Sales, Kesleyk writes:
  
We recently had our listing for twn292a deleted because it was "incomplete".
Our comments indicated that the minifigure torso was an alternate to twn292
as a heads-up to potential buyers that may have intended to buy twn292 instead.
(You may notice that this note is now included in the official database).

If your twn292a was complete as shown in the BL photo it should not have been
deleted. Maybe your description referencing twn292 is what caused the deletion.

  No
clue how that note could be misinterpreted as indicating the minifigure was incomplete,
but to your point, there are reports being made in error and items getting deleted
without question off of them.

Not sure if deletions are made based on reports only or if there is now an algorithm
that also deletes based on key words.

  It sure would be nice if they were placed in stockroom
rather than dumped, especially when the report itself is the error, but that's
where we find ourselves.

 
Minifig No: twn292a  Name: Carousel Ticket Vendor - Blue Shirt with White Stripes and Red Bow Tie (Printed Back), Dark Blue Legs, Dark Bluish Gray Swept Back Hair, Moustache and Glasses
* 
twn292a (Inv) Carousel Ticket Vendor - Blue Shirt with White Stripes and Red Bow Tie (Printed Back), Dark Blue Legs, Dark Bluish Gray Swept Back Hair, Moustache and Glasses
Minifigures: Town

This would be great. I list incomplete minifigs in my stockroom until I complete
them.
I just listed over 50 incomplete minifigs in my stockroom. Forgot to check the
stockroom box on one listing and it was deleted within a few hours.
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  You do not need to include all plumes in an old castle set to be considered
complete. I'm sure that I have seen it stated that you do before, but clearly
you do not. I just verified with my instructions for 6085 that smaller plumes
are not ever shown in the instructions.


I disagree on this, because then the extra plumes should not be listed here on
bricklink as a part of the inventory of the set, but should be listed as extra
parts. IMO a set is complete, when all parts listed in the BL inventory are present,
so as it is now the extra plumes have to be there in order for you to list it
as complete.
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Feel free to disagree, but it is pretty clear that they are not required for
a used set based on Bricklink's definition:
Complete - Set
contains all parts necessary to build all of the models (including alternate
models) in the instructions but does not have to contain the original box/packaging
and/or extra parts.


Only the large plumes are shown in the example I give in the instructions. Smaller
plumes never make an appearance and are thus not required to build the model
and are considered extra parts. I'll still call out that they are not included,
but I will mark any sets as complete according to what Bricklink defines.

-Blockbusting Bricks


In Sales, Ellum writes:
  
  You do not need to include all plumes in an old castle set to be considered
complete. I'm sure that I have seen it stated that you do before, but clearly
you do not. I just verified with my instructions for 6085 that smaller plumes
are not ever shown in the instructions.


I disagree on this, because then the extra plumes should not be listed here on
bricklink as a part of the inventory of the set, but should be listed as extra
parts. IMO a set is complete, when all parts listed in the BL inventory are present,
so as it is now the extra plumes have to be there in order for you to list it
as complete.
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In Sales, rab1234 writes:
  I've never had an incomplete listing removed, but I also don't think
I've ever listed something without the vast majority of the parts. Is there
a written rule somewhere about what constitutes an incomplete set? I know I've
seen plenty of 'middle train car' or 'middle floor of modular'
listings.

-Blockbusting Bricks



Only time I do this is with a photo provided. (for sets)


Of course I've had figs removed that got listed before the rule can into
effect.